• PRO

    In most schools there are the students with too short of...

    School Uniforms are a good idea

    I would first like to thank Con for accepting and would like to say I look forward to this debate. Rebuttals: 1.In your argument you say "When buying uniforms for the school, you cannot assume that one size fits all." I understand that students come in all shapes and sizes and I don't think schools purchase one size of a uniform and expect everyone to fit in them. Most schools may go with sizing each individual student and buying a specific uniform for each child but in some schools they just have the children wear khaki pants and a specific color polo or cardigan. If schools enforced uniforms and had kids wear khaki pants and a specific color polo it shouldn't be too hard to find their size. Students wear clothes like t-shirts and jeans outside of school and can find sizes, so sizes for such uniforms would be similar. It would actually be better if schools required students to wear a specific uniform of their choosing and have the students measured and given uniforms because the clothes would fit properly. In most schools there are the students with too short of skirts or too tight of shirts, pants etc.. if they were measured at school, they would be given clothing that would fit them properly. Schools also don't necessarily pay for uniforms, in most cases parents buy the uniform for their child and this is no more of a cost than it would be if the parent was buying clothes for their student in a department store, i would probably even be cheaper because they could buy less uniforms than they would buy outfits and just wash them more frequently and a uniform is probably less expensive than brand name clothing that children think they "have to have" 2. Students can still be unique, they can express themselves through the activities they do like sports, music, art, other hobbies or they can accessorize with jewelry in some cases. Just because a student wears a uniform doesn't make them the same as everyone else. Hair styles can be different and personality of every student is different, so by wearing the same shirt it isn't going to stifle a child's opinion or personality. Also students can wear what they choose on the weekends it isn't like they are never able to wear an outfit of their choosing. 3. "Having these uniforms is pretty much censoring the real world from them" What is it censoring the children from? Uniforms would decrease the amount of bullying cases. Yes, bullying is a part of the real world but it is something that doesn't need to be. With uniforms students will learn to not judge others on appearance and to make friends based on personality and character instead. The uniforms aren't censoring the students from the news or real world issues. Arguments: Uniforms will put more focus on school and less focus on the what other students have and what they don't Uniforms will diminish peer pressure in regards to having certain brands Uniforms will allow students to get ready for school faster

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  • CON

    REFUTATIONS "1st.School uniforms should be banned because...

    School uniforms should be banned.

    REFUTATIONS "1st.School uniforms should be banned because children and teens would like creativity in there lives that includes when they dress for school" False. You fail to meet your BoP, you can't prove that children and teens like creativity. In fact, various students despise art class, one of the main classes for creativity. People even write blogs about how they hate art school. [1] This is already rpoof not everyone likes creativity. Also, barely anyone even expresses their creativity through clothing, except for cosplaying of course. If they did express it through clothing, they are ignorant snobs. Some people can't afford "good" clothing, does that mean they can't express themselves? Of course not. Clothing is one of the few ways people express themselves, and people barely even do it through that. There are thousands of other much more effective ways to express oneself. Also, killing people is a way for people to expres their creativity, does that mean we should make it legal? No! Sexual assault and assasination is a creative thing, do we make those things legal? Once again no. "Is it illegal for a student to dress freely.I know all about uniforms and yes it preven6ts alot of mishaps but i t restrains individuality." In some cases, it is illegal. For example, you can't go to school in nothing but a bikini. Uniforms do infact prevent mishaps, and innapropriate clothing. "Do you want to wear the same thing everyday?" I honestly wouldn't care. Either way, this isn't a valid reason to ban uniforms. "Bullies will still call you names regardless of the shirt or pants and the #1 rule is dont care about what they say" A large portion of bullying is due to appearance, this includes clothing. More than half of school girls get bullied due to appearance. [2]. Having uniforms, of course we don't stop bullying, but we diminish it. -------------- So far, there are no valid reasons to which why school uniforms should be banned.

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  • PRO

    2.School uniforms may lower the cases of bullying within...

    School Uniforms are a good idea

    This debate is going to be about School Uniforms. I will take the Pro side and argue that Uniforms are a good idea. This is a 5 round debate with max amount of characters. This first round is NOT for acceptance, lets just jump into the argument. My arguments: 1.School Uniforms give children a sense of unity with other students because they all are wearing the same clothes and representing the same school. 2.School uniforms may lower the cases of bullying within schools. In many cases kids are picked on because of the clothes they wear, how they look, or in some cases the materialistic belongings they may or may not have. If all students wear the same thing it would be very hard almost impossible to make fun of someone who is wearing the same thing as you. 3.In lower income communities uniforms could be a good idea because parents wouldn't have to worry about buying brand name clothing for their children and children wouldn't feel pressured to have brand name items to fit in because everyone would have the same clothing as they did. 4. It would diminish peer pressure in regards to having certain brands and would encourage unity. 5. It would allow students to get ready for school faster in the morning because they don't have to worry about what they have to wear. 6. Puts more focus on school work, kids don't have to worry about being trendy, or fashionable or envy the child next to them that has the new popular sneaker they can focus in class on school work and not other distractions such as peers clothing or belongings. Sources:PBS http://www.pbs.org... In advance I'd like to thank whomever my opponent may be for accepting my debate:)

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  • CON

    Ok, people tell me that public schools should have...

    School Uniforms

    Ok, people tell me that public schools should have schoolwide uniforms, and I was wondering why. I would like to see if someone can convince me that they would actually help a school teach people, as that is their job.

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  • CON

    Ok say you have the son of an oil tycoon and the son of a...

    School Uniforms benefit schools

    "In what way does the individuality of the student benefit the school?" It helps studeents express themselves and be more creative. "Uniforms cost far less than normal clothes and there are back to school sales at the end of every summer." But students need two sets of clothes, school clothes and regular clothes, making the ost much more. "Uniforms are cheap. A lower class parent(as you would call them) would be far more likely to opt to send his/her child to a school in which uniforms must be worn as it would save him/her from having to provide different clothes for the 5 days of the week." Assuming someone buys their uniform at Macy's (We will use a standard uniform, A polo shirt with a belt and dress pants) Here are the respective costs. Polo shirt - $9.60 (http://www1.macys.com...) Dress pants - $20.00 (http://www1.macys.com...) Belt - $12.98 (http://www1.macys.com...) TOTAL COST $42.58 Compared to jeans and a t-shirt Jeans- $19.98 (http://www1.macys.com...) T-shirt - $7.99 (http://www1.macys.com...) TOTAL COST $27.97 Uniforms cost more than other clothes. "It would also spare the child the embarassment of wearing the same old tattered clothes to school everyday clearly identifying him/her as poor. Not that this is anything to be ashamed of, but kids are cruel." Uniforms get tattered, and cost more to replace than regular clothes. "What? How? I'd have said the exact opposite. Ok say you have the son of an oil tycoon and the son of a poor man attending the same school in which uniforms must be worn. Does the uniform not show them that no matter where they came from that they're all the same?" It teaches kids to judge people based on how they look. That they all have too look the same in order to be equal. Now to adress your argument "Uniforms take away worries like "what am I going to wear tomorrow" which allows more time for study and organisation." This issue can be resolved in 10 minutes, even for the pickiest of dressers. Uniforms also take more time to get into wasting time in the morning and after physical education. "They hide the figures of girls far better than what they would usually wear which allows the likes of me to stay concentrated on my studies." I am going to steal two figures from another debate on the same subject. Fig. 1.1 http://img355.imageshack.us... Polo shirts show off a girl'surves, and can be very sexy. Fig 1.2 http://img240.imageshack.us... T-shirts are unappealing. "In a school with uniforms any outsiders entering the school would stand out allowing for security to pick up on them a lot easier." Outsiders always stand out, they are adults. Also, school ID's fix this probem easily.

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  • CON

    maybe the dress code could be enforced like belts pants...

    school uniforms

    yes. maybe the dress code could be enforced like belts pants that have to be above there knees and shirts to be covering more body. its just that maybe the dress code could be enforced like belts pants that have to be above there knees and shirts to be covering more body. its just that uniforms are a little much for a public school.

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  • PRO

    Now they're trying to get us to look alike, too 3) There...

    School Uniforms are unnecessary

    School uniforms are unnecessary because: 1) How does school uniform help school officials to recognize students faster? In any ways, it would make it harder because school uniforms look the same and it would be harder to differentiate one student from another. 2) Schools these days are encouraging an appreciation of diversity. Teachers decide to teach us about people like Rosa Parks, Susan B. Anthony, Booker T. Washington etc... We learn about people who expressed themselves and we can't even express ourselves in the hallways. Don't schools do enough damage, making all us students think alike? Now they're trying to get us to look alike, too 3) There is evidence that school uniforms increase violent attacks and lower academic achievement, however there is none that suggests school uniform benefits the students at all. 4) Also. if there was a stalker/paedophile and he /she saw pictures of a student in their school uniform, they would know where the person went to school, thus leading to other circumstances.

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  • PRO

    Rebuttal: The article you provide about uniform rebellion...

    School Uniforms are a good idea

    Supporting my arguments: 1.I don't think there are too many cases where kids are coming in with clothes as dirty as your first example. I do not doubt that students have dirty clothes like the example you give but I know that if a student were to come into school everyday in pants that looked like those that their home life would be investigated because allowing your child to live like that is a form of neglect, and if that was the case than that child would be helped out. Your argument does not view school uniforms as a whole, you are focusing only on a specific economical group of people. 2. A lot of students don't like school, just like some adults don't like their job, but the uniform encourages discipline and responsibility. The uniform may not make the child enjoy school but it will teach them to take school seriously and focus on their education while they are there, to make them feel like school is their job. 3. The California school mentioned in the article I presented was not a private school, though you have a point with the private schools the article I presented and the information I gave was based on a public school in California. That school was one of the first to enforce uniforms in a public school and they tie good attendance and good grades to some extent due to the uniforms. Also that school adopted that policy in 1994 but the article and the mother voicing her opinion in the article is from 2006 which is a little bit more current. Rebuttal: The article you provide about uniform rebellion does not seem like a very large rebellion, I the article it says "If administration would be more lenient with the uniform, students would not rebel. Junior, Stephanie Pi�a said, "If they let us wear t-shirts, or any type of pants that we want as long as it is out uniform color, it'll be so much better." Since that is not the case, it is easier to follow the rules than to deal with the consequences." It says that it is easier to follow the rules than deal with the consequences which means the girls mentioned in the article that were rebelling eventually succumbed to the uniform rules. Also in the article it seems like the Assistant principal had the rebellion under control by giving detentions to those that did violate and those that didn't go to detention had to pay for that the next year. This rebellion did not get out of control and according to the article it seems like most students learned to follow the uniform policy in the end. Every school whether they have uniforms or not has a dress code and in schools with NO uniforms I am sure there are more violations than in schools with uniforms. Kids wear baggy pants everyday and I know especially in the summer skinny strapped shirts, too short of shorts, and flip flops are worn which violate many schools dress codes. With uniforms a large amount of dress code violations are eliminated. My conclusions: School Uniforms are a good idea for both private and public schools. 1.They diminish distinctions of economic status of students families which would encourage unity in schools and would encourage students to make friends based on personality and character rather than appearance or material belongings. 2.they spare kids and their parents the ordeal of picking out clothes each morning and washing them 3. they prevent students from getting picked on based on the clothes they wear 4.Save money because they are not as highly priced as certain brand name clothes, children's regular clothes don't get as worn so they don't have to keep buying them clothes, You don't necessarily have to buy 5 uniforms you could buy less and just wash them 5.Uniforms prepare children for working life, they make them focus more on learning and the real reason they attend school. They encourage discipline and responsibility and teach kids to follow certain guidelines. 6. Administrators don't need to worry as heavily about students following dress code. Uniforms eliminate the issue of some students who often violate the dress code. Most students will wear the uniform appropriately diminishing the massive amounts of ties teachers and administrators have to address students about taking off a hat or pulling up their pants or sending them to the office because of their outfit. I have supported my arguments in each round and I believe I have produced a very convincing argument against Con. I would like to thank Con for a great argument and I can't wait to read his conclusions.

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  • CON

    This was a school project, and I didn't expect someone to...

    School Uniforms

    I meant less confident, and I don't like the way you responded to that, Keep it friendly or I will report it. I don't really know how to use this website. I don't really debate. This was a school project, and I didn't expect someone to debate back, but I will keep going. For two, In this generation people tend to pay attention to what the opposite sex is wearing. (Leggings, Snap backs) It's just how school works. For three, weekends are two days out of seven. There is barely any time to wear your own clothes. Parents would have to buy the uniforms instead of buying clothes that their kids actually want. You will loose your individuality. At our school, friends tend to wear similar things that way people will know that they are in their friend group. Bullies would just find something else to bully about. (Hair, acne, shoes etc.) And, no. Kids don't get used to them. Waking up and wearing the same thing every day? I've been wearing them for years, and I am still not used to them. Do you have experience with them? Everyone at my This was a school project, and I didn't expect someone to debate back, but I will keep going. For two, In this generation people tend to pay attention to what the opposite sex is wearing. (Leggings, Snap backs) It's just how school works. For three, weekends are two days out of seven. There is barely any time to wear your own clothes. Parents would have to buy the uniforms instead of buying clothes that their kids actually want. You will loose your individuality. At our school, friends tend to wear similar things that way people will know that they are in their friend group. Bullies would just find something else to bully about. (Hair, acne, shoes etc.) And, no. Kids don't get used to them. Waking up and wearing the same thing every day? I've been wearing them for years, and I am still not used to them. Do you have experience with them? Everyone at my school hates them, and that's about 600 people. Also, I do actually know the difference between school uniforms and dress codes. You don't know me. Don't push it. It makes you more self conscious because you would hate what your wearing. Even if people are wearing the same thing. If you don't like the look on you, you automatically hate it, even if others are wearing it. The parents would complain about the uniform, because the kids would complain to their parents and some of the parents would want to talk to the office about it, and possibly get into a disagreement or a fight. Yes, they do draw more attention to yourself. Seeing yourself in the mirror wearing something you hate everyday. People want to express themselves, School uniforms will result to an overdose of makeup. Buying expensive shoes, and possibly tattoos or piercings. I don't think you are reading my debates carefully. You keep bringing up the same point, which makes your argument a weak one.

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  • CON

    You may argue that wearing uniforms may destroy...

    School Uniforms Should not be Required

    I apologize profusely for forfeiting. That was unacceptable behavior, although it's true I did not have enough time. Rebuttal to your Rebuttal "...hours of decisions of what to wear." This is not actually an exaggeration (1) because research shows that, on average, most women spend nearly one year trying to decide what to wear. If parents help children decide what to wear, then the parents will also be wasting their time, and uniforms will benefit both parents and children. "...Clothes can often be used to define social statuses..." You agree that North Face can make you seem richer than others, and it is sometimes true that people wear different clothes to school (2). An experiment shows that people are more influenced by people who wear "cool" clothes. "people will have to rely on personality rather than the outfit they are wearing." You may argue that wearing uniforms may destroy individuality, but on the other hand, uniforms may make people behave better because they no longer have to depend on clothes. "High social status", which is popularity, probably consists of people with cute clothes and "low social status" will be made up of people with less pretty clothes. Poor people may be able to afford the school uniform because uniforms are a lot cheaper than normal clothes. (3) Uniforms cost nearly twice as less as normal clothes and, therefore, poor people can go to school just like others and not be worried about having bad clothes. " I said uniforms do not really affect how bullies harm kids and a person's normal clothing does not affect a bully's insults either." Therefore, as you said so yourself, uniforms will not have a negative impact either. And according to my argument, uniforms will have a positive effect. Uniforms do not go against the US constitutional beliefs of freedom of expression because most people actually like to wear them. Usually, most people like me will not have any problems wearing uniforms. Also, parents will like uniforms too, and the parents of the majority will overpower to minors and uniforms will be appreciated. Good job, pro! I apologize once again for forfeiting. Sources (1) http://www.telegraph.co.uk... (2) http://jrscience.wcp.muohio.edu... (3) http://www.examiner.com...

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