PRO

  • PRO

    Instead of measuring themselves against men, women should...

    feminism

    Greetings! Thank you for this debate, this should be fun! In accepting this debate I do not pretend to stand for all of feminism seeing as there are many different sects of the movement. I also do not claim to know everything about feminism. I will use sources from the internet as well as books to support my argument. First, we must define Feminism. There are many different types of feminism. For example: Antiporn feminism, Cultural Feminism, Hip Hop feminism, Lesbian Feminism, Queer feminism, and Radical feminism. The feminism it seems you disagree with is the one that is prevalent in the Pink Hat movement. But my stance will be from the Antiporn and Cultural Feminist movements. These movements advocate the reality: Women are more nurturing, cooperative, and communicative. Instead of measuring themselves against men, women should make their own activities more visible and valued. Want to do away with the dehumanization of women in pornography You say that feminism has "gone too far," but before we can continue, give me more to chew on.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/feminism/29/
  • PRO

    Feminism is the ACT of Advocating (though perhaps...

    Feminism.

    Feminism Has NO gender. I am a Man And I am A Feminist. Feminism by definition stands up for all my perspectives, ambitions, desires and behaviours. Feminism is the ACT of Advocating (though perhaps passively in some circumstances) against Woman Abuse, and EVERYTHING which leads to women being slandered - Including False propaganda of Feminism by SLuts who enable womanizers and glorify perverts such as homosexuality. { It is not an act of feminism to defend a slut who enabled an adulterous man. That WOULD be counter productive. } I am Pro Feminism, that is why I accepted this debate. And Feminism has no gender, Nor Negative attributes.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism./1/
  • PRO

    If Con cannot, then this debate must concede that...

    Feminism

    Con stated that that the Merriam-Webster dictionary is unreliable because it is biased. Con's reasoning for this was that the dictionary was made in "liberal" Massachusetts. Con has provided no evidence to support that it is made in Massachusetts, or how the location of the dictionary company proves that it is unreliable. Until Con proves this connection, my definition of Feminism still stands. Yet I will make it even more difficult for Con. Here are many more authoritative definitions of Feminism: Oxford Dictionary - "The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of equality of the sexes" [3] Cambridge Dictionary - "The belief that women should be allowed the same rights, power, and opportunities as men" [4] Macmillan Dictionary - "The belief that women should have the same rights and opportunities as men" [5] Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English - "The belief that women should have the same rights and opportunities as men" [6] Collins English Dictionary - "A doctrine or movement that advocates equal rights for women" [7] Dictionary.com - "The doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men" [8] For Con to prove that the definition of Feminism is not about equality, Con must prove that each and every one of the dictionaries above is an unreliable source. If Con cannot, then this debate must concede that Feminism is about equality between men and women by definition. I suggest an alternative viewpoint: A) Feminism is about the equality between men and women, as defined in all the sources above. B) Anyone seeking to gain more than equality is not practicing Feminism (as per the definition) C) There are people who falsely use the Feminism banner to attempt to gain more than equality D) Those who falsely use the Feminism banner should be condemned E) True Feminism (gender equality) is an ideal and should be supported As I mentioned in Round 2, I support equality between men and women. Therefore, I am for Feminism. Con has stated that Con is an "equalist" and is "for the rights of men AND women". Therefore, like me, Con is for Feminism as defined in the dictionaries. 3. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com... 4. http://dictionary.cambridge.org... 5. http://www.macmillandictionary.com... 6. http://www.ldoceonline.com... 7. http://www.collinsdictionary.com... 8. http://www.dictionary.com...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/21/
  • PRO

    without giving any evidence to back the claim that words...

    Feminism

    Con has argued dictionaries do not authoritatively define words, but has given no proof of this. Con's presented only one argument in this entire debate "Since 'masculinism' is male supremacy, then feminism is female supremacy." without giving any evidence to back the claim that words with similar roots cannot have different meanings. Furthermore, Con didn't provide any source of definition for Masculinism, so Con's argument is not sound. --- I have offered six authoritative sources stating that Feminism is the movement for equality between men and women. I am for equality between men and women. I am for Feminism. According to Con, Con is an "equalist" and is "for the rights of men AND women". Therefore, Con is also for Feminism. The statement of debate is "Feminism". I have proven I am Pro. I have proven Con is not Con.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/21/
  • PRO

    Feminism is definitely something that there needs to be...

    Feminism

    Feminism is definitely something that there needs to be more of in the world. Feminists just want to have equal rights, not overpower men. People who say they are feminists but say women are better than men are not feminists. I believe that it is because of these people that so many people do not like feminism. Feminism is about equality, nothing else.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/12/
  • PRO

    You claim that feminism encourages false rape accusations...

    Feminism

    You claim that feminism encourages false rape accusations and stereotyping men as bad. Um... No, that's not what feminism is at all. Feminism is the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men[1]". Now, you admit that this is something you are for, so I guess you have problems with how feminists go about this? Really, I think your entire argument stems from a complete misunderstanding of the movement. So, what is feminism? This is a difficult question because, much like religion, feminism is different for each feminist. The mission statement of the movement is equal rights between the sexes, which you agree is good. By this definition, you are a feminist. If you could indicate how you aren't a feminist, that'd be appreciated. Maybe you disagree that there is a systematic discrimination against women, the patriarchy. Is there a patriarchy? Well, as it commonly seems to be the case, I must define "the patriarchy". Basically, it means a system where men are valued over women[2]. This can be shown in the wage gap[3], rape culture[4] (though men can be victims of rape, rape culture usually targets women), and gender roles[5]. Rebuttals: What you are saying here is very dangerous. Stating that feminism promotes false rape accusations is an example of rape culture. 60% of victims report abuse, and 97% of abusers will not see jail[6]. Only 1.5-8% of rape reports are fake[7], so Puh-LEASE do not try and say that considerable amount of rape reports are fake and that we should cast doubt on those few that come forward. If we are going of the definition of feminism I stated earlier, then feminists aren't trying to put men as stereotypically bad. We are trying to make men and women equal. If you think that trying to remove the bias towards men is trying to say they are bad, then I am going to have to ask you go to timeout because that idea is downright childish. In the end there you say something about "calling the police about something ridiculous is obscure". I think you mean absurd, but if you didn't then I'm not sure what that would mean. If it is obscure, then false rape accusations don't happen often and thus shouldn't be a problem. If you meant absurd, then I would agree that false rape accusations are deplorable, but again I would say that "false rape reports" is not a tenant of feminism nor is it a likely to occur.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/5/
  • PRO

    Many women are against feminism because they like the...

    Feminism

    Many women are against feminism because they like the traditional roles of women, like cooking, cleaning, taking care of the kids. Feminism is not about demolishing that idea, it is about opening up new opportunities for women, and men.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/12/
  • PRO

    I accept this debate and will be presenting my case for...

    Feminism

    I accept this debate and will be presenting my case for why Feminism is necessary in modern society. I would ask my opponent to clarify if they mean American society, or somewhere else. and to clearly show to me what they believe feminism to be. good luck

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/14/
  • PRO

    There were no parameters set for this debate in terms of...

    Feminism

    As per the rules of the debate as set by my opponent, this will be my final argument. Since my opponent has failed to formulate a response, I see little need to elaborate much on my previous post. I will merely offer a brief summary of my arguments and this debate as a whole. My opponent claims that feminism is an incorrect argument. While I don't consider feminism an argument, I accepted the debate under these terms so I will argue as such. My opponent has offered nothing but an unsupported opinion regarding what he believes is feminism; a term of which he seems to lack a full understanding. There were no parameters set for this debate in terms of a place in which we were arguing, yet my opponent seems to have focused his argument purely on feminism in the United States. In fact, he basically concedes the debate by stating "in 1st world countries such as the USA, there should be no such thing as a feminist. The same can not be said for 3rd world countries, where women rights have not been established and women often have to be near a man to go anywhere in the city." Had we focused this debate on USA or first world countries alone, that statement would not be considered a concession, but the fact that we did not specify those terms shows that my opponent agrees that feminism is at least necessary in some places. Now let's ignore the fact that Con conceded the debate already and pretend we were just addressing first world countries. Con offers no sources to show that equality now fully exists, nor does he provide and decent explanation as to why feminism should disappear once success has been found. The fact of the matter is, inequality between the sexes still exists, as I showed in my previous round, and even once equality is reached here, feminism will still be important to help maintain that equality and to help spread the ideology throughout the countries where help is needed. Finally, if my arguments and sources are not enough to convince the reader, the fact that Con has only provided one poorly written paragraph backed by no sources, merely opinions, followed by a forfeited round, should be enough to win me this debate. I would like to thank the readers for taking the time to read this debate.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/3/
  • PRO

    But since I was confused, I am taking back the first...

    feminism

    Yes certainly. But friend, simply giving your opinion on a topic isn't how you start or maintain a debate. You have to make a claim (or take a stance) on the issue and then give evidence and examples to back up that claim. In my last post, I was just explaining two types of feminism and their views. But since I was confused, I am taking back the first stance I made and am taking the side of Radical feminism (the movement that does these things you mentioned such as "main spreading" and "hepeating"). Radical feminism is a movement whose main focus and objective is to challenge oppressive systems within society. This is incredibly important, as this revolutionary idea is what the United States government is based upon. We may have a system of checks and balances in government, but having one in society (such as this sect of Feminism) in order to keep certain people groups from having too much power is equally important, even if it may be annoying at times.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/feminism/29/

CON

  • CON

    A controversial social media movement called Women...

    Feminism

    Do American women still need feminism? A controversial social media movement called Women Against Feminism features women explaining " mostly in "selfies" with handwritten signs " why they do not. Feminist responses have ranged from bafflement to vitriol or mockery to arguments that these women don"t know what feminism is. But while this new movement has its silly aspects, it raises some much-needed questions about feminism"s present and future state " and, in the weeks since it first attracted notice, many prominent feminists have helped validate some of the criticisms.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/12/
  • CON

    They are highly capable of taking care of themselves, but...

    Feminism

    Women don't need feminism. They are highly capable of taking care of themselves, but you know who does? Women who get splashed in the face with acid because they want education. Woman who are mistreated and not respected. Women do not need modern Feminism. They do want equality just as men, but feminism is more just than opportunities. It is about equality or more likely dominating men.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/12/
  • CON

    Feminism says they want the equality but the definition...

    Feminism

    Feminism says they want the equality but the definition of the Feminism doesn't say anything about promoting men's rights so it basically assumes men are not oppressed so it's unnecessary to promote the men's rights. but this is completely a myth because men are oppressed all the time from every single way. so modern Feminism is not about equality it's about Female Supremacy to suppress to dominant over men.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/12/
  • CON

    One might assume that Women Against Feminism is a...

    Feminism

    One might assume that Women Against Feminism is a traditionalist backlash against gender equality. Yet many of the women say they reject feminism precisely because they are pro-equality. A blogger who goes by AstrokidNJ has analyzed a week"s worth of posts on Women Against Feminism and found that 46 percent were egalitarian, 19 percent endorsed men"s issues, and 12 percent criticized feminist intolerance toward dissent. Only 23 percent reflected traditionalist views such as support for distinct sex roles, chivalry, or full-time motherhood.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/12/
  • CON

    First round for clarification of position and acceptance....

    Feminism

    I will argue against the concept of Feminism in all its forms. First round for clarification of position and acceptance. Feminism: "an organized effort to give women the same economic, Social, And political rights as men" - Cambridge Dictionary.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/34/
  • CON

    I agree with you that feminism is need in countries where...

    Feminism

    I agree with you that feminism is need in countries where women are oppressed and have little rights, but you must consider the conditions of the countries economy and social interaction because such a movement where they say one day "Women now have the ability of free will under no circumstances can there husbands control what they do." This could start massive revolts that would massacre women and could cause a rebellion against these weak 3rd world countries. Before feminism even comes to these countries, slow progressive changes must be made to deal with each conflict differently. You are very correct that feminism if no longer needed in 1st world countries like the US, but first democracy and peace must reach these areas. Much of these middle eastern countries make these laws due to Islamic influence, as Muslims believe that a woman must cover herself and listen to her husband. What these countries misinterpreted is how Islam doesn't state that husbands have complete control over their wives. Maybe a large religious event where a powerful person gives a touching speech talking about the word of Allah and how his true vision of an Islamic society would be that warms the hearts of Islamic country leaders and somehow influences them to establish laws that establish if not democratic rights or laws, feminism in the country.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/20/
  • CON

    My opponent has implied that it is the fault of men today...

    Feminism

    Thank you for the response, especially since you had a bad internet connection. Let me refute your points. First off, I reject your definition of feminism. I think feminism was the belief that men and women should be equal, but I proved that this is no longer the case in third wave feminism. I also reject your premise, because I stated in my first argument that MODERN feminism is harmful. My opponent has implied that it is the fault of men today that women weren't allowed to vote in some states until 1919. It was wrong that this happened, but taking revenge on men won't solve anything. In fact, it will cause embitterment between both sexes. Your first argument is invalid, because I never said that men and women weren't intellectually equal (although they generally don't have as much physical strength as men do, which I will provide the proof for below). And again, you can't blame the phrasing of the Declaration of Independence on men born two centuries after it was created. I don't think you have won this debate. Maybe I am wrong though. Maybe you can prove yourself in the second round. Good luck http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... (source for men's vs. women's strength)

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/7/
  • CON

    It does have a gender or at least a gender it is biased...

    Feminism.

    The main topic I want to cover here is that people say feminism has no gender. It does have a gender or at least a gender it is biased toward. The word itself FEMINism has feminine or femal as the root word. I say that if you really wanted equal rights, you would be supporting egalitarianism or the promotion of equal rights of all people.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism./1/
  • CON

    Feminism is a threat to society. Feminism encourages...

    Feminism

    Feminism is a threat to society. Feminism encourages false rape accusations and stereotyping men as bad. I'm not saying that women don't have the same rights as men. I'm saying threatening to call the police for something ridiculous is completely obscure. I didn't know who to debate so I just put a random name lol

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/5/
  • CON

    Many feminists also like to say that MRAs (Men's Rights...

    Feminism

    Hi everyone I'm Ilan and I am not a feminist. Immediately alarm bells may be ringing in your mind that maybe this guy is a "sexist" or "a rape apologist" or anything of the such so just to clarify I am none of these things. I firmly believe that in the idea that everyone should be equal no if ands and or buts. And now you might be thinking why is this guy not a feminist then? Well, the answer to that question is that feminism does not have a monopoly on equality; if you believe in equality you are not automatically a feminist as many feminists like to state. I am in fact an egalitarian. The difference between the two is that feminism is merely about getting equality for women whereas egalitarianism is equality for absolutely everybody. The dictionary definition of egalitarian is "believing in or based on the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities." and that for feminism is "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.". Now that we have established some ground I can really start to get into why I am not a feminist. First of all, I am a man. And I am not trying to say that men cannot be feminists, be whatever the hell that you want, but as a man, I feel that I should campaign for my sex and as we have already established feminism is not about gaining equality for all but helping just Women to achieve equality. Even feminists that say that men and other groups are included in feminist issues still do not really campaign for our problems. One major issue that men face is prostate cancer. Prostate cancer kills just as many people as breast cancer does but receives merely half the funding towards research and cures. I have never in my life met a feminist that has agreed with the statement "Prostate cancer is a feminist issue" because quite frankly it is not. Many feminists also like to say that MRAs (Men's Rights Activists) are the ones that should be campaigning for male problems but if it really is for everyone then why does feminism not cover everybody's problems. Here I have merely scratched the surface of male problems that feminism does not address such as the fact that 4 times more men commit suicide than women or that 70% of homeless people are estimated to be men or the significantly less jail time for female rapists than men. I could go on but I want to hear what everyone else has to say about this! I thank you for hearing out what I had to say if you made it this far and hope you all have a wonderful day. Ilan

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/26/