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  • PRO

    The topic we are debating today is "Kids should wear...

    Kids should wear uniforms in elementary schools.

    The topic we are debating today is "Kids should wear uniforms in elementary schools." I, Jacobie1121, will be taking the pro side of the debate. Definition: Uniforms are clothes that every student should be wearing when at school. Elementary school includes grades 1-6. ROUND ONE: Acceptance. ROUND TWO: Each debater will bring up a max of FIVE points. ROUND THREE: Only rebuttals and summaries, no added points. YOU MAY NOT STATE A REBUTTAL IN ANY OTHER ROUND BESIDES THE THIRD ONE! Thank you, Jacobie1121

  • PRO

    I don't mean to sound pessimistic in our nation, but its...

    Should uniforms be at schools

    Dress-code has been adopted by many schools all over the country, and that's for a reason. Quote: "Traditionally favored by private and parochial institutions, school uniforms are being adopted by US public schools in increasing numbers. Almost one in five US public schools required students to wear uniforms during the 2011-2012 school year, up from one in eight in 2003-2004. Mandatory uniform policies in public schools are found more commonly in high-poverty areas." Pro/Con.org. the biggest reason is to create a education friendly environment, free of distractions that may come with differing clothing. Honestly, if you put children in clothes that they are not interested in, they are likely not to pay attention to them. If you allow them to flow along with the trends, well, they become immersed partially in that among other things they would naturally be interested in that already distract them from learning. Education is vital to the success of the nation, and honestly the US is not doing well in that division right now. The US now ranks 36th in word education. This is honestly pathetic. I don't mean to sound pessimistic in our nation, but its true. We cannot afford to impede learning any more than we are already allowing. Some schools are allowing phones! PHONES! seriously. But back to dress-code. To your point of bullying. It is very much clothes involved. Bully's hate being hypocrites. If I am a bully, am I going to make offensive fun of the person who is wearing basically the same thing as me? No. That's a guaranteed way to have things blow up in your face, and if i were bullied by someone that stupid, i would be laughing rather than backing down. You could argue that uniforms "detract form a students personality", but that is nonsense. If you spend that much time focusing on how you appear to people, i guarantee that you don't spend time on education, which we should all realize has significant impacts on life. This is my first debate, and i thank you for presenting this opportunity for me to put you down! :D

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  • PRO

    We didn't, and currently this country's schools don't...

    should students have to wear school uniforms

    We didn't, and currently this country's schools don't have uniforms for students and doing great! So apparently not needed, at all, at least here. K?

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  • PRO

    If schools decide to change their uniform, for example...

    Every school must have a uniform

    Thank you for replying so fast to my argument and yes I am very much enjoying this debate. I have put my argument against my opponent in three points. Firstly: I would still emphasize on the fact that school uniforms are more cost effective. Some students try to dress according to the latest fashion in order to fit in the school.Unfortunately, many do not have the means to do so and may fall victim to peer pressure or bullying. In fact, surveyed school leaders with a school uniform or formal dress code policy in place believe their current policy has made a significant, positive impact on peer pressure (86 percent) and bullying (64 percent). Citation:http://www.naesp.org... Recently the Liberal Democrats held a conference about the cost of school uniforms across England. The education minister David Laws is to issue new guidance to end the practice of using a single uniform supplier, enabling parents to shop around for uniform. If schools decide to change their uniform, for example with a new emblem or colour, changes should be restricted to one or two items, preferably with sew-on logos. Changing from a one-supplier system could help families with the cost of school uniform. citation: http://www.theguardian.com... Secondly: School is a place where one needs to be disciplined. This is what helps a student to focus in his life and take important decisions. Only Choosing clothes does not make a person independent. A report shows that School uniform or formal dress code policy has made a positive impact on the following: Classroom Discipline (85 percent) Image in the Community (83 percent) Student Safety (79 percent) School Pride (77 percent) Student Achievement (64 percent) Attendance (44 percent) Citation:http://www.naesp.org... Thirdly: School uniforms are not fashionable but the students look smart and confident in their uniforms. To show their individualism they can do innovative work that will benefit their schools wearing their uniforms proudly. So I conclude by saying that school uniforms are necessary for all the students.

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  • PRO

    Clothes can be a huge distraction when you are in the...

    Should kids have to wear uniform in School

    My Arguments 1. Uniforms may increase a student’s self esteem because they do not have to worry constantly to be better dressed than those around them. Many kids are discouraged by the fact that they don't own, or cannot afford some of the clothing other kids can. Uniforms put all kids at the same level, and takes that much more stress off the students that cannot afford the latest "fashion". 2. Uniforms improve learning by not allowing kids to be distracted. Clothes can be a huge distraction when you are in the classroom, especially if you are bored. Kids always want to know what others are wearing and even judge other students over it. Uniforms eliminate this problem and helps kids to stay focused in class. 3. Uniforms show that everyone there with you is part of your school. It shows you are all part of a team. It promotes school spirit and shows that everyone there is "on the same side". This togetherness helps to eliminate division among students at the school and reduces bullying. 4. Uniforms help the school faculty to quickly identify who is part of the school and in the end could actually help in keeping strangers and potentially dangerous people off the campus. 5. Bullies like to pick on kids who are lesser than them, and therefore tend to pick on kids who do not wear quality or popular clothes. By implementing school uniforms this problem is solved. School uniforms have helped improve schools, as emphasized by one study that finds that “various benefits to wearing uniforms were reported, including decreases in discipline, gang involvement and bullying; and increases in safety, eases of going to school, confidence and self-esteem. Additionally, school police data showed a 63 percent reduction in police log reports during the first year of implementation. Other decreases were noted in reports of gang-related activities and student fights, along with graffiti, property damage, battery and administrative assist. “ [1] Contentions "kids shouldnt have to wear uniforms because uniforms are expensive especially to unfornate families" Uniforms are actually relatively inexpensive and the benefits it gives to the students of the school far outweighs that it may cost more than poor parents would like to spend. In addition, it eliminates bullying to a kid who probably would have been wearing ratty clothes compared to others. "parents have to spend more money on buying uniform just for kids to wear it to one place." Uniforms are nessecarily just for one place to wear. You can wear it anytime, after all its clothes. [1] http://www.unr.edu...

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  • PRO

    If kids can't afford designer clothes, they could just go...

    Uniforms or not

    Hello, wooferalot. I will pick apart your points individually. You said: "In a disaster, it would be hard to get identified quickly because everyone looks the same." Actually, they could all move in a group and infiltrators could easily be spotted. And we are not arguing a universal uniform. I am arguing a strict drees code. There is a difference. "Some family's can't even afford the uniform that the school would want." Some families cant afford the desinger clothes that are all the latest fads, so lets not stray away from the main topic that much. "If a kid is in elementry school, they will want to wear what they want." That is a complete generalization. I know elementary kids that wear cardigan sweaters and they like it and it is the universal dress code. "When they are older, the clothes that they wanted to wear will not fit them when they are an adult." By fit I assume you mean are suitable, as opposed to actually physically fitting them. There are may jobs that let you wear what you want. There are also jobs that have something called "casual friday." "If kids can't afford designer clothes, they could just go to some place like gap, old navy, or walmart etc..." Most gap stuff is designer, and is quite fashionable, as is old navy. I concede walmart to you. "Some kids like to express themselves with what they wear. Kids are only kids for a little while." This is also a generalization, and why should kids have to express themselves with what they wear? they should be expressing themselves by their actions. "It also teaches little kids how to match clothes for when they are older. When they are older, they might still have to where uniforms." And by saying they will have to choose clothes when they are older, you knock out your previous statement. Unless they are in an army or other force, they will not have to wear a uniform. Maybe a suit, or an apron, or a frock, but no uniform. Thank you.

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  • PRO

    It's not like we an protest or anything. ... This is one...

    School Uniform

    By "It just is",I meant that we have no control over the school district and what they say goes. It's not like we an protest or anything. 2. I really don't see what the deal is with uniforms. People act as if the uniforms are the most distasteful and disgusting outfits ever. The clothes they would wear if there wasn't a uniform probably look worse. 3. Thank you for this debate! This is one of the first debates I've had where people don't take it very seriously.

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  • PRO

    According to the second amendment I have the right to...

    Students should wear uniforms

    According to the first amendment I have the right to verbally be a jerk to other people, I can be a racist and a bigot. According to the second amendment I have the right to carry a six shooter revolver if I so please. Schools are public and private institutions, if it is private then it is providing a service to it's customers and requires them to dress a certain way since it is their business and they can do what they want, kind of like restaurants, "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service". Companies have the right to choose what people wear on their property otherwise they won't provide you the goods and services they provide. The government also has the right to choose what people wear on their property as well. When someone else owns the property you happen to be on, you have to abide by their laws whether it be a private entity or the federal government. If you don't like the rules of those that own the property where you go to school then you have the option to be home schooled. It is not a violation of your rights or civil liberties when you willingly go on someone Else's property and choose to abide by their rules and policies. Let's say you were a smoker, outside you can smoke, but you are over at my house, if I don't like smoking, I have the right to either have you stop smoking or leave. Am I violating your rights? Schools also ban guns, foul language, bikinis, cigars, etc. All of which you can posses off of school property and are allowed to posses under the U.S. Bill of Rights. Would it be a violation of ones civil liberties if someone wearing a bikini was cursing while producing a revolver and smoking a cigar on a school was asked to leave? Of course not and it shouldn't be considered a violation of ones rights if the school asks you to wear a shirt of a certain color if they so please. Their property, not yours, their rules, not yours. Since my opponent is going off first hand experiences, I will as well. In the schools my friends and I went to, students were still jerks no doubt, but we as a school were far better academically. When we went to high school most of us did very well because the school we went to before was a private religious school that enforced a rather strict dress code. We were already very responsible, very well disciplined students. Most people from my school were taking classes that were a higher level than others at the same age who came from public schools. Now I'm going to take what you say about your personal experiences as facts, assuming they are truthful. It could be very possible that the school that had worse students with uniforms than the students that are allowed to choose what you wear, are simply bad students. Taking care of an wearing a uniform certainly won't turn delinquents into honor roll students but you can't prove that wearing a uniform, somehow makes students perform worse, which is your responsibility as the instigator. The U.S. service academies (USAFA, Annapolis, West point, etc), also have strict rules regarding uniforms, these are some of the highest ranking colleges in the world where they train men and women to become very competent officers in the military. Officers are the ones who are in charge of nuclear weapons, radars, large groups of soldiers, fly jet fighters, etc The instructors and the officers in charge of these establishments agree that if their cadets were allowed to wear whatever they wanted, discipline would be severely compromised, despite the fact that a cadet may still be a jackass or have a bad personality, they would perform better in their activities both academic and athletic. I'm not going to accept your "source" since that is simply hearsay and have no way of verifying those comments of being accurate. I was already going out on a limb accepting what you say as accurate. You are the instigator so you have the burden of proof to show how having uniforms is somehow worse than being able to wear whatever you want. I have already made a thorough argument explaining that it isn't a violation of ones rights when you are on another entity's property and are forced to follow the rules they set. You have to prove that having uniforms are somehow bad other than use the argument that they violate one's rights, which they don't, and I can list a good enough amount of private and public schooling institutions that require students to wear some kind of uniform that are either on par or exceed other schools in performance.

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  • PRO

    Schools should have uniforms because: A)Uniforms teach...

    Should Schools have Uniforms

    Schools should have uniforms because: A)Uniforms teach disciplin B)Uniforms provide unity C) Uniforms ensure that there is no competition over clothes. D) Uniforms make sure that there is no bad dress conduct. E)Uniforms make people respect each other more F) Uniforms teach people to be neat Sources: http://www.merriam-webster.com...

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  • PRO

    A survey commissioned by YouGov shows us clear evidence...

    School Uniform Should Be Banned

    I disagree that school uniforms cost little. A survey commissioned by YouGov shows us clear evidence that it is expensive. �110 is spent on school uniform and "20 on school shoes each year on average in the UK, whereas if pupils were to wear their own clothes, parents would not have to waste money. Education is supposed to be free, and yet we have to pay for uniforms. In the event of a crime, everyone is wearing the same so it will be difficult to identify the culprit. Teachers often have to spend time telling pupils to tuck their shirts in, or tie their tie properly, etc. Isn't education more important than that?

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CON

  • CON

    School Uniforms distract children from their education as...

    School Uniform

    School Uniforms distract children from their education as they are not comfortable and children are often seen fidgeting and itching which they are more focused on than the class.

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  • CON

    Someone could say they like Lady Gaga's fashions and get...

    schools should have uniforms

    I had to wear uniforms for most of my school life and I hated it. There was no unity at all. We were all different and I was even later ignored by my peers. As for not getting fun for having different fashion sense, that can still happen. Someone could say they like Lady Gaga's fashions and get made fun of because of that. As for less fights, I doubt that a uniform would make it so a kid doesn't get into more trouble. Some kids are more prone to being disrespectful.

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  • CON

    By wearing jerseys, by donning hats, clothes allow you to...

    Kids should wear uniforms in elementary schools.

    This should be fun. Argument #1: The cost Ah yes. The cost. There are many estimates and averages to take into account but I have seen prices of school uniforms from 100 bucks to a whopping 250 dollars! Parents usually have more then one kid and siblings usually go to the same school so the cost rises. Then you have to take into consideration that no two kids are the same. Some are taller, some are short, some are overweight, some are underweight. Parents can save more money like this. Argument #2: Creative Freedom Jacobie1121, you and I are both fans of the Calgary Flames, how do we show that we are fans of the Calgary Flames? By wearing jerseys, by donning hats, clothes allow you to express what you enjoy, but by taking away this freedom to express you also take away a certain creativity, a way to show each child is different. But suddenly that freedom is gone. And imagine the conversations, like "Who is that on your shirt?" And what if another kid also likes the the character on another kid's shirt? Lost friends and conversations just because of clothing restrictions. Argument #3: Concentration Imagine you are a 4th grader coming from a poor family. Both of your parents work full time and do not have time to help you. You are going to a new school as you just finished your old one. Your new school is huge so you might end up getting lost. You have to make breakfast for yourself and pack your own backpack. Plus you have to make new friends and to top it all off you now have to wear a uniform. Once you arrive at school,you wonder why everyone looks the same and you realize that you forgot to put on your uniform! You are sent straight to the principals office and you get in big trouble. Kids make fun of you and you feel awful. Why did this all happen? Because of the sheer amount of stuff he had to do he lost concentration and forgot. Now he has a new task that costs precious time and if he forgets a second time he will be in bigger trouble. Not all kids have parents to help and time to spare. If all schools were to have uniforms there would be a lot more trouble for innocent kids. Argument #4: The punishments Why do we have schools? Society has schools so the next generation can learn. But if we punish kids for simply wearing something wrong we are taking away from their education. An example I have found is Jim Thorpe Elementary school. For a first offense of not wearing the uniform you are taken to the principal's office, forced to take off the "Inappropriate" clothing and a phone call is sent to home. A second offense means the same as above and a detention. A third time equals the same as above AND getting suspended. If you have forgotten to wear your uniform for a fourth time and more and your are considered to have a "disruptive behavior" and then you are taken away from your learning then punished. Jim Thorpe Elementary school is defeating the purpose of having a school by taking kids away from studies. Arguments #5: Schools don't need uniforms! Again, what is the purpose of schools? To educate! I do not think that giving a bunch of kids matching clothes and forcing them to wear it benefits their learning. Like I proved in my previous argument the rule of having school uniform in fact neglects their learning. Why do uniforms help, I mean, can a shirt teach kids math? They are completely useless to serve the one and only purpose of school: To educate the next generation. See what I mean? There is no need to have and use them. Looking forward to your rebuttal DarthKirones

  • CON

    You have to wear proper attire and on Fridays wear...

    Schools should have uniforms

    It hinders creativity and Individuality. At the beginning of the school year schools usually tell the students that the school supports their individuality. When uniforms are enforced there is no individuality when everyone is wearing the same thing. 2.It prepares children for the worst. A common argument is that it prepares children for the future. I think it does the opposite. When you get an office job you get a dress code. This is the case with most other jobs. You have to wear proper attire and on Fridays wear whatever as long as it's a appropriate. Jobs that require uniforms are usually for fast food restaurants, janitorial duties and waiting jobs. It's telling kids not to reach for the stars but keep your expectations low. 3.Independence When a child is told what to do they never learn. They just follow direction. So if faced with a challenge in real life they never know what to do. If you give a child a uniform it stops them from being independent. In the mornings when they get dressed when all they have to do is reach for that same pair of slacks and blouse there is nothing independent about that. When they have to work for a real job they will see that there is more to getting dressed then throwing on what they have to where. You have to make sure it's appropriate and fits properly. You have to make sure it matches. This prepares kids to understand how much time they need in the morning and wake up accordingly. I await pro's arguments.

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  • CON

    Then they then assume this, therefore, means that they...

    School uniform should be abolished

    School may not be viewed on live television, but a school uniform is the uniform you wear during class periods as well as the Phys. Ed uniforms and team uniforms that are used to represent the school, everything comes hand in hand. The same goes for uniforms of different professions, are you going to argue that students down the line when they have jobs like doctors, lawyers and police that they should be able to have the option to wear shorts and a t-shirt if they were a doctor? Of course not, uniforms are put in place for the best of the worker and society. If you were in need of serious help and needed a police officer, how would you be able to tell the difference between a regular civilian and a police officer if there was no uniform? If you want to get rid of uniforms in school, you are setting youth up on a path to thinking that their creativity is more important than the task at hand. I attend a uniform school and I have all my life, I have also lived in different countries and I know the way the schools work around the world, by your choice of words I can tell you are from the United Kingdom. (Referring to your use of 'GCSE' and 'posh' and other Brit centred words.) In the United Kingdom, 82 percent of state schools ( public schools for my fellow North Americans) require primary students to wear a uniform, by the end of a child's time in pre university education, 98% of English schools ( State and Independent/ Public and Private ) require a student to wear a uniform. So if we return to your starting statement where you say that: 'When a bully sees a child in a uniform they immediately suspect that they have rich parents that spoil them. Then they then assume this, therefore, means that they have a posh expensive phone. This leads to mugging and then bullying.' This is untrue. State and independent schools have uniforms and most people at these schools aren't in fact 'rich' and 'posh', and even if they went to a fee paying Independent school, in England alone over "850 million of bursaries alone are given each year to young flourishing minds who can't afford the luxury of a fee paying school. (Sources National Registry and the Financial Times) Dress coding does take up time unfortunately, but the way to combat this isn't to take up a students class or free period time. If you want to save time, just enforce uniform rules and be done with it. You stated that I said students split into social groups and that I quoted "the popular," "the sporty," and the "geeks.", I never made any reference to that, and you also say that Uniform has nothing directly to do with friend groups, If a uniform was not enforced and there were richer spoilt kids alongside poorer less spoilt kids, I'm sorry, but the richer spoilt kids who think they're better (Don't try to deny this every school has one) than everybody else, are not going to come and start being friendly towards the less fortunate. Also I still don't see you citing your sources. Next time before you go after me, make sure you are not going to embarrass yourself by still not fixing the same mistake you have an issue with.

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  • CON

    Thanks to Pro for the challenge. I will be arguing that...

    sholud school uniform be given or not

    Thanks to Pro for the challenge. I will be arguing that school uniforms should not be required for two main reasons. 1. How we dress is an expression of our personalities. Requiring uniforms stifles a child's creativity, and ability to express himself through his/her wardrobe. 2. Dress codes can be enforced that stop kids from wearing clothing that can be a distraction, in the learning environment, thus there is no need to exert authority over what kids wear to school so long as it meets standards of decency. I look forward to Pro's arguments.

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  • CON

    Uniform has bad influences on our youth, because KZ youth...

    High school students should wear uniforms.

    oh, my friend, we are not living in the Sovet Union, not in ancient times. I repeat it is modern time. if we want to develop our country and take a place in the modern countries. Uniform has bad influences on our youth, because KZ youth want to be like American. So, it is useful, if we give our youth children, and it helps them to be more confident, creatively and more free. we cannot take youth's rights from their young age. To sum up, we shouldn't take uniforms as necessity.

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  • CON

    Uniforms provide almost no benefits whatsoever. ... If...

    Students should wear school uniform.

    We should be focusing on the performance of the students rather than the way they are dressed. Uniforms provide almost no benefits whatsoever. The only valid benefit for Uniforms provide almost no benefits whatsoever. The only valid benefit for school uniforms is the safety they bring. They prevent outside intruders from entering the school unannounced and they make it easier to spot a student that is lost. Even so, most schools have scanner machines so that students can use their school district ID's to sign in. If someone that was not a student at the school happened to trespass, they would be caught immediately. Personally, I think dress codes would be better. They allow students to wear want they want and to be creative, but still restrict students to wear only school appropriate attire.

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  • CON

    I believe that uniforms should not be necessary, as...

    Every school must have a uniform

    I believe that uniforms should not be necessary, as having unique and different clothes lets a student express themselves, and be comfortable, and also to have the responsibility of having their own choices, and not be just put into the same group as everyone else, wearing the same clothes. It is very similar to freedom of speech, students should be allowed to wear what they want, within reason, and also saves the families of students money as school uniforms tend to be expensive. Also, just to shed some light on this. For older students nearing the end of school, how can we expect them to make important life decision when they can't even choose their own clothes?

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  • CON

    Does that mean teachers should wear uniforms too? " ......

    All schools shouldn't have uniforms

    Contention 1: "While ... Does that mean teachers should wear uniforms too? " My opponent makes a non sequitur. Firstly, a dress code, a strict one might I add, is present in all formal establishments for the people that work there. Additionally, the repercussions for dressing in an immature or unprofessional way for a teacher can be very detrimental to their financial life. To state that a student's role in the school is equatable to the teacher's role, and that both have the same responsibilities and expectations is an absurd statement indeed. Contention 2: "Also... and do not affect the school at all." If parents are not able to procure a uniform for their students, than the state can pay for it at the taxpayer's expense. Additionally, it's much cheaper to buy 1 full set of a uniform that the student wears for the remainder of the year than to buy multiple sets of clothes that are switched out. Note that I have shortened the statements in the quotations due to the lack of room to write.

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