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  • PRO

    These sources said stuff like 'I can produce offspring....

    Is feminism necessary.

    First of all, you compared feminism and communism, two completely different ideologies, saying that 'the same thing is happening with feminism' as communism. I would like to point out that in feminism no one is getting 'oppressed' or 'murdered' for not agreeing, the thing that is happening is woman's rights are being attained. For example, as you mentioned, the fight for the vote in the 19th and 20th century, getting rid of legal inequalities in the 1960s and getting rid of stereotypes till this very day. You also argued that women are actually more privileged than men, using several opinionated sources. These sources said stuff like 'I can produce offspring. A status which grants me an “essential” status in our species that men can never have and which can never be taken away from me even in old age.' This is a load of rubbish, I mean, it takes two people to make a baby, hence the male and female are both 'essential'. Also, I would like to point out that the vast majority of woman are paid less than men in the same job, some employers won't hire women in case they become pregnant and have to take maternity leave and there are still a large range of stereotypes against women. These are really important problems that need to be sorted out. Lastly, you said at the start you don't think Also, I would like to point out that the vast majority of woman are paid less than men in the same job, some employers won't hire women in case they become pregnant and have to take maternity leave and there are still a large range of stereotypes against women. These are really important problems that need to be sorted out. Lastly, you said at the start you don't think feminism is necessary. But I implore you to think, without feminism we might not have the vote or some of the other things we see as so normal today. Think, What would the world be like? 1) http://amptoons.com... 2) https://human.parts...

  • PRO

    I would just like to give a definition of feminism and I...

    Is feminism necessary.

    I would just like to give a definition of feminism and I will make my case in the next four rounds. Feminism is "The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes", I am interested to find out why you think it's 'outdated' and not 'necessary'. 1)http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...

  • PRO

    But on the other hand, I cannot deny that there are...

    Feminism is for equality

    Hi. I will be arguing that feminism is way past the point of equality. Now don't get me wrong. I believe both men and women deserve equal rights and oppertunities in this world, but I think feminism has gone a little bit too far nowadays. I think the some extreme radical femisists are no longer aiming for equality. They are aiming to eradicate all forms of male power and put women on top which is total hypocrisy. If you're fighting for equality, you would fight to say that men are permitted to keep their power in government and in the workforce as well as women. But on the other hand, I cannot deny that there are feminists who actually do fight for equality. I am not attacking all feminists because I know there are some well meaning ones out there and I appreciate that they are trying to battle the inequalities women AND men nowadays. But I just don't think there is any need for feminism anymore. It started back when women had very little working rights and were only seen as housewives and mothers and obviously they wanted more than just that. But nowadays, women have the choice to stay at home or work. What need is there for I am not attacking all feminists because I know there are some well meaning ones out there and I appreciate that they are trying to battle the inequalities women AND men nowadays. But I just don't think there is any need for feminism anymore. It started back when women had very little working rights and were only seen as housewives and mothers and obviously they wanted more than just that. But nowadays, women have the choice to stay at home or work. What need is there for feminism? The point is that feminism has gone past the point of acheiving equal rights for men and women. It is now about obtaining female supremacy over men which is totally wrong just as male supremacy over women is totally wrong. We need an egalitarian society- not a matriarchal nor partriarchal!

  • PRO

    Why not help it all? ... A pleasure debating you, by the...

    Humanism > Feminism

    Excellent, thank you for accepting the debate. I agree with your definitions. Humanism is a social construct. It was crafted during the Renaissance as a social construct, a new one made following the medieval ages by the people post dark ages. Humanism only has its meaning because we gave it its meaning just like Feminism was given its meaning. Well, no, I don't believe that Feminism is the belief that women should dominate men. I agree with your definition of it absolutely. By the way, if the reader would like to know, I usually discuss paragraph by paragraph of the opponent, so that is how you can know the pattern. Nice and simple. Yes it was. There is a lot of debates out there as to this. I personally sit on the fence about this issue, and, as a humanist, I always say "Well hey, Humanism addresses the issues of both men and women economically. Why focus on one when we can focus on all groups plights? Females aren't the only discriminated ones, each and every group of people has their own discrimination they face. Why not help it all? Women aren't the only ones who are prejudiced against." Now this is an issue I kind of don't sit on the fence about. Yes, it is a stereotype of females that is and isn't followed depending on each individual person. But, for example, men are expected to be strong, emotionless, logical, physically competent, large, handsome and confident. African Americans are expected to be tall, athletic, ghetto, aggressive. Americans are seen as fat, lazy, prideful, greedy, stupid, always partying and being crude. Russians are seen as always drinking whiskey. You see, every group faces their own prejudices. A man that decides to wear more feminine articles of clothing is considered a tom-girl and thus un-masculine. Men have been essentially placed into a box of expectations- You see where I am getting at. You may think this doesn't have much to do with the debate, but it shows how it in fact is. I am saying that each and every group faces their own prejudices. Feminism covers one group. Humanism covers them all. Equality for all. By the way, I open doors for men and women equally. Does that make me a misogynist and a sexist at the same time? I feel it is rather tedious to use the same argument as my last paragraph, but men are met with similar expectations. You probably know the examples I am going to give out, the exact opposite of yours, so I won't much bother. In fact, as I read through this I believe you fail to acknowledge that men are met with several of their own expectations in regards to sexual activities. If you want examples feel free to ask. I agree that feminism is not women hating on men and trying to be dominant, I agree fully with your definition. The thing is, I believe that Humanism is simply better then Feminism. Also, may I mention that individuals still make up part of it. It may be a tumor to feminism metaphorically to you. So, if that is the case, then I would suggest then "Feminism as a whole" go and attempt to have some internal debates as well. Extreme feminists, as I mentioned seem to have no one objecting to their words within the system of Feminism. Also, have you ever met an extremist humanist? I sure haven't. A pleasure debating you, by the way,

  • PRO

    Here are some examples http://www.forbes.com.........

    Feminism is cancer

    Hello there, today I will be telling you why Feminism is cancer. -Most of the people who are involved in feminism, are feminazi. Meaning that they want superiority over men rather than equality. The amount of feminazis there are VASTLY outnumber the amount of actual feminist there are. Besides, in america and all other decent countries that are civilized, there is not much to be done about equality between the two because for the most part, everything is equal between men and women. Other in the middle east women getting stoned to death because of genital mutilation. Now that's a SERIOUS issue. But, it hardly seems like the "feminist" actually care about it. - I also just wanted to clarify that I'm not saying that all feminist are horrible. I'm just saying that there are a lot of feminist who are. -I would also like to suggest one thing to the con, maybe instead of feminism, we do egalitarianism. Egalitarianism is supporting that EVERYONE is equal and deserves the same rights. But feminism only includes men and women. This means you can have a racist feminist but you can't have a sexist egalitarian. Also there is no loophole that can actually make egalitarianism bad like feminism. - One thing I'm predicting that the con may bring up is the gender pay gap. But this has been proven false on many occasions. Here are some examples http://www.forbes.com...... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com...... - I would also like to add( if it hasn't already been added) is that if woman have been getting payed less than men, than wouldn't the companies that were doing this get sued because of the equal pay act passed on in 1963? -There are a lot of feminist who complain about a lot of things about somehow being sexist. In this video that I'm about to show you, we're going to have a feminist who is complaining about why toys are sexist. Here's the link. https://www.youtube.com...... Ok so here are some of the points this person is trying to make in the video -She's complaining on how whenever she goes to the girls section, there's all of these pink everywhere and a bunch of barbies and dolls. But whenever she goes to the boy section, there a bunch of monster trucks, cars, and action figures. She's saying that she hates the "girly" thinks and that the world is telling girls that you have to like this and boys you have to like that. Well first of all, the reason that there is so much pink and so many dolls is that because the majority of girls like those. People wouldn't be selling stuff that they don't like. Same with the boys, the majority of boys like those cars and monster trucks. But there are some boys who like dolls and there are some girls who like cars. I understand that. Some of my best friends who are boys like the color pink and some of my girl best friends like to play sports and video games. -Another thing feminist might want to complain about is how woman receive so much abuse and pain from men. When actually, it's the men that receive more abuse. Statistics show that other than rape, men have a higher chance of being affected by any other crime. http://nortonbooks.typepad.com...... - Imagine a very amazing, nicely polished, expensive, and large house. That house can represent old feminism. Now imagine that same house but with a HUGE amount of termites in it. Those termites represent the average feminist. Now imagine pest control, those are the good feminist. The pest control is trying to save the house, both it can't. The termites are to strong. There's no saving the house. The house now looks very worn down and ugly. That's modern feminism. There are too many radical feminist to be able to restore feminism to want it once was. That's why, in the end, it's better to just burn the house. Well, that's all I have for now.

  • PRO

    All people are to be paid the same amount if they are of...

    Feminism: Positive or Negative

    Thank you for submitting your Round 3 arguments. Rebuttals CON's objection to my Maxim is hardly an objection at all. Simply finding something worth ignoring does not mean it should be ignored, especially considering no official alternative has been offered. That is to say, that CON has not provided us with a relevant maxim by which to decide who's points are stronger. Simply because men and women are currently equal in most places does not then mean the Maxim is worth ignoring. Perhaps there is some other Maxim that could have been offered. However, my definitions stand. As such, when casting your vote, do pay attention to how the arguments are made as relates to the Maxim provided. CON then begins addressing my point regarding his conflation of a group of people with the ideology/philosophy that they adhere to. The reasoning CON offers for believing that feminism is negative is fallacious. This is similar to arguing that since there have been bad Christians (for example, those of the Spanish Inquisition or the Westboro Baptist church) that therefore Christianity is negative, that is, has a negative effect on society due to failure to achieve a certain maxim. Simply because there are some people who are bad within a group does not then mean the entire group is bad. While I will not assert that feminism is detached from its adherents, it seems, to me, quite absurd to look at only one specific subset of a group to render a decision. "Feminism" is the "advocacy of women's rights on the ground of equality of the sexes". That means that we must look at those circumstances wherein this advocacy takes place. CON's points in regards to the supposed Wage Gap are of very little strength. There was a time when it was determined that an Act must be passed for the achievement of the Maxim. The Equal Pay Act of 1963 (EPA-63) was meant to ensure that no one was paid unfairly based on race or gender [1]. The EPA-63 is still in effect. Whether or not the Act was necessary (as it can be argued it wasn't), the maxim is still being acheived. All people are to be paid the same amount if they are of the same labor value. That is to say, that if a man and woman have the same level of experience, education, and dedication, their income should be equal, provided they are under the same employee for the same length of time. CON, once again, attempts to ease the burden of proof that must be satisfied. The resolution states "Feminism: positive or negative" not "Radical Feminism: positive or negative". This is, again, related to the Fallacy of Composition. Even if radical feminism is negative, this is one sect of feminism. This is an invalid argument. It can be summarized as follows: Radical feminism is a part of feminism as a whole. Radical feminism is bad (assumption). Therefore, Feminism as a whole is bad. Even if it were summarized as a Modus Ponens: If radical feminism is bad, then feminism as a whole is bad. Radical feminism is bad (assumption). Therefore, feminism as a whole is bad. The conclusion could still be false, given new information, thus making the argument unsound, and removing the warrant it would provide. For example, the fact that "feminism" is the name given to the actions that lead to women being able to vote, getting paid as they should, being able to sue and be sued, being able to own property, and having their own legal identities. These facts demand a reconsideration of reasons to believe feminism is negative. CON did not address any of these points. They still stand. Conclusion As stated earlier, my definitions stand unchallenged. The Maxim also stands unchallenged. As such, they are the official guidelines for voting on this debate. My argument goes as follows: 1. X is positive if and only if X benefits society such that if X were not in effect/existence/practice, there would be some maxim that is not achieved. (definition offered in R1) 2. The Maxim is "All people, regardless of gender, race, age, sexuality, should be held equal under law". 3. If feminism were not practiced, women would not be legally equal to men (supported by arguments from EPA-63 and Coverture and definition). 4. From 4, without feminism, the Maxim cannot be attained. C. From 1 and 5, feminism is positive. While I agree with some of CON's commentary on the modern iteration of feminism, this does not count as an affirmation of the CON resolution. Feminists are not feminism, articles are not advocacy, and radical feminism is not the entirety of the feminist movement. There are somethings that have been done in the feminist movement that, were they mentioned, would affirm the CON resolution. However, these things were not mentioned. I have provided sufficient warrant for my position. The summary above is what was intended to be taken away from my arguments. I look for to the votes and any feedback that is offered. Thank you for an exciting debate and good luck in the future. [1] http://www.eeoc.gov...

  • PRO

    There are many ways a women can not get a job because a...

    Feminism

    I believe feminism is a real thing. The wage gap is a real thing too. There are many ways a women can not get a job because a man was also applying. If there was a woman and a man applying to become an astronaut, they'd most likely choose the man. That's only because people don't think that women should have that type of job. They think we should do more of the delicate careers.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/23/
  • PRO

    In this debate, I will be defining feminism as a...

    Feminism is relevant

    In this debate, I will be defining feminism as a philosophy/ideology/belief that believes that women should be liberated from their specific faced prejudices and social injustices to therefore become equal to the folks who are not facing such prejudices and social injustices. Note that this debate is about feminism in itself, not the modern feminist movement. I look forward to hearing your arguments.

  • PRO

    In this debate I will be arguing that feminism is morally...

    Feminism is good for society as a whole.

    In this debate I will be arguing that feminism is morally good for society as a whole. Also I will be arguing that feminism modern feminism is not a bad idea.

  • PRO

    However, the current 'feminism' movement across the...

    Feminism in America (in 2017)

    By definition feminism is: "the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes." So in other words, feminism is believing women should have equal rights as men. To this definition, I agree wholeheartedly. Men and women should have equal rights (to an extent - maternity leave etc). However, the current 'feminism' movement across the western world (or at least NA) doesn't follow the true meaning of the word. Modern 'feminists' are mostly SJWs trying to raise women above, and to push down men. Most women polled across the states don't even label themselves as feminists anymore because of these radical 'feminists'. These 'feminists' constantly attack men, get triggered by things trivial and are unable to see where rights are balanced. I disagree with you that true feminism isn't needed anymore in the US, for there are still a few instances where women are at a disadvantage to men. The pay gap is a myth, yet there is still sexism, and sexual harassment of women: which I do NOT support. In these ways feminism is still needed. In summary: I am completely for true feminism, but I think the 'feminism' movement right now is toxic and detrimental to society.

CON

  • CON

    thank you for your challenge Feminism is a supermachist...

    Feminism is relevant

    thank you for your challenge Feminism is a supermachist movement as its name implies since otherwise it would be known as "equalism" feminists of all eras want power not equality. therefore feminism belongs on the same category as aryanism

  • CON

    I am excited to be in my very first online debate and to...

    Feminism is wrong

    I am excited to be in my very first online debate and to challenge those with differing views Before I begin, just want to inform you that I am NOT a feminist. In fact, I'm not a fan of most forms of modern feminism at all. I think modern feminism has got a bit too far so I do agree with you that modern feminism is aiming to raise women up and push men down and I do think that is very wrong. But I do believe in equality. By equality I mean women AND men should have equal rights and opportunities. I don't know what you are for. Are you for male domination or equality? What is your clear reason for not liking feminism? is it because you don't want women having equal rights (misogyny) or that you think that feminists are not concerned about men? When you answer this question. The debate will officially begin! thank you!

  • CON

    It is a minor detail, but seeing as the vast majority of...

    Feminism is not equality

    To begin with, the vast substance of my opponent's text does not address my points at all, in fact it seems to not even acknowledge the existence of my side of the debate, instead following a narrative of women having more rights than men. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I have opinions on this, but they are hardly pertinent, as the premise of the debate is the definition of feminism(Feminism is not equality), not that women or men are treated better or worse than each other in modern society. There is an explanation as to why Pro's argument only lightly skirts mine at the beginning and end, and not at all in the core of it. This is a bit embarrassing for me, but here it is: http://thoughtcatalog.com... Youngastronomer's entire dissertation from "1) Women have the right to genital integrity..." to "...And maybe you do, too." is taken verbatim from this article, written by Janet Bloomfield. It is certainly not standard conduct in a debate to have one side call upon a third party to come and argue their case for them. It is a minor detail, but seeing as the vast majority of my opponents response was written by someone else, I feel that this occurrence merits notice. I have explained in the first paragraph why the aforementioned text does not refute my arguments, and the same rebuttal there applies to the points of "Women can accuse men of rape without evidence" and "Guilty until proven innocent", namely the fact that we aren't discussing the current conditions of sexual-based institutional biases. My opponent also raises the etymology of the word "feminism", positing that if you are going to adhere to the narrow dictionary definition of feminism, why not take it a step further and and use the origin of the word. He also claims that feminists " shy away from analyzing what a root word and a suffix add up to", implying that that analysis will contest with the views on feminism I have purveyed. This is not at all the case. The word feminine means "of the female sex...", "feminine, female; with feminine qualities, effeminate"{1}, and the suffix -ism means "word-forming element making nouns implying a practice, system, doctrine, etc."{2}. To summarize, the most literally meaning would be, "the practice of being feminine". Actually, when the word was coined(c. 1851){3}, this literal interpretation would have been more insulting to women, as at the time traits valued in woman were things now seen as negative characteristics, such as complacency and servility. In conclusion the etymology of the word provides no support for Pro's case of feminism meaning superiority of women. Finally, this debate is a contest of semantics. Semantics are a sub-field of semiotics, or the study of symbols. Semantics is specifically the study of words(symbols) and meanings. Words are symbols, and they connote meanings. When I say "chair", you can interpret that symbol and think of a chair. This basic principle is what I outlined in my previous syllogism, a principle that was never even contested by my opponent. Here is an example to reiterate. Currently 10% of Protestant "Christians" in America don't believe in God{4}. Let's imagine this number rose to 51%. Would we now say that Christians are people who don't believe in God? Of course not, because the meaning of someone who believes in Yah'Weh and Christ being Christian has seniority over this new "Definition". That meaning has long since been codified as what it is today. This applies to feminism as well. If Pro wanted to defeat my argument, his task would be to demonstrate why such unimpugnable authorities, such as Merriam Webster and Encyclopedia Britannica, are erroneous in their definition of feminism, a feat which he never even attempted. Pro has blundered fatally in using the wrong word to represent what he was trying to argue against. Perhaps a more appropriate premise for my opponent would have been, "Third-Wave Feminism is not equality". {1}http://www.etymonline.com... {2}http://www.etymonline.com... {3}http://www.etymonline.com... {4}http://www.simpletoremember.com...

  • CON

    I would like to begin by first clarifying the definition...

    Feminism Should not be Encouraged

    I would like to begin by first clarifying the definition of: "Feminism": "The advocacy of women"s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes." [http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...] I am against the topic "Feminism Should not be Encouraged". Therefore, I am for the topic "Feminism Should be Encouraged". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Why I believe feminism should be encouraged: Feminism (by definition) aims for equal rights between sexes. Why should feminism be encouraged in schools? It would teach kids that gender discrimination is wrong. Why should feminism be encouraged to employers? It would make employers aware that gender should not be a factor when there is a competition for a job - that only the traits, abilities and other relevant factors would be necessary. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I will continue after Pro produces his case. I will subsequently try and rebuttal. Good luck.

  • CON

    The definition of feminism is the belief that the men and...

    Feminism is men-hating

    The definition of feminism is the belief that the men and women should be treated equally in economy, politics and other stuff. That means that feminism benefits men too. Fathers always get less credit than mothers and feminism will fix that. Men crying is considered improper by the elite society, but feminism will fix that. People expect more from men and the punishment are more severe, but feminism will fix that.

  • CON

    Well, one of Women Against Feminism"s harshest critics,...

    Feminism

    Well, one of Women Against Feminism"s harshest critics, leading feminist pundit Jessica Valenti, makes it clear that being a feminist means believing that women in America and other modern liberal democracies are "a victimized class." They are "systematically discriminated against in school, work, and politics," "objectified," and "harassed, attacked, and sexually assaulted." This, Valenti asserts, is "not a matter of politics, but of truth."

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/12/
  • CON

    I've always been amazed with feminism. While there is an...

    Feminism

    I've always been amazed with feminism. While there is an inarguable gender gap, I don't understand how focusing on one gender is supposed to, in anyway, bring out "equality". Here are some examples; While it's true that women in the Middle East are treated absolutely disgusting, the men don't have it all that much better. Granted, they aren't being stoned to death for getting pregnant after being raped. However, men that live in a hostile area, are automatically seen as an enemy. So while women are being mistreated, men are being killed. Simply for being a man, in the wrong neighborhood. It's true that being an attractive woman, walking around in a bad area, you could get raped. That's a fear I will always understand. However, if a man finds himself in a bad area wearing the wrong color, he may find himself being the victim of a drive by. Living in a rather... unstable community (to say the least) I have heard stories, and seen first hand how gang violence effects men. I have not seen or heard of any stories of women being victims of this. Feminists really like to point to double standards that favor men, yet most of these double standards they mention, are in no way true. When is the last time you congratulated a man for sleeping around a lot? My friends and I, always refer to men who sleep around a lot as "man whores." That is in no way, a term of endearment. It's quite frowned upon actually. Double standards, do however exist. Some that favor men, some that favor women. Domestic violence is a big one. When women are the victims of this, it is taken EXTREMELY seriously. When men are, it's laughed at. Hell, even I have a hard time keeping a straight face when I imagine the man who is getting beaten by his wife. I find that my issue with feminism is mostly rooted in the fact that they believe women are the victims, because they are women. When a woman is beaten, raped, or has her rights stolen, it's not a feminist issue. It's a humanitarian issue. While the feminism your parents grew up with had specific goals and a powerful message, today's is all about throwing sticks and stones at men, and painting absolutely minuscule issues as major problems with society. All of my life, I have heard one feminist that I deeply agreed with. I can't seem to remember her name, she was big on YouTube. She managed to speak of women's issues, without blaming men. But most of all, what she did that truly earned my respect, was her video on the Disposable Man. She actually spoke up for a men's issue. The first time I've heard a feminist, speak of an issue pertaining to having a penis. That is what gender equality should be about. It should be about looking at the gap between men and women, and asking how we can close that and be as equal as possible. While there are genetic factors that make it truly impossible to be completely equal, I feel that society has been going the right way. While feminism does do some good at exposing the sexism against women in advertising and pop culture, it fails to expose the sexism against men. The Damsel in Distress comes to mind. Her videos on sexism in video games was intriguing. She made a good point when she said that women are always painted as the one's in need of help. However, she didn't point out the fact that it's always MEN who are painted as the one's who are expected to sacrifice themselves to save a woman. It's truly incredibly, how feminists believe that you can create gender equality by focusing on the plights of one gender.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/2/
  • CON

    When I ask most modern feminist, "name one thing a male...

    Feminism

    I'm all for feminism if you're talking about the fundamentals. Which is the belief that both genders should be equal. Which sounds great and all but modern day feminism, in my opinion, is just something used to give women an advantage and antagonize men. When I ask most modern feminist, "name one thing a male can do but you can't" they can't say anything because there really isn't. (At least in the U.S.) If anything men have a disadvantage nowadays. I will list a few -Men pay 97% of Alimony -Men lose custody in 84% of divorces. -77% of homicide victims are men. -89% of men will be the victim of at least one violent crime. -Men are over twice as victimised by strangers as women. -Men are 165% more likely to be convicted than women. -Men get 63% longer sentences than women for the same crime. -Court bias against men is at least 6 times bigger than racial bias. -Males are discriminated against in school and University. -Boys face vastly more corporal punishment than girls. -60-80% of the homeless are men. -At least 10% of fathers are victims of paternity fraud. -One-third of all fathers in the USA have lost custody of children, most are expected to pay for this. -40-70% of domestic violence is against men, however, less than 1% of domestic violence shelter spaces are for men. -Men pay over 70% of income tax but the vast majority of public spending is on services for women All these statements come from a website called http://www.realsexism.com... . This website compiles all sources from various places which support each of my examples. I have looked through all of them myself. For example in my first example about alimony, the U.S. census bureau found that only 3% of men received alimony in 2010. Now if you ask me that sounds like an awful amount of disturbing disadvantages. Which you don't hear feminists talk about or protest about. But what you do hear is them talking about the wage gap. Which has actually been debunked, I could explain later if you want. So my point is that modern-day feminism is just a load of bull. As all they focus on is benefiting women. I feel that if they really cared about equality they would fly to the middle east and do something about sexism there. All I see is a bunch of women complaining about how their life is so hard and they need handouts from the government.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/25/
  • CON

    I doubt if she did it on purpose, but regardless of her...

    Feminism is necessary

    Thanks Pro for the timely response. Definition Problems There is a problem with Pro's definition of "requisite"... it defines "requisite" as a noun, while the word "necessary" is used as an adjective in the debate resolution. We know this because when one diagrams the sentence "Feminism is necessary", the word "necessary" describes "feminism" and is therefore an adjective.[3] With this in mind, Pro's definition of a noun isn't interchangeable with the adjective "necessary". In other words, Pro's argument concerning the definition of "necessary" should be disregarded. Logical Fallacy Pro has engaged in a logical fallacy known as "Moving the Goalposts". I doubt if she did it on purpose, but regardless of her motivation, her argument should be disregarded nonetheless. Let me explain: Moving the goalposts: "Moving the goalposts, similar to "shifting sands" and also known as raising the bar, is an informal fallacy in which evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other (often greater) evidence is demanded. That is, after an attempt has been made to score a goal, the goalposts are moved to exclude the attempt. The problem with changing the rules of the game is that the meaning of the end result is changed, too." [4] Basically, once I showed Let me explain: Moving the goalposts: "Moving the goalposts, similar to "shifting sands" and also known as raising the bar, is an informal fallacy in which evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other (often greater) evidence is demanded. That is, after an attempt has been made to score a goal, the goalposts are moved to exclude the attempt. The problem with changing the rules of the game is that the meaning of the end result is changed, too." [4] Basically, once I showed feminism is NOT necessary, Pro tried to change the resolution from Feminism is Necessary to "Feminism is Necessary for the achievement of a specific end". That's unfair. If Pro wanted to debate that, she should have said so before I accepted the debate. It's too late to change the debate now, so I ask the voters to ignore her attempt to do so. Sources: 3. http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu... 4. https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

  • CON

    At this time, since it wasn't defined in the first or...

    Feminism is necessary

    I would like to thank my opponent for her opening arguments. At this time, since it wasn't defined in the first or second round by my opponent, I would like to offer a definition of the word "necessary". Necessary: being essential, indispensable, or requisite [1] This is a common definition, so I presume Pro will have no problem with it. Now for a little history of At this time, since it wasn't defined in the first or second round by my opponent, I would like to offer a definition of the word "necessary". Necessary: being essential, indispensable, or requisite [1] This is a common definition, so I presume Pro will have no problem with it. Now for a little history of feminism: "Charles Fourier, a Utopian Socialist and French philosopher, is credited with having coined the word "f"minisme" in 1837.[10] The words "f"minisme" ("feminisme") and "f"minist" ("feminist") first appeared in France and the Netherlands in 1872,[11] Great Britain in the 1890s, and the United States in 1910,[12][13] and the Oxford English Dictionary lists 1852 as the year of the first appearance of "feminist"[14] and 1895 for "feminism".[15]" [2] So, with this in mind, I think I can address all of my opponent's arguments with one general rebuttal: Since there was once a time when feminism didn't exist, it's clearly not necessary. It's not essential for our survival, nor is it indispensable, or a requisite. Feminism may or may not be a good thing to have, but it's NOT necessary. We have lived without it in the past, and could do so in the future. Remember, we're NOT debating if we SHOULD practice feminism. The debate resolution is about whether it's necessary. Treating women as equals is a nice thing to do, but it's not NECESSARY. I turn it back over to Pro. Sources: 1. http://dictionary.reference.com... 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org...