I hope that my partner returns for this round, I will not...
School Uniforms
I hope that my partner returns for this round, I will not further continue my argument until the opponent has responded. I've enjoyed this argument and hope it can continue
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PRO I will extend my arguments
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I will extend my arguments
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PRO Hi
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Hi
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PRO I forfeit you deserve a win
School uniforms
I forfeit you deserve a win
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PRO You've forfeited the round so I'll assume you have...
school uniforms
You've forfeited the round so I'll assume you have nothing more to say; this argument is done.
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PRO Don't act like you were dominating that battle. ......
school uniforms
Don't act like you were dominating that battle. Because, frankly you weren't. The whole "shed too many tears" thing is plain pathetic.
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PRO This is over.
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This is over.
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PRO It is obvious that this debater is the best one I have...
School Uniforms
I can't even respond to that. It is obvious that this debater is the best one I have ever seen. Her argument was just amazingly valid, I am speechless.
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PRO People have a sense of unity if they are in the same...
School Uniforms
All arguments dropped. People have a sense of unity if they are in the same clothing. Also, it is one of the many ways to express yourself, not the only way. Just taking 1 away that no one uses would not effect them.
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PRO I accept, plead your case.
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I accept, plead your case.
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CON Students should be able to express themselves through...
School uniforms
Students should be able to express themselves through what they wear.
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CON what if the sailor uniforms help the American schools...
How would you feel if America had gotten sailor uniforms
"what if the sailor uniforms help the American schools learn about other cultures" "Look at me, I'm japanese and I has a sailor outfit" is not a lesson plan. Furthermore, the term UNIFORM implies they'd be doing it all the time, not just once. That's not learning about cultures, that's replacing cultures. Furthermore, imagine all the various "cultural" clothing people dress in when there are no uniforms! You learn more without than with. :) "I was in school today I had should my class mates a photo of a girl wearing then the girls said that look cute and then said I would be okay wearing them and said the would be okay wearing them also what if you have the parents just pay for them." Apparently you are unaware of the fact that not all parents are well-off. Many parents cannot afford such things, thereby necessitating either subsidies or lack of unformity, both of which prove my point :). "also think that only some schools might have a choice like this." America. Not part of America. Read your own resolution. All my points stand :) "American is not that conservative cause the school uniform I have to wear skirts that are minis skirts." New Jersey = false induction. Imagine sailor uniforms in, say, Alabama. Also, you don't expect us to take your word for it? Pics or it didn't happen. *Ragnar nods to John*
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CON Apparently that is some axiomatic truth of life because...
School uniforms should be adopted by all schools (k-12)
Amazing the things that can happen when you leave your computer in the trusty hands of a good friend. But be that as it may, although the phrasing is not quite what I would have used, that not withstanding, they were valid points and for that matter, valid and uncontested points. First of course is the cleavage argument. The simple truth of the matter is, clothing, especially stylish clothing, make people look better. People who look better, make the school look better. If looking at someone attractive because of attractive clothing makes me happy, it increases the net util value to society. Thus, allowing students to wear what makes them attractive both increases their util, since they feel better looking sexy, and increases the util of those who look. My opponent offers no evidence that the value of a more picturesque scenery is somehow overshadowed by the "distracting" effects. In fact, if we accept my opponent's arguments, then it would be impossible for people to study with music, impossible for people to type if their computer have background pictures, and of course not feasible for students to study if their classrooms are decorated. Perhaps we should all attend school in prisons. The decor there is certainly to my opponent's liking, and it would fit his capacity for thought as well. Second is the argument of free expression. My opponent's only argument is that free expression does not apply to school. Apparently that is some axiomatic truth of life because he certainly does not back this statement up. He has the burden of proof in this situation because as a society that values free expression, he had the responsibility to prove his statement, and he failed. But I'm not just going to rest there. See, freedom of expression is important to the health and vitality of society, and especially important to the health and DEVELOPMENT of our children. Again, my opponent wants his daughter to grow up in a prison. That's fine with me. He can raise his daughter however he wishes, it's his right to stifle her freedom to express her personality on a day to day basis in her interaction with classmates through her choice of clothing. He does NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEPRIVE MY CHILD OF HER FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION. My child has the right to discover who she is, what she likes, and how she wishes to present herself. It should not be up to my opponent, and frankly, ultimately, it should not even be up to me. It should be up to my child. Last is the economics of the situation, a completely undisputed argument. (as opposed to just weakly disputed) Clothing and clothing design play a huge role in the American economy. A transformation from freedom of clothing to school uniforms will cause a rather significant upheaval, causing a sharp demand in designer clothing, causing many clothing design industries to suffer. It would take time for resources to be redirected which does not change the fact that these designers would remain unemployed even after the redirection completes. The upheaval will result in economic downturns, lowering confidence in consumers and investors, and cause a minor recession which would hurt our already ailing economy. But my opponent wants to teach children in prisons. So what does it matter?
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CON Concession.
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Concession.
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CON Schools should not force students to wear uniforms...
Students should wear uniforms
Schools should not force students to wear uniforms because it violates freedom of expression and freedom of speech, which are in the First Amendment. It also will not prevent bullying as people can still bully based on disability, gender, race, etc.
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CON 1b)If a family is poor then they won't be able to afford...
Public Schools should not have to wear school uniforms
I accept the challenge. Firstly I would like to say that I think a lot of schools take uniform waaayyyy to seriously. But personally I think that there should be school uniform but you should be allowed to wear whatever shoes you want (within reason) and have your hair, makeup, jewellery and bags as you want. The reasons for this are as follows. 1a) Bullying and peer pressure can often be the result of non school uniform. Where school uniform is not present; a child is somewhat forced to choose what to wear and could be targeted because of it. Also it makes peer pressure more prominent. Some kids could be forced to wear something they don't want to wear just because it's 'cool'. 1b)If a family is poor then they won't be able to afford as nice clothes so they may be targeted because of the amount of money they have. 1ci) Similar to point 1b, parents or children may end up feeling forced to spend money that could be used better elswhere on 'cool' clothes so their kids don't get picked on. 1cii) Hand me downs are a perfect example of a pro for school uniform. If it stays the same, parents with more than one child can give younger children the older children's old clothes saving money. This might not be able to happen with other clothes because the younger child may have different style choices for example. 2) Experts believe that children who wearschooluniforms do better academically. This is due to a myriad of reasons, including not wasting time in the morning getting ready, lack of distractions, and a more formal studying environment. 3) It prepares children for later life when they may need to wear a certain uniform/type of clothing in the workplace. 4) It is an important safety thing for school trips, outings and even problems at the school. It helps prevent children getting lost on school trips and if there was say a fire at a school building which was connected to other buildings for other things (Workplaces etc) then outside in amongst the panic school children would be easily identifiable. 5) With no school uniform it would be miles harder for staff as they would have to spend a lot more time enforcing the uniform policy to ensure it was appropriate clothing (eg not too revealing, no unacceptable symbolism like the swastika etc) and it would be much harder to enforce and much easier for children to overstep the line and claim they can't be punished because the rules weren't clear. Thank you, and I look forward to your arguments and rebuttals. Sources [1] http://www.buzzle.com... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org...
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CON There are several other arguments often provided to...
School Uniform
Unfortunately I don't feel my opponent really provided a convincing argument in favour of school uniforms. He did mention that some schools think of dressing freely as a privilege. Presumably to encourage good behaviour. This wont work for several reasons. Those students who are alienated from the school system aren't going to behave well just so they don't have to wear a uniform. There are many things that cause bad behaviour, one important one is alienation from the school. In fact this kind of threat will more likely alienate them even more as they will see it as a form of blackmail. Those that get given a uniform as punishment could also wear it as a badge of pride in the same way as getting a detention is a way of earning respect. There are several other arguments often provided to support school uniform. For instance, that they promote Unity. They don't because what happens is the independent minded will become agitated by this and will find ways to disrupt the atmosphere of the school. Not good for Unity. Also people claim that Uniform makes it easier for teachers to identify their students on school trips and such. Well if they are looking for a particular student it then becomes harder for them to find the person they are looking for due to all the students being dressed the same. Also most students don't really need to be babysat on school trips as they can look after themselves. Unless of course you mean those aged 10 or under in which case the school shouldn't be taking them somewhere dangerous anyway. I think that It does matter if a school has a uniform or not. If the uniform isn't mandatory then I am fine with it being a free choice for people to wear. However trying to force people to wear a particular set of clothing is unjustified and an unnecessary restriction on pupils. Perhaps if there wasn't a school uniform pupils would feel less inclined to misbehave as they will have less reason to. I look forward to my opponents response. Source and further information: http://www.members.tripod.com...
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CON It makes people look dole and it doesn't brighten the...
Private Schools Should Have Their Students Wear Uniforms
In my opinion uniforms are too strict. It makes people look dole and it doesn't brighten the environment. For safe learning experience let everyone feel free by not wearing uniforms.
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CON Some jobs have a uniform and they could care less about...
Uniforms should be mandatory in all of the public schools of America
Your first argument, where you say that they can express themselves in the school's extra-curricular classes, doesn't fit everybody. Some schools don't have those courses, once again another personal experience, and what about the kids with learning disabilities? Writing to release their feelings may be a challenge. Art class aren't always provided either, especially in elementary when kids are forced into these classes instead of picking them in JH or HS. What if the kids aren't into art or singing? What if it has the exact opposite effect on them? Plus, some kids don't even have the right assets to go to school, the only way you'll keep kids out of gangs is by doing that, attacking the problem by the source and not beating around the bush with school dress code. On the same not, some schools are different with their dress code, some are too strict. Such as this high school named Trinity HS. Their dress code is very loose, but it's still there and they have very high rates of success. The only things that should matter in a school is what's supposed to happen there: education and preparation for college, I mean that very vaguely. Plus, we need something that works for all learners. The American school system is very outdated, considering they teach every child the same way no matter how they learn and they, as in teachers, expect them to follow their lesson plan no matter what. Everyone learns differently. I also doubt that a uniform makes people bond. Some jobs have a uniform and they could care less about their peers. Uniforms we can do without. Another school example is Harwood JH, a school in Bedford that is #3 ranking school in their county, and guess what, there's no uniform! The dress code is strict as it reads from the website, but no uniform. You don't get logic or intelligence from a uniform, it comes from your brain, The latest fashions is also something a majority of kids like, some stores actually go with the latest fashion so it isn't hard to walk into Walmart or the mall and buy the clothes.
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CON Schools with uniforms obtain better educational results....
There is no good evidence that links school uniform to improved results.
Schools with uniforms obtain better educational results. This is because there is better discipline and so the school setting makes learning easier. Without the distraction of checking out what all the other students are wearing (or how much flesh they are showing), students find it easier to concentrate and do better in tests.
