• CON

    Additionally, you had to do laundry far more often than...

    Uniforms In Schools K-12

    Thanks for the debate, Pro. To clarify, I went to a Catholic HS and absolutely loved wearing uniforms. That said, I'll proceed to negate the resolution at hand. [ Rebuttal of Pro's Arguments ] 1. School uniforms make getting dressed easier and less time consuming. While the decision process of what to wear might be easier, it's not true that uniforms are always convenient. For instance, suppose you have 4 uniforms that you rotate. For one thing, what happens if some of your uniforms are dirty, and the ones that aren't get ripped or somehow soiled? This is a problem that everyone I know who were required to wear uniforms has had, including myself. If a part of your uniform was missing or unavailable to you, then you essentially could not attend school that day. Additionally, you had to do laundry far more often than you would if you didn't have to rely on just a few uniforms for continued use, making the clothing process not any less time consuming (perhaps even more time consuming) and also economically and environmentally unfriendly considering the amount of water being used on a frequent basis. 2. Uniforms are less expensive than current clothing trends, thus they are more economical. Actually, it depends on the uniform. Some uniforms are more expensive than others. This argument does not stand against people who make their own clothes, or who specifically shop at vintage stores or other lower priced outlets for their attire (like Wal-Mart). In that way, forcing someone to buy clothes more expensive than what they would typically or could conceivably wear is unfair, and a policy that wouldn't hold water in a public school. The only way it would work is if those who couldn't afford the uniforms could receive some assistance, meaning it would actually cost the tax payers money to help dress people in clothes that they might not even want to wear. This option seems like it's only economical for the company who makes the uniforms, as well as an infringement of rights on the tax payers. Plus, even if tax payers weren't somehow held responsible, it's still an infringement of rights that some would be required to buy these uniforms because children are required by law to attend school. 3. Uniforms would eliminate students being ostracized based on what they wear. Maybe not. In my Catholic HS, students were not ostracized for what they wore but rather how they wore it (i.e. their skirt was too long, etc.). Additionally, students will just find other things to tease about, such as jewelry accessories or lack thereof. Plus, this is kind of a moot point since teasing is going to occur anyway. Instead of saying "Your shirt is really ugly," people will just say, "Your face is really ugly." That type of ostracizing is routine in schools and it will not decrease in general thanks to the implementation of school uniforms. 4. Uniforms provide a level of safety in schools. In situations where harm has ever been done to a student body, the perpetrator almost always went to that school, so whether or not they had a uniform would be irrelevant (since they probably would). Further, you could easily avoid a label of gang affiliation by monitoring what you wear. [ Conclusion ] In addition to my points about being forced to do a lot of laundry, spend money on clothes you might not want to wear for possibly a higher cost, etc., I maintain that uniforms shouldn't be forced upon public schools because they're unnecessary. Additionally, the benefits aren't definite and don't outweigh the detriments. Why should we be forced to accept something that doesn't even really help? Students develop a sense of identity sometimes by how they dress. Additionally, letting them come to their own decisions about dress and its implications can provide beneficial and educational results that go beyond a classroom and into a sociological perspective. I'll send this debate back to my opponent for now -- good luck!

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  • CON

    The first reason is that they strongly violate students...

    Should schools require uniforms

    I am strongly against school uniforms. The first reason is that they strongly violate students personal freedom. School often push that students should always be themselves, but is that really possible when they all have to wear the same thing. The next reason is that uniforms are expensive and few stores carry them. I will explain my other reasons in the next round

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  • CON

    just because kids wear school uniforms doesn't mean their...

    Should uniforms be at schools

    just because kids wear school uniforms doesn't mean their gonna get bullied on their clothes they can still get bullied,for glasses,hair,shoes,and if their poor or not so school uniforms will only solve one problem.Kids could also have growth sperts and their parents don't have the money to buy another one or wash

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  • PRO

    Before we go on with this debate, I will ask you to not...

    School Uniforms should be allowed in Shcool

    Before we go on with this debate, I will ask you to not plagiarize off of other sites while not give them credit. It is not right to plagiarize off of other people, and even worse to no give them credit. You have obviously plagiarized, word for word, every single statement off of "http://everydaylife.globalpost.com...;. You also have plagiarized off of,"http://occupytheory.org...;. Finally, you have copied off of another DDO member's idea and had not given him credit, naming the person "Anonymous". I do believe that only the last 3 sentences are actually original so I will only respond to those. Plagiarism is not a good practice while debating or anywhere else, and I hope you will fix this or I will have to say that you shall lose by forfeit. I want to hear your opinions in your own words, not the opinions and ideas of some other random person. For this reason, I have chosen not to answer your arguments this round besides the last three sentences. Thank you. Answers to Last Three Sentences 1st sentence: All cities do not have serious gang violence. But all of the bigger cities and even a lot of the smaller ones do, and if this is prevented from all schools, then the schools with gangs will benefit. Also, the federal government does not know enough of gang movement to know exactly which cities the gangs are in, so they cannot just enforce these laws in cities where they think gangs are. And what in the world do the students being gay have to do with the conversation? 2nd sentence: Smart intruders who are planning specifically to attack the school probably cannot be prevented because of their prior planning. But there might be intruders that have a gun and just want to kill people with it. These are the people that could be identified without a school uniform and dealt with accordingly. 3rd sentence: If everyone is wearing school uniforms, then no one will be picked on because everyone is wearing it. You cannot pick on someone else for something you are doing yourself.

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  • PRO

    While I understand that we certainly don't want students...

    All schools shouldn't have uniforms

    Those rules seem fair enough. While uniforms do give off a professional atmosphere for the children, I do not see how normal clothes can be distracting. Does that mean teachers should wear uniforms too? While I understand that we certainly don't want students coming to school in a bikini or a banana costume, a respectable dress code with no uniform should be reasonable for all schools. Also, parents shouldn't be forced to pay loads of money for uniforms which cost much more than regular clothes. Uniforms are simply not needed and do not affect the school at all.

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  • PRO

    I Believe that school uniforms should be in all schools....

    Should schools require uniforms

    I Believe that school uniforms should be in all schools. it would teach kids to accept each other more and help kids find themselves, instead of worrying about how to fit in as far as dressing goes, and it would help kids follow the dress code of their school. If more schools required that a student wear uniforms maybe they wouldn't be so expensive but there are places you can get them cheap, just like every other expensive thing in this world , and usually a school will offer a loan uniform to the kids who can't afford one.

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  • PRO

    High schools do not have the right to have school...

    uniforms in high schools

    "High schools do not have the right to have school uniforms because not everyone wants to be the same they want to be able to wear what the want and we all are different and not be equal because all have different personality" High Schools have the right to have do school uniforms because making someone wear a certain piece of clothing does not suppress there personality that is a ludicrous assumption to make. If that was true every fashion trend would suppress everyone personality to.

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  • CON

    You shouldn't come to rely on the school, and further,...

    Uniforms In Schools K-12

    Pro maintains that school uniforms are convenient because they will make getting dressed easier and less time consuming. I maintain that this is irrelevant. Just because one might spend 2 minutes picking out their outfit instead of 5 doesn't mean that schools should mandate same-ness. Maybe some people (especially women) LIKE shopping and don't mind. Further, what about my supposition that some people might simply prefer to make their own clothes? This entire point is based on a lot of hypotheticals and contains mostly irrelevant arguments. For instance, I've said, "What if someone's uniforms are all dirty and they don't have any clean ones to wear to school?" Pro came back with, "Well most schools have a supply in case of emergencies." In that case, what if they DON'T? Or what if they don't fit? Or what if kids are unaware of this option? Or what if people abuse this option? Or what if the school runs out? Etc. You shouldn't come to rely on the school, and further, realistically most students would rather just stay home from school for a day than borrow a random school uniform. I know I did. Pro has said, "Your first argument is a transfer fallacy of composition. In other words, it relies on the assumption that what is true of the part (a student with 4 uniforms) is also true of the whole (students with more or less uniforms)." The same could be said about every argument put forth from the Pro in this regard in favor of school uniforms. I'll explain what I mean as we continue out throughout the debate. For now, I'd point out that the first argument of it being less of a hassle to have uniforms is simply (a) irrelevant and (b) not proven. It wouldn't be less of a hassle in every or even most situations for all people, and simply because it might be easier to be told what to wear doesn't mean that it's the favorable option. Some people LIKE choice and variety. We live in a society that appreciates individuality. 2. Pro's next point claims, "Whether or not the student wants to wear the uniforms is insignificant (plenty of taxpayer dollars go to things they/others do not want)." So basically what Pro is advocating for is a continuation of the trend that tax payers pay taxes for things against their desires. Interesting. I wonder how the students in uniform will feel about that trend when learning about concepts like "fascism" lol. Pro continues, "Uniforms can be bought at places such as Walmart/thrift stores." Really? Because the ones I had to wear in HS had my school's name on them and could only be bought from a specific retailer. Talk about a lack of competition (there's that fascism again... kidding). Pro also writes, "Students who cannot afford uniforms have the option to receive free/reduced priced uniforms that have been donated." This shows that he's relying on charity; an option that is hardly ever sufficient. 3. Kids will always be teased. If it's not about their clothes, it'd be about their looks, intelligence, athletic ability, etc. Pro quotes a teacher stating, "I have taught 40 years and have seen increased PRESSURE in the area of fitting in." So, to solve this problem we FORCE people to fit in?! There is something inherently wrong about that. We should be embracing and encouraging individuality, and teaching important lessons such as not valuing an individual or judging them by the clothes that they wear. Also, you don't need uniforms to have an "appropriate" educational setting. That comes with discipline and good educators. Students can be home-schooled in their pajamas and still receive an outstanding education. 4. Anyone who wants to cause a school harm would hardly care about having a uniform. As I've already said (Pro did not refute it), many of those who cause harm to schools i.e. school shooters go to the school and would therefore have a uniform, making this an irrelevant point. Also, people don't typically fight over another person having crappy clothes.

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  • PRO

    But, if you look at it logically it doesn't make since to...

    Public Schools should have uniforms

    First off there is no reason for there to be any school uniforms. Unless if you are in sports! Obviously, you wear them then. There might be alot of reasons. One, it breeds professionalism. But, if you look at it logically it doesn't make since to wear school uniforms like private schools do. Yes, us public school could be better with school uniforms mainly of the fact of that there wouldn't be a school dress code we all have to abed by... What? Please be more clear. Just a uniform but the only reason we don't is because public schools are from the state and the private schools are not.. NOT SCHOOL OF THE PUBLIC KIND FOR UNIFORMS!!!! I did not understand Con. Freedom of Expression doesn't count. Imagine being in a wedding and you talk about how sexy one of the newlyweds are in bed would get you kicked out. You being kicked out is 100% just. As such to school can send you with better clothes if yours don't reach the wanted way.

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  • CON

    In a disaster, it would be hard to get identified quickly...

    Uniforms or not

    People should be able to wear what they want. In a disaster, it would be hard to get identified quickly because everyone looks the same. Some family's can't even afford the uniform that the In a disaster, it would be hard to get identified quickly because everyone looks the same. Some family's can't even afford the uniform that the school would want.If a kid is in elementry school, they will want to wear what they want. When they are older, the clothes that they wanted to wear will not fit them when they are an adult. If kids can't afford designer clothes, they could just go to some place like gap, old navy, or walmart etc... Some kids like to express themselves with what they wear. Kids are only kids for a little while. It also teaches little kids how to match clothes for when they are older. When they are older, they might still have to where uniforms.

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