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Feminism

it seems my opponent escaped his first opportunity to start his argument, So i'll do it instead. Many people mistake feminism with misandry, However it isn't equal. My side is pro-feminism, Not pro-misandry. The definition is clear: FEMINISM:"the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes. " MISANDRY:"dislike of, Contempt for, Or ingrained prejudice against men (i. E. The male sex). " both groups of people may protest, But overall feminism still play the sane part. They just ask for equality and rights. Equality not absolute oligarchy. The things feminism may protest would be like: "STOP Gender Pay Gap! " "Girls Can Do This! " these types of people protests in an assertive way. They just ask for the line being pushed back to the center, Not all the way to the other side. They protest on a basis of women being less rightful, And they most likely won't make up a random scenario that women is already superior at such fields. on the other side, What we most likely to see, And what would be in the spotlight, And what whom wanted the spotlight on themselves, Are the misandrists. They are less sane and more aggressive. Being mistaken for feminists, They actually push the fault onto the true feminists. such topics misandrists would argue are: "Men are stupid" "Girls should rule" all these leads to superiority and sexism, Not anything "sane". Notable feminists: (not necessarily, But they contribute to the women) Marie Curie(scientist):first woman to win a Nobel Prize, The first person and only woman to win twice, And the only person to win a Nobel Prize in two different sciences. " Hillary Clinton: Democratic Party's nominee for President of the United States in the 2016 election, The first woman nominated by a major party. Rosa Parks:"American activist in the civil rights movement best known for her pivotal role in the Montgomery bus boycott. The United States Congress has called her "the first lady of civil rights" and "the mother of the freedom movement". " Don't blame the fault of misandry to the feminism. These are 3( yes only 3) example of female empowerment and contribute against discrimination. What we see as misandrists discriminates, And are not equal to feminists. Feminists reduces discrimination.

Feminism

XD you request that someone argue that feminism is fair based on FACTS!?... I think we both know that's not possible because feminism is based completely on emotions and not statistics. I feel like you were hoping a real feminist would accept your challenge so you could destroy them... lets be honest, feminists aren't brave enough to go on a website and take up an argument by themselves. you would probably make a lot of good points, but you would loses because the feminist will just go an wine to there friends and get them to come back her up. While I'm not a feminist, in fact I hate feminism, but I will be happy to represent a fair argument in there favor of there beliefs, regardless of how ignorant and retarded they might be XD I have dealt with a lot of feminists so I trust I can at least try to give you a good fight. Okay -breaths deeply- lets do this... in the situation of two people getting divorced, and assuming the woman gets the children who pays alimony? the woman isn't going to pay alimony to herself! Ha ha men only ever pay alimony when the woman gets the children so I think your questions should be, why do women get the children more often. well it has been proved by science, history, and personal experience that women are better with children. men don't pay alimony because of sexism, they pay alimony because the situation just happens to favor women. I don't understand how people can say that you would probably make a lot of good points, but you would loses because the feminist will just go an wine to there friends and get them to come back her up. While I'm not a feminist, in fact I hate feminism, but I will be happy to represent a fair argument in there favor of there beliefs, regardless of how ignorant and retarded they might be XD I have dealt with a lot of feminists so I trust I can at least try to give you a good fight. Okay -breaths deeply- lets do this... in the situation of two people getting divorced, and assuming the woman gets the children who pays alimony? the woman isn't going to pay alimony to herself! Ha ha men only ever pay alimony when the woman gets the children so I think your questions should be, why do women get the children more often. well it has been proved by science, history, and personal experience that women are better with children. men don't pay alimony because of sexism, they pay alimony because the situation just happens to favor women. I don't understand how people can say that feminism is man hating. it's not hateful of men it is hateful of hate towards women which happens to be more prevalent in men. (P.S. let me know if you thought I was going to go with that "feminism is the belief of equality" BS XD) it isn't our fault you hate women me than women do.

Feminism is not sexist.

According to the rules, I can't make my rebuttal now, so I will skip directly to my second point: Based on my opponent's definition, feminism is not sexist. Now that I start to think about it, I don't really have a BoP, since my opponent is the one claiming that something (feminism) has a particular characteristic (sexist). Nonetheless, I will do my best to provide good reasons to reject the assertion that feminism is sexist. Reminder: Definition of feminism as stated by my opponent: '[Feminism is] The advocacy [or support thereof] of women’s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes" Definition of sexism as stated by my opponent: "[Sexism is] Prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex." The definition of sexism contains three important words: Prejudice, stereotyping and discrimination. I will address them one by one. Prejudice: Definition: 'Preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience' http://www.oxforddictionaries.com... Does feminism advocate prejudice on the basis of sex? According to the definition of feminism, it does not; feminism advocates equal rights between men and women. Experience (as well as reason) as thought us that a society in which everyone possesses equal rights is better of than one where that isn't the case. Therefore, one can not say that feminism advocates prejudice on the basis of sex. Stereotype: Definition: 'A widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing' http://www.oxforddictionaries.com... Does feminism use stereotypes on the basis of sex? According to the definition of feminism, it does not; advocating equality between men and women is actually a good way to ELIMINATE stereotypes, which historically have been mostly directed at women (a few examples: http://www.businessinsider.com...). Therefore, one can not say that feminism is using stereotypes on the basis of sex. Discrimination: Definition: 'The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex' http://www.oxforddictionaries.com... Does feminism advocate the use of discrimination on the basis of sex? Again, according to the definition of feminism, it does not; advocating equal rights is a good way to make sure that we live in a JUST system. Feminism actually seeks to eliminate the idea that men and women are 'different categories of people'. (I have already covered prejudice). Therefore, one can not say that feminism advocates the use of discrimination on the basis of sex. (My other arguments address what my opponent says in Round 2, so I will keep them for the rebuttal) Since feminism advocates neither prejudice nor stereotype nor discrimination, we can safely conclude that, according to the definitions of feminism and sexism, feminism is not sexist.

Feminism

I realised I have joined a pitched battle. The google search "Arguments supporting feminism" has actually turned up only pages of arguments against feminism. I'm not even joking, You can see for yourself. And I must say, Even though this will look bad in the voting period, ALL MY OPPONENT'S ARGUMENTS ARE VALID Because of this, I will have to make my own arguments. Feminism is a complicated subject. The base idea of equality and possibly superiority has picked up many supporters that are toxic human beings in general. The confusion ensuing from less smart people joining a once-noble movement has muddied the waters greatly. But, Even though a large chunk of feminists are hypocritical, Discriminating, Patriarchy-screaming people, They are not all bad. There are some feminists that directly argue an egalitarian agenda, Even though they don't proclaim themselves as egalitarian. Sure, A lot of women don't want to be bricklayers or plumbers or fast food workers, But do men really want that either? Do you grow up as a kid thinking: I want to work at a sewage plant for half my life! You don't. But if an egalitarian agenda is fought for in the name of equality for women, Then the people who screw up and need to work an undesirable job would become equal. And that is true equality. In some areas, Feminism has overreached in ways of red herrings or kind politeness. (Looking at you Amy Schumer) However, In some ways, It hasn't gotten far enough. While it is possible to sue a sperm donor for child support and win, It is also possible to have a president with 21 sexual misconduct allegations including a teen beauty pageant. While rape jokes are frowned upon by most people, When the roles are reversed they become funny again. The concept of the 'perfect girl' is still a thing focused upon by too many girls in my school, Middle aged mothers, And recently graduated college students. Women's ability to vote was just the beginning. Another recent event that has come in the name of equality is the 'me too' movement. Allegations should always be taken seriously, But if they are false, The victim has to own up to his or her lies, And the bad news around the blamed person should be cleared up. In a perfect world, That's how it would be. But it isn't a perfect world. It's a world with greedy, Misaligned people who falsely accuse or suppress true accusations. People who, Up until very recently had no troubles with that underground gas line. In conclusion of this paragraph, Feminism pushes a good point under this topic. In an egalitarian movement, Everyone has the right to express whoever they want to be. This is not something I see in my school. There are about 50-150 girls in my school that if you put them side by side, You would have trouble telling the differences. I have talked with my ex as well as other girls about this standard, And they always shut down the idea of embracing their ideals as if they were scared of the concept. (As you may be able to tell, I'm not the average teenage boy) The feminist movement pushes strong, If not necessarily equal women. A mixture of feminism (as in girls being strong too) and egalitarianism (Everyone having equal advantages and disadvantages) Would be the best way to go. So, You may not be wrong in some points of your argument, But you are incorrect in your stance against ALL forms of feminism. Some responses: Quote: "Women's suffrage is not 'feminist, ' and it was the result of a shift in culture and subsequent advances a result of the introduction of birth control and other scientific advancements. " Was it right and just that women got to vote or no? Quote: "should be treated equally to men. " What about the double standards? Should girls be treated like they shouldn't cry and need to compete in sports? Should men be forced to cook and tend the babies for women who have higher income than them? Thank you for your recommendation, But I will stick to what I said. Yes, We are different, But we are still equal. We are all intelligent to a degree and had the same ancestors. So, Women should be exactly equal to men. There is a difference between equality and equity. Equality is where everyone gets treated the same no matter what, Equity is where everyone gets exactly what they need to come out equal in the end. Quote: "And that makes them angry" This is both a micro-aggression and stereotyping. Do all feminists or even all contemporaries become angry at the concept of a person not being fooled by a lie? A look at "The New Yorker" reveals that feminism itself recently shattered. With one side becoming "so soft they're becoming useless" and one side becoming "too strict an ideology. " And you can't argue against both. You argue against the contemporary movement, Which is more women>men, But you fail to realize there are two more pieces of the shattered movement. The contemporary movement is the biggest, And the loudest, And the most hateful, So it is the one plastered on all the news sites. But the original movement still stands. Brave women who want to be soldiers, Who want to feel equally safe, Who want to compete, Who want to preform physical labor, Who want to live their life to the fullest in co-existence with everyone. They fight for the concept that women=men. In conclusion, Some feminism is bad, As with every group in existence, But some of it is good too. Therefore, You cannot argue against all forms of feminism. Your floor

Feminism

Sorry for the late argument, I had stuff to do over the weekend and forgot to pull out my laptop. To begin, Mi"cro"ag"gres"sion [G6;mīkr! 3;əG2;ɡreSHən] <--- (wow English is weird) NOUN a statement, Action, Or incident regarded as an instance of indirect, Subtle, Or unintentional discrimination against members of a marginalized group such as a racial or ethnic minority. "students posed with dry-erase boards documenting their experiences with microaggressions on campus" indirect, Subtle, Or unintentional discrimination against members of a marginalized group. "they are not subject to daily acts of microaggression" I learned the term and definition of microaggresion from South Park, So take that with a grain of salt, But the point still stands. Second, My opponent is changing their definition of feminism to fit their own arguments, Calling points of equality strived for by many "Not feminist" I never claimed my opponent was arguing against the people. I claimed that he is arguing against "all forms of the idea" of which even the smaller forms need to be taken into account. Yes, People prefer to make fun of the postmodern movement, But what about movements of the past? Equal pay, Equal opportunity, Equal rights. Those were in the name of feminism. An argument for equality of outcome is exactly what we need, No? Outcome being how people are treated and respected on the streets. Outcome on where we end up when we start to die. Similar to giving people glasses so that they can see as well as any other person. If female biology means that they need a little bit more help to have quality-of-life equal to men, Give them that help. " There is no reason for a false-victim to own up to her lips as she's a victim of the patriarchy. " There is every reason for a false victim to own up to lies. Accusations destroy lives almost as much as the assaults themselves. Being a minority does not excuse you from ruining someone's life because you feel like it. Switching the roles, If a man were to accuse a powerful woman of something she didn't do, And ruin her image in the process, He would receive so much hate he would basically need to go into witness progression to escape it, Especially if it was false. The argument presented was seeing the accusation from the POV of only the postmodern feminists. Maybe not all women want to be held equally accountable for their actions, But surely some don't like the fact that exposing themselves to a police officer might get them out of a ticket. Surely some feminists want equal responsibility for their gender. And if some want it, Then not all of feminism is wrong. " they're emulating a perceived ideal" That ideal is what is wrong. If a girl wants to be like that, Nobody is stopping them. But if the girl wants to be different or wants to stand out, The fear of being looked down upon by guys or friends scares them into conforming. One is normal, Two is a coincidence, More is a trend, But doesn't it get to a point where it seems unnatural? Does it not seem like some of the girls may not want to be the polite little princesses they are? Sure, It is a societal norm, But that doesn't mean that the "strong woman" portrait of feminism won't help them be themselves a little more. I argue a focused point and make it broad, But that is basically the standing ground of my argument. I argue to prove that not all feminism is bad, And if any parts of feminism are truly good, Then your argument against all forms will lose. Some say the good of a few outweighs the bad of the many. I say the good points of feminism can eventually be seen past the dyed hair, Self-centered screeching of the individuals that stole the spotlight and cast a negative shadow.