• CON

    Tempartures are dropping: http://www.newsmax.com... How...

    Manmade global climate change is real and a threat.

    Tempartures are dropping: http://www.newsmax.com... How can the world be heating up if it is warming up? And why is Antartic Sea Ice growing? https://www.nasa.gov...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Manmade-global-climate-change-is-real-and-a-threat./6/
  • CON

    Global Temparture and solar activity: And here is manmade...

    Manmade global climate change is real and a threat.

    Global Temparture and solar activity: And here is manmade co2 emmissions compared to natural co2 emmissions: CO2 emmissions are a byproduct of capitalism, which creates wealth and a higher quality of living for people around the globe, co2 emmissions also create more plantlife. So by arguing for reduced co2 emmissions my opponent is arguing for global poverty and deforestation.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Manmade-global-climate-change-is-real-and-a-threat./6/
  • PRO

    In that case, Here is a model that measures the average...

    Climate change is a real thing, And we could be in danger if we don't act fast.

    I see the point you are trying to get at is that we have no evidence, As far as current effects are, Focusing more on the questionability of prediction models. In that case, Here is a model that measures the average global temperature up to 2018. It's clear from the graph that the global temperature is increasing at an exponential rate: http://berkeleyearth. Org/2018-temperatures/ But as for your skepticism on the weight that our civilization takes for the problem of climate change, Here also is a graph showing the CO2 levels in the air throughout the 1980s, To the year 2017: http://berkeleyearth. Org/2018-temperatures/ Notice that despite the larger timeframes between the two graphs, Both correlate. Around the point were CO2 emissions go up, The temperature for the corresponding year also goes up. I think it's obvious that this drastic rise in CO2 is our fault, Considering the first graph starts to show the temperature rise in the 1860s, The tail end of the industrial revolution.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-a-real-thing-and-we-could-be-in-danger-if-we-dont-act-fast./1/
  • PRO

    Fewer people will die from the cold in winter. ... Should...

    The effects of climate change will not necessarily be bad

    Fewer people will die from the cold in winter. We will get real summers. Should these factors be weighed into the cost-benefit analysis?

    • https://debatewise.org/debates/200-climate-change-is-the-end-of-the-world/
  • PRO

    Rather than trying to prove me wrong my opponent's aim is...

    Manmade global climate change is real and a threat.

    My opponent's argument seems endless and confusing. Rather than trying to prove me wrong my opponent's aim Rather than trying to prove me wrong my opponent's aim is to make the problem more complex and cast doubt. I make only a few arguments and my opponent makes at least 4 arguments for each argument I make. Making the debate grow in size and complexity until nobody can tell who won. Even if I defeat one of my opponent's objections, he/she just simply moves onto another. https://thinkprogress.org...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Manmade-global-climate-change-is-real-and-a-threat./8/
  • CON

    But as for the rest of my argument i believe you, you are...

    Climate change is both real and a serious issue

    As I finished writing and submitted my argument i later realized the exact point about the polar caps that you mentioned, and i concede that your right about that, but i still stand firm in my point that the polar caps aren't melting in fact they are growing and my evidence is in the link in my last post. But as for the rest of my argument i believe you, you are right and as I read your points i re read my sources and realized that they don't quite say what i wanted them to. i also cannot find any actual evidence that humans aren't the cause, so I concede, Good work Pro i enjoyed the debate and im sorry i cant finish it, i simply see your side now and cant find evidence against it. Im sure others could argue this into the ground but i dont see the point. Good Job, i would like to b=debate with you more later preferably a different topic. Good Job, You Win

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-both-real-and-a-serious-issue/1/
  • CON

    SO really the recent rise in carbon emissions inst...

    Climate change is both real and a serious issue

    I want to start off by mentioning that this my first debate with another person and this is a very controversial topic and I hope we can both be informative to each other To start I wanted to address your source, in the source one of the first points it makes is that humans are the main cause of global warming, however there actually is a good deal of evidence that humans aren't the main cause, the earth has natural heating and cooling periods and around 1945 people were actually worried about the cooling effect (1) And this isn't without any evidence there is a petition signed by thousands of scientists (2). the general public and many environmentalists believe that since there are charts and graphs it must be true but humans also once wholeheartedly believed the world was flat. It is widely believed and accepted that global warming is causing the ice caps to melt and this will cause "great floods" and whatnot but anyone who knows anything about displacement can obviously tell that's outrageous. Around 400 million years ago during the Ordovician period greenhouse gases were at levels 16 times more than they are at now and the earth was wildly populated with flora and fauna still capable of life.(3) This was brought about by volcanic emissions this can be read about in source 3. SO really the recent rise in carbon emissions inst actually that devastating at all. Also al gores prediction of the melting ice caps due to the carbon emissions is false, according to this (4) in fact it has grown up to 50% larger. the Northern ice cap actually gained area roughly equal to the size of Alaska since 2012. Its silly to say that humans don't make an impact on the environment, and I wont say that because we do have an impact but the earth itself has had much bigger changes in temperature before. to claim that humans are destroying the planet is crazy at most humans will raise the temperature by a couple degrees Celsius. My closing thoughts are that I don't believe global warming is a serious issue the earth has had to deal with much more influential things than humans and ultimately adapts and changes because of it. The U.S. government has spent billions of dollars to fund global warming efforts (5) and this money could be used to fix actual problems that we have identified instead of funding research nearly as heavily as we are. (1)http://www.batteredmen.com... (2) http://www.petitionproject.org... (3)https://en.wikipedia.org... (4)http://www.dailymail.co.uk... (5) http://www.gao.gov...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-both-real-and-a-serious-issue/1/
  • PRO

    Sorry for assuming your gender but I didn't realize that...

    Man Made Climate Change Is Fake

    *Sorry for assuming your gender but I didn't realize that I wrote "he" instead of "they" until the very end! :) Im going to start my argument by countering my opponents observations. His first observation states that he will debate that humans are contributing to the already natural processes but my question is contributing how much. There is not doubt in my mind that Co2 causes warming. The question is whether this warming is significant or not. To clarify, I believe the warming Co2 creates is insignificant and barely has an effect on climate. His second observation states that quoting a scientific consensus is science. He is correct in saying that a consensus is more scientific then a home experiment but a scientific paper or research article is better then both. Especially when there is so much controversy about the validity of the consensus. My opponent then addresses my first argument and states, "I will provide empirical evidence that in fact it has a huge impact if not the biggest" yet he provides no evidence after this claim. I run into the same problem when he addresses my second claim. He says, " there is other evidence that proves CO2 does have an impact" while providing NO scientific evidence. (keep in mind that correlations do NOT show causation so giving a graph of temperature and Co2 rising is not sufficient evidence) He also says that computer models are not always going to be 100% correct which is true but you would expect the predictions made by said models to be closer to the observations. The fact that only a small majority of the models show similar trends to our observations indicate that something is wrong with the models. In my opponents addressing of my third statement, he makes a valid case, pointing out the fact that Co2 increases atmospheric humidity but disregards the fact that water vapor then condenses into clouds which then reflect heat and light energy away from the earth, therefore cooling it down. I mentioned this at the end of my argument under the label, "The Final proof" where I explained how cosmic rays cause cooling and why this disproves the greenhouse effect. My opponent then says, "my opponent is stating we would need more CO2 to see an impact." Although I did not state this before, I do agree with this statement. My opponent says this is a unscientific claim but ignores that planets, such as Venus, with extraordinary high (96%) levels of Co2 in their atmosphere are warmer because of it. Nasa says that venus would not be as hot as it is without Co2 or methane. My opponent also says there is an undoubted correlation between Co2 and warming but this statement depends on what time period you are looking at. For example, according to Joe Bastardi, Co2 has a correlation strength to temperature of just .43 (1895-2007). Other sources say that the correlation strength is just .07 or .02 (1998-2007). according to Joe Bastardi, Co2 has a correlation strength to temperature of just .43 (1895-2007). Compare this correlation strength to the correlation strength of sunspots and the ocean, .57 (1900-2004) and .85 (1900-2007). As you can see, the correlation strength of Co2 compared to other correlations is anything but strong. Another thing to point out is that over longer periods of time, Co2 has almost no correlation to temperature. I meant to put this graph in my argument above but I posted the wrong link so here is the evidence supporting my claim: http://www.paulmacrae.com... Then my opponent states the Co2 has not been higher then today within the last 800,000 years. This is true, but there is a problem this points out. The temperature HAS been higher then today. This just proves that temperature acts independent of Co2. Co2 has not been higher then today while temperature has risen up to 4 degrees Celsius hotter then today. http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com... Then, in my opponents fifth point, he states, "Today though, we are seeing this clearly attributed to CO2 in the air from humans as the temperature goes beyond what would be seen as natural." This is just an untrue statement. The majority of the worlds lifespan has been spent with no ice on the poles and the dinosaurs lived in an environment that was much hotter then today. Also, as I mentioned earlier, in the past 1000 years, during the medieval warming period, temperature was 2 degrees Celsius warmer then today and that was only in the last 1000 years! Thanks for acknowledging that the political arguments are irrelevant, I have argued with many people about this topic before and the political arguments always come up so I wanted to include some just to ward people off if that is what they were planning to debate. In my opponents case he just states everything that I have already disproven. He says greenhouse gasses cause warming but Co2 is a very weak greenhouse gas and there is not much of it in the atmosphere. He says humans are netting 15 gigatons of Co2 into the atmosphere which is true but he doesn't explain why, if there is so much Co2 in the air, there has been no significant warming in the last 2 decades. Especially when 25% of all human caused Co2 emissions occurred during that time period. Another problem is that the chart he provided of the carbon cycle is wrong. I have seen charts like it before and the problem with them is that they don't explain rises in Co2, sometimes over periods of millions of years, in the past. According to that chart, Co2 would be on a constant decline. We know this is not true because looking at a graph he provided us (http://assets.climatecentral.org...) Co2 is constantly in balance with the environment. It is not on an overall decrease. To my opponents final message, I don't know why the atmosphere is warming if it is not caused by Co2. I am not even going to try and come up with other reasons because the climate is constantly changing and to complex for me to completely understand. I have seen the video you sent me, along with all the other videos in that college course. The problem with the video is that it relies on the idea that Co2 causes warming. Without any significant warming affects, how do they know the "fingerprint" it leaves? This just causes a loop back to the debate about whether it actually causes warming or not. After reading your responses and acknowledging the claims you have made, I see no real scientific evidence of man-made global warming. Yes, there are correlations and yes, there are consensuses, but none of these are true pieces of evidence. True evidence would be performing a controlled experiment and testing only 1 variable at a time. As I explained in my first argument, this is not possible. In conclusion, I await your next argument and wish you the best of luck in debating me.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Man-Made-Climate-Change-Is-Fake/1/
  • PRO

    The most glaring flaw in this concept is that CCS...

    CCS will take far too long to implement for climate change

    Rainforest Action Network, an environmental non-profit organization, stated the following in a fact sheet on its website titled "The Dirty Truth about Clean Coal," available at www.ran.org (accessed Sep. 17, 2009): "The concept of CCS is that we can curb climate change by capturing the emissions from coal plants and store them underground, safely away from our atmosphere for eternity. The most glaring flaw in this concept is that CCS technology is not likely to be a commercially viable option for at least another decade, and new coal-fired plants are slated to begin construction now. There are also no working models of CCS at a commercial-scale power plant anywhere in the world."

    • http://www.debatepedia.org/en/index.php/Debate:_Carbon_capture_and_storage
  • CON

    And they nver will be. ... The interrelationship between...

    Global Climate Change is a problem and needs to be addressed.

    Here is a link to a litany of links that talk about Co2 and the parts per million and the sensitivity of the earths climate to it. All of them put it in to context which your links do not do. And also state that people who use these figures to create a sense of urgency that catastrophic doom is eminent are completely wrong. These are all peer reviewed sources. "All of the articles I have posted you can find any where else on the Internet. You just need to look." The burden of proof is on you my responsibility is to prove what you say is flawed or incorrect based on the sources you provide to make your case. "Plus the Internet is a bad place to look for good scientific journals. I am now going to list several books and journals that maybe you should read." The Internet is a global warming alarmist worst nightmare. No where in the entire world are these peer reviewed reports that dispute your claims reported in any news media outlet. And they nver will be. There is obviously a concerted effort to silence these reports because it would make the environmental agenda look like a complete fraud. It is a fraud. Next your litany of books to read. Ummmmm As no one will know what they are about let alone where the research to write these books came from and the context they are written in. This is not an argument nor a source it is a list of books that no one who reads this debate can use as information to make an educated vote. None the less I took the time to look for reviews of each book because I can't possible locate and read each book in 3 days and the fact that you would insinuate that I read all of these books and respond to each one of them in this debate is beyond preposterous. Tim Flannery, Weather Maker http://www.jennifermarohasy.com... G. Tyler Miller Jr., Sustaining the Earth Both of those reviewers, however, expressed some reservations. Luke said that the book's author, G. Tyler Miller, Jr., continually promoted his own environmental philosophy, even though Environmental Science was supposed to be a textbook rather than a manifesto. Fritjof Capra-Systems Theories This is a critical evaluation of Fritjof Capra's systems theory in his book The Web of Life (Anchor Books, 1996). His theory states that properties of the whole cannot be found on the level of its components or parts. The interrelationship between parts creates new properties, so called emergent properties, that are only intrinsic to the system as a whole and not to any of its parts. Uhhh what the F##k? Fritjof Capra-Gaia Again, what the f##k? Curtis Moore, Green Revolution in the making This is a personal view of this man, it is not a source for climate research. Jeremy Rifkin, The hydrogen economy Hydrogen will never be an alternative energy source. This man is a complete fraud. The link below proves this and it is irrefutable. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Splitting hydrogen atoms from other elements uses as much energy or more than hydrogen generates. Not to mention the additional energy required to compress it into a liquid and last but not least the catastrophic dangers that go with commpressed gasses at 4000 psi. let alone highly flammable gasses http://mb-soft.com... "Many of those points that I made are happening. We are experiencing warming and rapid change to our various ecosystems" I guess because you say it it's the truth. No sources as you can see to back up this statement " Clear cutting eliminates wind breaks , destroys soil quality, and enables erosion." I completely agree with this statement, But what it has to do with the climate is unclear because again you provide no source to make the correlation. "I don't see how just nitpicking my evidence helps your cause" There is no evidence to nit pick, you have proved nothing and I have backed up every single thing that I have said with peer reviewed sources. The one thing the debaters should note is that my oppenet has not provided a single peer reviewed source and didn't even respond with sources to many of his prior claims in round 2.