• PRO

    If kids can't afford designer clothes, they could just go...

    Uniforms or not

    Hello, wooferalot. I will pick apart your points individually. You said: "In a disaster, it would be hard to get identified quickly because everyone looks the same." Actually, they could all move in a group and infiltrators could easily be spotted. And we are not arguing a universal uniform. I am arguing a strict drees code. There is a difference. "Some family's can't even afford the uniform that the school would want." Some families cant afford the desinger clothes that are all the latest fads, so lets not stray away from the main topic that much. "If a kid is in elementry school, they will want to wear what they want." That is a complete generalization. I know elementary kids that wear cardigan sweaters and they like it and it is the universal dress code. "When they are older, the clothes that they wanted to wear will not fit them when they are an adult." By fit I assume you mean are suitable, as opposed to actually physically fitting them. There are may jobs that let you wear what you want. There are also jobs that have something called "casual friday." "If kids can't afford designer clothes, they could just go to some place like gap, old navy, or walmart etc..." Most gap stuff is designer, and is quite fashionable, as is old navy. I concede walmart to you. "Some kids like to express themselves with what they wear. Kids are only kids for a little while." This is also a generalization, and why should kids have to express themselves with what they wear? they should be expressing themselves by their actions. "It also teaches little kids how to match clothes for when they are older. When they are older, they might still have to where uniforms." And by saying they will have to choose clothes when they are older, you knock out your previous statement. Unless they are in an army or other force, they will not have to wear a uniform. Maybe a suit, or an apron, or a frock, but no uniform. Thank you.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Uniforms-or-not/1/
  • CON

    First look at this site http://www.youtube.com... isn't...

    school's should not make you wear uniforms

    First look at this site http://www.youtube.com... isn't that an reason enough. there would be less of a threat of guns in school. If we have school uniforms some of the bad kids wouldn't go to school and there would more learning to the good kids.

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  • CON

    For this specific reason people are less likely to feel...

    Students should not have to wear uniforms.

    I would like to use this round to refute my opponents attempts to attack my arguments. She says as one of her first arguments this round that, "Most schools don't have band or art classes, they may have music class which has to do with mostly the instrument The Recorder." This is woefully inaccurate. The choir from my high school (uniformed) was the North Dakota Governor's Choir 2 years in a row. Also, I see no factual basis for this proclamation. I know in my hometown, all 4 major high schools as well as the 3 middle schools all have art classes and extracurricular activities for those who want them. It is not true that there is not art classes that students can take. Even if there are only what my opponent would consider "sufficient creative opportunities" in one school in the country the Con side prevails. She states, "Students of any school in the country should not have to wear [uniform]." By using the word "any" my opponent has shown that if a uniform would work for one school, the con would win the debate. She goes on to say "most schools don't have band or art classes." Implying that some do. Therefore, the argument of students being able to express themselves different ways than in dress prevails. Secondly, my opponent asserts that "most students don't have many friends because they don't know who their TRUE, FULL, personalities." This implies she thinks that it is difficult to make friends at school if you wear a uniform. I can say from personal experience that it is not. I met some of my best friends in a school where we were required to wear uniforms. I disagree personally on this point, the Pro still seems to be working off her stereotype of uniformed students as nerdy goody two shoes style students, this isn't true. Thirdly, by my opponent's second paragraph I assume she was saying something along the lines of "students may feel self conscious while wearing the uniforms." School uniforms are not designed to be looked at, therefore taking the problem of distracting clothing out of the classroom. For this specific reason people are less likely to feel self conscious about how they look, because everyone looks the same. My opponent also states, "It is safer to keep all students shirts tucked in so no gang members are able to hide any weapons such as knifes,guns, ect." I agree and this was a point I made in my constructive, see video above. Fourthly, my opponent very clearly concedes that most students aren't judged on what they wear, therefore her point about wearing clothes as self expression becomes weak, seeing as no body notices anyway. In short I have refuted my opponents contentions. My opponent has made no effort to attack my contention about the economy and has conceded on the point that uniforms make for a safer school environment. I urge a Con vote.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Students-should-not-have-to-wear-uniforms./1/
  • CON

    In this day and age, we have instant information and we...

    Students Should Not Wear Uniforms At Memphis City And Shelby County Schools

    As a student that is graduating from high school this summer, the question of whether or not uniforms should be permitted in school is one that is asked frequently and over the past twelve years of public education without a requirement with uniforms I feel that it would be best for uniforms in public school. As our country continues to develop as a nation of equality, there is no reason for there not to be a uniform requirement, in this case it would not be fair for wealthy students to wear more expensive clothes than other students. In this day and age, we have instant information and we are surrounded by Social Media Sites like facebook and twitter here we instantly get a look at the person we searched for. This is very similar to developing a first impression, when people go to school wearing edgy clothes, it subjects them to bullying from other students and criticsm from teachers.

  • PRO

    It's not like we an protest or anything. ... This is one...

    School Uniform

    By "It just is",I meant that we have no control over the school district and what they say goes. It's not like we an protest or anything. 2. I really don't see what the deal is with uniforms. People act as if the uniforms are the most distasteful and disgusting outfits ever. The clothes they would wear if there wasn't a uniform probably look worse. 3. Thank you for this debate! This is one of the first debates I've had where people don't take it very seriously.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniform/1/
  • CON

    14] Also, parents would probably have to spend a lot more...

    School uniforms are often expensive

    In many countries, parents can apply for help with the cost of school uniform. For example, in the U.K., parents who don't earn a lot of money can get money from the government to help pay for their child's school uniform[13] . In Australia, the Australian Scholarships Group, which specialises in helping parents save money when it comes to their children's education, has tips for parents to get their child's uniform cheaper.[14] Also, parents would probably have to spend a lot more money if their children didn't wear a uniform to school, because they would have to buy them more casual clothes. Since children don't like to wear the same thing too often (in case they get bullied), parents would have to spend a lot of money making sure their children have lots of different outfits. improve this  

  • PRO

    According to the second amendment I have the right to...

    Students should wear uniforms

    According to the first amendment I have the right to verbally be a jerk to other people, I can be a racist and a bigot. According to the second amendment I have the right to carry a six shooter revolver if I so please. Schools are public and private institutions, if it is private then it is providing a service to it's customers and requires them to dress a certain way since it is their business and they can do what they want, kind of like restaurants, "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service". Companies have the right to choose what people wear on their property otherwise they won't provide you the goods and services they provide. The government also has the right to choose what people wear on their property as well. When someone else owns the property you happen to be on, you have to abide by their laws whether it be a private entity or the federal government. If you don't like the rules of those that own the property where you go to school then you have the option to be home schooled. It is not a violation of your rights or civil liberties when you willingly go on someone Else's property and choose to abide by their rules and policies. Let's say you were a smoker, outside you can smoke, but you are over at my house, if I don't like smoking, I have the right to either have you stop smoking or leave. Am I violating your rights? Schools also ban guns, foul language, bikinis, cigars, etc. All of which you can posses off of school property and are allowed to posses under the U.S. Bill of Rights. Would it be a violation of ones civil liberties if someone wearing a bikini was cursing while producing a revolver and smoking a cigar on a school was asked to leave? Of course not and it shouldn't be considered a violation of ones rights if the school asks you to wear a shirt of a certain color if they so please. Their property, not yours, their rules, not yours. Since my opponent is going off first hand experiences, I will as well. In the schools my friends and I went to, students were still jerks no doubt, but we as a school were far better academically. When we went to high school most of us did very well because the school we went to before was a private religious school that enforced a rather strict dress code. We were already very responsible, very well disciplined students. Most people from my school were taking classes that were a higher level than others at the same age who came from public schools. Now I'm going to take what you say about your personal experiences as facts, assuming they are truthful. It could be very possible that the school that had worse students with uniforms than the students that are allowed to choose what you wear, are simply bad students. Taking care of an wearing a uniform certainly won't turn delinquents into honor roll students but you can't prove that wearing a uniform, somehow makes students perform worse, which is your responsibility as the instigator. The U.S. service academies (USAFA, Annapolis, West point, etc), also have strict rules regarding uniforms, these are some of the highest ranking colleges in the world where they train men and women to become very competent officers in the military. Officers are the ones who are in charge of nuclear weapons, radars, large groups of soldiers, fly jet fighters, etc The instructors and the officers in charge of these establishments agree that if their cadets were allowed to wear whatever they wanted, discipline would be severely compromised, despite the fact that a cadet may still be a jackass or have a bad personality, they would perform better in their activities both academic and athletic. I'm not going to accept your "source" since that is simply hearsay and have no way of verifying those comments of being accurate. I was already going out on a limb accepting what you say as accurate. You are the instigator so you have the burden of proof to show how having uniforms is somehow worse than being able to wear whatever you want. I have already made a thorough argument explaining that it isn't a violation of ones rights when you are on another entity's property and are forced to follow the rules they set. You have to prove that having uniforms are somehow bad other than use the argument that they violate one's rights, which they don't, and I can list a good enough amount of private and public schooling institutions that require students to wear some kind of uniform that are either on par or exceed other schools in performance.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Students-should-wear-uniforms/1/
  • PRO

    Schools should have uniforms because: A)Uniforms teach...

    Should Schools have Uniforms

    Schools should have uniforms because: A)Uniforms teach disciplin B)Uniforms provide unity C) Uniforms ensure that there is no competition over clothes. D) Uniforms make sure that there is no bad dress conduct. E)Uniforms make people respect each other more F) Uniforms teach people to be neat Sources: http://www.merriam-webster.com...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Should-Schools-have-Uniforms/7/
  • CON

    We have to pay attention the fact that uniforms are just...

    Uniforms should be mandatory in all of the public schools of America

    Thank you for the quick response and thank you for continuing this debate. At the moment, Finland has the best education system and they have no homework, standardized tests, and uniforms. Yet, America has private schools, public schools and colleges with uniforms and they aren't even on the top ten list for education systems. Sadly but expected, we are #14 with Indonesia as the worst. We have to pay attention the fact that uniforms are just cloth, yes, a piece cloth can have symbolism, but that won't help students pass school. Pro claims that students have to adjust, which I agree with to an extent. For example, everybody learns differently and adjusting to one person's way of teaching may be difficult. America has already proved that passing a test is more important than actually learning how to survive in this world, getting an apartment and proper sex-ed. Maybe America should focus on lowering tuition, student loans and letting students move around more when learning instead of putting them in a uniform. For example, everybody learns differently and adjusting to one person's way of teaching may be difficult. America has already proved that passing a test is more important than actually learning how to survive in this world, getting an apartment and proper sex-ed. Maybe America should focus on lowering tuition, student loans and letting students move around more when learning instead of putting them in a uniform. Uniforms won't stop students from getting ADHD, which is caused from expecting students to sit for long period of time. Uniforms won't stop students from dropping out of school and going down the wrong path. Take the police as an example. Police brutality is a problem in America"this country is corrupted in many way"and those people where uniforms every day. You say that uniforms give people integrity, respect and responsibility. More people are killed by the police in America than anywhere else, and some people view their uniforms as a sign of control and wish to show them no signs of respect. If police had integrity from a uniform, shootings of the people in America, people they are supposed to be protecting, wouldn't happen as much. I promise you that regulating a student's clothes, hair, accessories won't help them learn logic. You learn logic from your idols and you learn your smarts from books, teachers, and your parents/adopted parents, not from a uniform. Your argument about intelligence coming from hard work I find hard to accept. To work hard you have to have the will and ability to do so, the wishes to become something. Where does that all originate from? Your brain where all your thoughts and dreams float around. It's up to you that you make those dreams come true, not a uniform. We shouldn't base somebodies worth off of a uniform. This concludes my argument and this debate.

  • PRO

    A survey commissioned by YouGov shows us clear evidence...

    School Uniform Should Be Banned

    I disagree that school uniforms cost little. A survey commissioned by YouGov shows us clear evidence that it is expensive. �110 is spent on school uniform and "20 on school shoes each year on average in the UK, whereas if pupils were to wear their own clothes, parents would not have to waste money. Education is supposed to be free, and yet we have to pay for uniforms. In the event of a crime, everyone is wearing the same so it will be difficult to identify the culprit. Teachers often have to spend time telling pupils to tuck their shirts in, or tie their tie properly, etc. Isn't education more important than that?

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniform-Should-Be-Banned/1/