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  • CON

    The not-so-recognized reasons are: Family courts, Family...

    Modern western nations have birth rates below replacement levels, Feminism is the cause.

    First, I correlate certain things with feminism: Abortion and birth control are obvious reasons, I equate them as products of feminism. The not-so-recognized reasons are: Family courts, Family courts favoring the mother for custody eighty percent of the time, A detachment from family customs and heritage/legacy due to lack of biological fathers raising kids, Therefore and as well a lack of a cultural and cohesive identity. Women being told for decades by popular media and academia that motherhood is a sub par job and equating it to oppression. Domestic violence accusations by vindictive or jealous narcissistic partners are to be believed at the moment of allegations by police and later by prosecutors where an order of protection/restraining order is granted at a whims notice, Such issues effect the defendant's rights to own a gun and effects the outcomes of parental custody rights to their children. There are a myriad of other reasons why birth rates are low, One example is women waiting to have children after college and their career has started, They usually have just one on average. Birth control also has been known to cause infertility at quite an alarming rate. Men have stopped pursuing women for a myriad of reasons as well, The post metoo environment has caused men to retreat from the dating scene for mere self preservation. Porn is a huge benifactor to low birth rates as well, Its safer and easier than risking it all in the dating and marriage scene in the west. Porn itself is also and obviously a symptom of feminism, Ironically most feminist hate porn as well as traditional conservatives. . . . Just a little irony there. What do you think? Please point out any fallacies in my hypothesis.

  • PRO

    2.Evidence for a bias in Nutrition and Health care The...

    Feminism is a poisonous belief system that needs to be done away with.

    Thank you for your rebuttal! I understand that I have taken entirely to long to answer this. So should time run out, I encourage you to place your final closing argument in the comments section. I sincerely apologize. I had no intention of "running out the clock" so to speak. Egalitarian as described by Merriam Webster: : aiming for equal wealth, status, etc., for all people. Feminism as described by Merriam Webster's dictionary: organized activity in support of women's rights and interests. To be sure, I am completely aware of the terms I am using and advocating. I also tend to believe you were using this point as a way to undermine my credibility. I would ask the voters to notice this. As far as your view of historical and global feminism goes, I seriously disagree. I would go so far as to say Feminism has succeeded in a vast majority of the world. Hence, my desire to se a change to the Egalitarian movement. And definitions and uses of words change over time to reflect their current meanings. A quick example if I may, Just because the Spartans were considered the greatest warriors of their time does not mean we should arm any current military with spears. The same holds true for feminism. In it's time it did great things for equality. We must now move on. 1.Nature of equality rebuttal I agree with this, if someone is handicapped than we should most certainly help them achieve everything a fully functional human being would if it were in our power. To do nothing would be a complete and heinous moral misstep. However, in this statement of yours you have, without knowing it uncovered the blatant doublethink of the modern Feminist movement. Are women weak or strong? You say that women have a "handicap" which needs to be overcome which I find a bit misogynistic in and of itself. Women are better at some things than men are and men are better than some things than women. This does not, however immediately show a lack of equality. Women's bodies go through a great deal in child birth, yes. However I fail to see what this has to do with a quest for equality. Women give birth, and currently they are the only ones in the US, who have any choice about reproducing. A woman can get an abortion, or a woman can take birth control. Men do not have that luxury. Women and only women can choose whether a man must be a father. and if he refuses to take care of his child he is thrown into debtors prison. (Something that was supposedly done away with hundreds of years ago.) until he can or is willing to pay child support. I'm sorry I do not see where women get the short end of the stick in this scenario. Any other point you were trying to make with this entry I am missing. I do not see how having the ability to make babies immediately translates out to a handicap. 2.Evidence for a bias in Nutrition and Health care The India Stat article was the only one I was able to open as the other page had 404'd I would like to take an excerpt from the conclusion of the paper that you pasted here as proof. *However, there appears to less discrimination against the girls in terms of nutritional status. In fact there appears to be greater malnutrition amongst the boys* As far as the mortality rates are concerned they bob back and forth between male and female based on ages. I see no discrimination here. What I see is hurting children that need food desperately. I encourage the voters to read the evidence posted in these findings. **When you are talking about male genital mutilation I seriously hope you don't mean circumcision. The removal of the foreskin does not impair a males sexual function in any way, and is a widely recommended procedure even by modern doctors** I most certainly AM talking about circumcision, how dare you belittle the suffering of any child. Female genital mutilation is very wrong and it is a terrible practice. Male genital mutilation is just as wrong and SIGNIFICANTLY more widely practiced. I am not here to get into a word war about which procedure does the most damage. What I am trying to show is that both sexes go through this terrible procedure. and it should stop for both sexes. As far as a circumcision being recommended. No it isn't. again you will need to provide information. I have never heard of any modern doctor anywhere recommending this act. **Bride Burning** At the risk of sounding callous. I understand this is a problem. I also understand that your government is working on it. At this point this is a race to stop heinous practices. Since it is illegal, and your society is taking a stand to stop it. I cannot speak more on this issue because I am not and have never been involved in your countries culture. This leaves me at a severe disadvantage. **Under-representation of women in Parliaments.** Lets take a look at one of these feminist Utopias shall we? "A Brief History of Swedish Sex: How the Nation that Gave Us Free Love Redefined Rape and Declared War on Julian Assange" It cost just "5 from Amazon. The book gives a chronological account of how Sweden was transformed from being a so called Utopian "liberal democracy" into a modern day totalitarian witchocracy. It is a destiny that Australia is frighteningly staring down the barrel of unless the political and legislative classes there can miraculously find the courage to stand up for common sense. Sweden is a showpiece example of how ridiculously scary Radical Feminist rule is and how Sweden is an international embarrassment. Hotel workers there are trained to spy on their guests in case they should indulge in any untoward sexual activity. To be male is to be regarded by some as equivalent to Taliban terrorism. A girl being teased on a school bus can try to claim rape because she thought the boys" willies stood up. Leading Swedish Radfem academics, Professor Christian Diesen and Eva Diesen from Stockholm University published a book calling, not for 200 men to be convicted of rape each year but 25,000. "The average Swedish man should ideally spend a year of his life in gaol [jail] due to poor sexual interaction with women." In the blind insanity amongst the political classes the drive for "one upmanship" has left Swedish citizens with no electoral choices as the different political parties seek to show off who can be more feminist by calling for ever stiffer penalties against men only. Sex is not illegal to sell, only to be perceived to buy. The dark tide of tyranny, directed at a single sex has created a misandric paradigm that can only be described as psychotic as the Nazis or Stalinists ever were. Sweden is a dream society for radfems where a man, accused of rape, has to prove his innocence. Anyone with an ounce of logic will know that to prove a non-event is extremely difficult. So why is Sweden like this? The answer is, of course that when the feminist movement gets into power. It is never the equal rights seeking peace lovers that make it there. it is the Radical Feminists. I show you this to show the importance of the Egalitarian movement. **Domestic Violence** I find it interesting that you are absolutely determined to make DV an issue only to women and show only men as the perpetrators. I have never said people are not violent. What I have said is that it is a two way street. Yes, Sharia'a law is backwards and ignorant. However it doesn't make this a male only problem. I'm also going to bring up something that you might not have ever considered. What if, just MAYBE men in these countries didn't report domestic violence against themselves because they would be considered weak for it. Having been to both Iraq and Afghanistan I can guarantee that most males who live in a society that practices Sharia'a law would never do this. When discussing cultures like this you have to look at both sides of the coin and bring up societal normalities such as the gender stereotype of the men having to be the "Big tough provider" **These cases serve to illustrate what a wide spread problem domestic Violence is in the world. Even if 70% of the initiators are women in the US, we must consider the fact that they are physically weaker also.** Really? Must we? Here in the south we have a phrase for a little guy who tries to pick a fight with a much bigger person. We call him an idiot. And I don't see any reason to to treat a woman any differently. (we're going for equality here right?) If a woman steps up and strikes a man on the jaw, I would say she should be ready for a counter strike. Whether she is weaker or not ceases to be an issue. She initiated contact and she will be the one to pay the consequences for her actions. Conclusion: If we want equality, we must be Egalitarians. A world where one gender is carried around on the shoulders of the other gender is not equal. It is privileged. I propose that instead of affirmative action which degrades a woman's ability to conduct herself as a completely independent and competent member of society we take up the rallying cry of equality for all. One final point. Feminism is anti-democratic. It wants to silence all opposition, and has no respect at all for the principles of free speech that are essential for liberty. Why is it so insecure? Why does it fear, that if people hear alternatives points of view, they won't subscribe to it's ideology, if it's ideology is so wonderful? (brettcaton) I suspect it's in the position of the Catholic Church, determinedly arresting anyone who pointed out that the Earth is not the centre of the universe. 1. http://brettcaton.blogspot.com.au... I would like to thank my opponent for a very interesting debate and would like to thank all who have read and voted. Very Respectfully, -Whiteraven252

  • PRO

    But there are also many real feminists who really believe...

    Feminism

    Those people you are talking about are not real feminists, which I was saying in my first post. The real feminists are the people who believe in equality, not overpowering. I know that there are many people who call themselves feminists when they are really not, they have made real feminists seem like they are controlling, man haters. But there are also many real feminists who really believe in equality. Like Emma Watson, who has made numerous speeches for change in not just the U.S. but the whole world. People like her are real feminists who try to make a change.

  • CON

    This is rape culture," again,, a culture that does not...

    Modern Feminism

    If I'm the problem, then it sounds like truth is the problem. The reason they make .77 cents for every dollar a man makes, is because not as many women are in the work force as men, simply because they are full time mothers, which that in itself is a very tough job, as well as the ones who live off of men who work full time or more, and simply choose to sit around and live an easy life, or even the ones who collect welfare and child support and work the system like a blood sucking leech to make ends meets. You know, the ones that make me scared to get married for fear of losing half of what i own and in the process losing much of the money that i work for. We've never had a woman president because they simply are not good enough as politicians to acquire the position, not the fact that they are a woman, it's the fact that they are not qualified for the job. Same thing for congress and senate, its because they don't meet the requirements necessary to win the job. It has nothing to do with their gender. Nobody hates on women or treats them in such a way that they wouldn't vote for them, it's that less women run, and the ones who do obviously do not cut it. That is not inequality, that is people voting for the superior candidate, the fact that women do get positions in senate and congress means they probably did beat some men because they are more qualified than the men who ran. As for my rebuttal to your second argument: it doesn't exist. Those television advertisements are makeup companies and clothing company's trying to get their product out there for people to buy, it's a little word known as, "advertisement" and it is in no way attempting to objectify women, if that is how you choose to interpret it, than that is you and your self-confidence. Simple over thinking and low self esteem and more than likely, young age, are the biggest culprits at fault here to blame for your interpretation. As for a 12 year old wearing yoga pants, that is an issue with their parents, parents should not let their daughters walk around dressed like that if they are at all concerned about that, also, the only 50 year old men that i have heard about checking out under aged girls are perverts who deserve, if not already are, in prison. I'm sorry for you and your sisters troubles, but again, that has to do with your age and low self esteem, maybe it was your parents or the way you were raised, or even another issue i don't know about, but it most likely was you at fault for that. "It is the fight to be treated with respect," you mean, disregarding the copious amounts of respect they already have, right? Please keep in mind that the definition of rape is, "unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part or foreign object, without the consent of the victim." So simple comments, or whistling or whatever, is not rape, and in a lot of cases, not signaling rape, granted the few exceptions to that when a pervert or mentally ill person or, like you and me both stated, intoxicated individuals is trying for that. Actual rape is committed by a criminal, typically in a bad place at a bad time, every man i know would stop a rape and send the guy committing it (if it was a guy) to hell. Men who whistle or say things like that are typically immature and typically don't know the right way to get to know a woman, the oppression you feel is most definitely not the oppression that you face, it is the oppression that you imagine. As for a casual greeting on the street, it really could be a member of the community saying hello, or someone who is fairly extroverted looking to make conversation to trying to interact with the environment and the people in it. Again, feminism is a fight against imaginary oppression. "This is rape culture," again,, a culture that does not exist. Women do have more emotions than men, that is where biology trumps ideology. The fact that women have menstrual cycles and more hormones. I wouldn't quite call it crazy, it is science, science that is the contradiction of everything you just wrote about the word hysterical, notice how you said that it does not happen anymore (not hysterectomy's, women being called insane and being forced to have one) it doesn't happen anymore, because science has developed and we know that the belief is illogical. Notice how you said it used to happen in the 19th century, before we had something known as, "women's suffrage." Science has developed and we no know that is not true. Video games that rape? you mean the illicit ones that are banned? or the ones that don't exist? If there is a video game that depicts rape or sex or something, it most likely is for the story line and is a part of a characters personality, no one is advising or condoning rape, and no one is thinking about committing it or taking part in a rape. Courts that protect rapists? It takes a real vivid imagination for someone to think a man accused of rape has any chance at making it through the legal system without being in jail or prison, including men who get falsely accused of rap, then you truly have never seen a real life involving a man on trial for rape. What she was wearing, can be relevant, in some situations, rapists are the lowest form of life, in prison they get punished for what they did both legally and physically by other prisoners, what they get in prison is what they deserve. I would like to prod something from another angle, men getting raped. It happens, men get raped by women, especially under aged guys getting raped by a woman, or by another man. Men do get raped too, and it does just as much damage to them mentally as it does women, rape is not gender specific. Like i pointed out in last paragraph, men who go to prison for rape, regardless of if they did it or not, get raped. They get the living daylights beaten out of them, they have to forever register as a sex offender, again, regardless of if they did it or not. The catholic priest touching little boy joke didn't come from no where, in fact there is some truth to that. It's not specific to priests either, it happens in a lot of places. When men get raped by women, they are told they are strange/gay and that they should have liked it. Whats that? That never happens? The recent case of molly Shattuck says other wise. In fact this proves my point, that women are favored when it comes to legal issues, because she is only spending 48 weekends in jail for this disgusting act. No, not weeks, weekends. If we were to flip this situation around, and a guy were to preform an illegal sex act on a girl like this, then he would be serving way more time in prison. Which brings me to the point that, women get easier sentences and men will always receive a harsher punishment for the same crime. Another thing i would like to discuss would be false rape accusations. They happen, a lot. I personally know a few different guys who got in trouble off of a simple accusation and were, in fact, held guilty until proven innocent. This is becoming a huge issue, it completely screws them over, for a long time. First, they go through their sentence in jail or prison, with people thinking they actually did it, so naturally, they get treated like someone who did it. Again, look up or watch a documentary or ask someone who has seen it, you will find all you need to know and more. Then, they have to get out of jail and everyone around them thinks that about them, plus they have to be registered. All because some girl got a little pissed off and wanted something awful to happen to him, or whatever their reason was. It ruins lives, and it is overlooked, a lot. Go ahead and tell me that there is a good reason for it to happen, because there is no logical reason for a man who did not commit rape to go to jail for rape. I enjoyed your arguments, and hope to see another, good luck next round.

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      feminism: 15.43
      conclusion: 11.41 (boost 1.50, idf 5.97, tfNorm 1.27)
      premises: 2.17 (idf 5.90, tfNorm 0.37)
      sourceText: 1.85 (boost 0.20, idf 4.68, tfNorm 1.98)
  • CON

    I'm talking about how a large is amount of feminist are...

    feminism

    I'm talking about how a large is amount of feminist are attacking men like for example hepeating, hep eating, man spreading, toxic masculinity. but also you say you notice what im talking about then start talking about a diffent thing, so could you also explain your veiws a bit more?

  • CON

    men have a much high skid rate and assault charges but...

    feminism

    honestly if any ones oppressed its men the British board laugh at the idea of talking about men's problem. feminist clothing is every were but one Mra peace of clothing and they go to boycott. men have a much high skid rate and assault charges but all we hear about is women's harassment and sexual assault(which is bad but the point still stands). women have several legal rights over children than men tell me. in what ways are women oppressed