• PRO

    they say it is wrong to vote for them, unless a...

    it is not wrong for a catholic to vote for a prochoice president, in this political climate

    they say it is wrong to vote for them, unless a "proportionate reason" exists to vote for them. do you contest this fact? i can find the quote from the former pope ratzinger that says this but i wouldn't assume i'd need to i thought it was common enough knowledge. you haven't said why what you describe would necessarily be proportionate reasons one way or the other.

  • CON

    It is impossible for abortion to be a "non issue",...

    it is not wrong for a catholic to vote for a prochoice president, in this political climate

    It is impossible for abortion to be a "non issue", because it is actually an issue that the Catholic church has deemed one of the most serious sins prevalent. It cannot be a "non issue", because every other societal issue is lacking in proportionality.

  • CON

    The Catholic Church opposes all forms of abortion...

    it is not wrong for a catholic to vote for a prochoice president, in this political climate

    I grew up a Catholic, but am now an Atheist. I am pro-choice, so I feel like I can argue for this. After doing a fair amount of searching around I can say that, yes, it is wrong. The Catholic Church opposes all forms of abortion procedures whose direct purpose is to destroy an embryo, blastocyst, zygote or fetus, since it holds that "human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception". Maybe "wrong" isn't the best word because it varies on a persons morality. If the pope says you shouldn't vote for a pro-choice politician, who clearly supports something that the church says is immoral, then it is "wrong" to vote for a pro-choice politician.

  • CON

    Since abortion and euthanasia have been defined by the...

    it is not wrong for a catholic to vote for a prochoice president, in this political climate

    It is never permissible for a Catholic to vote for a pro-abortion candidate because the candidate is pro-abortion. Such a vote would be formal cooperation in the serious sin of the candidate who, upon being elected, would vote for legislation making possible the taking of innocent human life through procured abortion. Since abortion and euthanasia have been defined by the Church as the most serious sins prevalent in our society, what kind of reasons could possibly be considered proportionate enough to justify a Catholic voting for a candidate who is known to be pro-abortion? None of the reasons commonly suggested could even begin to be proportionate enough to justify a Catholic voting for such a candidate. Reasons such as the candidate"s position on war, or taxes, or the death penalty, or immigration, or a national health plan, or social security, or aids, or homosexuality, or marriage, or any similar burning societal issues of our time are simply lacking in proportionality.

  • PRO

    Agreement on the post showed a clear commitment to the...

    The creation of the post of a High Representative marked an important change in the EU.

    The creation of a post of High Representative and Vice President of the Commission (HRVP) marks an important change in the decision making process at the EU level with regards to foreign policy. Agreement on the post showed a clear commitment to the pursuit of a common EU foreign policy and to developing a unique cooperative model for foreign and defense policy decision making that goes beyond the nation state. Member states should now deliver on that commitment by seeking as much common ground as possible to ensure that the High Representative’s role is truly significant. The goal of a common foreign and security policy should thus be supported not only as a mechanism to streamline EU’s position and role in world politics, but also to reinforce notions of cooperation and consultation essential for maintaining a stable international system, in line with the stated goals of the EU. (The 12 stars in a circle is meant to symbolize the ideals of unity, solidarity and harmony among the peoples of Europe)1. 1 Europa.eu, 'Symbols',accessed 1/8/11

  • PRO

    Socialism promises predictability - or what else is there...

    Socialism poorly adapts to change.

    Well, life is unpredictable. Socialism promises predictability - or what else is there to imagine under this "right to live"? But there is nobody who can tell what tomorrow will bring, nobody and nothing that can guarantee well being. The basic premise of socialism is therefore as realizable as perpetuum mobile. Sometimes, the crops may be bad, natural disasters can strike, new technologies can emerge so your knowledge or skill is no longer valuable. Capitalists usually quietly and peacefully (though, of course, not necessarily lightheartedly and easily) accept these changes or losses as a thing that life brings, and learns how to adapt to the new circumstances. Socialists, on the other hand, usually begin a fruitless and absurd search of whom to blame for (not predicting) these abrupt changes, with the "outcome" of this "search" usually being "the capitalist behaviour" of some individual or a group of people, against whom the aggressive anger of the "common people" is subsequently senselessly turned.

  • PRO

    Just curious as to see what your argument will be! ......

    Cimate change is real and caused by humans

    Just curious as to see what your argument will be! Looking forward to it. But just to clarify, I'm talking about the rising of global temperatures caused by increased CO2 and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere leading to the greenhouse effect. Good luck!

  • CON

    But you openly admitted that the U.S.A wasn't necessarily...

    The USA IS Superior | Change My Mind

    Yes. Statistics are as statistics do. But you openly admitted that the U.S.A wasn't necessarily superior in all categories, which is contrary to your 3rd round assertion. The U.S.A. isn't the best at everything and certainly isn't the worst and any honest U.S. citizen would freely admit this. The best and only place to be is Planet Earth and there's nothing much we can do about that. Happy 7th of July.