• CON

    Surely, maybe some things have improved, but with no...

    Feminism Needs to die out

    Yemen: access to education is limited to women? isn't that the same with men in America? We're talking about Yemen here not America; do you wanna know why this is the case in America? Because many men in America are generally lazy, which is why an increase in women graduating and getting their PhDs is greater than men. 36% of women compared to 28% of men have graduated and that's not because men aren't given education, it's just that most of them can't be bothered. Iraq: Unfortunately it hasn't; I'm an Iraqi myself and I know what it's like. Women I've known have been dropped out of school from early ages and forced into marriage, youngest is thirteen. Sure it may be part of their culture, but who even said that the women really wanted to get married at that age, what if she was forced? It's not like men; infact there are many men who get married quite late in their 40s. As there is a rise of terrorism there, the Iraqi women face much different struggles than men, including a systematic culture of rape and slavery within the terrorist organisations. The Iraqi's Constitution in 2005 did state that there should be equality between men and women, but there are still wide gender gaps; I know my own country better than you do. Nepal: What are you on about rulebooks? When I said women's lives are dictated by their husbands and fathers, I was saying that they don't have the freedom to make their own decisions, does that seem fair to you? And no 25% is not a huge number; that's just the 75% remaining of women don't have education, so yes it seems pretty small. Peru: How do you know the women there are tougher than average women? Even though they may be tougher, the husband shouldn't slap his wife, its cruel, a slap on the face doesn't just hurt the woman physically but mentally, that is if you've ever been slapped across the face and knows what it feels like. Men are supposed to be the custodians of women, they have the right to protect them. Turkey: Well how do you know that for sure? What if they are women who want to have a job but can't because of the low employment? What if her husband doesn't let her work and just wants her to cook and clean? See you can't be sure that all women want to do their own thing by staying home. There has even been a significant increase of violence against women; and there has been a case where a man just killed his wife with a cooking pan just because THERE WASN'T ENOUGH SALT IN THE MEAL. Afghanistan: I only gave one example, but I'll give you more. Now I'm pretty sure you know what happened to Malala, and why she got shot. IT WAS BECAUSE SHE WAS A FEMALE WHO WANTED TO HAVE EDUCATION. But up until now, women can't have education or even finish their education and forced into early marriages. Have you heard of the murder of Farkhunda? Who got killed for falsely being accused of burning the Holy Quran. And the person who falsely accused her was a mullah and why did he accuse her for? TO SAVE HIS JOB. And it wasn't even a big deal, they just had a debate infront of a mosque and she sorta overthrew him or something, and because of that he accused her. People just kept savagely beating her up, burning her alive, till she died. It was horrid. This was obviously something major, which has highlighted violence against the women's country. Surely, maybe some things have improved, but with no continuous effort. Many women have died in pregnancy and birth, the life expectancy for a woman is 51. And don't tell me its nobody's fault, the country has pressurized women forcing them into marriages at the age of 12. So what do you expect? Her freedom as a young child has to be taken. It's not like men. In Kabul, it is very common for women to be taken to hospitals shortly after marriage, due to physical injuries such as tearing and excessive bleeding. Afghanistan is probably the worse second to India. Democratic republic of condo: I'll have to agree with you on that. Mali: Genital mutilation is considered as harm for a woman, and it doesn't just occur in Mali. And men barely get forced; not like women; and if they do get forced, most of them don't even get married young like women; and it's harder for the woman than the man because the woman is the one who takes most responsibility of the family, by having children and raising them, looking after the house, which is very difficult so she is facing more struggles. Saudi Arabia: I've been there; women aren't allowed to enter even if she is with her husband. She can't even stand outside of it for a long time, they'll force her to leave and I know this because I've seen it myself. Jordan: What I said before about Turkey. Feminism is not a waste of time; and women can be selfish just like men are, you can't just say women, look at all these facts and incidents that has happened to women, so how would you expect feminism to simply die out? It's impossible; feminism is obviously gonna grow, the more violence and attacks there are on women the more it will grow. Physical violence against women is something major that occurs in many societies not just in these countries but almost all around the world. And I also haven't mentioned the fact that there are two mental debators on this website who claim that women are chunks of meat for men and women aren't needed in the future because of the invention of sex bots, and post disgusting things about women.

  • CON

    The first round is for accepting the debate. ... Good...

    Feminism is currently helping us reach gender equality in 1st world countries

    In this debate I will be arguing that Feminism is NOT currently helping us reach equality in 1st world countries. The first round is for accepting the debate. The second round is for opening statements and new arguments The third round will be rebuttals with new arguments still allowed The fourth round is for final rebuttals and a closing statement/speech Rules: 1. Stick to the resolution. 2. Be open minded. 3. See number one and two. 4. Good luck to whoever may accept this debate

  • CON

    The first round is for accepting the debate. ... Good...

    Feminism is currently helping us reach gender equality in 1st world countries

    In this debate I will be arguing that Feminism is NOT currently helping us reach equality in 1st world countries. The first round is for accepting the debate. The second round is for opening statements and new arguments The third round will be rebuttals with new arguments still allowed The fourth round is for final rebuttals and a closing statement/speech Rules: 1. Stick to the resolution. 2. Be open minded. 3. See number one and two. 4. Good luck to whoever may accept this debate

  • PRO

    By focusing on women and their problems, feminism fails...

    Men have big problems too. By focusing on women and their problems, feminism fails to recognise tha...

    Men have big problems too. By focusing on women and their problems, feminism fails to recognise that there are inequality issues in which men are the victims. For example: boys are falling behind girls in academic achievement; far less money is spent on combating ‘male’ than ‘female’ diseases (the difference between the amount of research into breast cancer and prostate cancer is a striking example); single fathers are discriminated against over child custody and child support; fear of being accused of sexism is so widespread that it often leads to unfair discrimination against men. These can only be tackled by recognising that feminism has gone too far.

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  • CON

    First, many of the ways in which men suffer inequality...

    Men have big problems too. By focusing on women and their problems, feminism fails to recognise tha...

    There are two responses to this. First, many of the ways in which men suffer inequality are relatively minor when compared to the ongoing subordination of women in many areas of private and public life such as pay, childcare and sexuality. Second, where such inequality does exist, First, many of the ways in which men suffer inequality are relatively minor when compared to the ongoing subordination of women in many areas of private and public life such as pay, childcare and sexuality. Second, where such inequality does exist, feminism possesses the resources to offer a distinctive and useful critique of the causes and consequences of sexual inequality, whether it is men or women who suffer as a result - men and women should be joining forces to offer feminist responses to discrimination, not blaming feminism where men suffer.

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  • PRO

    No new arguments shall be presented in Round 5. ... [1]...

    Feminism is based upon female entitlement to male achievements.

    I welcome the challenge of engaging a proponent of Feminism who is based in the United States of America, familiar with its laws and culture, and willing to pursue this topic dispassionately. Rules of Engagement: 1. Argumentation ethics apply. 2. Semantics shall not apply. 3. Anecdotal evidence shall be considered irrelevant. 4. Sources must be cited following assertions with notation and the URL provided to bottom of round. 5. Quotations shall be considered irrelevant. 6. Round 1 is acceptance. 7. No new arguments shall be presented in Round 5. Definitions: * These definitions are chosen from different sources in an attempt to avoid redundancy within definition (e.g. "entitlement - a state of entitling" etc.). Feminism - a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women. [1] based - a fundamental principle or groundwork; foundation; basis. [2] female - a person bearing two X chromosomes in the cell nuclei and normally having a vagina, a uterus and ovaries, and developing at puberty a relatively rounded body and enlarged breasts, and a beardless face; a girl or woman. [3] entitlement - a guarantee of access to benefits based on established rights or by legislation. A "right" is itself an entitlement associated with a moral or social principle, such that an "entitlement" is a provision made in accordance with legal framework of a society. Typically, entitlements are laws based on concepts of principle ("rights") which are themselves based in concepts of social equality or enfranchisement. [4] male - a person bearing an X and Y chromosome pair in the cell nuclei and normally having a penis, scrotum, and testicles, and developing hair on the face at adolescence; a boy or man. [5] achievements - something that has been accomplished esp by hard work, ability, or heroism. [6] Improper Form: Any of the following mischaracterizations will be seen as concession of the debate (i.e. one warning may be given, whereas the second results in consession to the opposition) - 1) Superiority/inferiority of genders based upon opinion rather than objective, biological attributes. 2) Broad cultural depictions of male as "rapist," female as "victim." Notes: Thank you ahead of time to Con for agreeing to engage this topic. Please be sure to delay your voting till the conclusion of this debate. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org... [2] http://dictionary.reference.com... [3] http://dictionary.reference.com... [4] http://en.wikipedia.org... [5] http://dictionary.reference.com... [6] http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

  • CON

    Statistics do not show support for differences in wage To...

    Feminism is necessary in modern First World countries.

    Statistics do not show support for differences in wage To begin with, I recognize that my initial sources were substandard, but Pro is guilty of the same mistake. Pro cites a source surveying managers, and only managers- a study that also does not take in account personal choices, which is a major factor creating the wage gap myth. It's often that men work longer hours, and do not have paternity leaves that slow their advancement and pay raises. In 2009, the US Department of Labour released a study on the wage gap, examining over 50 peer-reviewed papers [1]. Once personal choices were taken in account, the wage gap drops to somewhere in between 4.8% to 7.1%- or in other words, women appear to be making 92 to 95 cents to a man's dollar. Another study by the AAUW cites the wage gap to be 6.6 cents, and that includes comparing higher-paying jobs such as lawyers to lower-paying jobs such as librarians (as they all fall under the banner of 'other white collar') [2] Both sources have also said that they could not know with certainty whether this remaining wage gap is really due to sexism, or simply due to personal choices not taken in account. More educated feminists themselves have admitted that in this way, the wage gap is very close to zero [2]. It is clear that the wage gap in First World countries is insignificant. Feminists doing terrible things I do not claim that some feminists doing terrible things means that all feminists are terrible. That being said, there is a problem when feminists do terrible things and other feminists refuse to call them out, just because they're feminists , as can be seen in [5] of my first argument. As well, there is a difference between the dictionary definition and what happens in reality. North Korea is officially "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea." Is it democratic? Is it a republic? Not at all. It's actions that matter. Feminists can claim that they're for gender equity for all, male, female, and non-gender-conforming folk, but it's their transmisogynist [3], man-hating [4] actions that most feminists feel free to ignore as those feminists are "not REAL feminists" that reveals its true nature. Domestic Responsibilties This is completely irrelevant. The question is whether Another study by the AAUW cites the wage gap to be 6.6 cents, and that includes comparing higher-paying jobs such as lawyers to lower-paying jobs such as librarians (as they all fall under the banner of 'other white collar') [2] Both sources have also said that they could not know with certainty whether this remaining wage gap is really due to sexism, or simply due to personal choices not taken in account. More educated feminists themselves have admitted that in this way, the wage gap is very close to zero [2]. It is clear that the wage gap in First World countries is insignificant. Feminists doing terrible things I do not claim that some feminists doing terrible things means that all feminists are terrible. That being said, there is a problem when feminists do terrible things and other feminists refuse to call them out, just because they're feminists , as can be seen in [5] of my first argument. As well, there is a difference between the dictionary definition and what happens in reality. North Korea is officially "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea." Is it democratic? Is it a republic? Not at all. It's actions that matter. Feminists can claim that they're for gender equity for all, male, female, and non-gender-conforming folk, but it's their transmisogynist [3], man-hating [4] actions that most feminists feel free to ignore as those feminists are "not REAL feminists" that reveals its true nature. Domestic Responsibilties This is completely irrelevant. The question is whether feminism is necessary in modern First World countries, not still developing Third World countries where feminism is certainty still important and necessary. The claim that feminists are needed in First World countries has been rebutted. [1]http://www.consad.com... [2] http://www.huffingtonpost.com... [3] http://everydayfeminism.com... [4] http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk...

  • PRO

    So far in this debate we have two completely different...

    This house believes that the feminist movement should renounce the title of "Feminism".

    So far in this debate we have two completely different sides. We have a con who fails to recognize women have gained their rights over time and doesn't understand that it takes time for these statistics to change. Whereas our side believes that the name feminism has already been corrupted and has many flaws to begin with. Before I move onto my third point: the feminist movement has met its objectives, the title of "feminism"" is now no longer needed to empower women, therefore should be renounced, I would like to provide a few points of rebuttal. 1) Con has claimed that men earn more than woman. That is true. However this is not due to gender discrimination or anything related. In fact, statistics have shown that woman work less hours compare to their male counterparts and that if both female and male work the same amount of hours, this so-called gender pay inequality would be so minor that it is negligible. Also, a 1997 study shows that men's educational and experience levels are currently greater than women's and that men gravitate toward industries and occupations that are higher-paying than women, including union jobs. These factors reduce the remaining wage gap by 62 percent. Therefore your argument on this gender pay gap is invalid. 2) Rape. Woman has a higher chance to be raped. That is not true. While it is physically more difficult for women to rape the average male, the male victims of female rapists tend to be of much younger age, and much smaller build than the attacker. And, male arousal is a nearly purely physical response to stimulation and does not require emotional or mental arousal. 3) Women in middled east are ALLOWED to receive education. Look at Afghanistan and Syria. Now moving onto my third substantive: the title of "feminism" is now no longer needed to empower women, there should be renounced. In many developed countries, women have already gained rights. The only places where women haven't gain equal right as men are in 2 different type of places. 1) Religious inflicted countries and 2) countries that are in flux like Somalia. Therefore, generally this term is no longer needed.

  • CON

    My opponent dropped his case in the last round and thus...

    2nd wave and 3rd wave/modern feminism is harmful and should not exist.

    Unfortunately my opponenet has gone throughout this round without learning what a BOP is, so lets review what stands at this point... NOTHING! My opponent dropped his case in the last round and thus hasnt proven "2nd wave and 3rd wave/modern feminism is harmful and should not exist." Because of this we can only see a ballot in favor of the negation!