Pro vs. con view
Topic space viewThe west doesn't need feminism, it needs to move
Feminism needs to move to another country, maybe middle east, maybe any other 3rd world country. Pro will argue it's true Con will argue it's false Rounds 1) Acceptance 2) Opinion 3) Rebuttals 4) Defense Rules 1) No trolling 2) No raging 3) No ad hominem 4) No profanity 5) No forfeiting 6) Use Sources 7) Use Evidence Good luck with the debate.
Modern feminism is beneficial to America, and does not cause harm.
I am a Male Modern feminist and i would love to debate this topic, i accept. my only concerns for this debate is that con does not use radicals as examples of the harmful feminists. here are the list of topics i define as third wave feminism: -anti-rape culture -abortion rights -sexual harrassment against women -other societal issues and we should define "harm" as immoral or unjust effects.
Feminism is currently helping us reach gender equality in 1st world countries
yeah I think feminism is helping to change the world in a better way
Feminism is necessary in modern day United States.
In the United States of America, the government have given both men and women the same rights, but feminists are still rampant. This would not be a big if the feminist stuck to their morals, but while the dictionary definition of feminism is the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men, individual feminists have demonstrated otherwise and have turned this once proud movement into a cult.
Humanism > Feminism
I sincerely apologize if my argument didn't make much sense. I have a habit of turning ideas into long-winded walls of text so I will explain it more reasonably here. My comparison of racism to sexism is based on the notion that we don't really know what a problem is until it becomes a problem. We live our lives without worrying about what ills other people are exposed to until it starts to affect us directly or indirectly. It doesn't matter if Feminists are correct or incorrect in their assumptions of their being unequal to men, what matters is that they felt the need to speak up about it so that society will possibly open their eyes to a potential problem. If they didn't, society would be non-the-wiser about a potential problem. This applies for ALL problems, not just sexism. All of the problems feminist's claim to have are directed towards men because it is men that they blame for the source of the problems. If the problem is to be addressed, then it is men who must realize what's going on and to work with women on fixing the problem. So it is, in essence, the humanitarian action that you would want. Even if men are not the true source of women's problems, it's just a technical issue as it still raises awareness of women's rights and the expectations placed upon them. All publicity is good publicity sort of thing. I do agree with you that humanity should focus on solving our problems as quickly as possible without placing blame or pointing fingers. The blame game is one that I deeply despise since it solves nothing and only creates conflict. However, women who talk about the social issues they face are often told to stop complaining or stop blaming men for all their problems and most of the time, that isn't a fair thing to say. If they don't speak up, no one will know. As easy as it is to say we should deal with social issues as an equal society, we must first become an equal society. It isn't impossible either, it will just take these types of movements to slowly change our global society into a better one. What you want will happen eventually, maybe on a smaller scale, but it will, we just have to keep encouraging people to speak up and be heard so the hidden problems can surface now, rather than later. I thank my opponent for this interesting debate. Hopefully I was able to show how If the problem is to be addressed, then it is men who must realize what's going on and to work with women on fixing the problem. So it is, in essence, the humanitarian action that you would want. Even if men are not the true source of women's problems, it's just a technical issue as it still raises awareness of women's rights and the expectations placed upon them. All publicity is good publicity sort of thing. I do agree with you that humanity should focus on solving our problems as quickly as possible without placing blame or pointing fingers. The blame game is one that I deeply despise since it solves nothing and only creates conflict. However, women who talk about the social issues they face are often told to stop complaining or stop blaming men for all their problems and most of the time, that isn't a fair thing to say. If they don't speak up, no one will know. As easy as it is to say we should deal with social issues as an equal society, we must first become an equal society. It isn't impossible either, it will just take these types of movements to slowly change our global society into a better one. What you want will happen eventually, maybe on a smaller scale, but it will, we just have to keep encouraging people to speak up and be heard so the hidden problems can surface now, rather than later. I thank my opponent for this interesting debate. Hopefully I was able to show how Feminism (at it's heart) at least leads to their definition of Humanism, if it is not already apart of it.
Is Feminism unnecessary in the USA these days (pro=yes) (con=no)
Feminism has been a great thing through out history. It has seen the liberation of the previously suppressed sex, led to equality, and even made improvements to all of our lives. This movement may have lost sight of its goal, it may have turned to hate on the internet, but this only shows that we need to help and nurture this movement for civil liberties. I look forward to talking about this subject.
Feminism is Wrong
"The power to be paid like men are" - Women do get paid like men get paid. The wage gap is a myth. Men make more overall because of the jobs they choose. Women choose lower paying and more comfortable jobs while men do more dangerous and higher paying jobs. If women got paid less for doing the same exact job, everyone would hire women! "the power not to be judged by the fact that we are WOMEN doing MANLY things" - People get judged for everything they are and everything they do. It is human nature to evaluate people. I never heard of this being a problem for women. Seeing a woman do some major welding on the frame of a classic car is unusual but most men would enjoy seeing it. I have no idea what you think the problem is. "Women are treated like they are only good enough to take care of their husband (boyfriend or lover as well) for their sexual needs and their hunger" - Who does that? What is this, the 1950s? I am calling BS! In modern western society women are not viewed this way. There are some dummies who do but that is rare and our society as a whole looks at them like they are fools. "Then, on top of that women are paid WAY less than men." - Are you sure about that or are you just stating random figures that compare men's and women's earnings overall? "I looked on this site www.iwpr.org it says " Women, in 2015 were paid 80 cents for every dollar made by men ."" - Yeah, you are comparing overall figures. Men are not "paid" more. Men "earn" more. Men go into higher paying and more dangerous jobs. That means they get paid more. It is only natural for oil miners to be paid more than a middle school teacher. Women tend to be teachers while men go off and risk their lives on an oil rig. 2 of your points are identical and flat out wrong. If you truly believe this then you are fighting AGAINST the woman's right to decide for herself what she wants to do. You are saying women should go for jobs where they can earn more money instead of jobs they truly want. You think women get paid less for the same identical job but that is flat out wrong and illegal. I think we have a feminist paradox where Seeing a woman do some major welding on the frame of a classic car is unusual but most men would enjoy seeing it. I have no idea what you think the problem is. "Women are treated like they are only good enough to take care of their husband (boyfriend or lover as well) for their sexual needs and their hunger" - Who does that? What is this, the 1950s? I am calling BS! In modern western society women are not viewed this way. There are some dummies who do but that is rare and our society as a whole looks at them like they are fools. "Then, on top of that women are paid WAY less than men." - Are you sure about that or are you just stating random figures that compare men's and women's earnings overall? "I looked on this site www.iwpr.org it says " Women, in 2015 were paid 80 cents for every dollar made by men ."" - Yeah, you are comparing overall figures. Men are not "paid" more. Men "earn" more. Men go into higher paying and more dangerous jobs. That means they get paid more. It is only natural for oil miners to be paid more than a middle school teacher. Women tend to be teachers while men go off and risk their lives on an oil rig. 2 of your points are identical and flat out wrong. If you truly believe this then you are fighting AGAINST the woman's right to decide for herself what she wants to do. You are saying women should go for jobs where they can earn more money instead of jobs they truly want. You think women get paid less for the same identical job but that is flat out wrong and illegal. I think we have a feminist paradox where There are some dummies who do but that is rare and our society as a whole looks at them like they are fools. "Then, on top of that women are paid WAY less than men." - Are you sure about that or are you just stating random figures that compare men's and women's earnings overall? "I looked on this site www.iwpr.org it says " Women, in 2015 were paid 80 cents for every dollar made by men ."" - Yeah, you are comparing overall figures. Men are not "paid" more. Men "earn" more. Men go into higher paying and more dangerous jobs. That means they get paid more. It is only natural for oil miners to be paid more than a middle school teacher. Women tend to be teachers while men go off and risk their lives on an oil rig. 2 of your points are identical and flat out wrong. If you truly believe this then you are fighting AGAINST the woman's right to decide for herself what she wants to do. You are saying women should go for jobs where they can earn more money instead of jobs they truly want. You think women get paid less for the same identical job but that is flat out wrong and illegal. I think we have a feminist paradox where feminism is saying women should have less rights!
Modern Feminism (3rd/4th Wave) is Unnecessary as well as Unfair to Men.
Firstly, this debate is about feminism in the West. I thought that was obvious. I apologize. Saudi Arabia The literacy rate for women is 91%. They receive education. In fact, over HALF of university grads are women. The average age of first marriage is 25. In fact, many conservative women adamantly oppose their own liberation. Translation? They don't WANT rights. In fact, there is a high percentage of women in parliament in S.A. They are in a position to improve their lives yet do not. Feminism in those countries is first or second wave, not third and fourth. Source- Same as my opponent's Afghanistan My opponent did not just cite the source, he also C/P'd the ENTIRE article. Early emperors advocated for women's rights. Also, there was an Afghan queen, whereas we have yet to have a female president. In 1921, King Amanullah made many laws abolishing forced marriage, child marriage, bride price, and put restrictions on polygamy. The only problem is that there was difficulty enforcing laws. This is an illegal conduct, and is opposed by the formal government. After the Taliban was deposed, women have been given a plethora of rights. In fact, they are better off than in S.A! So these instances are illegal, and not allowed by the government. https://en.wikipedia.org... Mali Women in Mali are legally equal to males. Actions against them are unlawful. 10.5% of the parliament of Mali are women. Once again, they are in a position to improve their lives. Yet they don't. Males and females are also offered equal health care. Poor equipment is the cause for the deaths. Marriage is only legal for women at 18, and for men at 21. https://en.wikipedia.org... Your arguments are both flawed and incorrect. Even Wikipedia knows more than your source, which is biased towards feminism. The point is, my opponent's source (http://www.feministezine.com...) is heavily biased and while is partially correct, the actions against women in these countries is illegal and the fault of those perpetrating them and not the fault of the government or lack of feminism.
Feminism is a flawed ideology and has made women much more miserable
Feminism is cancer. Change my mind.
Feminism equality has been achieved these are just women looking for handouts
Feminism: The belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities http://www.merriam-webster.com... The pros round will flow as follows: - Women can work the same jobs as men. - Women can choose how to live their lives. - Women today are looking for handouts as feminism is already achieved. Women can work the same jobs as men http://usnews.nbcnews.com... http://www.navy.mil...(Question 10) Con claims that Women are allowed to do all the same jobs as men, pro will proceed to disprove this. In terms of the USA, one of the more progressive nations with feminism, women are still limited when it comes to the military. The pros two examples will be that of their inability to get assigned to full-time service aboard any type of military submarine and their inability to enter any of the special forces groups. The former due to claims of a lack of privacy and habitability without real explanations that empirically prove a woman is unable to serve aboard the vessels and the latter having the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff wanting them to get the go-ahead and yet women are still not allowed to join. Women can choose how to live their lives. http://www.washingtonpost.com... (For the purpose of this debate, my evidence is the synopsis of the video included rather than the video itself due to its pointless humor, feel free to watch it but I will base my test off of what is written around it.) The con failed to look at the poster child of female oppression, Saudi Arabia. 'each Saudi woman has a "male guardian," typically their father or brother or husband, who has the same sort of legal power over her that a parent has over a child. She needs his formal permission to travel, work, go to school or get medical treatment.'[sic] This statement elegantly summarizes the obvious, that feminism has not completed their goals. http://www.globalpost.com... This particular article talks about Saudi Arabia deciding to keep child marriage. The particular case in question was about wedding an 8 year old girl to a man in his late 40s. Women today are just looking for handouts This will effectively be the pro summary as the pro has more than fulfilled their burden of proof. As Feminism calls for equality and the pro has presented evidence proving that equality has not been achieved, the pro automatically wins so long as con fails to adequately counter this evidence. In addition, the pro reserves the right to clarify and provide definitions to defend their evidence and arguments.
