• PRO

    My opponent has made an argument fallacy from personal...

    Private Schools Should Have Their Students Wear Uniforms

    Yes, my opponent has pin-pointed the central cause to self consciousness, or rather, he has pin-pointed the scientific explanation for self consciousness; he has not however, affectively refuted the fact students who cannot keep up with the latest trends or wear quality clothing are going to be more likely to feel self consciousness about themselves. My opponent didn’t actually refute that these factors may cause self consciousness, rather he attempted to refute the factors that cause self consciousness by giving the explanation as to why those factors cause self consciousness. My opponent’s argument may go as follows: P1. Not keeping up with the latest trends or wearing low quality clothing may cause self consciousness. P2. This self consciousness is explained by hormones. C1. Therefore hormones cause self consciousness, and not any other factor. This logic though, is flawed in that premise two only provides an explanation for premise one, whereas my opponent assumes that premise two follows premise one and thus leads to the conclusion. Since premise two does not lead into the conclusion, the conclusion therefore is also flawed. A logically sound argument when be provided like so: P1. Not keeping up with the latest trends or wearing low quality clothing may cause self consciousness, which is explained by hormones. C1. Therefore not keeping up with the latest trends or wearing low quality clothing is a factor explaining self consciousness among some teens. Biased source? My opponent makes the claim that my source is biased because it is a website that sells school uniforms. This is not an adequate basis for dismissing my source. Just because a source may be potentially biased does not mean that the source is wrong. Until my opponent can show that the information the source itself provides is flawed, the source should be used to support my argument. 2. My opponent has made an argument fallacy from personal experience. Since personal experience cannot be trusted as a legitimate source or even a norm, my opponent’s argument is therefore null. The fact remains that students may be distracted by the free dress clothing of other students. Implementing school uniforms eliminates this potential distraction. 3. My opponent drops this argument on the inadequate claim that my source is biased, without any proof that it is biased or any proof that the information within the source is flawed. In addition, the argument does not even require a source for proof, since it is an argument derived from logic and not from statistics. This argument can be considered dropped by my opponent. 4. It is irrelevant whether and actual instance has occurred in which a man intrudes onto a school campus and is not identified because there is no uniforms policy (although I am sure something like this as happened). What is relevant is that such a thing can happen, and this has been recognized by school administrators also. [1] The existence of cliques and gangs however, may be deterred in that school uniforms will make them look physically equal to everyone around them, as opposed to them using clothing (such as bandanas with certain colors in gangs) to off-set themselves from everyone else. 5. My opponent’s own argument works against him. He states, “They do not pick their targets based on what they wear, but whether if they can dominate and humiliate them.” What my opponent does not realize, is that bullies can easily take advantage of a student’s self consciousness over their clothing and use it against them therefore humiliating them. They use a student’s clothing in order to dominate that student. A bully will choose their victim to be a sub-assertive kid of course, but they can use the clothing of a sub-assertive kid as a way to bully that kid. Uniforms eliminate this problem. 6. My opponent claims that this argument contradicts arguments 1, 3, and 4, yet I do not see how any of those arguments are relevant to this one at all. Self expression and self identity is not a bad thing. The bad thing is judging others over what they wear, and not who they are. Implementing school uniforms eliminates problems and encourages students to express themselves in ways that are true to who they are, and allows students to base others off who they are and not what they own. My opponent wrongly states that students will always form into cliques and derogate others for not being a part of their click. Implementing school uniforms eliminates a material inequality among students, which is good because students should not base others off of material goods. 7. I read the entire report on school uniforms and student behavior and to put it quite bluntly, my opponent has misrepresented and falsely stated what study reports. For one, I am not arguing that school uniforms improve academic achievement, because they don’t. The study my opponent presented confirms the Long beach Study I presented, stating that the only flaw in it is that the study could have been in act for a few more years in order to draw a clearer correlation. In addition, the other study presented in the report also finds a correlation between school uniforms and reduced behavioral problems including less weapon related incidents and less incidents related to alcohol, drugs, and gangs. In particular, the studies found that bad behavior was reduced more in middle schools, as opposed to high schools. After looking through the entire source my opponent used to support his position, I found no mention of the study conducted by Michigan that finds no correlation between school uniforms and student behavior. I have used eight sources and about three studies proving that there is a correlation between school uniforms and a reduction in behavioral problems among student which contests with my opponent’s one study (which I couldn’t find in the source he presented) claiming there is no correlation. Just a reminder not to post any new arguments in the last round (standard debate conduct, although you may of course provide rebuttals) and I’d like to thank my opponent for a great debate. Over to you. 1. http://triblive.com...

  • PRO

    Uniform has practical benefits when students are outside...

    School Uniforms Should Be Mandatory

    Uniform has practical benefits when students are outside the school building.

    • https://debatewise.org/3367-school-uniforms-should-be-mandatory/
  • CON

    Rather than introduce school uniform, why not have a...

    School Uniforms Should Be Mandatory

    Rather than introduce school uniform, why not have a dress code instead?

    • https://debatewise.org/3367-school-uniforms-should-be-mandatory/
  • PRO

    Most school uniforms look like a suit so we look...

    Students Should Not Wear Uniforms At Memphis City And Shelby County Schools

    Thank and yes it can be in general. Students should be allowed to express themselves. Although I am only 12 I have a lot to say.If people wear school uniforms the school will look bold and boring like a prison where every one has to wear the same thing.If children have to where school uniform there style will disappear and there feelings will be more depressed because most school uniforms have dark colours which will make the people inside look sad. We should be able to express are own differences to show individuality and freedom. Most school uniforms look like a suit so we look educational yes mabye we do look like that but we are still children we are not 30 and ready to go to work every morning. Children feel they have nothing really to think about every thing is being told to them like stand straight, tuck in your shirt, this is to colourful, ect. Literally we all look like nerds the only thing that is mising is the glasses. The school uniforms are mostly uncomfortable and bad to play outside in the brake and they make you sweat a lot but if you cant take your sweat shirt of even if you are wearing a shirt and a tie underneath it will become more uncomfortable and if we try to switch it right in class we get told sit still and don't move. If we always get told to wear the same thing we will not know to well in the future if it is appropiate to to wear some things in public. What school may not know the children are divided int different groups and so what if you don't have the latest fashion trend you could just show yor cool personality but if we have school uniform we have only a limited way or no way to express our feelings or style. So I say no school uniform.

  • CON

    Students have the right to express themselves My oponent...

    Students should be required to wear school uniform.

    Thanks for a detailed reply! First I will be refuting my opponents 3 arguments (no, I don't agree with them), then I will be going back to strengthen my own. My opponents 1st argument was about how uniforms create an orderly enviornment. They also talk about an honor and pride to wear such uniforms This is completely wrong in this case. These uniform are not letting students to express themselves. My opponents show nothing in their case that expression is going to create a distruptive enviornment. Students have the right to express themselves My oponent also talks about first impression causes a popularity system in their 2nd argument However, There are other ways to see someone for the first time, not neccessarily their clothing. They can see people based on their hairstyle, and other characteristics. Their third argument is that the uniforms generate money to the government. However, Judge, you must see that this is completely non unique This can also be turned to my side of the debate. People without uniforms buy regular clothes and if they buy regular clothes ( my opponent says that there is a LOT more regular clothes than uniforms in the 2nd round) then shouldn't there be more tax being generated WITHOUT uniforms? Now I will strengthen my arguments My first argument is that it violates freedom of expression My opponent states that there is a hierarchy in the school However, my opponentes show no link to why this is harmful. If there is a hierarchy, (I am not agreeing to this) then the students who are low in the hierarchy can still learn. They are still getting an education, not harming anyone at all! My refutation against hierarchy earlier can be crossapplied. I stated that There are other ways to see someone for the first time, not neccessarily their clothing. They can see people based on their hairstyle, and other characteristics. My second argument was that uniforms are expensive and they cost $249 My opponent says that people buy way too many clothes, more than $249 First of all, many girls aren't that rich. There are many others that do not have more than $249 to spare. This leads me to their second refutation, which was that you only need to buy this once. I agree, you only need to buy this once...until you outgrow it. In almost one year, you have to buy another set, for another $249. If you wear uniforms since kindergarten to 12th grade, then $3,237 will be spend on uniforms alone for a whole student going to school. What if the family has more than one kid? If they have 2, it will be double, and if they have 3, the price would be tripled and so on and so forth. My opponent also talked about how this sustains the economy. Again, I will like to appy my previous refutation which is that One must see that this is completely non unique This can also be turned to my side of the debate. People without uniforms buy regular clothes and if they buy regular clothes ( my opponent says that there is a LOT more regular clothes than uniforms in the 2nd round) then shouldn't there be more tax being generated WITHOUT uniforms? They also talked about how schools can pay for us. However, this is wrong because school do not have that much money at hand My 3rd argument is that this cause bullying They state that students don't wear their uniforms outside of school. This is completely wrong! What do they wear once school ends? Do they go naked? (joke intended) People do walk to and from school. Obviously, they will meet rival members of another school, and since Students at my school hate students at a nearby school, some people would go into fistifights Since none of my opponents arguments stand, the CON/NEG should win Thank You

  • CON

    In order to start this debt, i believe it goes against...

    School Uniforms are not needed

    In order to start this debt, i believe it goes against the first amendment right of free speech that schools to a make a rule that restricts a person of being a symbol of who they are. I believe with all these school shootings that are happing that it turns out with a good idea but a person will conflict harm whether they "dress like a student in the uniform." Also for parents to pay more money, than that isn't making the life style any easier. If you have to buy certain types of items than those are items to upkeep and buy more of if an issue were to happen. As well as bullies will always find something to make a child's life horrible wether its how their face looks or if they like a certain thing. Bullies will always bully wether or not the dress code is enforced. As well as it could decrease the comfort level of how the student like wearing it because it's not comfortable or its stupid and it will keep being distracted. As well school isn't a prison even though there are similarities, such as what time you eat or were you are supposed to go at certain times, so enforcing kids to wear something they don't want that also makes them feel trapped such as a jail. I talked to a principle about his dress code and he supported it but also mentioned that it does effect the child's experince because of clubs that were school supported so the school dress code was still enforced at the clubs. (chess, math or science fairs) Also this is a good example of the tinker case.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniforms-are-not-needed/1/
  • PRO

    But if they all wear the same school uniforms, they can't...

    Students should wear school uniform.

    I think students should wear school uniforms. It is because in schools where students are allowed to wear whatever they want, there are school bullies that make fun of other students who may not have a good taste in fashion. But if they all wear the same school uniforms, they can't make fun of one anothers' fashion senses which prevents this type of bullying from happening. And also, if students can wear whatever they want, they might take a longer time to leave their houses for school due to taking too long to choose what they want to wear which may cause them to be late for school.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Students-should-wear-school-uniform./1/
  • PRO

    Schools that have a uniform often say that they do so...

    School uniforms contribute to the sense of school unity

    Schools that have a uniform often say that they do so because wearing a uniform helps their students feel a sense of unity and pride in their school (e.g., Sacred Heart Catholic School, 2010)[15]. The headmistress of Fulham Cross School in London, England, has been quoted as saying that introducing a uniform at her school gave students "an incredible sense of pride"; after the introduction of a school uniform, GCSE passes at her school rose from 42 to 53 per cent[16]. This sense of unity is especially important on school trips, where teachers need to be able to tell which children belong to their school, so that no one gets lost.  

  • PRO

    School uniforms CAN, in a way, stop bullying. ... For...

    Should Students Have To Wear Uniforms

    School uniforms CAN, in a way, stop bullying. For example, kid goes to school (he comes from the average middle class family) wearing his favorite mickey mouse T-shirt and red sweatpants. A bully walks by wearing HIS favorite Microsoft sweater and blue shorts. The bully looks at the kid, and starts making fun at him for his sense of fashion and what he wears. If the two kids were wearing the same thing, though, the bully would be unable to make fun of the kid without making fun of himself. Thanks for the debate.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Should-Students-Have-To-Wear-Uniforms/4/
  • CON

    Kids should not wear school uniforms. ... Children...

    Kids should wear uniforms

    Kids should not wear school uniforms. It teaches them from a young age that everyone should act the same, and dress the same. Children should be able to wear what they chose because it lets them determine who they are and what they are trying to become. We shouldn't decide that for them. It also takes away from their childhood. Let them be unaffected by the harsh reality that we always have someone telling us what do or what to wear. There will come a time when they are adults and will have jobs that will come with dress requirements, but right now let them be children. Let them explore and dress how they want.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Kids-should-wear-uniforms/1/