• PRO

    My first source shows beyond a resonable doubt man-made...

    Anthropic climate change is real and a threat.

    My first source shows beyond a resonable doubt man-made climate change exists. [0] My second and third and forth source show that climate change is a threat. [1][2] I know my argument is short, but when you got peer reviewed articles as source stating your claim, there is no reason to make a longer argument. "The World Health Organisation estimates that the warming and precipitation trends due to anthropogenic climate change of the past 30 years already claim over 150,000 lives annually. " [3] Thanks for the debate. Sources 0. http://iopscience.iop.org... 1. http://www.nature.com... 2. http://www.nature.com... 3. http://www.nature.com...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Anthropic-climate-change-is-real-and-a-threat./1/
  • CON

    I think climate change is a bad thing because it is...

    What is your opinion on climate change

    I think climate change is a bad thing because it is warming the globe and it is destroying ice burges and is changing anamails habits like for example poler bears there homes are getting melted by the increasing temps and its bad because the poler bears are losing there homes. AND do you want to know why climate change is happening. Its because green house gases and fossil fuels and airshol fresheners. The bad cemaciles are going up and destroying this thing called the ozone layer. The ozone layer is like a layer around the earth pretecing us from the suns deadly rays and the stuff that goes into the air goes to the ozone layer and makes it weaker and that's why there is globe warming and climate change

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/What-is-your-opinion-on-climate-change/1/
  • PRO

    Given the excellent record of oil companies in seeking...

    Climate change

    Final round. No new arguments and no new proof. In this round we will try to conclude and to balance the arguments presented. The debate crystallized around 2 central issues: credibility/significance of authority and interpretation of available data. With regard to the first point it became clear that the debate shifted from the credibility of scientists supporting human induced GW to the credibility of scientists and groups negating GW. This was only natural since there is more to attack and defend on the side of people negating human induced GW. Con managed to show that there was suspicion about interference in science on the side of IPCC (and IPCC only). I proved that not only all the proof presented by Con is financed by oil industry (Exxon is only one example, it didn't have to pay for all the research negating GW), but also that oil industry edited a science report which was wrote by independent scientists. Con made no reference to this Machiavellian strategy in his speech. Con also conceded that GW scientists have no secret agenda. My proof showed that people that negate GW have a vested interest in the outcome of this debate. Given the excellent record of oil companies in seeking the truth and helping their communities the reader can judge for himself/herself if the science provided by their scientists reflects the truth. In the end it is more probable that independent scientists are right and scientists financed by good willing oil companies are biased. It is hard to convince somebody of the truth if he is paid to ignore it. In the second part of the debate the reader can surely see that Con is very good at constantly changing his strategy to respond to my arguments. First he ignores the Venus example (round 1), then he does some calculations that I show to prove the Co2 sensitivity of climate (round 2&3), then he says that Venus is not actually relevant even if he agreed to use it as a case study (round 4). As his argument and his source don't explain why Venus is not appropriate for the debate, it should be taken into consideration when evaluating the outcome of this debate. I Venus is taken into consideration and correlated with the data provided by Con in the 2nd and 3rd round and the graph I have provided for illustrative purposes, then it shows that initial increases can lead to significant effects in warming the climate. This proves the topic I am advocating for. The proof showing an increase of mean temperatures and the argument regarding the balance of input and output were never clearly attacked by Con. Instead Con pointed out different causes that drive climate. When it was clear that it was not enough to prove alternate causes Con tried to redefine the "significant" word so that I would have to prove that Co2 drives climate change. As this is a straw man strategy I did not engage in this discussion. Instead I proved a significant effect. Also Con used a double standard with regard to the issue presented. The Co2 Theory must exactly predict everything while alternate causes don't have to. If we apply the same principle on Con causes they don't stand careful analysis. With regard to the quote from a "BBC documentary" [sic] I refrain from listing all the false data provided by the movie ("The Great Global Warming Swindle") as this would be new proof. I will only point out something that already appeared in the debate and on which both me and Con agree. The movie states that there is no financing of denial (sic!) of human induced GW. This is only one among numerous errors of the movie. It is good that I didn't have to defend An Inconvenient Truth. In the end I won credibility and I won Venus. The reader can either vote for Pro or wait to see if the Co2 theory is wrong. http://xkcd.com... I thank Con for an educated debate and the reader for his patience in reading this lengthy discussion.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change/1/
  • PRO

    First of all, ocean levels have been rising for the past...

    Climate change is real and caused by humans

    First of all, let me apologize for not making it clear what I meant by "climate change." Global warming is actually an outdated term when it comes to climate change, and most scientists and climate activists prefer to now call it "climate change." Although overall temperatures are gradually getting higher, many people try to argue against the existence of climate change by referencing years when temperatures have been lower than normal. This winter has been a perfect example of this. Therefore, when I speak of "climate change" I am talking about the overall shift in global temperature, weather patterns, and other climate factors that we are already seeing today. Sorry for not making that clear. Because the evidence for actual climate change is unequivocal, with 97% of global scientists supporting it, I will not take most of this argument to show the evidence. The big thing we're debating is whether or not it is caused by humans. To start with evidence that climate change is happening, let me just list a few. First of all, ocean levels have been rising for the past century, with a total rise of about 6.7 inches (which may not sound like much, but globally has large implications, especially if it continues.) In addition, the rate of rising has doubled in the last decade compared with the last century, showing that temperatures are rising, and rising fast. Second, temperatures have been rising since 1880, and the most warming has happened since the 1970s, with the twenty hottest years having been since then. Third, the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has been declining rapidly over the past several decades. Fourth, since 1950, the number of record high temperatures has been increasing, while the number of record low temperatures has been decreasing. Fifth, since the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of the oceans has increased by about 30 percent! I will stop listing evidence here, so I can move on to why climate change is caused by humans, but I would end by reminding Con, as I said before, the 97 PERCENT OF ALL SCIENTISTS AGREE WITH THIS THEORY. Does that not mean anything? Now for some rebuttals against why Con said before. First of all to respond to what you said about how much CO2 humans release into the atmosphere compared to the amount released by the rest of the planet. It sounds like your saying that we have released 0.00022 percent of all CO2 ever released by the earth's mantle. This number doesn't have much relevance, and I will use a different one to respond. Humans currently release about 30 GT (giga-tons) of carbon each year, while the earth emits about 780 GT a year. While this may seem to show that humans aren't the problem, it actually shows that we are. Before we began emitting so much CO2, the system was in balance, with the earth and ocean absorbing the 780 GT that it emitted. This kept the CO2 level in the atmosphere between 180 and 280 parts per million for 800,000 years. With the added human carbon emission, the CO2 level is at 400 parts per million and still rising. For another rebuttal, I would respond to what you say about how significant climactic changes have happened throughout geologic time. This is true, but this does not make the climate change happening right now any less relevant. These changes in climate you speak of are called "Milankovitch cycles", which have to do with the periodic oscillation of the earth's tilt, the precession of the tilt, and changes in earth's elliptical orbit. During each of these warming cycles, CO2 and temperature levels have risen and fallen TOGETHER. Also, the whole sun theory you mention at the end of your argument was supported not by "a large body of scientific research", but by one man, Wei-Hock Soon, who got $1.2 million funding from fossil-fuel companies. I will end with this: climate change is an extremely important and urgent topic that needs to be addressed by the world. People like you (and I mean no offense) need to stop arguing, using the tiniest facts to try and disprove something that is so unanimously agreed upon by scientists worldwide. If you don't believe in science, then that is a whole different matter, but if you do, I cannot fathom why you don't understand this. If we don't have a habitable world to live and be healthy on, how can we solve all our other problems?

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-real-and-caused-by-humans/2/
  • CON

    Clever programming leads you to believe so. In any case,...

    Climate change is real.

    Clever programming leads you to believe so. In any case, the case of the affirmative has been dropped and the negative is the only one with extensions pulling through this entire time, leading only the negative ballot to be justified in the end - nothing is real, climate change can't be real.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-real./1/
  • CON

    While there is little doubt about the reality of climate...

    Acceleration Of Climate Change

    While there is little doubt about the reality of climate change, it is unknown how mankind will be able to adapt to it. New technology may create arable land in areas that otherwise couldn’t be farmed. Furthermore, it is possible that relocating people from areas that are flooded will become easier due to improvements in technology.

    • https://debatewise.org/2123-should-we-be-concerned-about-population-growth/
  • CON

    However, we reach a point where we can no longer develop...

    Sustainable Development And Climate Change

    I thank the commenters who brought this to my attention. Now, since my opponent's rant does not make any real points in his favor, I will simply make my case and explain why my opponent's case does not fulfill his burden [that is, if his plagiarized first round should count at all]. As you can see, one of the things my opponent is arguing FOR in this debate is Sustainable Development. My opponent must argue FOR both Sustainable development AND climate change. I am here to tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that development is not sustainable, and I am therefore against the concept of sustainable development. Development requires that we take something that is undeveloped and develop it. However, we reach a point where we can no longer develop any further. My opponent has only helped in showing this. he indeed azrgues that development is not sustainable. He as in the source he plagiarized from, of course. And my opponent has certainly made no case in favor of climate change, which he must do to fulfill the AND of the resolution. As CON, I have many avenues of argumentation. I can argue against sustainable development, or I can argue against he indeed azrgues that development is not sustainable. He as in the source he plagiarized from, of course. And my opponent has certainly made no case in favor of climate change, which he must do to fulfill the AND of the resolution. As CON, I have many avenues of argumentation. I can argue against sustainable development, or I can argue against climate change. Or I could argue against both. For now, what I have done will suffice. I hope my opponent brings his own content to the table next round, or at least properly cites the original authors if he is incapable of making his own argument.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Sustainable-Development-And-Climate-Change/1/
  • CON

    The debate right now is about climate change, which since...

    Resolved: Climate change is, on balance, anthropogenic in origin

    Alleged Rule Violations: 5. No trolling How hurtful! trolling:make a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them. (Google) I am not trying to offend anyone deliberately. If anything, you are offending me by accusing me of breaking rules. 6. No "kritiks" of the topic (i.e. arguments that challenge an assumption in the resolution) The resolution is not about global warming, which was defined first round by 16k. The debate right now is about climate change, which since it has been undefined, I define as "a long-term change in the earth's climate, especially a change due to an increase in the average atmospheric temperature:" (dictionary.com). I assumed we were talking about climate change as the resolution stated so. Even though he claims ">R1 established "global warming" (synonomous to "climate change" in the literature) ", climate change and global warming are completely different, the Little Ice age was an example of The debate right now is about climate change, which since it has been undefined, I define as "a long-term change in the earth's climate, especially a change due to an increase in the average atmospheric temperature:" (dictionary.com). I assumed we were talking about climate change as the resolution stated so. Even though he claims ">R1 established "global warming" (synonomous to "climate change" in the literature) ", climate change and global warming are completely different, the Little Ice age was an example of climate change but not global warming. Not all change = warming. 16k thinks climate change = global warming because global warming is an example of climate change and they are therefore the same. That would be like saying because all squares= rectangles are rectangles = squares. 7. No semantics; debaters will adhere to the common/average understanding of the topic The common understanding of climate change is changes in the climate, not necessarily warming. The definition of origin is "the point or place where something begins, arises, or is derived. (google)", which basically means beginning of something, which means the start. The start of CLIMATE CHANGE dated back to millions of years ago. "Con's debate strategy is immoral, unfair, and rule breaking. " To what morality system? Back up your assertions. Unfair? Well you instigated it and made the resolution so, not I. I am adhering to the rules. I explained why I followed the rules. Conclusion Climate change (not the same thing as global warming) has been happening for millions of years before humanity was alive. To say that humans affected the climate so long ago is patently ridiculous.

  • PRO

    Bring external mass to the planet 2. ... Php https://www.

    Climate Change is a real issue

    I propose that Global warming is indeed a real and existential threat to our planet. As you may have heard before there were periods in our planet's timeline called "the ice age" however most of the proof we have was amassed in the last few thousands of years which helps us graph what life was like millions of years ago using geological evidence, Fossils, Ice cores and even trees (which can date back a few thousand years) and other clues to help us understand our planet's past. From this paragraph I lay my claim that atmosphere and the crest of the planet are subjectable to human influence. based statistics and chart data from climate. Gov that Carbon dioxide's ppm has had about a 1/3 increase and the annual green house gas index has had a 45% percent increase since 1990 (relative to 1990) 1. Your video evidence, The video itself states that climate change does exist and is undoubtable to most scientist in that range of field however it does question the perceived threat of global warming the human influence that be causing the problem. We can discuss more about the video in the next round. 2. I do not know what mathematics you speak of however there are three ways i can think of a few ways humans can change the mass of earth 1. Bring external mass to the planet 2. Eject mass from planet 3. Influencing earth in a way to increase or decrease intake/output of energy from our planet though lost energy (entropy) 3. Considering that I have a source that says the ppm of co2 has been at 280 ppm pre industrial revolution I have no idea what to think considering you said that it has a saturation of 80 ppm (currently at around 400 ppm) 4. I don't actually care about this person, However they are rightfully noteworthy for what i presume is a fact? 5. Ok, That paper does put up concern but I will discard it because I don't want to bother with analyzing it due to fact you yourself called it fraud. now for my own claims which I will assert some possible affects of global warming and issues in relation to it 1. Sea level rising; this if it happens is predicted to displace 143 million people not to mention disrupt international trading, Food production, Land animal/plants ecosystem and living space and the planetary absorption/reflection of the sun's rays 2. Ecosystem collapse; as you might have read many animals, And plants alike are sensitive to ecosystem change causing species to die out or become reduced which could potentially allow an invasive species to come in or a chain reaction of species dying out which will decrease the earth's biodiversity and overall planetary sustainability. 3. Carbon and other particles have been rising in ppm for the most part these last few centuries, This could have a impact on the overall health and quality of life the atmosphere could provide to us by exposing us all to an unhealthy amount of particles that might impede our body's ability to function 4. As I said before currently our planet's ecosystem is strained, You might have heard about banana farms being killed off, Or species going extinct, Perhaps the killer wasp stories or the invasive species stories. Ecosystems have long evolved in such a way to even create breeds of the same species just so it thrives and contributes to a healthy ecosystem, When species' die it leaves the local area without its overall stability and vulnerable to intrusion and entropy of the ecosystem. A shoddy comparison is the free market, Where the businesses have specialized in their niche to be the best in that field that is what life has done to thrive in their ecosystems, But if you change variables suddenly some can't change fast enough and will go under. That is what happens in both the free market and in ecosystems. https://www. Climate. Gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide https://www. Earthobservatory. Nasa. Gov/features/CarbonCycle/page5. Php https://www. Ajc. Com/news/world/climate-change-will-internally-displace-143-million-people-2050-scientists-warn/UppkeFSlfJmPr3ay3rAF0I/

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-Change-is-a-real-issue/3/
  • CON

    Therefore, my opponent did break their own rules. ......

    Anthropic climate change is real and a threat.

    First my opponent says that I should have asked questions about the structure earlier in the debate but ignores the fact that, in the comment section, I did ask about the order of the debate and explain what I thought it meant. Therefore, I did alert my opponent to my confusion and my opponent either chose to ignore it or did not see it but either way I made my confusion known. Therefore, my opponent did break their own rules. My opponent then says, "if you are so sure you are correct and there are so many climate change deniers, why don't you publish your r2-3 arguments in a peer reviewed journal?" My response to this is that: 1. There are not many climate change skeptics. This is because people choose not to be skeptical because believing in man made global warming is how you get grants. 2. I don't publish my findings in a peer reviewed journal because they would not get published. This is because the people who choose what to publish in the journals most likely believe in man made global warming and are therefore biased against me. Another reason a journal would not publish a skeptical article about man made global warming is that if they did, then they would be accused of being funded by fossil fuel companies and would be ridiculed. Other scientists have already tried to publish their findings and it is always rejected so why should I try? What people don't realize is that by attacking anyone who has a skeptical view of man made Therefore, my opponent did break their own rules. My opponent then says, "if you are so sure you are correct and there are so many climate change deniers, why don't you publish your r2-3 arguments in a peer reviewed journal?" My response to this is that: 1. There are not many climate change skeptics. This is because people choose not to be skeptical because believing in man made global warming is how you get grants. 2. I don't publish my findings in a peer reviewed journal because they would not get published. This is because the people who choose what to publish in the journals most likely believe in man made global warming and are therefore biased against me. Another reason a journal would not publish a skeptical article about man made global warming is that if they did, then they would be accused of being funded by fossil fuel companies and would be ridiculed. Other scientists have already tried to publish their findings and it is always rejected so why should I try? What people don't realize is that by attacking anyone who has a skeptical view of man made climate change you are preventing research into that area and therefore creating a huge bias in the experiments done and articles published. In conclusion, my opponent has not rebutted even one of my claims, instead they focus on the accusations of rule breaking. Due to this absence of rebuttals, my arguments stand and therefore, based on this debate, I have proven how climate change is not much of a threat, and that global warming is not caused by man. While my opponent may of used abstracts from peer reviewed articles (as they love pointing out) I have won the debate. I have given 11 points to why climate change is not due to Co2 and given countless examples of natural disaster frequency staying constant. All of the arguments I have made in this debate go uncontested and therefore prove that climate change is not man made and that the threat is exaggerated. Due to this, all voters are mandated to vote Con under more convincing arguments and conduct. Thank you for reading this debate.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Anthropic-climate-change-is-real-and-a-threat./1/