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  • PRO

    People are dying out there because of the developed...

    Developed Countries have a moral obligation to mitigate the effects of climate change

    Thank you opponent My opponent has two main arguments and I will refute them both and show how I win this debate. 1. Their first main argument is that developing countries should have the moral obligation as well This is wrong because 1. Developed countries emitted way more than the developing countries now, during the industrial revolution. The thus have the moral obligation now. Later, when the developing countries become service oriented like the developed countries (refer to my CIA definition) then they shall have the moral obligation. Since we are talking about currently using past evidence, the developed countries should have a moral obligation 2. We are not stopping the developing nations from mitigating. 3. People are dying out there because of the developed countries' actions during the industrial revolution. 9 Million are saved from vaccines, 12,000 from terrorism, and billions from the environmental causes. Let me give an analogy. If you set a house on fire, and someone is burning inside, you have the moral obligation to save that person. In this analogy, the person who set the house on fire is the developed countries and the developing countries are adding to the fire while you are not doing anything, merely copying your actions. Thus they have the moral obligation. 2. Their second main argument is that this will all happen anyways (sorry if I misunderstood the argument) with oil companies going out of business. This is wrong because 1. Green energy is a way to mitigate climate change and so it is related. 2. This is exactly my point. If we mitigate climate change, we are converting to renewable energy industries, thus stopping terrorism. 3. If you say the citizens convert on their own, this is good, they are mitigating climate change by doing so. Since a citizen represents a developed country, the developed country is mitigating climate change, and this is my point. Also, a citizen of a developed country represents a developed country because if you leave the USA during lets say World War 2. If you get arrested, in Germany, you probably were arrested because you were American (no racial/ethnic discrimination intended) Also, my opponents have not adequetly refuted my 1st contention. If anyone (judge/judges or opponent) wants any evidence sites from my case, just ask. Thanks you for your time, opponent and judge/judges Please vote for the pro/aff

  • PRO

    President Trump now denies denying climate change. ......

    ‘I Don’t Know That It’s Man-Made,’ Trump Says of Climate Change. It Is.

    President Trump now denies denying climate change. In an interview on Sunday with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” Mr. Trump backed off his long-held claim that global warming is a hoax. But he also made several new assertions unsupported by science.

  • PRO

    Now lets get started. ... Got that so far.

    Global Climate Change is a problem and needs to be addressed.

    Alright you asked for it. Now lets get started. I am going to make this as easy as possible for you. I am going to lay everything out in a clear-cut manner. I will tell you what Now lets get started. I am going to make this as easy as possible for you. I am going to lay everything out in a clear-cut manner. I will tell you what is fact and what is speculation. First off we must address climate. Climate definition roughly means the physical properties of the troposphere (thats a layer in the atmosphere) of an area based on analysis of its weather records over a long period of time. The two main factors that determine the climate is temperature and amount and distribution. Got that so far. Now one of the main culprits of Global Climate change is the Greenhouse Gases lets get a definition. Greenhouse Gases- Gases in the lower atmosphere that cause the Greenhouse affect. These include carbon dioxide, chlorofluorocarbons, ozone, methane, water vapor, and nitrous oxide. Now lets get a definition of Greenhouse effect Greenhouse Effect- A natural effect that releases heat in the atmosphere near the earth's surface. Greenhouse Gases (those stated above) absorb some of the heat that is radiated by the earth's surface. This heat that is absorbed is then re-radiated out to heat the atmosphere. If natural causes do not keep greenhouse gases under control the temperature will rise. There now that we have these facts (yes these above are facts and are impossible to prove otherwise, chemically its impossible) Now we must look at what is going on today. Since the dawn of the industrial revolution we have been burning fossils fuels in massive quantities. Right now the current level of CO2 in the atmosphere is 385 parts per million http://www.nytimes.com... Now since we know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas we know that it traps heat. Armed with this knowledge we can see a direct relationship between CO2 levels and increase in temperature. However remember that temperatures will only rise if the rate of replenishment is greater than that of the carbon emissions (in other words how much plant life converts into oxygen) Lets look at that Along with burning fossil fuels we have harvested massive quantities of timber for paper and building materials. It is estimated that right now we are 100 times over the natural rate http://news.mongabay.com... The rain-forest right now is under half its original size and used to produce 20% of the worlds oxygen. The Taiga forest in northern Canada is just started to be seriously logged. Currently it produces 1/3 of the worlds oxygen. Now to further add to the problem we have methane gas. Due to increased temperatures in the Arctic we are seeing a melting of permafrost. This permafrost is essentially rotting vegetation that has been storing methane gas for thousands of years. When you start to thaw out this frozen ground you start to release the stored methane. Methane compared to C02 has about 3 times the insolation power.http://www.terranature.org... Now lets combine all those factors in one. We know that we have released massive quantities of CO2 and methane into the atmosphere. These gases unchecked insulate the earth and create a rise in temperature. By eliminating our checks like the rain-forest we are eliminating our ability to remove these gases and increasing the temperature. Now what to do about it becomes the real problem. Deforestation needs to be stopped and more environmentally friendly techniques must be taken. Like selective cutting rather than the clear-cutting Brazil is using today. Carbon emissions must be lowered. This sounds like it might be a bit daunting at first but if we re-design the gasoline motor and make it more efficient we can cut back. Also in power-plants if we can lower waste hear (current waste heat for a coal fired power plant is close to 80% in some facilitates). Solar power is already being used and many die hard environmentalists are supporting more nuclear power because of the current situation. Now I would like you to now try and address these points that I have made. Please answer them and don't deviate and pull a straw-man. Stick to the current topic and points that have been brought up. Then we can move on to new points but only until you address all of mine first. Lets keep this civil and hopefully we will all learn something valuable.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Global-Climate-Change-is-a-problem-and-needs-to-be-addressed./1/
  • PRO

    The United States must do more to combat climate change...

    The US needs to do much more to combat climate change

    The United States must do more to combat climate change for the following reasons 1. More jobs in sustainable energy 2. Less dependence on Saudi for oil 3. A better enviroment back home.

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  • PRO

    Even though 98% of scientists agree that climate change...

    Obama should declair a state of emergency because of climate change

    Even though 98% of scientists agree that climate change is happening and is due to human activity, there are many that put their heads in the sand and pretend it's not true. Since it will take too much time to convince enough politicians to take this matter seriously enough, and time is not on our side, I think the president should declare a state of emergency because of climate change. Here why this is a good idea: 1. At the beginning of World War Two, A state of emergency was declared and all the car factories in the country were converted into making tanks overnight. President Obama could do something similar if he declared a state of emergency, by ordering all car factories to manufacture electric cars. Within a year, we can have almost all passenger cars run off electric power. 2. The president can sign an executive order to require all roofs have solar panels installed on them. He can also use federal funds to help home owners borrow money at low interests rates to get the panels installed. Those two things alone can bring down the carbon footprint significantly. Electric power would be abundant and clean and transportation would also be cheap and clean. Electric cars have many benefits over gas cars. http://www.teslamotors.com... Once America takes the lead and shows the world this technology works and is advantageous, other countries will sure follow. This is probably the only hope for saving the planet from global warming. We don't have time for politics and oil companies will fight electric cars with all their might. Declaring a state of emergency is the quickest and most efficient way to use existing technology to avoid irreversible damage to our atmosphere that causes climate change.

  • PRO

    This will not only kill people but also severely impact...

    Governments need to take radical action to combat climate change

    The governments of the world need to wake up to the reality of man made global warming which is leading to climate change. The planet is getting hotter every decade and this is leading to more radical and extreme weather patterns. This is and will continue to bring about more droughts, More flooding, More storms and more natural disasters. This will not only kill people but also severely impact economies and put our societies at grave risk. 97 percent of the scientific community and all scientific authorities support the theory of man-made climate change. Therefore we must trust our scientists and the overwhelming body of evidence and take action to reduce emissions. We can use more renweable energy, Ban certain exhaust fumes, Eventually ban diesel cars, Put into place taxes on carbon and have stricter environmental controls. This will help to reduce our cause of global warming and thus is a necessary and workable solution to this very grave threat. Good luck to my opponent.

  • PRO

    To conclude then, It has been duly proved throughout the...

    Picking boogers can help reverse climate change.

    To conclude then, It has been duly proved throughout the whole debate that picking boogers indeed has a positive impact on our environment, On a global scale even as there are 7 + billions with a b beautiful booger picking souls out there who do nothing but help improving the climate on planet earth every time a booger bites the dust. A booger picking man Said "I have a plan" If we all just join in There will be so much win Climate saving it can

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Picking-boogers-can-help-reverse-climate-change./1/
  • PRO

    To paraphrase George Orwell, Anthropogenic carbon dioxide...

    The climate is not "a changing".

    Reference - Watts up With That? The Logarithmic Effect of Carbon Dioxide. Extract - The natural heating effect of carbon dioxide is the blue bars and the IPCC projected anthropogenic effect is the red bars. Each 20 ppm increment above 280 ppm provides about 0. 03° C of naturally occurring warming and 0. 43° C of anthropogenic warming. That is a multiplier effect of over thirteen times. This is the leap of faith required to believe in global warming. The whole AGW belief system is based upon positive water vapour feedback starting from the pre-industrial level of 280 ppm and not before. To paraphrase George Orwell, Anthropogenic carbon dioxide molecules are more equal than the naturally occurring ones. Much, Much more equal. Co2 is irrelevant when considering global temperature. This is because the Earth doesn't act like a green house to begin with. The Earth is an open system which is not enclosed like a green house. Thus, Using the term 'green house' to describe climate is deceptive and misleading. The Earth is open system which can cool itself by using cold air from the Artic and Antarctic regions. Thus, The Earth acts like a thermostat and not like a green house. Thus, Even if CO2 did cause some increase in temperature, This would cause extra updraft which would cause extra cloud formation and suck in cold air from the artic or antarctic regions. Thus, The climate would be able to self regulate itself by shifting air currents and cloud formation. CO2's saturation is logarithmic and its temperature influence deminishes drastically with concentrations over 80ppm. Note - 50% of saturation occurs in the first 20ppm. Thus, Doubling CO2 does not double temperature. In fact, Temperature inreases after 80ppm are so small they are really not worth recording. But, That doesn't stop climate change scientists trying to drum up climate change hysteria by providing false information and shonky numbers. Quote - There are several islands that have just completely disappeared in Micronesia. Yeah, Maybe you are right. These islands exist on the Rim of Fire where islands come and go on a regular basis. This area is highly unstable and has regular earthquakes and land shifts. But, As my last post reference said "A new study of over 700 islands for decades shows that even though seas are rising faster than any time in the last million years, Somehow no islands with people on are shrinking. This means there are no climate change refugees from any vanishing island. Plus it"s more proof that highly adjusted satellite data is recording sea levels on some other planet. " Thus, I think you we can safely say that my opponents argument has been completely refuted.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/The-climate-is-not-a-changing-./1/
  • PRO

    If 97% of scientists said that The Earth is warming at an...

    97% of Climate Scientists Don't Actually Agree

    Just about every time a debate begins anywhere on the topic of climate change, you will hear the statistic "97% of climate scientists agree that global warming is caused my human induced pollution". Well, that settles it right? There is no way that 97% of climate scientists could all be wrong? Using this, we should all be able to agree that it is time to focus on climate change and accept that it is our fault and we can stop it right? Well, no. I've started this debate to clarify that the 97% statistic is very misleading and used for the wrong purposes. Let it be known to my opponent and voters that this is not a general climate change debate, but simply a debate on this number alone. Please remain on this topic. Now, let me start by talking about the primary topic of this debate, the 97% statistic. And you've probably heard this before, but what exactly do they agree on? If 97% of scientists said that The Earth is warming at an alarming and dangerous rate, then why question it, but my sources say that they say no more then point out a slight warming trend of about 0.8 degrees over the past century. So if this is the only statistic they all agree on, then how do you justify using this statistic to justify government funded organisations as big as the EPA or other environmental protection programs. you can't It has also been proven that in most cases of any percentage of 90+ in cases of climate change are almost always do to poor studies. For instance John Cook came up with a study in 2012 that stated "97% of scientists agree that the Earth is warming and human activity is the main cause" Well, it turns out that most of his papers never actually stated any such thing. He in fact created a category which he believed the prior statement was implied, but never stated, which we can all agree can be considered as malpractice. It also turns out that 3 scientists,Dr. Craig Idso, Dr. Nichola Scafetta, and Dr. Richard Tol, whose papers where included all said that there papers where never supposed to be used in any such way. So, based on my arguments, I believe it is safe to say that until an accurate study is conducted stating that climate scientists agree that Climate change is real and that humans are the primary cause we can not use any such statistic to convince the public to take unnecessary actions to resolve a problem that we know little about the magnitude and possible consequences of, not to mention the fact that they haven't even confirmed that there is even something we can do to stop it.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/97-of-Climate-Scientists-Dont-Actually-Agree/1/
  • PRO

    This is like comparing a incandescent light bulb to a CFL...

    Anthropogenic global climate change.

    Round four defense Outline. I. Scientific consensus. II. Co2 is unsaturated. III. Co2 increases heat thus evaporation. IV. Temperature is increasing. V. Science is a skeptic's viewpoint. VI. Sources I. Scientific consensus. Fact: The scientific consensus used very high standards including being based upon a consilience of evidence, social calibration, and social diversity. The climate scientists' findings were published in scholarly peer reviewed journals. Myth 1: The scientific consensus is an ad populum fallacy. Fallacy 1: The fallacy is the fallacy fallacy. People misuse fallacies all the time. Just because you say something, doesn't make it true. Wouldn't it be cool if you said "I am a millionaire" and it came true? "Scientific consensus What's the difference between most people believe X and scientific consensus which is, at the end of the day, most scientists believe X? Doesn't this make out scientists to be somehow superior to the rest of the population? There are two significant differences: Scientific consensus doesn't claim to be true, it claims to be our best understanding currently held by those who study the matter. Scientific claims for truth are always tentative rather than final, even if they are often very impressive tentative claims for truth. Scientific consensus is built upon a foundation of logic and systematic evidence - the scientific method - rather than popular prejudice. The consensus comes not from blindly agreeing with those in authority, but from having their claims to be thoroughly reviewed and criticised by their peers. (Note that even long-established scientific consensus can be overthrown by better logic and better evidence typically preceded by anomalous research findings.) " [17] Myth 2: The scientific consensus is groupthink. Fallacy 2: Misrepresentation, comparing past scientific consensus to present fails to take into account that today's standards are more robust than standards decades ago. This is like comparing a incandescent light bulb to a CFL (compact fluoride lamp) light bulb and claiming, the incandescent light bulb is an energy hog, therefore the CFL is an energy hog too. This is also jumping to conclusions. II. Co2 is unsaturated. Fact: Co2 is nowhere near saturation point. Co2 has been much higher in the past with much higher temperatures. Venus has much higher Co2 and has much higher temperatures. Myth: Co2 is saturated. Fallacy: Oversimplification. The height of which heat is escaping is rising. Meaning more heat is getting trapped in the lower atmosphere. Focusing solely on the air temperature absorption is missing the bigger picture that more air is getting warmed. The amount of heat escaping to space is decreasing. Think of your house, you can increase the heat by turning up the furnace or by better insulating your house. [18] Picture here: III. Co2 increases heat thus evaporation. Fact: Co2 increase greenhouse warming. More heat means higher evaporation rates due to molecules breaking surface tension easier when excited. Myth: There evaporation rate has not increased therefore heat has not increased. Fallacy: Cherry picking most likely. My opponent does not tell how he/she got the graph in figure three. Is this worldwide or over a single location? Some areas will become wetter while others drier due to changes in the climate. Since the vast majority of the Earth is Ocean, it is safe to say evaporation rates have increased. Again, my opponent's argument and graph is too vague for me to fully address. Another possibility is my opponent is measuring the ocean's height. In that case water that is warmer expands. My opponent is asking me to stab in the dark because he/she failed to make a clear argument. IV. Temperature is increasing. Fact: Temperature increasing is a well established fact. From direct measurements including weather stations to indirect measurements including Co2 rising, sea level rise, more heat waves and more intense heat waves, less hurricanes but stronger hurricanes, higher humidity, and many more indicators. Myth: Temperature is not increasing. Fallacy: Misrepresentation. First, figure 4 provides supporting evidence for my side of the debate. The overall trend is upwards. The problem with raw data without a trend line is it is difficult to detect the overall upwards trend in temperature. As anyone can see in figure 4 the highest temperature is past 2010. V. Science is a skeptic's viewpoint. Fact: Science is a skeptical point of view. Skepticism is the reason why there is the scientific method and peer review journals. Science is the polar opposite of blind faith. This is calling black white instead of black. Myth: Science is blind faith. Fallacy: Appeal to emotion fallacy comparing science to religion. The idea is to give the audience a cheap jolt and hope they remember the myth. VI. Sources 17. http://rationalwiki.org... 18. https://skepticalscience.com...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Anthropogenic-global-climate-change./2/

CON

  • CON

    I have provided many peer reviewed studies denying this...

    Taking a Stand Against Climate Change with Greener Technologies

    I would also like to thank my opponent for this debate. My opponent has admitted CO2 is not the chief cause in global warming, but that it has an effect. I have never denied CO2 has some effect, however I denied that it had a large one. My opponent has not negated this contention, and with it unrefuted it stands that the CO2 effect (and therefore the anthropogenic effect) is negligible, and taking a stand with green technologies would be a waste of money and effort. My opponent has also dropped my PDO argument, conceding that the natural factors cause at least ¾ of the current warming. This only leaves ¼ of the current warming for any man-made forcing, and as stated the sun correlates better with climate. Accepting the fact that sun spot length correlates extremely well with climate, and other forgings such as cosmic rays and our position in the galaxy hint we should be warming, it leaves a small percentage of the current warming for man-made causes [1]. With this in mind, and global warming mainly a natural cycle, my opponent has failed to meet the BOP and prove global warming is man made and should be stopped. 1. Global warming is real and is a threat My opponent has admitted that global warming does not exist. To be honest, I am confused by this statement. Is my opponent assuming global warming has stopped, or that it is mainly in the northern hemisphere? Regardless, it seems as though he has conceded that a global phenomena of global warming exists. I only partially agree. There was global warming in the 20th century, but the rate of warming has slowed and no warming has occurred since 1995 [1]. My opponent then continues saying he thinks warming will continue. This seems like a contradiction from his first point here. No matter, he has conceded multiple times the warming has stopped. So it seems illogical that it will keep increasing if it has already backtracked. My opponent finished by saying our data is biased. Yes, it is. The question, however, is whose bias is correct. I have given, in my opinion, a more compelling case that my bias is correct and my side on the correct side of history. Therefore, biased data is irrelevant, but whose bias is correct is relevant. And I hope the voters, and others reading, can see my bias is correct. My opponent has also dropped (and therefore conceded) that global warming does not cause hurricanes. I have provided many peer reviewed studies denying this effect, proving global warming is not a threat. My opponent has also conceded my point that global warming helps the human race (see round 1 and two). So even if warming is man-made (it is not) then why should we stop a beneficial force? 2. Global warming is anthropogenic My opponent starts with a NASA favorite: records breaking CO2 levels. However, when you look at the ice record, CO2 levels are at an all time low [1]. Interestingly, if we move the data back in time we see CO2 was breaking record in 1750 with 284 ppm, before human emissions where significant. From 1750 – 1875, CO2 rose 10 times faster ten anthropogenic CO2 emissions. It took humans 100 years to catch up with CO2 emissions (new emissions, not the total. We are less then 5% of the CO2 emissions in the atmosphere). The CO2 growth rate, although fast, is not “out of control” [2]. I would like to reiterate my sensitivity argument. Doubling CO2 would only increase temperatures by one degree Celsius. We have warmed .6 degrees Celsius (less using satellite data). We have only increased co2 35%. Therefore, CO2 likely had little effect on the current warming. Now to my opponents data: -- The first data set was irrelevant, it was before the date --The other data was far before the respected time period --Only your last data applied The last data Wikipedia cherry picked as I stated Pearson 2000 documented the carbon ppm 60 million years ago. It said ppm was actually 500 ppm, we agree, but “the oxygen isotope ratio has dropped (implying a rise in temperature) to zero, which is, of course, just the opposite of what one would expect from the "large and predictable effect" of CO2 on temperature that is commonly assumed.” Meaning carbon dropped but temperature rose. And the drop was substantial, showing co2 is not a strong climate driver [4]. My argument was that the spike near that time increased ppm to 3000, while temperature fell. The argument has been misinterpreted. We actually agree on the carbon count, but my opponent misses the point that there is no correlation between carbon and temperature. I tried to post this in round one; it didn't work. It is the same point (so I am not bringing up anything new here), it merely makes it visual. CO2 and Global Temp.? No correlation! And my opponent only speculates on the age of my data. If you read the source (round two, source 7) you see they used ice core data and tree ring proxies, still used in the climate debate and is a widely accepted proxy today. 3. Fighting the problem “We are not ready to drop non-renewable fossil fuels. The profit is greater, and the amount of energy produced from these fuels far exceeds renewable energy. Hopefully, that can change. If not for a hopefully cleaner planet, then simply for the fact that we are going to run out one day. However, we will continue to grow in our ability to produce cheaper sustainable energy.” – My opponent My opponent invests his whole argument in faith that it will improve. Although passive solar houses might be a good idea (for those off the grid), my opponents point will always fail: the sun isn’t always shining, the wind not always flowing, the water not always flowing, but the pumps will keep on drilling and the nuclear plants will keep on burning. Fossil fuels should last 200 years, nuclear another 100. These estimates keep growing because we keep discovering new oil every day, not to mention some sea exploration would likely add the oil count by hundreds of years. We really don’t seem to be running out of oil because we keep finding more. Either way, green energy is not a constant or reliable energy source. Fossil fuels and nuclear power is. Take that how you wish; facts vs the faith of my opponent. Conclusion: --Global warming is not man-made, stopping it would be pointless --Global warming is not harmful, and it is beneficial, why should we stop a good force? --Green energy is impractical --My opponent dropped (and therefore concedes as the truth) the: PDO, warming stopped, extinctions are not happening, the harm of global warming, droughts, and the fact that sea levels are not rising Reading the debate (I hope) and my conclusion, I believe the voters should see it logical to vote for CON. 1. MacRae, Paul. False Alarm: Global Warming-- Facts versus Fears. Victoria, B.C.: Spring Bay, 2010. Print. 2. http://wattsupwiththat.com... 3. http://en.wikipedia.org... 4. http://www.co2science.org...

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  • CON

    I accept the debate with full knowledge that my arguments...

    Climate change

    I accept the debate with full knowledge that my arguments will be completely disregarded and ignored by all voters because people on this website are all communist conspirators or completely brain dead nincompoops who believe all government propaganda.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change/10/
  • CON

    I accept.

    Climate change

    I accept.

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  • CON

    If government establish the economy as the main priority...

    The world should focus on climate change than on global economy!

    As a brief road map I will 1) Discuss the implications of the resolution, I will then 2) describe the global economic crisis and it's implications, then 3) I will discuss Franlinpoet's understandable concerns that he mentions above. Finally, I will end with an emotionless conclusion. Resolution reads, "The world should focus on climate change than on global economy." It's only safe to assume that this resolution is regarding now and not later and not forever. So the resolution is a call for action either for economic policies or environment policies to become the focus of the legislative groups of various nations. Thus it is not the job of either Franklinpoet or me to state that the economy or environment should always be the main focus. This debate is only focused on determining what governments should be focused primarily on in their upcoming legislative meetings. Should they begin the process of cooperating with scientists and cleaning our good, green Earth? OR Should they continue the process of repairing our damaged infrastructure and economies? And it is this valid question that begins our debate today. The Biding Shackles of the Economy " The global economy is in the worst shape since the dark days of 2009. Six of the 17 countries that use the euro currency are in recession. The U.S. economy is struggling again. And the economic superstars of the developing world — China, India and Brazil — are in no position to come to the rescue. They're slowing, too. " [1] 1) Europe is in a crisis in the status-quo, as illustrated through [2]: A) Spain. In the city Castilla La-Mancha sixty-nine percent of homes built in the last three years are still unsold. Their mega company Martinsa Fadesa declared bankruptcy at the dawn of the recession. Unemployment has risen by 425,000 people. Subsequently sales have fallen 9% and 18% with household goods. The Finance minister called it the worst national recession in a half century. B) Greece. Poor thing, their GDP is now 16% below the pre-crisis peak. 16% is astronomical. Their streets have been covered in riots. The political situation has been malicious and and has become literally violent. And with their wanting economy their carrying the rest of the Euro with them, this has a great effect on the entire continent. C) Portugal received the cold shoulder by Moody's investor when they knocked their rating from Aa2 to a dismal and greatly implicative A1. In 2011 the Prime Minister announced on television that the country had to take immediate steps due to the fact that their nation altogether was facing bankruptcy. D) Iceland. The government collapsed on January 27th, 2009. Enough said. The list goes on and on. The U.K., specifically Ireland, Italy, Germany, France, Denmark, were all hit very hard. The common denominator of all this is millions upon millions of people have lost their jobs. Once successful nations, like Iceland, have corroded within themselves. This is a global epidemic, as the same has happened in Asia. And this, this is happening right now. Not hypothetically tomorrow but visible through your window. Real. Factual. Tangible. 2) United States [3] The sucker that started it. I'm a huge fan of the Economist and a couple months ago they wrote a phenomanel analysis on America's situation. Basically, what it concluded is that America's middle-class is becoming swiftly non-existent. The reason being is they have abandoned their innovative, manufacturing roots. It has been dispersed to other nations, or other nations picked up the torch on such things like innovation (China, Japan.) The 2008 crisis only worsened the situation by making the dwindling of the middle class even more expediate. Without a middle class the economy of the United States is in big trouble. And the way global economy is set, intrinsically, places America as the influencer, hence why America started the Great Recession and it spread like a wild-fire to the rest of the world. If this problem is not fixed with a sense urgency then this Recession has no end in sight. [2] The middles class must be buffered if this recession is to have an end in sight. " In today's interconnected world, we can no longer afford to look only at what goes on within our national borders," IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde said earlier this month. "This crisis does not recognize borders. This crisis is knocking at all our doors. If government establish the economy as the main priority then you solve for re-establishing innovation and infrastructure because with a healthy economy--healthy investment is inevitable. Investment pays for the scientist's job who is trying to stop the ambiguously quantified climate change problem. You solve for the economy then you easily solve back for the environment. The Franklinpoet Concerns The first thing I would like to mention is that there is still debates among people much more qualified than us on whether people are actually the cause of climate change. If we aren't then Franklinpoet has no solvency. So there's already uncertainty to his solvency with that matter. The second thing I would like to discuss is that Franklinpoet attempts to answer back for the economic crisis with his Zimbabwe analysis. Well actually he doesn't even solve for it, he just states if global warming happened in Zimbabwe then the economy would get even worse. So there is actually no solvency for the economy in Franklinpoet's paradigm, he just attempts to solve for one thing which probably won't happen hundreds of years from now, if that. But his plan is not comprehensive at all to the world's comprehensive problems. The third issue I would like to discuss, is who exactly is the enforcement in Franklinpoet's advocacy? I hope it's not government, as that process of cleaning the Earth, through gov., would be slowed down with so much red tape, it would be completely futile. So inevitably Franklinpoet's enforcement would be the scientists from the private sector. How's that private sector doing in today's economy? If you want to seriously combat the ambiguously quantified climate-change, then you need a lot of money and power, especially since you'd have to combat nations like China, who wants nothing to do with greenness. Right now, though, there is not alot of excess money to be had. Franklinpoet's advocacy is genuine and good and completely understandable but it's slightly putting the cart before the horse. In other words, you wouldn't try to cure a dog of cancer when it's choking on a bone. To warrant my claim here are the numbers, " Only 14% of those with a PhD in biology or the life sciences can find an academic post within 5 yrs. Pharmcos also have been consolidated and jobs slashed—a 300,000 job “bloodbath,” as described by one expert. Just 38% of new PhD chemists are employed. If you want to fix the environment, then give them more man and financial power, and that starts with curing the financial landscape. The harms of climate change that Franklinpoet lists are slightly entertaining because they are 1) homelessness, 2)Poverty, 3)Unemployment, 4)Private sector downfall. My advocacy solves for these harms, granted governments make the right choices when they do focus on the economy, but these are the exact harms that are occurring right now, in today's world by the global economic crisis. Conclusion So it comes down to this: Franklinpoet: Start working on the environment because if not, it could be devastating to economies, time period unknown. Bruce: Keeping working on economic solutions because our economies are currently going through devastation, and a healthier investment basis solves back for the environment. [1]http://www.google.com... [2]http://en.wikipedia.org... [3]http://hopeycopey.blogspot.com... *Blob, yes, numbers legit, albeit. I observed the same numbers from multiple sources.*

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/The-world-should-focus-on-climate-change-than-on-global-economy/1/
  • CON

    This is a much deeper topic and, i'll say again, this is...

    Manmade global climate change is real and a threat.

    This is a much deeper topic and, i'll say again, this is a scientific debates. Just because politicians have used it to pick sides, doesn't mean it has to be political. I don't feel you've sufficiently countered my points and I'll go a step further. I've found a nice article showing that it's a much deeper issue than what you have alluded to and there is plenty of evidence that, while we are increasing CO2 in the atmosphere, you're idea of threat does not have enough to stand on. http://www.americantraditions.org...(CO2)%20Does%20Not%20Cause%20Global%20Warming.htm

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Manmade-global-climate-change-is-real-and-a-threat./5/
  • CON

    However, where I disagree is the threat. ... However, we...

    Manmade global climate change is real and a threat.

    I will agree that humans have had a measurable (not stating how measurable) effect on the Earth. However, where I disagree However, where I disagree is the threat. The Earth has been SIGNFICANTLY hotter in the past (and more dynamic for that matter), see http://www.wrsc.org.... Do I think being "more green" is helpful, sure. However, we are not destroying the planet to the degree the stated "documentary" says. Rather than an inconvenient truth, an inaccurate partial-truth. Let's look at what's happened in the 10 years since this mess was released. http://dailycaller.com... sums it up VERY well.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Manmade-global-climate-change-is-real-and-a-threat./5/
  • CON

    Second of all, in Round 2 you tried to disregard my...

    Manmade global climate change is real and a threat.

    First of all, what scientists say dis irrelevant, scientists used to think that the earth is flat, and even today they are telling us that GMO's are safe, even though foreign scientists have proven time and time againthat they are in fact not safe. Yet, this is the general concensus. Second of all, in Round 2 you tried to disregard my citation that global tempartures are in fact dropping because "newsmax is a conservative news site," as if someone being a conservative automatically discredits them. So this is prettty much just an ad-hominim attack. I could say that because all your citations are highly liberal that they are false. Either way, you claim that CO2 levels are increasing, which is true, and that tempartures are increasing, which is partialy true. But you are yet to prove that these temparture increases are caused by CO2 emmissions. I could say that since 1700 the number of Pirates on the high seas have decreased while global warming has increased, therefor pirates reduce the global temparture. Also do the math, if 3.25% of CO2 emmissions are man made, and 0.04% of ouratmosphere is CO2, {1} then the global temparture can only increase by 0.0013% as a result of CO2 emmissions. Mathmatically speaking, it makes no sense that such a small influence on the atmosphere can cause gobal warming. And look at this graph: It looks like the tempartures are increasing t a rapid rate, but if you accountfor the highest temparture anomaly we have is less than 1 degree celcius, and that it has developed over 76 years, then the idea of global warming being a threat to humanity is shewn to be completely absurd. {1}. https://en.wikipedia.org...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Manmade-global-climate-change-is-real-and-a-threat./6/
  • CON

    Tempartures are dropping: http://www.newsmax.com... How...

    Manmade global climate change is real and a threat.

    Tempartures are dropping: http://www.newsmax.com... How can the world be heating up if it is warming up? And why is Antartic Sea Ice growing? https://www.nasa.gov...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Manmade-global-climate-change-is-real-and-a-threat./6/
  • CON

    Global Temparture and solar activity: And here is manmade...

    Manmade global climate change is real and a threat.

    Global Temparture and solar activity: And here is manmade co2 emmissions compared to natural co2 emmissions: CO2 emmissions are a byproduct of capitalism, which creates wealth and a higher quality of living for people around the globe, co2 emmissions also create more plantlife. So by arguing for reduced co2 emmissions my opponent is arguing for global poverty and deforestation.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Manmade-global-climate-change-is-real-and-a-threat./6/
  • CON

    But as for the rest of my argument i believe you, you are...

    Climate change is both real and a serious issue

    As I finished writing and submitted my argument i later realized the exact point about the polar caps that you mentioned, and i concede that your right about that, but i still stand firm in my point that the polar caps aren't melting in fact they are growing and my evidence is in the link in my last post. But as for the rest of my argument i believe you, you are right and as I read your points i re read my sources and realized that they don't quite say what i wanted them to. i also cannot find any actual evidence that humans aren't the cause, so I concede, Good work Pro i enjoyed the debate and im sorry i cant finish it, i simply see your side now and cant find evidence against it. Im sure others could argue this into the ground but i dont see the point. Good Job, i would like to b=debate with you more later preferably a different topic. Good Job, You Win

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-both-real-and-a-serious-issue/1/