• CON

    Although human can be the first cause but there are many...

    humans/climate change are the cause for honey bees disappearing

    Yes , exactly the population of bees is declining every year. Although human can be the first cause but there are many other reasons for this deterioration. The two parasites TRACHEAL and VARROA MITES are also effecting the bees. Both of them are effecting the bees internally and externally respectively and the solution of the problem is still under question. The electromagnetic radiations of cell phones attract the bees which damages there navigation and hence they are not able to locate back to their home . Technology finds a solution for everything and if this technology helps us as well as harms our environment the scientists should consider it and also find some successful solutions for the negative side effects.

  • PRO

    As for the cellphone argument I would like to see some...

    humans/climate change are the cause for honey bees disappearing

    In regards to varroa mites and tracheal infections that is an understatement. They are a huge huge part in the decline of bees. As a beekeeper I have seen the damage first hand. But my biggest argument is that these mites and diseases are a result on our global economy. Honey bees in the areas where these diseases/mites were at one point immune to these. But with the importing and exporting of goods, along with our reliance on a handful of bee breeds (which man bred) has made the bees more susceptible to disease and made the disease/mites a worldwide problem. As for the cellphone argument I would like to see some supporting evidence. as far as I know the research done recently has debunked that hypothesis. Their was a study where bees under powerlines were having trouble finding their way home. But that was only the hives directly under, which with that much electricity and bees uncanny and unknown sense of direction and navigation, its no surprise. the amount of electromagnetism from a cell phone or a few cell phones doesn't amount to enough to confuse a handful of bees let alone the trillions and trillions that have disappeared. as for finding a technical solution to the problem that is not the answer. we have been doing that by genetically modifying crops and coming out with new medicines to give our bees. But once the varroa mites or infections become resistant we have to develop a new cure to compound onto the many we are already using. which is itself a huge stressor for the bees and is part of their decline. we need to find a solution and im afraid technology is the cause not the answer

  • CON

    But if you lose too many, at some point, the whole plane...

    humans/climate change are the cause for honey bees disappearing

    Technology , actually during 1950's we were not even aware of the machines , inventions etc. There were superstitions about most of the things which technology proved detrimental . Actually its not a single person responsible for this declining bee species its the whole world. "To borrow an old analogy that Paul Ehrlich often used, with the wild pollinators, losing a species is a bit like losing screws in a plane . If you lose a few here or there, it's not the end of the world, and your plane can still fly. But if you lose too many, at some point, the whole plane can suddenly come apart in mid-flight." said Berenbaum. That's what we call an exact answer . Not all the species are under danger but only a few . If people are so much concerned for bees then they should stop using the technology and find some peaceful ways , it would be a pleasure working with such people but the point is , aren't these people using technology ? half environment care takers or technology haters are using cell phones (harmful for bees ) thats again technology , other half are exploiting the environment and pretending being environment carers . The point is obtaining every thing at a single time is not possible , its we who decide not the technology .

  • PRO

    History shows that energy demand keeps growing even in...

    Climate change is best solved by energy efficiency, not CCS

    Vaclav Smil, PhD, Distinguished Professor in the Faculty of Environment at the University of Manitoba, stated the following in his May 2006 statement "Energy at the Crossroads," during the Conference on Scientific Challenges for Energy Research in Paris, available at www.home.cc.umanitoba.ca: "The obvious question is why it should be even attempted given the fact that a 10% reduction in CO2 emissions could be achieved by several more rational, mature and readily available adjustments... [T]technical fixes cannot provide a lasting resolution. History shows that energy demand keeps growing even in the most energy-saturated affluent societies: encouraging worldwide diffusion of this trend (new China, and then India, aspiring to replicate the US) and trying to fill the supply through scientific and engineering ingenuity is not a formula compatible with maintaining a viable biosphere. Obviously, poor countries need more energy; but the rich ones should, sooner, rather than later, think about engineering rational reductions in energy use. All economies are just subsystems of the biosphere and the first law of ecology is that no trees grow to heaven. If we are not going to engineer thoughtful, gradual reductions, we run a considerable risk that the biosphere may do the scaling-down for us in a much less desirable (if not catastrophic) manner."

  • CON

    Oh now I have to be a scientist to even speak on the...

    Global Climate Change is a problem and needs to be addressed.

    Oh now I have to be a scientist to even speak on the subject. And of course you give a source which is the word of god and cannot be refuted in any way. Your sources just like mine are worthless except your sources aren't because you of course went to a class. And you also believe in people who tout hydrogen as the next great fuel source. You discredit all of my sources in the a typical environmentalist manner, Politics or it is bought and paid for by some greedy corporation or go as far to reject it by the political affiliation of the Governor of some state. How pathetic. If all of my sources and evidence are going to be rejected because of political reasons then yours are all just as worthless for the same reasons. The only difference is I provide more thorough and reviewed research that makes yours look foolish.

  • PRO

    Global warming is already occurring and there are no...

    Irreversible climate change makes geoengineering unavoidable.

    There is a good chance that global warming is irreversible. Global warming is already occurring and there are no plans to reduce greenhouse gases that are already in the atmosphere. Greenhouse gas levels will continue to rise, despite reductions in new emissions. Geoengineering, therefore, is the likely last resort.

  • PRO

    In the case of climate data, it is used as a basis for...

    Governments should require that funded climate data be posted

    My case for requiring the posting of publicly-funded data related to climate research boils down to three points: C1. It will allow review of the data for error by other scientists. C2. It will put peer pressure on the originating scientists to use better methodologies, such as software configuration control. C3. The public has a right to the products of work paid for by taxpayers. Con did not address any of my three points. Instead, he introduced two negative contentions. N1. Pro claimed that public controversy would continue regardless of whether data is disclosed or not. I never claimed that disclosure would end public controversy. I don't doubt that there are people among the public who will not alter their positions regardless of what is revealed. We should not care about that. Dissent is protected, even if it is not well-founded. However, until there is disclosure of what climate crisis advocates have done, there is no possibility of achieving a consensus on it, either by the public or among scientists. We may not ever get a public consensus, but there is a possibility of getting closer agreement among scientists. That will not happen until disclosure of research data and methods is accomplished. N2. Con goes on to claim, "I will show how unlimited public access to all, and especially preliminary data will only serve to further fire the flames of rhetoric that serve to obscure what may well be the most crucial issue of our time." So for example, if the official position is that the earth is the center of the universe, allowing access to data that shows the earth revolves around the sun would similarly, "fire the flames of rhetoric that serve to obscure what may well be the most crucial issue of our time." "Our time" in that case being the Sixteenth Century. It is precisely because a scientific issue is important that data ought to be disclosed, not suppressed. Con implied I wanted "preliminary data" disclosed. The resolution makes it clear that disclosure of source data and processing software is required only one month *after* publication. No preliminary data need ever be disclosed. It sometimes happens that a particular line of scientific inquiry proves ultimately fruitless, in which case no results are published and nothing ever need be disclosed as a consequence. When a result is published it is believed by the originator to be reliable. In the case of climate data, it is used as a basis for public policy decisions. If it supposed to be the basis for decision making, then it is appropriate that the means by which it was derived be disclosed at that time, or soon thereafter. Returning to my contentions, to which Pro offered no rebuttals: C1. The revealed CRU e-mails show an intent to further subvert the peer review process. Peer review is performed by qualified scientists. Climate crisis advocates have a well-established pattern of attempting to conceal data. The most notorious example is the bogus "hockey stick" in which global temperature were claimed to have been stable for a thousand years, until they rose exponentially in the past few decades. The hockey stick graph was included in the 2001 IPCC report as proof of CO2 caused global warming. The graph was doubted from the outset, because it did not show the Medieval Warm Period or the Little Ice Age, major periods of natural climate variation. With enormous effort, skeptical scientists finally managed to extract the source data from those behind the hockey stick construction and to show the specific errors in data processing that produced the spurious result. Organizations such as the Harvard-Smithsonian Institute for Astrophysics subsequently conducted a massive review of the scientific literature and firmly established the existence of the past climate variations. The UN removed the hockey stick from the 2007 IPCC report. The process of uncovering and correcting the errors took close to a decade, because the originating scientists would not divulge their data or detailed methodology. CRU was heavily involved in preparing the data for the bogus hockey stick. The present resolution would prevent such concealment and would enable skeptical scientists to conduct a proper review of important research. The errors in the derivation of the hockey stick might have been revealed before it was included in the 2001 IPCC report. Currently there is considerable controversy over recent temperature data that show sharp recent temperature rises. Allegations include claims that much of the recent proof of global warming is derived from the rings of three trees in Siberia, which is claimed to be given a high weight in multiple sets of climate data. Originators of the data are extremely reluctant to reveal their data and methods. The current resolution would help resolve the issue. Note that NASA has refused to comply with FIA requests made in 2007. The present resolution would have required contemporaneous disclosure. C2. The accepted professional practice for industry is to use a software configuration control system. This is applied both to program code and to data files. So if one wishes to recover the results at some specific time in the past, the configuration control system will automatically reconstruct the software and data sets for the desired day. CRU could not do that, so they could not comply with FIA requests even if they wanted to. To my knowledge, no one has claimed that being unable to reproduce past results is an acceptable practice in the scientific world. Forcing immediate direct disclosure solves the problem in one sense, because outsiders can then track the data. However, once scientists at CRU and elsewhere realize they will be forced to disclose, by far the easiest way to comply is to do what they should have always done -- implement a configuration control system. The US military systematically requires its contractors to implement such systems, and they sometimes require that the government be able to access the system remotely in real time. In other words, the military does not allow disorganized software development. While the resolution does not require such high standards of scientists, the resolution strongly encourages improved practices. The benefit is that the taxpayers get higher quality work for their money. C3. Why has Con failed to address the public's right to get access to what they have paid for? I have allowed that there are certain exemptions to the general rule of disclosure. Climate research does not fit any category of exemption. FIA requests have not been denied under any claim of exemption, the requests are just arbitrarily delayed or ignored. The resolution would put an end to concealment through delaying tactics. The CRU e-mails include internal requests to destroy past e-mail files so they could not be uncovered by FIA requests. CRU also admits to having destroyed original climate data, although they claim they did so to save storage space. Immediate disclosure puts an end to the destruction of scientific data to conceal it. Any one of my three contentions is sufficient to support the resolution. So far Con has addressed none of them. The resolution is affirmed.

  • PRO

    Instead of having your immune system breaking down the...

    Picking boogers can help reverse climate change.

    Instead of having your immune system breaking down the boogers in your nose, Which only costs extra energy for your body which in turn has to be replenished by you eating extra food just because, You could just aswell pick your boogers and recycle them back into nature and in doing so save on our environment by reducing the need for extra food to grow which at the end of the day only takes it's toll on our environment on account of the extra fossile fuel needed to harvest, Process and distribute said food to our grocery stores.

  • CON

    I hold firmly that the risk of damage to the nose and...

    Picking boogers can help reverse climate change.

    I hold firmly that the risk of damage to the nose and possible infection outweigh any benefit as treating these conditions would use medical supplies - which have the issue with their environmental impact as that of food. A great poem as well. Thanks

  • CON

    For example, Picking your nose with dirty fingers or...

    Picking boogers can help reverse climate change.

    There are negatives to the action which I believe outweigh the potential environmental benefit. For example, Picking your nose with dirty fingers or fingernails may increase risks of infection. In very rare cases a person may suffer from rhinotillexomania which is an addiction of picking your nose which, In turn, Causes anxiety. Additionally, Frequent or repetitive picking can damage your nasal cavity. Regular nose-picking may damage the septum and even cause a hole. If infection were to occur, It would cause even more energy to be used. A study found that whilst fighting an active infection (worse than the destruction of snot), A 175lb man would need 250 calories in order to have an effective immune system. This would amount to a tiny amount of food in real terms, Making the ecological impact minuet. Sources: British Society for Immunology (https://www. Immunology. Org) Faculty of Medicine at the University of Queensland, Australia (https://medicine. Uq. Edu. Au) US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health National Center for Biotechnology Information (https://www. Ncbi. Nlm. Nih. Gov/)