Pro vs. con view
Topic space viewUniforms in school
I think that uniforms are good. they are good because first of all, there is no bullying or discrimination on if you have more expensive clothes or not. Second of all, everyone has the same respect for everyone. You also don't have to spend lots of time deciding what to wear.
School uniforms ought to be worn in primary and secondary schools.
My argument in this debate is that uniforms put people in a mode of focusing on the activity associated with the uniform. It also enhances the sense of unity behind a common purpose. The supporting evidence includes the self-assessment of judges, police officers, military people, and many others who say it has those effects. We also see it in the use of uniforms in many circumstances where identification is not required or could be achieved by lesser means. Con has offered no rebuttal evidence, but rather merely argues that he "doesn't see it." In the United States, there have been two major experiments in public schools, in Long Beach and Baltimore. Both produced resounding successes as measured by fewer incidents of discipline breaking down and by improved academic performance. All of the educators involved attribute the improvements to the uniforms policy. Exactly one study using erroneous statistical analysis methods opined the improvements must have come from something else, but they couldn't identify any specific policy changes as causes. The language of the study also makes the authors' bias apparent. Actual experience should prevail over biased statistical abuse that leaves the school transformations as essentially unexplained miracles. I acknowledge that there are many factors that go into educational performance. If parental concern is high, and students are successfully taught self-discipline in the home, then uniforms can only be expected to make a small difference. That's observed in the comparison of Catholic schools having and not having uniform policies. However, such is not typical of the United States, and that is why the Long Beach and Baltimore experiments were so successful. In societies that place a high value on education, uniforms probably have only a marginal effect, because parental concern and student self-discipline is consequently high. Nonetheless, these societies know what works and choose to make use of every incremental advantage. Countries like Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Hong Kong, and Singapore all use uniforms as part of the set policies that lead to educational excellence. The do so despite having class sizes much larger than those in the United States, something only possible with exceptional student focus and discipline. I suspect that few American high school students want uniforms. I know I would not have wanted it when I was in high school. I also did not like quite a number of things forced upon me that turned out to be good in the long run. In retrospect, there are more things that would have been good in the long run, like a foreign language requirement, that I would not have liked at the time. The decision of what is good educational policy should be based upon objective outcomes, not student sentiment. Many students see no point in Math or English classes, and they are wrong about that too. I agreed that uniforms limit diversity. So do dress codes of any types. So do uniforms for sports teams and marching bands. I challenged Con to explain why it was a problem to limit diversity in the way students dress, when they will still be diverse in their thoughts, attitude, and cultural experience. The intellectual realm of diversity is what is important for schools, not clothing styles. Besides, how many students actually dress in costumes representative of their cultural heritage? Japanese in kimonos? Canadians in red and black checked shirts (that's what they wear at the Canadian exhibit at Epcot)? It's rare. I did not propose a dichotomy. I made the accurate observation that the academic benefit of diversity is in intellectual considerations, not traditional costumes. In fact, I suspect that while rare, some students who like to be unburdened from parents decisions on traditional costumes, so uniforms would be a step up for them. With respect o school unity, Con asks, "Why is it not desirable for students to compete on a more individual level? Schools are really more about individualism, and no student is ultimately responsible for another student's success." Students impact each others performance without being "ultimately responsible." The group effects include preserving order in the classroom so that time is not wasted on discipline problems, providing simple encouragement (like the universal anime school phrase, "do your best"), by avoiding peer pressure for students to ignore studies, and by helping fellow students in ways like sharing class notes and providing assignment to students out with illness. One way to keep advanced students for being bored is have them tutor students who are having difficulty. Also, if a student wants his school to do well, be will try a little harder to avoid being one who brings the school average down. In that respect it is like a member of sports team who wants to avoid being the one responsible for a loss, and so practices harder. Con argues, "Focus is most likely important. But why discipline? Only a relatively small fraction of students have real difficulty with authority. For others, relatively minor discipline is adequate, ..." The type of discipline related to serious rule breaking is a problem in some schools, but for many schools it is about avoiding minor class disruption, committing to doing school work, and in general treating school like a job. Schools in East Asia excel despite much larger class sizes than in the U.S., class sizes that educators believe would be unworkable here. Con argues, "Further enforcement of discipline would lead to dislike of and separatism from one's school, which is the very opposite of identity." The benefits of discipline outweigh the aversion to discipline, and students will come to realize that quickly. Members of highly disciplined professions like police and the military take pride in their uniforms because they recognize that their professions benefit from. I'm not suggesting anything nearly so severely disciplined for students; it is a matter of incremental gain. Students in the United States will benefit. The experiments prove it works. Are the children of parents who impose little discipline in fact happier than those who receive reasonable discipline? They are not. We are not talking about imposing military rules, just uniforms. "But requiring that students wear uniforms will do very little, if anything, to curtail students' desire for fashionableness." They may desire to be fashionable, but the ability to express the desire will be significantly limited by disallowing it at school. There are not many students who cannot afford uniforms compared to those who can. Consequently, having to subsidize poor students is a small cost. Baltimore parents paid for poor students uniforms and found that it nonetheless significantly lowered their overall costs. There is no reason why uniforms need to cost much more than ordinary clothing, and everybody has to wear something. What is avoided is expensive fashion. Con's arguments are that he doesn't like it and cannot see it. That's not an effective counter to the evidence of experience. We can understand why uniforms work effectively in many professions, and those reasons apply to schools. Moreover, the major experiments in Long Beach and Baltimore verify that they in fact work as expected. The resolution is affirmed. I will let Con conclude the debate in the next round, so that we have each had three opportunities to present arguments. I will pass in the last round.
School Uniforms
Kids should be allowed to express themselves but most take advantage of it. if we had uniforms, you would have less of a struggle to find cute clothes that fit in the dress code.
School Uniforms, on Balance, are Beneficial
Unfortunately, my opponent has forfeited this round and I cannot defend my case from his rebuttals, since he made none. I will however be telling the voters why I have won: My "deterrence of crime" argument outweighs my opponent's "cost" argument (which I refuted) I have successfully met my BoP I haven't forfeited I have successfully refuted my opponent's case, however he has not done the same to me, leaving ALL of my points true by default. I have proven that, on balance and with all arguments considered, school uniforms are beneficial. I have used stastics and logical syllogisms to prove my arguments, which I must do in order to fulfill my BoP Hope my opponent is okay since he hasn't been on in two days.
Public school students should wear uniforms
Hi there BayBayShri. I am happy to take up your challenge and argue for having uniforms in public schools. The first point I want to make is that school uniforms promote equity throughout the school itself. If you are poor, and you have to wear your normal clothes, then people can ridicule you because of it. if you are rich, and you wear your normal clothes, people will try to be like you and then they struggle. They become lost because there is someone who is so much better than them. When there is a school uniform, everyone will look the same, so that no one is discriminated because of what they wear. That's why most schools (including mine) have uniform: it promotes equity. I look forward to your next point arguing against this topic. MasterPhoenix
Teens and kids should wear school uniforms
I think kids should wear school uniforms they help stop bulling and they look nice.
School uniforms should be required by U.S. public schools.
I believe that public schools should be required for their kids to wear school uniforms.
School Uniforms
Most schools accept the students to choose between a couple different options on colors for the polo, pants, and skirts. Along with this students have a series of sweatshirts they can wear and other apparel so with the uniforms the students still have some freedom on what they can wear. At the same time there can not be alot of different options as that makes the uniform system broken.
Uniforms in school
In my uniform, I have a tie and it is never a problem. My classmates don't think does either. If you buy things from cheap stores with gently used clothes, you could get picked on for that reason too. People will be like "Oh you have cheap clothes cause you can't afford it" sort of thing. So I think that one of the main reasons why If you buy things from cheap stores with gently used clothes, you could get picked on for that reason too. People will be like "Oh you have cheap clothes cause you can't afford it" sort of thing. So I think that one of the main reasons why uniforms are important is for that reason.
School Uniforms are not needed
Con is supposed to be against the idea of not wearing uniforms, per the debate topic. He is currently against the idea of wearing uniforms. Therefore, he concedes entirely, and I win this debate. #noobsnipe Should Con actually argue for his side, I will post a legitimate argument.
High school students should wear uniforms
I think high school students should not wear uniforms, because it restricts their rights. They can make a decision by themselves, also they do not like when somebody requires it.
Mandatory School Uniforms are a violation of free expression
I'd like to thank my opponent for his acceptance and would love to begin without much further adeiu. My Opponent's Case: My opponent's case makes a whole lot of historical and statistical claims...before actually getting to the relevant part of if it violates Free Expression. The points about the colors of clothing having effects and how much we spend on clothing and different ways to wear one's trousers, while certainly being interesting, have no pertinance on the actual resolution today. The points about color specifically are just an arbitrary assigning of value based on appearance, but I don't feel like wasting time on something that doens't link to the resolution. ANYWAY, let us continue. My opponent then goes on to make the claim, actually on topic this time, that because uniforms offer a limited range of clothes it represses our ability to freely express ourselves. This is a problem for three reasons: First: We still have the ability to design how we present ourselves physically that go outside of the clothes we wear. The make-up women use, the way one styles and/or colors their hair, accessories and types and brands of shoes, all of which are not generally addressed by uniforms, are ways for one to express themselves while maintaining consistency with the school dress code. So it doesn't actually preclude our ability to express ourselves, and thus doesn't violate it. Second: Even if we don't have control over anything that we wear or how we appear in any aspect (doubtful in itself), we still control how we act. Baring a mental coersion treatment where we are forced to act how the school wants us to in this uniform, we control how we wish to act. Our actions function as our ability to express ourselves far better than any clothing can, due to the fact that clothing are unable to truly express us without our actions and personality affecting what we wear. This alone allows us to fully express ourselves, regardless of what we wear. Third: Even the courts, the people who have decided on the freedom of speech and expression and the like, ruled that school uniforms don't violate our freedom of expression.[1] As such, school uniforms actually don't violate our freedom of expression, as there are many ways we can still express ourselves. Sources: [1] http://www.freerepublic.com...
Kids should wear school uniforms
Intro: I see the world become so uniform. Everybody has to be the same. I like people who are different. Eric Cantona Contention 1: Freedom of expression. We have a right to express ourselves how we choose. We are individuals. We are not the same. We need to express ourselves. The index did a story on March 20th, 2013. It states, "The lack of access to freedom of expression is a problem that particularly affects the already marginalised "" that is, minorities facing discrimination both in developed and developing countries, from LGBT people in African countries, to disabled people in Western Europe. While the scale of their struggles varies greatly, the principle is the same: within the context of their society, these groups face greater barriers to freedom of expression than the majority. If they are unable to communicate their ideas, views, worries and needs effectively, means they are often excluded from meaningful participation in society, and from the opportunity to better their own circumstances. In other words, discrimination is one of the core elements of unequal access to freedom of expression." We need freedom of expression. https://www.indexoncensorship.org... Contention 2: School uniform policies are bad. They don't have that much power. Plus it targets the wrong people.The gaurdian did a story on June 19th, 2014. It states, "The state sixth-form college I attended had a nonexistent clothing policy " many of us took our A-levels in pyjamas without a teacher batting an eyelid " and a track record in results that rivalled the nearby private schools. At one of those private schools, my teenage boyfriend was being harassed, repeatedly, about his haircut by a cohort of adults. At one point, the headmaster of this prestigious institution was left with his head in his hands by the very idea of a (clever, well behaved) young boy whose naturally curly hair went slightly past his ears. Suspension from school was seriously discussed " even expulsion. He was a straight-A student. It was utterly absurd." http://www.theguardian.com... Contention 3: Costs. I could buy a few days worth of regular clothes in exchange for this single school unifom. Here are the prices of school uniforms per gender. Now compare that to your own shopping readers. Think about how absurd this really is. Claims are there of saving money. Really? More like wanting them to spend more. http://www.classroomuniforms.com... Conclusion: School uniforms are bad in more than one way. I hope this has helped shed some light on the situation. Please vote for me.
are school uniforms good or bad
I think that uniforms are boring and are not helpful
We need school uniforms
I think uniforms are not comfortable. They don't make students express their feelings, and students don't like them.
TROLL DEBATE: School Uniforms Should Not Be Required
My psychic powers already told me that you had an evil twin brother. He wants world domination but the only way he can be defeated is by wearing a Winnie the Pooh uniform. Oh god help us! Don't ban the only thing that can save us! School uniforms!
School Uniforms benefit schools
Thank you for a wonderful debate. REFUTATIONS: "Yeah but you're talking about finding a look." And sometime that is the only way for a kid to express themselves. "So you are of the belief that kids expressing themselves with clothing will take from the other ways in which they could express themselves. Well that's what it sounds like from your above statement anyway. So by your logic allowing students to wear their own clothes would take from their expressing themselves and being creative in subjects like art, English and music." Some kids aren't able to express themselves in those other fields. I am just suggesting that we keep the option of kids expressing themselves through clothes open. "I'll give you that, but its a small price to pay to free up all that creativity that could be put to a better use than finding a look, isn't it?" No, creativity isn't finite resource, to only be used in one field. If you are creative, and you make a painting, you are not "less" creative than before you made the painting. However, there are limited ways you can use your creativity. It is obviously ideal to use it in all the ways possible. "And why doesn't the student just buy the uniform if he's that stuck for money" Because they are uncomfortable, and can't be used for physical activities. "There is no huge difference in the prices you found for us seeing as you left out the belt to go with the jeans and t-shirt." That is because few kids wear a belt with jeans and a t-shirt, and it is not required. "Your argument is based on the fact that someone might only be able to afford one pair of clothes but you haven't put forward any argument for why the jeans and t-shirt are a necessity." Kid's need clothes, at the very least, for athletic activities. "Whereas in a Well that's what it sounds like from your above statement anyway. So by your logic allowing students to wear their own clothes would take from their expressing themselves and being creative in subjects like art, English and music." Some kids aren't able to express themselves in those other fields. I am just suggesting that we keep the option of kids expressing themselves through clothes open. "I'll give you that, but its a small price to pay to free up all that creativity that could be put to a better use than finding a look, isn't it?" No, creativity isn't finite resource, to only be used in one field. If you are creative, and you make a painting, you are not "less" creative than before you made the painting. However, there are limited ways you can use your creativity. It is obviously ideal to use it in all the ways possible. "And why doesn't the student just buy the uniform if he's that stuck for money" Because they are uncomfortable, and can't be used for physical activities. "There is no huge difference in the prices you found for us seeing as you left out the belt to go with the jeans and t-shirt." That is because few kids wear a belt with jeans and a t-shirt, and it is not required. "Your argument is based on the fact that someone might only be able to afford one pair of clothes but you haven't put forward any argument for why the jeans and t-shirt are a necessity." Kid's need clothes, at the very least, for athletic activities. "Whereas in a school where uniforms are not required a student who wore the same clothes to school every day would definitely be in the minority. In this way it would spare them embarrassment." They could be easily be made fun of for having a tattered uniform. "The difference in cost is tiny if you don't include the belt." Again, the belt is only required with the uniform. "If the student kept his/her eyes on the floor on the way to the shop to replace the clothes, he/she would probably make up the difference." What? "People in suits are generally a lot safer to approach that crack addicts." So they are intrinsically better than them, just because they wear a suit. "You'll be hard put to find a polo shirt that comes close to even being half as distracting as that. You probably cant even remember what we were debating after looking at that picture." Ok, fine. Maybe that was a strech. But attractive girls will be oggled, no matter what they wear. "Outsiders have to be adults?" Uniforms have the same problem, unless you require teahers too wear them. "How much are the poor kids going to have to pay to get their ID's printed?" Only teachers would need them, because you an easily assume a kid won't break into a school. Thank you for reading.
Teens and kids should wear school uniforms
In reply to your previous pints made in the last round: 1. Do you have a source for this? I am just curious because the source I had listed the opposite; that clothing had no effect on behavior or academics. Also from my own personal experience, if there is any focus on fashion at all, it happens in the halls or outside of the classroom, rather then when the students are trying to learn. 2. It may make mornings easier, but unless a kid has a separate uniform for every day of the week, then it will be a hassle having to wash two or three pairs of clothing repeatedly. 3. It may be avoided partially, but staff often has to monitor students even more closely due to them having a strict dress code, and any students not dressing in an exact way will be written up. In my experience of going to both a school where a uniform was required, and when I went to one without, I saw way more students being written up for getting their uniform wrong, then when I went to a non-uniform school. 4. Where is the source for many experts? 5. This point is not valid because just as many normal clothes are required for Also from my own personal experience, if there is any focus on fashion at all, it happens in the halls or outside of the classroom, rather then when the students are trying to learn. 2. It may make mornings easier, but unless a kid has a separate uniform for every day of the week, then it will be a hassle having to wash two or three pairs of clothing repeatedly. 3. It may be avoided partially, but staff often has to monitor students even more closely due to them having a strict dress code, and any students not dressing in an exact way will be written up. In my experience of going to both a school where a uniform was required, and when I went to one without, I saw way more students being written up for getting their uniform wrong, then when I went to a non-uniform school. 4. Where is the source for many experts? 5. This point is not valid because just as many normal clothes are required for It may make mornings easier, but unless a kid has a separate uniform for every day of the week, then it will be a hassle having to wash two or three pairs of clothing repeatedly. 3. It may be avoided partially, but staff often has to monitor students even more closely due to them having a strict dress code, and any students not dressing in an exact way will be written up. In my experience of going to both a school where a uniform was required, and when I went to one without, I saw way more students being written up for getting their uniform wrong, then when I went to a non-uniform school. 4. Where is the source for many experts? 5. This point is not valid because just as many normal clothes are required for school, as uniforms would be, so you would not actually be buying fewer clothes. Also uniforms often end up being a lot more pricey than normal clothing. People don't often find uniforms at goodwill or any cheap store like they can with clothing. This makes it an issue for lower income families. 6. This point requires your premise no. 5 to be true, which it is not.
School Uniforms are a good Idea
OK. I'll start by saying I'm a socialist and I believe that there should be no social differences between different families. The fact remains though that there are great social differences between families but, when it comes to clothing, casual clothes can be bought for far less money than I'll start by saying I'm a socialist and I believe that there should be no social differences between different families. The fact remains though that there are great social differences between families but, when it comes to clothing, casual clothes can be bought for far less money than school uniforms if done efficiently and wisely ( for instance if bought from Primark ) . And lets face it; no-one is going to go to school in designer clothes that they bare the risk of damaging or defacing. For those reasons I really don't think money is a problem. Another premise you use is the reduction of violence and sex-offences. You have not stated why you think there is an increase in violence and you have not offered any relevant sources of information so I cannot argue this point. The premise of an increase in sex-offence however is, I assume, in your opinion, is caused by girls wearing mini skirts, low necked-tops, e.t.c. People cannot be blamed for sexual attacks directed at them under any circumstances! People should be able to wear what they want without having to worry about a criminal attacking them. The purpose of the 'SlutWalk' protests is to promote this point. You can look those up on Google. Finally, I can talk from experience. My The fact remains though that there are great social differences between families but, when it comes to clothing, casual clothes can be bought for far less money than school uniforms if done efficiently and wisely ( for instance if bought from Primark ) . And lets face it; no-one is going to go to school in designer clothes that they bare the risk of damaging or defacing. For those reasons I really don't think money is a problem. Another premise you use is the reduction of violence and sex-offences. You have not stated why you think there is an increase in violence and you have not offered any relevant sources of information so I cannot argue this point. The premise of an increase in sex-offence however is, I assume, in your opinion, is caused by girls wearing mini skirts, low necked-tops, e.t.c. People cannot be blamed for sexual attacks directed at them under any circumstances! People should be able to wear what they want without having to worry about a criminal attacking them. The purpose of the 'SlutWalk' protests is to promote this point. You can look those up on Google. Finally, I can talk from experience. My school has hosted many 'No Uniform' days which allow us to wear what we want for the duration of that day. Our education is no less intuitive or productive on those days, and no-one is attacked or sexually abused, what-so-ever. J.P.
Uniforms For Schools
If school uniforms were made, that would eliminate freedom and uniqueness upon first impression for children. I beleive that if uniforms were made, everyone would be beleived as the same and boring. As uniforms may help some issues with dress codes and how girls and guys dress, it would punish the ones that dress correctly for nothing. And also, good luck to you also
