• PRO

    Uniforms make it easier to identify those who are not...

    Uniforms or not

    Hello. I am in favor of uniforms and I believe that they are beneficial. Here we go. Points: 1. If you have to express yourself by your clothes, you probably dont have anything worth expressing. It should be how you act and what you have to say that determines who you are. 2. Families with lower income dont have to compete with children who get all brand name clothes and who are wealthier. 3. Kids social standing should be based on individual character and personality and less on their economic status. 4. Uniforms make it easier to identify those who are not from the school , thus increasing security and safety. 5. Students wouldnt be embarrased or harrased about what they are wearing. 6. Sense of belonging to your school, "School Pride!!" 7. there are no "bodily" distractions with a school uniform. 8. It is significantly easier to dress yourself in the morning. Now, as a debater on this website, I will request that you refute each of my points individually. Thank you and good luck.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Uniforms-or-not/1/
  • CON

    This is a problem for three reasons: First: We still have...

    Mandatory School Uniforms are a violation of free expression

    I'd like to thank my opponent for his acceptance and would love to begin without much further adeiu. My Opponent's Case: My opponent's case makes a whole lot of historical and statistical claims...before actually getting to the relevant part of if it violates Free Expression. The points about the colors of clothing having effects and how much we spend on clothing and different ways to wear one's trousers, while certainly being interesting, have no pertinance on the actual resolution today. The points about color specifically are just an arbitrary assigning of value based on appearance, but I don't feel like wasting time on something that doens't link to the resolution. ANYWAY, let us continue. My opponent then goes on to make the claim, actually on topic this time, that because uniforms offer a limited range of clothes it represses our ability to freely express ourselves. This is a problem for three reasons: First: We still have the ability to design how we present ourselves physically that go outside of the clothes we wear. The make-up women use, the way one styles and/or colors their hair, accessories and types and brands of shoes, all of which are not generally addressed by uniforms, are ways for one to express themselves while maintaining consistency with the school dress code. So it doesn't actually preclude our ability to express ourselves, and thus doesn't violate it. Second: Even if we don't have control over anything that we wear or how we appear in any aspect (doubtful in itself), we still control how we act. Baring a mental coersion treatment where we are forced to act how the school wants us to in this uniform, we control how we wish to act. Our actions function as our ability to express ourselves far better than any clothing can, due to the fact that clothing are unable to truly express us without our actions and personality affecting what we wear. This alone allows us to fully express ourselves, regardless of what we wear. Third: Even the courts, the people who have decided on the freedom of speech and expression and the like, ruled that school uniforms don't violate our freedom of expression.[1] As such, school uniforms actually don't violate our freedom of expression, as there are many ways we can still express ourselves. Sources: [1] http://www.freerepublic.com...

  • CON

    Intro: I see the world become so uniform. Everybody has...

    Kids should wear school uniforms

    Intro: I see the world become so uniform. Everybody has to be the same. I like people who are different. Eric Cantona Contention 1: Freedom of expression. We have a right to express ourselves how we choose. We are individuals. We are not the same. We need to express ourselves. The index did a story on March 20th, 2013. It states, "The lack of access to freedom of expression is a problem that particularly affects the already marginalised "" that is, minorities facing discrimination both in developed and developing countries, from LGBT people in African countries, to disabled people in Western Europe. While the scale of their struggles varies greatly, the principle is the same: within the context of their society, these groups face greater barriers to freedom of expression than the majority. If they are unable to communicate their ideas, views, worries and needs effectively, means they are often excluded from meaningful participation in society, and from the opportunity to better their own circumstances. In other words, discrimination is one of the core elements of unequal access to freedom of expression." We need freedom of expression. https://www.indexoncensorship.org... Contention 2: School uniform policies are bad. They don't have that much power. Plus it targets the wrong people.The gaurdian did a story on June 19th, 2014. It states, "The state sixth-form college I attended had a nonexistent clothing policy " many of us took our A-levels in pyjamas without a teacher batting an eyelid " and a track record in results that rivalled the nearby private schools. At one of those private schools, my teenage boyfriend was being harassed, repeatedly, about his haircut by a cohort of adults. At one point, the headmaster of this prestigious institution was left with his head in his hands by the very idea of a (clever, well behaved) young boy whose naturally curly hair went slightly past his ears. Suspension from school was seriously discussed " even expulsion. He was a straight-A student. It was utterly absurd." http://www.theguardian.com... Contention 3: Costs. I could buy a few days worth of regular clothes in exchange for this single school unifom. Here are the prices of school uniforms per gender. Now compare that to your own shopping readers. Think about how absurd this really is. Claims are there of saving money. Really? More like wanting them to spend more. http://www.classroomuniforms.com... Conclusion: School uniforms are bad in more than one way. I hope this has helped shed some light on the situation. Please vote for me.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Kids-should-wear-school-uniforms/1/
  • CON

    I think that uniforms are boring and are not helpful

    are school uniforms good or bad

    I think that uniforms are boring and are not helpful

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/are-school-uniforms-good-or-bad/1/
  • CON

    I think uniforms are not comfortable. They don't make...

    We need school uniforms

    I think uniforms are not comfortable. They don't make students express their feelings, and students don't like them.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/We-need-school-uniforms/1/
  • CON

    My psychic powers already told me that you had an evil...

    TROLL DEBATE: School Uniforms Should Not Be Required

    My psychic powers already told me that you had an evil twin brother. He wants world domination but the only way he can be defeated is by wearing a Winnie the Pooh uniform. Oh god help us! Don't ban the only thing that can save us! School uniforms!

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  • CON

    Well that's what it sounds like from your above statement...

    School Uniforms benefit schools

    Thank you for a wonderful debate. REFUTATIONS: "Yeah but you're talking about finding a look." And sometime that is the only way for a kid to express themselves. "So you are of the belief that kids expressing themselves with clothing will take from the other ways in which they could express themselves. Well that's what it sounds like from your above statement anyway. So by your logic allowing students to wear their own clothes would take from their expressing themselves and being creative in subjects like art, English and music." Some kids aren't able to express themselves in those other fields. I am just suggesting that we keep the option of kids expressing themselves through clothes open. "I'll give you that, but its a small price to pay to free up all that creativity that could be put to a better use than finding a look, isn't it?" No, creativity isn't finite resource, to only be used in one field. If you are creative, and you make a painting, you are not "less" creative than before you made the painting. However, there are limited ways you can use your creativity. It is obviously ideal to use it in all the ways possible. "And why doesn't the student just buy the uniform if he's that stuck for money" Because they are uncomfortable, and can't be used for physical activities. "There is no huge difference in the prices you found for us seeing as you left out the belt to go with the jeans and t-shirt." That is because few kids wear a belt with jeans and a t-shirt, and it is not required. "Your argument is based on the fact that someone might only be able to afford one pair of clothes but you haven't put forward any argument for why the jeans and t-shirt are a necessity." Kid's need clothes, at the very least, for athletic activities. "Whereas in a Well that's what it sounds like from your above statement anyway. So by your logic allowing students to wear their own clothes would take from their expressing themselves and being creative in subjects like art, English and music." Some kids aren't able to express themselves in those other fields. I am just suggesting that we keep the option of kids expressing themselves through clothes open. "I'll give you that, but its a small price to pay to free up all that creativity that could be put to a better use than finding a look, isn't it?" No, creativity isn't finite resource, to only be used in one field. If you are creative, and you make a painting, you are not "less" creative than before you made the painting. However, there are limited ways you can use your creativity. It is obviously ideal to use it in all the ways possible. "And why doesn't the student just buy the uniform if he's that stuck for money" Because they are uncomfortable, and can't be used for physical activities. "There is no huge difference in the prices you found for us seeing as you left out the belt to go with the jeans and t-shirt." That is because few kids wear a belt with jeans and a t-shirt, and it is not required. "Your argument is based on the fact that someone might only be able to afford one pair of clothes but you haven't put forward any argument for why the jeans and t-shirt are a necessity." Kid's need clothes, at the very least, for athletic activities. "Whereas in a school where uniforms are not required a student who wore the same clothes to school every day would definitely be in the minority. In this way it would spare them embarrassment." They could be easily be made fun of for having a tattered uniform. "The difference in cost is tiny if you don't include the belt." Again, the belt is only required with the uniform. "If the student kept his/her eyes on the floor on the way to the shop to replace the clothes, he/she would probably make up the difference." What? "People in suits are generally a lot safer to approach that crack addicts." So they are intrinsically better than them, just because they wear a suit. "You'll be hard put to find a polo shirt that comes close to even being half as distracting as that. You probably cant even remember what we were debating after looking at that picture." Ok, fine. Maybe that was a strech. But attractive girls will be oggled, no matter what they wear. "Outsiders have to be adults?" Uniforms have the same problem, unless you require teahers too wear them. "How much are the poor kids going to have to pay to get their ID's printed?" Only teachers would need them, because you an easily assume a kid won't break into a school. Thank you for reading.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniforms-benefit-schools/1/
  • PRO

    If you have a uniform the special someone would like you...

    School Uniforms

    You can express yourself in other ways than cloths or pants 2. If you have a uniform the special someone would like you because of your personality not just what your wearing 3. You can wear your cloths on the weekend so you can't get I worn out if it's worn out it would look worse than the If you have a uniform the special someone would like you because of your personality not just what your wearing 3. You can wear your cloths on the weekend so you can't get I worn out if it's worn out it would look worse than the uniforms 4. If the uniform is really itchy well cloths are not itchy you should check your personal hygiene 5. You can be used to it 6. Kids won't be able to pick on you because of your cloths because they would be wearing the same thing

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniforms/31/
  • CON

    Also from my own personal experience, if there is any...

    Teens and kids should wear school uniforms

    In reply to your previous pints made in the last round: 1. Do you have a source for this? I am just curious because the source I had listed the opposite; that clothing had no effect on behavior or academics. Also from my own personal experience, if there is any focus on fashion at all, it happens in the halls or outside of the classroom, rather then when the students are trying to learn. 2. It may make mornings easier, but unless a kid has a separate uniform for every day of the week, then it will be a hassle having to wash two or three pairs of clothing repeatedly. 3. It may be avoided partially, but staff often has to monitor students even more closely due to them having a strict dress code, and any students not dressing in an exact way will be written up. In my experience of going to both a school where a uniform was required, and when I went to one without, I saw way more students being written up for getting their uniform wrong, then when I went to a non-uniform school. 4. Where is the source for many experts? 5. This point is not valid because just as many normal clothes are required for Also from my own personal experience, if there is any focus on fashion at all, it happens in the halls or outside of the classroom, rather then when the students are trying to learn. 2. It may make mornings easier, but unless a kid has a separate uniform for every day of the week, then it will be a hassle having to wash two or three pairs of clothing repeatedly. 3. It may be avoided partially, but staff often has to monitor students even more closely due to them having a strict dress code, and any students not dressing in an exact way will be written up. In my experience of going to both a school where a uniform was required, and when I went to one without, I saw way more students being written up for getting their uniform wrong, then when I went to a non-uniform school. 4. Where is the source for many experts? 5. This point is not valid because just as many normal clothes are required for It may make mornings easier, but unless a kid has a separate uniform for every day of the week, then it will be a hassle having to wash two or three pairs of clothing repeatedly. 3. It may be avoided partially, but staff often has to monitor students even more closely due to them having a strict dress code, and any students not dressing in an exact way will be written up. In my experience of going to both a school where a uniform was required, and when I went to one without, I saw way more students being written up for getting their uniform wrong, then when I went to a non-uniform school. 4. Where is the source for many experts? 5. This point is not valid because just as many normal clothes are required for school, as uniforms would be, so you would not actually be buying fewer clothes. Also uniforms often end up being a lot more pricey than normal clothing. People don't often find uniforms at goodwill or any cheap store like they can with clothing. This makes it an issue for lower income families. 6. This point requires your premise no. 5 to be true, which it is not.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Teens-and-kids-should-wear-school-uniforms/1/
  • CON

    I'll start by saying I'm a socialist and I believe that...

    School Uniforms are a good Idea

    OK. I'll start by saying I'm a socialist and I believe that there should be no social differences between different families. The fact remains though that there are great social differences between families but, when it comes to clothing, casual clothes can be bought for far less money than I'll start by saying I'm a socialist and I believe that there should be no social differences between different families. The fact remains though that there are great social differences between families but, when it comes to clothing, casual clothes can be bought for far less money than school uniforms if done efficiently and wisely ( for instance if bought from Primark ) . And lets face it; no-one is going to go to school in designer clothes that they bare the risk of damaging or defacing. For those reasons I really don't think money is a problem. Another premise you use is the reduction of violence and sex-offences. You have not stated why you think there is an increase in violence and you have not offered any relevant sources of information so I cannot argue this point. The premise of an increase in sex-offence however is, I assume, in your opinion, is caused by girls wearing mini skirts, low necked-tops, e.t.c. People cannot be blamed for sexual attacks directed at them under any circumstances! People should be able to wear what they want without having to worry about a criminal attacking them. The purpose of the 'SlutWalk' protests is to promote this point. You can look those up on Google. Finally, I can talk from experience. My The fact remains though that there are great social differences between families but, when it comes to clothing, casual clothes can be bought for far less money than school uniforms if done efficiently and wisely ( for instance if bought from Primark ) . And lets face it; no-one is going to go to school in designer clothes that they bare the risk of damaging or defacing. For those reasons I really don't think money is a problem. Another premise you use is the reduction of violence and sex-offences. You have not stated why you think there is an increase in violence and you have not offered any relevant sources of information so I cannot argue this point. The premise of an increase in sex-offence however is, I assume, in your opinion, is caused by girls wearing mini skirts, low necked-tops, e.t.c. People cannot be blamed for sexual attacks directed at them under any circumstances! People should be able to wear what they want without having to worry about a criminal attacking them. The purpose of the 'SlutWalk' protests is to promote this point. You can look those up on Google. Finally, I can talk from experience. My school has hosted many 'No Uniform' days which allow us to wear what we want for the duration of that day. Our education is no less intuitive or productive on those days, and no-one is attacked or sexually abused, what-so-ever. J.P.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniforms-are-a-good-Idea/1/