The west doesn't need feminism, it needs to move
Thank you for the debate. There seems to be a general misunderstanding about how the
pay differences occur. It is not simply the boss says Larry gets $20 an hour and Tina
gets $10 an hour. It is more complex than that. The base salary for example can be
negotiated. And it is legal. It just so happens that women tend to get paid less of
a base salary than men. When the women ask for more, studies {and there are studies]
show they are viewed negatively for asking for a higher starting base salary. If a
man asks for more, he is usually viewed in a positive way. http://www.news.com.au...
This is one of the ways that the pay gap occurs. As pointed out in my previous response,
when women join an industry in huge numbers, the pay of everyone goes down. That is
legal and it is linked to gender. There is also the issue of blind resumes. Studies
have shown that when the name is removed from the resume {so one can't tell if the
name indicates a woman or that the person is likely not to be white} those people
are more likely to get called in for an interview. Actually the same resume, the only
difference is that one is a man and one is a woman and the man will get called in
more. This link is specific to science but it exists in other sectors. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...
I would remind people that there is also a promotional gap in every single industry
even where there are far more women. I would also note that there are in fact studies
that do factor in women taking time off work {post the recovery time} to have children,
etc. {I would also point out that the fact that women are the ones that usually take
extended time off and not the men is viewed by some as a gender issue as well. Yes,
women do need time to recover after birth but women are the ones that usually stay
home to look after the kids over the long-term. This is viewed as a gender bias by
some. Why is it assumed that the woman should have to stay home because it is viewed
as a woman's job. This impacts her ability to work outside of the house. I would point
out that the link included in my previous response includes studies that a} show women
being paid less than men for the same job, despite the law. B} The fact that some
men work more hours has actually been taken into account but the studies still find
a pay gap. If a person wants to believe there is no gap that is one thing but if a
person claims that there are no studies showing that there is a gap that is simply
not true. I do agree that women who choose to stay home or quit their jobs for their
family can be criticised by some feminists. And I do think that is unfair. What I
am curious to know is why there is such a resistance to accepting what studies do
show? There is gap and there is still big discrimination. I would love to know why
some {not all} men refuse to accept there is a gap? The problems facing men and women
like poverty and unemployment are not caused because of Studies have shown that when the name is removed from the resume {so one can't tell
if the name indicates a woman or that the person is likely not to be white} those
people are more likely to get called in for an interview. Actually the same resume, the only difference is that one is a man and one is a woman
and the man will get called in more. This link is specific to science but it exists
in other sectors. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com... I would remind people that
there is also a promotional gap in every single industry even where there are far
more women. I would also note that there are in fact studies that do factor in women
taking time off work {post the recovery time} to have children, etc. {I would also
point out that the fact that women are the ones that usually take extended time off
and not the men is viewed by some as a gender issue as well. Yes, women do need time
to recover after birth but women are the ones that usually stay home to look after
the kids over the long-term. This is viewed as a gender bias by some. Why is it assumed
that the woman should have to stay home because it is viewed as a woman's job. This
impacts her ability to work outside of the house. I would point out that the link
included in my previous response includes studies that a} show women being paid less
than men for the same job, despite the law. B} The fact that some men work more hours
has actually been taken into account but the studies still find a pay gap. If a person wants to believe there is no gap that is one thing but if a person claims
that there are no studies showing that there is a gap that is simply not true. I do
agree that women who choose to stay home or quit their jobs for their family can be
criticised by some feminists. And I do think that is unfair. What I am curious to
know is why there is such a resistance to accepting what studies do show? There is
gap and there is still big discrimination. I would love to know why some {not all}
men refuse to accept there is a gap? The problems facing men and women like poverty
and unemployment are not caused because of feminism for the record. I would also point out that the claim she made about American women
being the most free and liberated in the world can be seriously questioned. The abortion
debates would show otherwise. The lower level of women in higher positions compared
to some other countries. The lower social mobility in America {for both men and women}
is lower than some other countries. Therefore, I would disagree with the claim that
women in the US are the most free and liberated.
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