• PRO

    People also are not forced to get an education, but they...

    Uniforms or not

    "Well random knowlage, people should not be forced to wear anything. Once again they should be able to wear what they want. yes, some people can bareley afford these things. they are very pricey. If they are going to private school, they might just be affording to go there, nevermind be able to buy clothes." That is what you said. 1.Thats right. People also are not forced to get an education, but they choose to, and a universal dress code is the price. 2. You are right. Within reason they should be able to wear whatever they want. 3. They are not as pricey as keeping up with designer fads! You buy nice clothes like this once, and when you outgrow them you get more. Simple. As. That. 4. You are right. It is the price for going to a fancy school. I am fortunate not to have adress code at my private school. 5. And lastly,I see this is your first debate, and I know you are a beginner, but a little advice is to refute every point given. Kudos on some good points and some good debating!

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  • PRO

    First Round: Accept. ... Let's have a good debate!

    Should Uniforms be Required in Public Schools

    This is a debate in whether schools should require uniforms. First Round: Accept. Second Round: Arguments. Third Round: Rebuttals. Fourth Round: Acknowledge and Refute Rebuttals. Fifth Round: Closing Arguments. Let's have a good debate!

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  • CON

    When one observes an easily distracted child, they'll...

    Private Schools Should Have Students Wear Uniforms

    Interesting points. Thank you for a well thought out argument. 1. I accept the suggested statement that uniforms make it harder for children to identify each others' socioeconomic status, however I doubt that that necessarily stops discrimination. Clothes are usually an obvious flag of how much wealth the family of the child has. However, once you remove that as an identifying factor, you'll just find more subtle trends being utilized by high income students. Things like watches, jewelry, backpacks, and even school supplies. Even if all the children are dressed the same, those that wish to victimize others will find a way to identify their victim. 2. It's funny that you say clothes are a distraction when I've always felt the inverse is wildly more distracting. But to be serious, I doubt this. When one observes an easily distracted child, they'll notice that if there's no stimulus to distract the child they'll generally end up fidgeting or finding some other way to amuse themselves. Clothes aren't the issue here. It's the child's attention span. And if that's the issue, it seems that we would be doing the children a disservice by sending them out into the world without teaching them how to focus when something as common as a t-shirt can steal their attention. 3. Your presence at the school identifies you as part of the student body. I doubt that promoting school spirit is worth taking away the right of the child to project their personality through their attire. To respond to this, please explain to me the merits of school spirit and how they improve the education of a student. 4. Conformity is not something to strive for. Conformity suppresses creativity, which is extremely important in the adult world. Look at the field of adverising, which is taking in massive amounts of graduates every year. Your main objective is to think up some kind of catchy ad campaign that will sell the product in question. In making everyone think the same, we hamper their ability to perform these kind of jobs. And by making them all feel like they are the same through promoting matching attire, we're shaping their minds as well. There's also the issue of over achievement. By leading children to emulate their peers, you may suppress the capabilities of those that go beyond their fellow students in potential. 5. Someone that has malicious intent is generally going to plan out their ill doings on the campus. Uniforms are not hard to obtain. Even if they didn't match the students, assuming they wanted to cause true harm, the teachers and administration would likely be powerless to do anything. This point is ineffective if the majority of attacks on schools are examined. The only true way to stop this trend is by arming teachers or putting armed personnel at the schools. In addition: Out of curiosity, how do you feel about religious articles? These can definitely contribute to children classifying each other, but it seems that we as a culture don't want to restrict students from fulfilling the obligations of their faith. Would you say such articles are allowed, or prohibited?

  • CON

    It is hard to explain in words, But I'd like anyone...

    School Uniform Should be Compulsory

    I believe that making school uniforms non-compulsory has more to do with a futuristic ideology and a student's creativity, Than many other factors. Allow me to explain. Enforcing a strict code about anything, Affects students more than others. Take uniforms - if you forget to wear them, Or mess up your uniform, Which in most cases gets washed daily and re-used, You get punished. You are forced to believe that it is, In some way, Illegal to dirty the uniform. Would it improve the lives of students if they are forced to wear the something every day? Of course, Discipline never is unwelcome, But there are novel ways to implement discipline other than making students wear the daily noose to school. It reflects freedom, Not to have a strict uniform code. It is hard to explain in words, But I'd like anyone reading this to imagine if, At any time, A robot can perceive freedom. Can a machine, Made to serve its "lord" even at the behest of its existence, Perceive true freedom? When you are told over and over again that you cannot explore different choices, When you are strictly punished for expressing your free will against the uniform code, Can you ever understand freedom? We must always feel at home everywhere. There is great truth in this. For instance, We make friends to feel a familial bond when seeing them. We try to become cleaner, So that when every place is clean, It seems just like home. Clothing has a huge importance in this. Apparently, The very fabric you wear affects your work ethics and emotions. Try putting on the same bleak shirt daily, And see how cranky you get. There is also the time factor. With exam schedules shortening and the daily race expanding, Students have no time. Time is barely enough to complete your studies, But then again you have to wash and iron your clothes. See what I mean? I wish to point that students cannot be forced to, And should not be forced to accept a uniform code. Let them be free to consider school home. I believe liberal discipline is the best discipline.

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  • CON

    People should be able to wear what they want! ... Yes...

    Uniforms or not

    People should be able to wear what they want! People should be free. Yes some clothes can be totally disgusting. They are expensive and are not use when not at Yes some clothes can be totally disgusting. They are expensive and are not use when not at school or working.

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  • CON

    And if an average public school, why must all of society...

    should students wear uniform to school

    Surely bullying will exist whether there are uniforms or not? It would remove a persons clothing as a reason for derision, but bullying is not limited to barbed commentary and behavior shredding a persons self esteem and school wear. Is it right to ignore the true problem of bullying? That people have the situations removed from themselves and be not given guidance or opportunity to learn empathy or right from wrong. I do not advocate intentionally putting someone in a situation of bullying. But nor can I advocate removing all situations where bullying can occur. By that thinking recess would be removed as to limit peoples interactions and chances of bullying. And what I say of money? If this was a private school, I 'assume' that the people paying for their children to attend would be rich enough in any case to simply buy them clothing for school. And if an average public school, why must all of society pay their hard earned money simply for a school to 'look' more unified? So long as no one expects the students to but their own suit and tie for So long as no one expects the students to but their own suit and tie for school, can simple clothing truly be so expensive?

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  • CON

    Also, because the US is much more sexually conservative...

    How would you feel if America had gotten sailor uniforms

    I am against both adopting sailor uniforms as mandates in most US schools, and having any feelings about it. The former, because most US schools are taxpayer funded and any political adoption of this would necessitate subsidizing such uniforms, requiring the gov't to steal more money from taxpayers. Also, because the US is much more sexually conservative than Japan and therefore any "Sailor" uniforms that would have any chance of adoption here would have longer skirts, and probably be rather baggy, being specifically designed to make the women in question less attractive (I have attended schools with other uniforms, and there can be no doubt about the net effect of those uniforms therefore causing a visual negative, to the contrary of John's hopes. The latter, because uniforms that aren't occupationally related are signs of subservience to a collective, and anyone who could develop "Feelings" for someone that are emphasized by rather than in spite of such a uniform has a depraved hierarchy of values, implicitly adopting such subservience as one of their highest values.

  • PRO

    That's what I love about these high school girls, man....

    should public school students wear uniforms

    Extend all my arguments. Forfeits are no fun. Vote Pro. "That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older and they stay the same age."

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  • PRO

    First and foremost, it is not place for fun, for stroll...

    High school students should wear uniforms.

    My position is strong about wearing the school uniform. First and foremost, it is not place for fun, for stroll or something like that. The most important feature is discipline and that's why it must differ from another situations.

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  • CON

    Once again they should be able to wear what they want....

    Uniforms or not

    Well random knowlage, people should not be forced to wear anything. Once again they should be able to wear what they want. yes, some people can bareley afford these things. they are very pricey. If they are going to private Once again they should be able to wear what they want. yes, some people can bareley afford these things. they are very pricey. If they are going to private school, they might just be affording to go there, nevermind be able to buy clothes.

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