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Feminism is used against men.

Missed third round. Sorry. All feminists believe the patriarchy. The patriarchy states that men are in control of everything, from child care to authority. Feminists believe that all cases of inequality have favored men over women. So then how is domestic violence irrelevant? Almost ANY PSA about domestic violence shows feminists saying how bad it is, and the amount of physical/psychological damage they go through (even though women are also at fault of this, yet it is rarely mentioned, since people usually view the man as a coward). Now onto pregnancy. So the man automatically doesn't get a say in the matter because he had sex? Why isn't the women at fault of this all of a sudden? She has the choice whether to have sex or not. But no, you're implying it is the mans fault only. I "Lol'd" hard at you argument for child support. It's called "manning up and being a man"? Isn't that completely contradicting the entire idea of both sexes being equal? Also, circumcision being a religious right for Jewish people? Even though you're not considering the fact that it goes against Human Rights, and is usually performed on non-religious people? Also, the same argument can be made that Female Genital Mutilation is a religious right! Anyways, new arguments. Men are constantly falsely accused of rape. Usually, the man is arrested and the "victim" gets money, even without evidence. You can even search up falsely accused rape on men and find hundreds of stories. Here's one that was sentenced at age 16. http://jonathanturley.org... and even AFTER she admitted she was lying (years later) she KEPT the money. Whenever a man tries to file for rape, he is viewed as weak or laughed at. Women constantly complain about being sexualized in media (primarily, films and music). Women complain that the women in films are giving a false portrayal of what women should be like (usually very attractive, skinny, etc.) and call out sexism even though men in films can be considered giving a false portrayal (six pack abs, etc.). I would post more, but time constraints aren't allowing me. If you want more, check AmazingAthiests videos on So then how is domestic violence irrelevant? Almost ANY PSA about domestic violence shows feminists saying how bad it is, and the amount of physical/psychological damage they go through (even though women are also at fault of this, yet it is rarely mentioned, since people usually view the man as a coward). Now onto pregnancy. So the man automatically doesn't get a say in the matter because he had sex? Why isn't the women at fault of this all of a sudden? She has the choice whether to have sex or not. But no, you're implying it is the mans fault only. I "Lol'd" hard at you argument for child support. It's called "manning up and being a man"? Isn't that completely contradicting the entire idea of both sexes being equal? Also, circumcision being a religious right for Jewish people? Even though you're not considering the fact that it goes against Human Rights, and is usually performed on non-religious people? Also, the same argument can be made that Female Genital Mutilation is a religious right! Anyways, new arguments. Men are constantly falsely accused of rape. Usually, the man is arrested and the "victim" gets money, even without evidence. You can even search up falsely accused rape on men and find hundreds of stories. Here's one that was sentenced at age 16. http://jonathanturley.org... and even AFTER she admitted she was lying (years later) she KEPT the money. Whenever a man tries to file for rape, he is viewed as weak or laughed at. Women constantly complain about being sexualized in media (primarily, films and music). Women complain that the women in films are giving a false portrayal of what women should be like (usually very attractive, skinny, etc.) and call out sexism even though men in films can be considered giving a false portrayal (six pack abs, etc.). I would post more, but time constraints aren't allowing me. If you want more, check AmazingAthiests videos on feminism

Modern Feminism is Not Needed in America

I would start by saying, sources were to be made at the end of arguments, not at the end of points as stated in the rules. My sources have been linked in order of their use in my arguments if there is any confusion, which when relating to most debates, there should not be. Con has repeated putting sources after points, not arguments. There is not mutual blame, as I have not based my argument off con's position solely, rather off the prevailing views of feminism, and have included his points in the broader stance. I withheld points for the rebuttal rounds, con could have as well. Wage Gap: I included con's position when stating "Most arguments in the 90%-96% range still do not account for many factors that go into yearly earnings, such as the fact that women work on average 42 minutes less each day." I stated this in the first round, and Con proceed to use 2 sources which did not include hours worked. There are no new arguments needed as my previous point of gaps portraying a 92%-96% deficit disregard hours worked remains undisputed. Equal Opportunity: As stated previously I was not directly referring to a specific wage gap, but rather the wage gap as a whole. Though con did provide evidence that women in the same job title get paid less, it is not a complete dispute as equal opportunity does not always merit equal outcome. Further, just because they are paid less in the same job, they on average do not work as long, which went unaddressed. As con stated as well, there are no laws that are in direct conflict with the opportunity women have. Rape Culture: Take 2.1/1000 and it results in .0021, computers have a calculator function if there is not a calculator readily available. Further women are treated equally in law when regarding rape, and that when including prison rape, women and men are near equal annually. Lastly, as I stated earlier, I was making my first argument in response to prominent feminist beliefs, and the position that con holds is portrayed in the argument. Female Representation: As stated in my equal opportunity argument, less representation is not indicative of less opportunity, and as a result less female writers is not a reflection of inequality, rather it is reflective of choices. This also holds true for all professions, many in the same field such as book writers and TV shows. Lastly I included Steam as a source as it is the biggest PC platform. Sources: -http://time.com...# -https://www.inc.com...

Modern Feminism Is Pointless

In both my daily life and on the news I am seeing more injustices across America. Not for women, but for men. Before you accuse me of being a sexist let me point out that I absolutely believe in equal treatment of women. However, women are still "fighting" for equal rights despite the fact they have the same if not more opportunities than men. The whole idea of modern feminism in my opinion is completely hypocritical. Many women today want to be treated the same as men, but if the going starts to get tough for them they try and act all innocent to get away with things that a man could never get away with. Last year I saw a study done on women fighting in the Armed Forces and 60% of American women think they shouldn't be in combat. What happened to being treated the same as men? So basically you're saying that if it could be beneficial you want that same opportunity, but if it could do you harm you want to be treated differently than men. This is the same attitude that got Casey Anthony acquitted for the murder of her daughter even though it was evident that she had something to do with her daughter's death. When women play all innocent and victimized they can get away with almost anything and they know it. Women are blaming men way too much for their problems when they are just as if not more responsible for their own problems. The reason rape is a lot more common today is because women and girls tend to dress in very exposing clothing which tends to make men unpredictable at times. Almost everywhere I go I see a girl with booty shorts, nylon pants, or their underwear hanging out. If women would cover themselves up more rape would be less frequent. Celebrities like Miley Cyrus who are telling women to act like sluts to get attention are only making things worse for women. There is a reason guys always seem like horny idiots and it's because women give them the idea that they are willing to have sex. If women want to be respected they have to act like proper women, be willing to take responsibility for their own actions, stop blaming men for their problems, and work towards more opportunities instead of waiting for them to be handed out.

Modern Feminism

REBUTTALS Con: "Actually, the "wage gap" has to do with comparing lower-rate jobs to higher-rate jobs, and women in higher rate jobs are newer, thus receiving less pay." 1: Con continues to fail to cite a single source. I've cited 4 studies that corroborate my point. 2: Con's point doesn't make sense. The wage gap didn't change significantly between 2000 and 2010 [15]. Yet during that period "women in higher rate jobs" worked 10 years, potentially getting promotions and pay raises, without shrinking the wage gap. Con: "But I guess a sexist-feminist like yourself wouldn't understand." 1: This is ad hominem. Simply because I am feminist does not mean that I cannot understand or that I'm incorrect. Con: "And by the way, look up the stats. There are, in fact, a higher percentage of welfare recipients that have NO JOB APPLICATION OUT that consistently vote democrat. Democrats are the moochers and bad people that simply can't do anything without a hard working tax payer holding their hand. THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT! Political views are all about personality. Republican voters tend to have a higher work ethic than democrat voters. This is pure analysis of the voting public. Like it or not, democrats tend to be the lazier party that doesn't do any work on their own. Detroit, bankrupt, democrat controlled. Chicago, not very stable economic situation, highest murder rate in the country, democrat controlled. WASHINGTON D.C., UNTIL NOW THEY'VE BEEN ON THE DRASTIC DECLINE IN ECONOMICS! THE ONLY REASON WE ARE STARTING TO HAVE DEBT REDUCING BUDGETS IS BECAUSE THERE IS A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE NOW! And Hillary herself her family was, "dead broke," when they left the White House. So yes, democrats tend to mooch off of other hardworking people." 1: Condescension, much? CAPS? 2: Con continues to fail to cite a single source. 3: Research suggests that political ideology has very little to do with whether or not someone got food stamps [21]. There exists a work requirement for welfare, suggesting against "mooching" [22]. Welfare actually has empirically been proven to make people more likely to work [17]. And, in fact, majority-Republican states are the largest recipients of federal welfare, while majority-Democrat states come closer to breaking even [18][19][20]. Con paints a picture of Democrats as moochers, when welfare is quite bipartisan. Con: "Now, in conclusion, I have shown you why my ideals point me this direction, all you have done is suck on the lie that "women aren't equal."" 1: Good to know Con's ideals determine his interpretation of reality, not vice versa. Con: I have very well shown that there is a distinct difference between TRUE and MODERN feminists. TRUE feminists, being hardworking, ethical women supporting equality (REPUBLICANS). MODERN feminists, being lazy, mooching, evil, pro-female superiority (DEMOCRATS). 1: Con has failed to respond to any of evidence, which actually had citations, and which actually quoted feminists. Said evidence showed that modern feminists and Con's prefered feminists are actually one and the same: Supporters of equality: REASONS FOR DECISION Conduct: Con has consistently talked down to Pro. Grammar: Con has often USED ALL CAPS to make their points. Arguments: Con has failed to show that a wage gap does not exist; Pro has provided multiple studies that suggest otherwise. Con has failed to show that modern feminism promotes female supremacy, while Pro has used numerous sources to show the opposite. Con has attacked Democrats for qualities that Pro has shown they do not have. Sources: Con has 22 sources. Pro has 0. Con's sources include federal studies, opinion polls, and numerous actual quotes. Vote a 7-point Con ballot! REFERENCES [17] wes.sagepub.com/content/29/1/99.abstract [18] ijreview.com/2015/01/230371-2-map-shows-red-states-rely-federal-aid-looks-can-deceiving/ [19] businessinsider.com/red-states-are-welfare-queens-2011-8 [20] politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/ [21] pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demographics-of-food-stamp-recipients/ [22] edition.cnn.com/2012/08/23/politics/fact-check-welfare/index.html

On balance modern Feminism is beneficial to the modern United States.

That was a very well written rebuttal. I could not help but laugh when I read “My arguments have been dismissed by feminists because I am a man, and do not know what it's like to be a woman.” I assure you I will not follow suite, as I am also a man who does not know what it is like to be a women… ha ha! I get just as amusing responses when I, as a man, publically identify as a feminist. Alright, lets get to rebuttals. Economic Injustice: Con says “I also, for the life of me, could not find any statistics showing pay between men and women based on same job, same work experience, same age, and same education. I did however find a census. pdf that showed there is a 23% difference between men and women for the most part, but this has nothing to do with specific jobs” First, I would also like to note that con confirms my stat of a 23% difference when you compare all full time men and women. That is the same as 77 cents on the dollar. It took me a great deal of time to find the stats that I shared last round. However, I specifically included examples of men and women who had the same job title specifically to address this issue. While the data is not comprehensive enough to take into account work experience, age, and education, it does take into account job title and gender. In every case it shows quite the disparity. Even with all the other variables absent, looking at job title and gender gives a good indication that gender has something to do with it. Con asks “why is it when as soon as a man gets paid more than a woman, everyone blames sexism and says there's no possible way a male can be paid more than a female other than blatant sexism?” This is a great question, but the answer is simple. As gender being a large commonality and because the disparity is so large, as well as generally true, it seems to imply gender as, at most the reason for, and at least, part of why the gap exists. Of course there are going to be cases where an individual man is better qualified and therefore worth paying more for a job than a women. However, stats show this pay gap to be the case across the board. Indicating again that gender at least is an indicator if not the cause entirely. Con says “Would it be possible women just generally don't excel as much as men do in jobs such as engineering or mathematics or technology, and excel more in jobs geared toward "natural female" jobs, such as child care, or jobs that require a personable personality?” A study that compared men and women’s cognitive capability concluded that in math “the researchers found no large overall differences between boys and girls in math performance. “ (1) this study goes on to show that if anything “165 studies revealed a female advantage so slight as to be meaningless,” as far as verbal skills. Con says “Men handle lack of sleep better than women do.” Not that my experience is an all encompassing one, however I have been hired at 8 different companies, not once was I ever asked how well I handle a lack of sleep. I do not buy the thought that men dealing with a lack of sleep better really impacts their value in the work force, though if my opponent wishes to elaborate this point, so be it. Con says “On average, women don't have as well paying jobs or as well "respected" jobs as men? I can agree with that. However you would need to prove that this is directly related to blatant sexism, discrimination, etc against women.” Again I would just point out that the stats and information I provided did specifically compare those who had the same job title and gender. Unless con has a definitive reason to discount the sources I used, the pay gap by gender is pretty well supported. Con says “Did you forget upwards of 70% of the homeless population is male.” I confess I was unaware of that stat, and at first glance seems to undermine my argument about women and poverty. However, the number of the homeless is not comparable to the number of people who live in poverty. 600,000 homeless(2), vs 45.3 million in poverty.(3) When you apply the percentages we are comparing 420,000 men to 31.7 million women. It is like comparing suicide deaths to heart disease. Which has the bigger impact on society? The numbers hardly compare. Clearly the pay gap is empirically evident and as such is indisputable. Just as evident is that poverty affects women significantly more so than men. It can then be concluded that men and women do not have an equal rights or opportunity in the U.S. economy. Domestic violence: In watching cons first video, it becomes apparent that while people did not take women abusing men very seriously, this is largely because people did not view female aggression, as the lady concluded “ as not very important, not very deadly, nothing really to react to.” Rather than supporting my opponent’s argument, this really supports the idea that women are not taken as seriously as men. It serves as empirical evidence to all who watch that women are not taken as seriously or treaty equally. Con says “Statistics are great, however you have not provided a correlation between domestic abuse and sexism.” Like the pay gap, the huge disparity between the numbers when you compare men and women is what makes it evident that it is a gender issue. How Feminism can help: Con says “I completely agree 100% that feminism was needed at a time, and did help drastically with women's rights and safety, and it was completely necessary in the 20th century." Con says “it doesn't matter if "true" feminists don't consider these women "true" feminists, what matters is "true" feminists still associate with these "fake" feminists, or "feminazis," by sharing the same name” It does make a difference, though I would not argue that they are not true feminist, I can easily argue that the extreme view you have encountered in not the general view. Much like the KKK is Christian, but nobody looks at the KKK to get a good idea of Christianity. Muslim terrorists may be followers of Islam, but clearly the fast majority of Musliums have taken issue with how the “extremist” has portrayed the religion. in reference to your comment “you support rape if you like the song 'blurred lines." I would not assume that every “feminist” you meet is well educated, intelligent, etc… again it is like when a Christian parent won’t let their kids read Harry Potter because of witch craft. I would say there are crazies in every group. (I am so sorry if offended someone with that.) It does not however define the whole group. All in all feminism is about equal treatment of the sexes. That is what is has been traditionally, that is what it is today, and likely what it will continue to be. Fringe groups do exist, and they do cause damage. This damage though is a blip in the big picture as feminism is on balance, beneficial to the modern United States. Conclusion: The economic disparity stands, as the numbers don’t lie. The comparison between the homeless and poverty falls as it is overwhelmed by sheer numbers. This is also true of domestic abuse. Cons video shows that society does not treat women equally. Fringe groups do not steer the message and stupid statements do not define a group. On balance modern Feminism is beneficial to the modern United States. (As a side note, against my greater judgement, I am posting this very late at night. I hope my argument seems as coherent to me in the morning as it does right now LOL! I’m not as good at staying up late as I used to be.) (1) http://www.apa.org... (2) http://thinkprogress.org... (3)https://www.google.com...

Feminism is relevant in the 21st Century

Yes, but what exactly is their position at work? If you were to go to many work places, the boss or the one in charge is still usually a man. And women are still considered the weaker gender. Yes, the number of working women has increased but their position is still quite low. The laws have made a difference but how much of a difference? It's like how it is against the law to discriminate people for their race. People still do it but in a more discreet manner or in a way that they cannot be faulted. Just because laws have been passed about women being treated fairly does not mean that everyone will abide by the the rules And when you say feminism is not relevant in western countries, you are talking about the modern people in these countries. There are still families who are very religious or, in a way, "old-fashioned" and still follow the gender discrimination where the men are the head of the families and that their decisions matter most. These cases are not looked at because the women themselves are too afraid to speak up on their behalf or they don't even know its wrong. Sometimes, religious beliefs and the laws clash and the women are just caught up in the middle or fear doing anything because it has been going on for generations in their family. They believe that there is no other way; that they are merely following in the other's footsteps. This does still happen in western countries. Maybe not in very modernised places like New York or Washington but in other less modern parts where everything is very traditional. Another example is the percentage of women in politics. Only about 20% of women are in the political field when half the population is of women. The percentage has increased and yes there is a number of powerful women in politics but the ratio of men to women in politics is still not equal. The reason that it is even increasing is because feminists are trying to push for their rights. This is the time when it is important for women to continue to argue for their rights so that they will be equal. If these women are to stop at this point just when they are about to get what they want, all their hard work would go to waste. The time they stop should be the time when both genders are equal, not during this critcial point in time when women are just starting to get what they have been fighting for for so long.

modern day feminism does more good than harm

I will be representing the 'pro' side, for moder day feminism please answer the following questions: 1. Political party (and what canidate you're rooting for)? 2. What country are you from (because this mostly has to do with America)? 3. What is your gender/sex? ____________ Rules: 1. No trolling 2. No forefits 3. No use of racial slurs (sad I have to say that) ____________ Debate set-up First round: Acceptance Second Round: Introducing your arguement (no reply from con!) Third round: Debating the others arguement (no new arguement) Fourth round: Conclusion and finishing thesis statement