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Is Feminism unnecessary in the USA these days (pro=yes) (con=no)

Feminism is unnecessarily these days in the USA.

Feminism! Hooray!

Hey, thanks again for the kind words. Like You, I'm going to have to keep this fairly ad hoc. I've been super busy with a publication that is coming out fairly soon and had to put this on the back-burner. I'm afraid that this 'post' will be far less detailed or considered than previous contributions and will be mainly dedicated to clarifying pervious points you have taken issue with, because I've only about half an hour. So, my apologies. Rape Culture I think that your point regarding non-gendered violence which primarily victimises males is somewhat misleading. While it is not the primary focus of feminism I don't think, as you appear to be arguing, that this failure somehow invalidates the concerns of feminists. You and I have been having fruitful discussion on the topic of violence, yet neither of us has brought up gun culture. Does that therefore mean that we do not have opinions or concerns on this topic? I can say that, in my case, absolutely that is not the case, and doubtless a thoughtful person such as yourself will also have views on that. However, we have not discussed it because it is not relevant (or has not yet been made relevant) to the agenda of our discussion. By the same token doubtless most feminists also have a position on the problem of violence as a whole, but that it is not pertinent to the specific issue that they are campaigning about. I also wholly disagree with you regarding the issue of the importance of their being a rape culture. As I believe that academic sources I provided earlier show, significant evidence regarding rape suggests that our culture, and the way in which it is gendered, and tends to objectify women, has a direct impact on rape as a crime. I think I've made this case in fairly clear terms. Regarding the way that women dress in reality, as opposed to media constructed notions of femininity, I think that it is something of a none-issue. As discussed earlier, rapists tend to select victims based on perceived ability to dominate them. Whether a woman wears a thong and short skirt or not is very unlikely to influence the odds on whether she is attacked by a sexual predator. It is also misleading to homogenise feminism in this kind of fashion, some feminists would oppose the way that young women dress while others would see it as empowering. Regarding your example, until you can show that women can take meaningful measures against being raped, then the point is moot. Anita Again, I don't think that, despite her popularity, that she adequately showcases feminism to be worth giving the oxygen of further discussion. I don't think that, despite her recent e-fame that she is representative of anything, and I also strongly suspect that she is not completely 'genuine'. I don't want to libel her with unsubstantiated accusations, so I'll leave it at that. You sound like you have played a fair number of games in an online environment, as have I. Perhaps it is the different games that we both tend to play, but I would say (and it is only my experience, but one I think is well backed up by commentators I've referenced in previous rounds). Female Nudes You contend that this happens to men as well, and that may be true. However, it seems to disproportionately happen to women. Why else is it, that this vast invasion of female celebrities privacy seemingly effected only female celebrities? Where men were involved, they were incidental to the main target of the hack. Steubenville Again, as I noted, I picked that example because it was so egregious. As I hoped I showed with my follow up, the wider point is to show general media attitudes which studies of discourse analysis have showed are undeniably gendered. Pay gap While you are correct that I have not directed you to the raw data, I think that given the other supporting evidence provided (including the conclusions of the US Department of Labor) that the material I provided can be considered a truism. Meanwhile, the articles I provided, which explained the phenomenon on a psychological level, have not really been addressed in your replies. Anyway, again, I'm sorry that this reply is somewhat perfunctory. I hope to make it up to you in my concluding remarks.

Feminism fights to harm men.

Opening statement: Most may argue that my arguments only apply to the radical feminists, but the radical feminists are the famous and widely-known feminists that taint feminism. Feminism in countries like Iraq (or Islamic nations), where women are actually oppressed. In countries like the USA, women have it much better thanks to laws like affirmative action or VAMA. (which is very unneeded and sexist) 1. Today's society is feminist. Feminism blames men and the false patriarchy for every societal problem. I have been the victim of feminists, only because I said, "there isn't a patriarchy and women can be blamed just as much as men." I was called "a woman hater." They said "I was most likely a man, because all men hate women." If this is not a burden of proof, I still have more. 2. Feminists victimize women, and assume all men are predators . If this is not misandry, then I honestly don't know what is! This is the most falsified claim feminism has made. There are many women who get let off free for raping a child, or a man. Just because men can't get pregnant, doesn't automatically make them rapists and unable to be raped. 3. If you're a convicted criminal, the best thing you can have going for you might be your gender. A new study by Sonja Starr, an assistant law professor at the University of Michigan, found that men are given much higher sentences than women convicted of the same crimes in federal court. The study found that men receive sentences that are 63 percent higher, on average, than their female counterparts. Starr also found that females arrested for a crime are also significantly more likely to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted.[1] This is also misandry caused by our feminist society. 4. Have a look at the second-wave feminist view of men for an example. Valerie Solanas, the radical feminist who shot Andy Warhol in 1968, provides a famous example of misandry in her self-published SCUM Manifesto. In case you"re wondering, SCUM is an acronym for "Society for Cutting Up Men", practically a call for gendercide, the culling of men. Quite literally, Solanas expressed her desire to "institute complete automation and destroy the male sex."[2] 5. The next time you switch on the television, count how many programs have the token "stupid boyfriend" or "abusive husband" or "pedophilic father" figure. Switch over to a children"s channel / time window and watch how many cartoons or programs reflect "silly daddy" characters or "bullying big brother". Don"t forget, of course, nearly all the women in these same programs will be smart, sexy, sassy and full of beans, capable of juggling a career lifestyle with children, a husband and a social circle " let"s not forget that she"s undoubtedly a wonderful cook and always remembers everybody"s birthdays. If these images are being constantly spread out over our airwaves, what does that tell our children who are growing up watching & learning daily, hourly, that men are just so stupid, abusive and " well, useless?[2] 6.Think "Violence Against Women Act" " notice something wrong in that? Notice how violence against men or children is not mentioned? VAWA implies, through it"s title alone, that men are the primary perpetrators of violence " despite 30 years of research and in excess of 130 scientific studies proving that intimate partner violence is roughly mutual. Time and time again, the results say the same "men and women are equally violent towards one another". And yet, when feminists demand preferential treatment or additional "rights", the government promptly delivers, like a good boy."[2] 7. This claim is from a source that tied all of this info together for easy use and I will source most of the available sources I use, but I will also source the main website. This is proof that feminism ignores men's problems completely. Men are: 76% of homicide victims " DOJ 80% of Suicide victims " CDC "The other most common suicide victims are divorced and/or estranged fathers like Derrick Miller. In fact, a divorced father is ten times more likely to commit suicide than a divorced mother, and three times more likely to commit suicide than a married father."Men are the overwhelming majority of rape victims Male rape has been called "The most closely guarded secret of American prisons." (Weiss and Friar 1974) There are estimated to be over 300,000 male rapes per year in American prisons and jails. Father"s rights group want shared parenting (equal custody) to be the default if both parents want custody and neither parent is unfit. They feel that men should not be punished for being men, and that women should not be awarded custody to their kids simply for being women. Currently women are awarded primary custody almost all the time, even if the husband was the stay-at-home Dad and the woman was the breadwinner. Feminists fought against this. You can read NOW"s own statement here. Also note their usage of anti-male lies, i.e. "fathers are abusive, don"t give them custody." That is from 1997, but still remains valid today. Men want protection against false rape allegations. They feel that a man"s life should not be ruined simply on the allegation of a woman who may be a vindictive liar. Currently, a woman can accuse a man of rape for no reason, and the man"s name is splashed in the paper and his life is ruined. So, they fought for laws granting men anonymity until charged with the crime of rape"not convicted, just charged. Feminists fought against this, causing it to fail. Also see here, the London Feminist Network campaigning to defeat the proposal. "The London Feminist Network is a campaigning organisation uniting London based feminist groups and individuals in activism." Men want an end to the justice system favouring women simply because they are women, and giving men harsher sentences simply because they are men. Feminists fought against this, arguing that no woman should be sent to jail, even women who had murdered multiple people. Men want equal treatment when victims of domestic violence, and to not be arrested for the crime of "being male" under primary aggressor policies. Feminists fought against this by trying to suppress evidence showing that half of domestic violence is done by women, by threatening the researchers with bomb threats, death threats, etc. Modern, younger feminists are doing it as well. And sadly, they were successful in this effort of propaganda. For decades, and continuing today, violent men are (rightfully) convicted and punished by the state, while violent women are left to freely terrorize and harm their partners. The feminist definition of domestic violence has skewed arrest and prosecution philosophies, resulting primarily in having only male batterers criminally pursued. Men want female rapists to be arrested, charged, and convicted with rape. In Western countries, women are rarely punished when raping men, due to the biased legal system. In some countries, women cannot be punished when raping men, since rape is defined as a male-perpetrated crime. Feminists fought against this in India, arguing that "there is a physicality [in] rape" and that it would make things "more complicated for judges." Feminists fought against this in Israel, claiming that changing the law would result in men filing false rape claims. Men don"t want to be thrown in jail because they lost their jobs and temporarily cannot pay child support. Feminists fought against this, trying to lower the amount to $5000 before a man is guilty of a felony for not paying child support. If a man loses a decent-paying job, he will now be a felon, go to jail, lose his right to vote, AND be unable to find future jobs"if he cannot regain an equal-paying job within a few months. Men want equal economic support and help from the government. When the recession hit, male-dominated fields like construction lost millions of jobs, while female-fields like education and healthcare gained jobs. So the government proposed an economic stimulus for those fields. Feminists successfully fought against this, arguing that it was discrimination to support men, and caused the government to give money to women who didn"t deserve it. Hundreds of professional feminists complained against the "sexism" of helping men (who had lost jobs) and not women (who had gained jobs). A representative of the Michigan National Organization for Women testified in opposition to the Revocation of Paternity Act, which stopped the old law which stated that if a woman was married and cheated on her husband, the resulting child is considered to be legally the husband"s and the biological father had no legal rights to fight for custody or parenting time with his biological child. As you can see, the claim that feminism fight for men"s rights is a blatant lie. Don"t believe any feminists that say that. Feminists fight for women"s rights. That is a good thing. Feminists also are happy to harm men"s rights, as shown above. That is a bad thing. Feminism is about female privilege, not equality. Some may argue that these cases of feminists harming men is not "representative" of feminism. I ask you: Are there any cases of feminists helping men? No. Yet, there are many cases of feminists harming men. It is reasonable to conclude from these facts that feminism fights to harm men. http://tinyurl.com...

Is feminism an equality or women superiority

On one side many men consider feminism to be a "religion" of fat lesbians whom men don't want. They think that feminists hate man, etc, etc. On the other side many feminists are beautiful women who have compassion for girl and women all over the world who don't have basic human rights - right not to be used as an object, not to be sold in slavery, right to freedom, etc. Women should have all those rights, yet they don't. So technically this is equality but a women equality with men.

CMV: Feminism is wildly misinterpreted by its opponents

I always hear from opponents of feminism that toxic masculinity shreds up the essence of manliness, casts masculinity into some evil, etc. I hear counterpoints that men have their problems too (which is not a counterpoint as feminism embraces that). I think people do not understand that modern feminism is a social movement borne out of critical gender theory, which is a branch of critical theory that examines the social construction of gender. For instance, what makes a man, a ?man, or a woman, a ?woman?, and the non discrete relationship between their performative elements. Many issues revolving around modern woman-ness include the subjugation through reproductive obligations, division of labor within the family and society, access to capital and intergenerational wealth, political agency, etc. Of course modern feminists (who know what they are talking about) do not dispute the reality that mostly men are in the prison system, they endure harsher penalties from the state, have higher suicide rates, are employed in more dangerous work conditions, lose custody battles at higher rates, etc. But feminists include these issues in the construction of man-ness too, and academics actively study root societal causes for these issues. They advocate against them! So in my mind, there is no reason to not be a feminist other than avoiding a label that has been propagandized by its political opponents.

Feminism is irrelevant, unjust and flawed. It should be stopped.

Feminism should have died in the 80s

Tird wave Feminism has gone too far.

In this debate I will support the opinion that Third wave feminism has gone too far. While the first and second wave focused on general equality issues. Third wave feminism has halted and has begun to look for ways to give advantages to one half of the population while attacking the second half. This Marxist ideology has stopped looking for actual cases of injustice and inequality throughout the world. Feminism once having achieved its goals of equality in the western world has continued to argue for those same policies. Since the ideologies goals have already come to fruition this can only create inequality. The biggest arguments I will address are equal pay, healthcare and the attack on men's behavior. I will do this in a unique way by citing Beauvoir one of the most prominent feminists. To do this I will address how this ideology objectifies men while maintaining that they are the victims. Good luck and my the best rhetoric win.