• CON

    I will counter this with an opinion of my own. ... [1]...

    Private Schools Should Have Their Students Wear Uniforms

    I will proceed to refute pro’s arguments. #1 Uniforms will not boost a student’s self-esteem. Insecurities among adolescents are caused by puberty. Every teen will go through it. It is hormones that cause self-consciousness, not clothes. Teens will always want to identify themselves, be it through clothing or other things. [1] I would also quickly like to point out that the source pro uses to back up his statistics is an online-shopping website for school uniforms. This is a biased source and therefore not legitimate evidence. #2 Pro doesn’t seem to have a source backing this claim up so I will assume it’s a personal opinion. I will counter this with an opinion of my own. I’m a high school student and I have never been so distracted by other people’s clothing that it interferes with my schoolwork. Frankly, I can’t say what’s so distracting by a sweater or a pair of jeans. And I highly doubt other teenagers are so distracted that a uniform system should be introduced. #3 Again pro, websites selling school uniforms are NOT valid sources. I will comment on the bullying in a short while. #4 I would like pro to give me some examples of bad scenarios that happened because the offender was not identified by anybody of the school security. Cliques and gangs will always exist among teenagers because hormones cause them to rebel against the status-quo. #5 According to Psychology Today bullies are often the result of bad parenting. They do not pick their targets based on what they wear, but whether if they can dominate and humiliate them. Sub-assertive classmates are often an easy target, for they will not fight back. An assertive person can wear the cheapest clothes and still fend off a potential bully. [2] #6 Pro says that students find different ways to express themselves because they lose the freedom to pick their own clothes. This contradicts arguments #1, #3 and #4. On the one hand he claims that cliques and gangs will be avoided and students will have a feeling of togetherness. How will this happen if students are going to express themselves through other things? As I already established teenagers will form their own identity and will derogate others for it. #7 The sources did not explain in which manner the uniforms prevented behavioral problems and reduced vandalism. Meanwhile, I have found a detailed report of a similar experiment in Michigan. Here, the data suggested no correlation between uniforms and academic improvements and reduced behavioral problems. [3] As we can see, there is no conclusive evidence suggesting anything pro claimed. Only circumstantial evidence. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org... [2] http://www.psychologytoday.com... [3] http://www.nmu.edu...

  • CON

    My opponent concedes that school uniforms aren't needed...

    Should Uniforms be Required in Public Schools

    -Opponent drops my distraction argument. Self-expression: My opponent has found a clever counter-plan to my problem. Good job. Yet students are still only limited to certain colors. Tsk-tsk! Changing the policy: Inexpensive?? They cost hundreds of dollars as I mentioned before. "Uniforms will not solve the problem of looking fat." Exactly! My opponent concedes that school uniforms aren't needed all the time. Agree/strongly agree. Why should we trust these parents and teachers? Why not add the students in as well? Even though parents know their children, they cannot speak for them. Neither can the teachers. Why are the statistics trustworthy? My opponent hasn't shown why this source doesn't commit the texas-sharpshooter fallacy. It doesn't show all 3 sides of the picture; we cannot know absolutely for sure these benefits and lack of harm are actually there. My opponent fails to rebut my doubt put into the benefits of (the other) school uniform statistic website.

  • PRO

    But this solution doesn't exist with modern day apparel...

    Whether students should wear uniforms Part 2

    Referring to your hostile "environment claim" school uniforms eliminate baggy clothing which eliminates any concealment of weaponry. Bullying will happen regardless, I am not stating that uniforms will prevent this horrible act, but instead it will at least lower it by a certain degree. There are a lot of measures to prevent bullying and this is a great way to start the prevention of it. They do not enforce an unrealistic expectation instead it helps students strive to be a lawyer or a doctor, someone with a certain type of professionalism. The stress of not having enough uniforms can be easily combated with my previous claim, buy them at discount prices. But this solution doesn't exist with modern day apparel because anyone would see that you bought something in the clearance isle and then you get bullied for it. Preventing schools from having uniforms is just taking a step back in the fight against bullying. Uniforms play no downside in the educational realm, and you claim it doesn't help, Statistics show that it at least does something and if that's all we got in this fight we should take it.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Whether-students-should-wear-uniforms-Part-2/1/
  • PRO

    But if the student is not wearing school uniform, then...

    Students should wear school uniform.

    I agree with you that allowing students to wear whatever they want helps them in their creativity and teaches them how to make their own decisions. But doing learning journeys, whenever a student gets lost, what if a teacher that the student does not know happens to walk past him? And if the teacher also does not know the student is from the same school? If the student is wearing school uniform, then the teacher would know that he is a student and help to bring back to his class. But if the student is not wearing school uniform, then the teacher would not know he is a student. Bullying does happen in schools if the students wear school uniforms or not, but at least for schools with uniforms, the victims of bullying will not have to worry about the clothes they wear which is one less thing to worry about as long as they keep their uniforms neat.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Students-should-wear-school-uniform./1/
  • PRO

    One could argue that that this is punishing the people...

    School Uniform Should be Compulsory

    I would like to begin by thanking Con for accepting this debate. Good luck. :) First I shall rebut the arguments my opponent made in Round 1. I forgot to mention this in the first round, But my stance on school uniforms is that they should be compulsory, But exceptions should be made if needed (sorry about this, I should have clarified myself earlier). My opponent mentioned that "if you mess up your uniform, You can get punished". This is neither something which I support, Nor something which occurs in primary or secondary schools (in my experience at least, Perhaps some schools which I have not attended do this). Life is unpredictable and schools recognise this. If a student accidentally damages his/her uniform, And they do not have any others (which they often do) they can (and should be able to): a) Obtain permission via a written note by their parents that excuses them from wearing the uniform until they can either purchase a new one or clean the old one, Or if this is not possible: b) Burrow a uniform from the school"s second hand uniform store (for free if necessary); note that all second hand uniform items are thoroughly cleaned before they are allowed to be used. You also mention liberal disciplines are the best discipline when it comes to what children wear at school. While I do agree that liberal disciplines are the best when it comes to (for example) what you want to wear to work as an adult (as long as you are not wearing anything inappropriate/offensive), I believe this because adults are (for the most part) responsible enough to pick appropriate clothing, And also treat other people with respect. However, I do not hold children to the same standard. Children come from various different families, And have families with various incomes. A major problem with not having school uniforms is that bullying can occur when a child with rich parents buys him expensive clothes to wear to school, And then that child acts hostile to children from lower income families who do not have clothes that are as "flashy". School uniforms places everyone on the same level, Thus eliminating discrimination based on what the children are wearing. One could argue that that this is punishing the people from higher income families just for being rich, But the problem is that these are children; not adults, And therefore it is likely that the children have done nothing to obtain the money which they have (there are exceptions to this of course). Another issue with giving children too much freedom in this aspect of their education is that children are still developing, And many (not all of course), Especially when they are younger, Do not understand that they should respect other people regardless of their wealth. Adults (with some exceptions) are more respectful to one another on average, And while there is bullying in the workplace (and this is a serious issue), It is not as common as bullying at school, And when it does occur it isn"t as often about clothes. In the same fashion, I believe that adults with nut allergies should be responsible enough to avoid food containing nuts in their daily lives, And there should not be a "nut ban" in the workplace. However, Children (particularly young children) are not as responsible, Which is why I support nut bans in school. I bring up this point to show how liberalism is important, But is not always the best idea for school children. The robot analogy my opponent brought up is a false equivalency, Because students only have to wear school uniforms when they are in school; not when they are at home or out with friends/family, So they do experience freedom: just not as much in school. Robots, On the other hand, Never experience freedom at all. In fact, Having a lack of freedom of choice in terms of what clothes to wear to school may make some people even happier when they earn more freedom after school. For school children, I believe that equality is more important than freedom. You mentioned the time factor. The issue with this is that having compulsory school uniform saves time, Not wastes it. This is because it eliminates any time required to choose clothes for school everyday; I mentioned the money factor earlier and, If given a choice, Some people may want to wear a variety of different clothes to school on different days as to not look financially disadvantaged, Which causes them to spend more time on picking clothes for school. You mention washing and ironing your clothes, But people generally have more than one school uniform, Which eliminates the need for washing and ironing their clothes every single day, Or if they cannot afford this, They can obtain uniforms from the second hand uniform shop at school. Also, Washing and ironing the clothes is done even if students do not wear school uniform. Thus, Having school uniforms does not waste the time of students, And may even save time. Another benefit of school uniforms is that it creates unity. You mentioned that we must feel at home when we are at school, And I would argue that school uniforms actually help to promote this, By creating a sense of unity. When everyone is wearing the same school uniform, It helps to make one"s peers more relatable and allows them to perhaps become friends with them more easily (this is especially beneficial in younger years when people are first developing their social skills). I mentioned earlier that a lack of school uniforms can create division between rich and poor people, As well as bullying, And it also causes someone wearing "poor" clothes to not be relatable to someone with "rich" clothes. Having common clothes causes nobody to feel like an outsider. In addition to this, School uniforms make students easily identifiable as being students of the school. In the past couple of years, There have been a few incidents in my city where adult sex offenders have come to high schools to abuse students. They were immediately recognised as not being students by teachers and chased off the school, Since there were not wearing uniform. If there was no uniform, The teachers could have thought that the offender was just a senior high school student, And would not realise their dangerous intent until later. I admit that this is something that does not happen often, But when it does, Having uniforms are always the best policy for student safety. Therefore, School uniforms benefit school children as they allow for equality, Unity, A safer environment, And they save time for children.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniform-Should-be-Compulsory/1/
  • PRO

    When wearing a school uniform, students are less likely...

    High School / Secondary school Students should be required to wear a uniform

    I would like to thank my opponent for his or her sourced arguments. You have thoroughly shown how uniforms and bad behavior are connected, but I do not believe that this is the case. When wearing a school uniform, students are less likely to misbehave as they are representing their school. (1) It is proven that students who wear uniforms are less likely to be truant and leave during the school day, as they can be easily spotted in town. (2) I understand your point that not all teenagers judge others based on clothes, but the majority of teenagers do feel outcast at school at some point, and have low self esteems. 7 in 10 high school girls believe that they do not measure up to other girls in their grade, mostly due to appearance. (3) This shows that uniforms would benefit the majority of female students, therefore making it a beneficial stance for schools to take. Low self esteem in students can lead to more than it may seem. I quote: "75% of girls with low self-esteem reported engaging in negative activities such as disordered eating, cutting, bullying, smoking, or drinking when feeling badly about themselves (compared to 25% of girls with high self-esteem)." (3) http://www.articlesdot.net... http://www.guardian.co.uk... http://www.dosomething.org...

  • PRO

    Dress Codes instead of school uniform

    Ban School Uniforms - Junior

    Dress Codes instead of school uniform

  • CON

    There is no good evidence that links school uniform to...

    School Uniforms Should Be Mandatory

    There is no good evidence that links school uniform to improved results.

    • https://debatewise.org/3367-school-uniforms-should-be-mandatory/
  • CON

    Wearing a school uniform is not good preparation for...

    School Uniforms Should Be Mandatory

    Wearing a school uniform is not good preparation for working.

    • https://debatewise.org/3367-school-uniforms-should-be-mandatory/
  • CON

    Don't make it WORSE by telling this poor, tight budgeted...

    school unifroms should not be banned

    Again, EXTRA money has to be spent for said uniforms! Why not let a family have their kid wear what they ALREADY HAVE? If I had a kid and a school suddenly said uniforms are mandatory, I would be mad as hell as would others because NOW, MORE money has to be spent! You CAN make kids not bully. It IS possible. Have rules and discipline in place. It is that simple. Also, I am sorry, but your sources are awful. That was what seems to be an opinion of a random charter school. That has NO research backing ANY of what it stated. The second source is a shopping website for uniforms. I may as well send you THESE links. https://www.tccd.edu... http://www.hottopic.com... One is a school website for a COLLEGE. Which when kids join, there is usually NO uniforms at all. The other is a clothes website. Do these prove ANYTHING to you? SO WHAT if a kid goes to school dressing like the family can't afford that good of clothing! Teach kids to STFU about it and accept it. Don't make it WORSE by telling this poor, tight budgeted family that they must make their budget TIGHTER because of uniforms! As for identification, nametags! Hats! Special shirts for the occasion! Bracelets! It isn't hard to come up with other ways. GET RID of the pressure to wear stylish clothing. Teach kids it's not worth it! It's all overrated BS. Eliminate the SOURCE of the problem! The source isn't what people wear, but rather peoples' attitudes. As for kids that arrange clothes before they sleep, now, like they will in college, they have a CHOICE of what to wear. And they can choose. If they are taught not to care or be picky about their clothing, then NO, it won't take that long.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/school-unifroms-should-not-be-banned/1/