• CON

    The $2050 clothes would only be worn on weekends, so they...

    School uniforms should be banned

    Schools are a place of learning Schools are for education. You go there, you learn, you come home. You do not need the newest Jordan's and LAX 2 JFK to be successful in school. Uniforms do not impair on leaning. With the newest trends and how they look out of mind, students can focus on what matters: school. Uniforms are cheaper A new pair of Jordan's are 205 dollars. An LAX 2 JFK shirt is 35 dollars. Research has found that teenagers spend on average 21% of their earning on clothes[1] and $40 a week on clothes[2], most of this money coming from their parents[1]. If these teens had to wear uniforms then the money spent on clothes would be much less and remove a lot of the strain from the pockets of both them and their parents. The $2050 clothes would only be worn on weekends, so they wouldn't need a new outfit for everyday of the month[3]. The average cost for uniforms annually is about $249[4]. This is a significant difference. Though people complain about the price of uniforms, it's not too bad. You can also wear your uniform from the year prior if it still fits which saves you another $249. Uniforms prepare students for the real world Whereas dress codes are pretty relaxed allowing students to wear t-shirts, blue jeans and trainers, school uniforms prepare students for the real world. When you're an adult when you go to work you are wearing very close to how you're dressed in uniforms. It's dress shoes, khakis and dress shirts unless it's Friday. Schools are there to prepare children for the real world, what's a better way then giving them a dose of reality by putting them in monkey suits all day. That way they won't arrive to the office constantly adjusting their collar and scratching their pants. They would have had years of conditioning for it and would automatically know what to wear, what goes with what, how to tie a tie etc.. Uniforms can be individual If you're desperate to be different than you can with creative ways to express your individuality. You can use scarves, lipticks, cool backpacks, hair dyes, hair does and countless other ways to make you stand out and be individual. The thing about school uniforms though is the choice. if you don't want to be different of bullied simply don't. When you choose your own clothes if you don't have an eye for fashion, don't have a bunch of money to put into expensive clothes or you have to wear hand me down there's no way to hide that. With uniforms if you want to blend in simply keep your hair normal and that's it, they have nothing to tease you on. Don't believe appearance is even a factor? Nearly half of girls get bullied because of it[5]. School uniforms encourage unity School uniforms make students feel a sense of school pride being apart of a group of people dressed the same[6]. This feeling of unity can make people feel less excluded if they usually aren't part of a crowd and bring schools together. It's like a pep rally in every class. Citation [1]http://www.businessinsider.com... [2]http://teens.lovetoknow.com... [3]http://www.forbes.com... [4]http://www.statisticbrain.com... [5]http://www.dailymail.co.uk... [6]http://archive.northjersey.com...

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  • PRO

    Now then, We should not have school uniforms for the...

    Against School Uniforms

    Well it would seem you have forfeited the round for an unknown reason. I will present my arguments. Because you are con and your title states "Against School Uniforms" that would mean you are against, not having school uniforms. Meaning you are for school uniforms. I am not sure if you purposely did this, but for future reference, remember that Pro means you agree with the title of the debate and Con means you disagree with the title of the debate. Now then, We should not have school uniforms for the following reasons: 1. "Uniforms violate the student's freedom of speech and expression." You are restricting the student's way of expressing themselves which can keep them from sharing themselves and who they are with other people. 2. "Cost too much for families who already struggle to make ends meet." This is a problem for families who would otherwise have their children wear clothes that are cheaper than the school uniform itself. Sometimes every dollar counts for families who already struggle to keep their children in school. 3."Emphasize conformity, not individuality, and do not allow students to develop their identity." Not everyone is the same, nor does everyone want to be. People want to be their own person! Uniforms restrict students showing their own individuality. 4."Hide warning signs that point to problems. Often the way a child dresses can indicate the way he is feeling. Uniforms eliminate these red flags." This is self-explanatory. 5. "Fail to allow students to learn to make good choices based on their own values." Children need to make their own choices and learn from their mistakes. Giving everyone a uniform does not teach them what is appropriate to wear in circumstances and what is not. Children need to learn themselves what is appropriate and what is not. Giving them the right to wear their own clothes will allow them to test these boundaries and see what works and what doesn't.

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  • PRO

    I do agree that uniforms should not be required in public...

    school uniforms

    I do agree that uniforms should not be required in public schools, but with the youth as it is today, more strict dress codes are needed to disallow some of the trends in schools today. There is no reason why a 16 year old girl needs to show off her chest or have her butt hanging out of her jeans. The same goes for guys that wear their pants low enough that their boxers are barely inside of their pants. If kids today don't start cleaning up their looks, school uniforms are going to be enforced and people are going to have to front the money for them.

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  • PRO

    Opposing Viewpoints in Context.Web. ... Good luck making...

    School Uniforms Should not be Required

    you were supposed to just accept the debate. Oh well, I'll guess I'll have a head-start as well. 1....focus on their school work as opposed to what type of clothes they wear, you say?? Well, in the adult world students have to make their own choices and school uniforms exclude that, as shown in "Brosnan, Peter, and Alexis Brindley. "What Not to Wear: A School's Dress Code Limits Clothing Styles and Colors." Current Events, a Weekly Reader Publication 28 Mar. 2011: 7. Opposing Viewpoints in Context.Web. 10 Feb.2014." 2. ...same level as socioeconomic status is not apparent from the uniforms ...which is exactly why school uniforms send out a sense of anti-individuality that goes against our personal liberty and freedom of expression. A nation that believes in this kind of thing should not go against it. It would not really matter if this was not in the constitution in the first place, but seriously--the constitution is the basic belief of America, and breaking it is a big blunder! the author of " Fetzer, Kent J. "School Uniforms Stifle Freedom of Expression." Salt Lake Tribune [Detroit] 18 Apr. 2002: F2. Opposing Viewpoints in Context.Web. 10 Feb.2014." clearly agrees. 3. Removes the status symbol associated with flashy clothes...arguably nobody can display how high their status are with school uniforms, a clear down side. 4. Bring a sense of uniformity & unity among pupils...Perhaps it is too much of a unity, almost like robots! As shown in "Dolan, Maura. "CALIFORNIA; Court Rejects School's Shirts; Judges Say Requiring Students to Wear the School's Motto Is a Free-Speech Violation." Los Angeles Times [Los Angeles] 15 Feb. 2014: AA3. Elibrary. Web. 21 Feb. 2014." The parent openly disagrees, stating "I believe we should...advance independent, creative thinkers -- not standardized, uniformed thinkers." Frudden said. "To do anything less is to do our children and our society a disservice." 6. Save parents money...As shown from "Brosnan, Peter, and Alexis Brindley. "What Not to Wear:... Styles and Colors." Current Events, a Weekly Reader Publication.", parents are unsatisfied with the school uniform prices, indicating that school uniforms don't exactly save parents money. They would not complain if the school uniforms actually saved money! 7. Uniforms also enable students to get ready for school faster...again, very arguable. Students could change clothes at night and go to school at the same pace of another student who has a school uniform. 8. Uniforms enable students to self express....NO, they do NOT! As I said before, the uniform sends messages of anti-individuality, the exact opposite of expressing one-self! In addition, emblems are heavily disdained, as shown in "Dolan, Maura. "CALIFORNIA; Court... Violation." Los Angeles Times [Los Angeles]." and 9. Enable children to make friends... instead of what you wear....You have given no evidence that children base other children on what they wear. 10. ...uniforms reduces bullying...A person's clothes really have nothing to do what goes on. If someone isn't very smart or physically capable they will still get bullied regardless of the fact that they look the same as everyone else. Good luck making your rebuttal!

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  • PRO

    One of the best portals for students to express...

    School Uniforms, on Balance, are Beneficial

    Introduction and Important Procedural Matters Thanks for a good constructive speech, I had a lot of fun reading it. I'd first like to say, before any major rebuttals on my opponent's case, this is my burden of proof (I thought it would be obvious but I have to explain what it is, since my opponent has declared what my BoP is, when I am the only one with the right to do so): Enactment of school uniforms have more benefits than harms (hence "on balance"), by use of statistics or logical syllogisms (or otherwise direct evidence) School uniforms solve more problems than they produce (kind of like on balance, but kind of different) This is what my opponent has to prove in order to meet their burden of proof: Enactment of school uniforms have more harms than benefits (hence "on blance"), by use of statistics or logical syllogisms (or otherwise direct evidence) School uniforms produce more problems than they solve (kind of like on balance, but kind of different). We have the same kind of BoP, just inverses of each other. Thanks for letting me clarify this aspect, didn't know it was so important. ----- Rebuttals: (I will italicize my opponent's argument and then use normal formatting for how I respond) "[uniforms are] brutally overpriced for their quality." I have evidence that is in direct refutation with this. In my 3rd contention, labelled "Low Cost", I prove that there is at least one school uniform manufacturer that has very low prices for high quality uniforms (roughly $45 a year per student per uniform) (this is from French Toast (again, awesome name)). I also have a source from 2013 that said that 77% of school leaders believe that the annual cost per student is going to be under $150 a year, replacements included. Like most things, there is going to be one kind of "eletist" competitor in the market (just look at iPhone's at their relatively high cost), and I think that TrueGrits is this very thing. "One of the best portals for students to express themselves is clothing." I'd have to argue that writing is the one of the best portals for creativity, but I understand what you are trying to convey. People in most public schools that have school uniforms would still have the ability to express themselves, whether it be by wearing their hair differently than normal, wearing a bow, wearing armbands, or something related. The right to express oneself remains intact, thus this point is negated. "Heck, even If a student is a serial killer, he can wear a creepy mask" Not sure many schools are open to serial killers. Do you have a source to back this up? (sarcasm) "[freedom of expression is] something that everybody has somewhat of a right to" I have sufficiently proved that the freedom to express themselves remains intact, so this isn't a valid argument. Also, saying "somewhat" kind of diminishes that impact, since you are saying that nobody has the absolute, inalienable right to express themselves. "the Supreme court ruled in favor of school uniforms" Concession? Having the Supreme Court vote in your favor probably means you are correct in the modern-era. Even if this was just a simple typo, the Supreme Court released the following comment when they voted in Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District: “[schools have the right to establish rules which regulate] the length of skirts or the type of clothing, to hair style,…[or] aggressive, disruptive action or even group demonstrations.” (quote found here: http://www.infoplease.com...) "First of all, this piece of evidence is a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc" Not true. If the city made no Ordinances in that time that reduced the instances of rape or violence, then we can obviously see that this is attributed to school uniforms. I get where you are coming from, but that's not true since the city didn't do anything crime-wise during that time really, just implemented school uniforms. "The second part of this argument is that the study itself quotes "it is not clear that these results are entirely attributable to the uniform policy"." Most likely not entirely attributable, but pretty darn attributable. There are variables, sure, but none that can impact crime as much as school uniforms. "further disproving much of the common proponent case." My point remains intact, since you have not really proven that school uniforms are not the cause of this sudden drop in crime in the area. ----- Closing Remarks: I am winning this round because: I have maintained my BoP with proper use of statistics and logical syllogisms I have proved that school uniforms are beneficial on balance I have successfully refuted my opponent's case, thus forcing ourselves to vote in affirmation due to no valid points on his side My opponent has not successfully proved that school uniforms are not beneficial, thus not holding up his part of the BoP. (I stated in R1 that both sides have the BoP, so he should have tried to uphold his BoP) I have used more credible sources than my opponent. Looking forward to your rebuttals

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  • CON

    Rebuttal to evidence post 2: That is just one person's...

    School Uniforms

    Just because something is common and non-punished does not mean it is not against the law. Prostitution is common and occurs a lot and is against the law. If or if not a group of gang members wear certain clothing, it does not determine who they really are. If they were not allowed to wear those kinds of clothing, once again, they would find other ways to express it ie. words and tattoos etc. Since when did I ever say that I grew up with all the latest fashions? School is supposed to prepare kids for the adult world, and in the adult world after work and retirement there are no uniforms. If we teacher students to be more confident with who they are now, we are preparing them for the future as schools say they are doing. You never gave any evidence or statistics proving that bullying is tied in. You just gave scenarios that may or may not be real and accurate. Therefore, they are unreliable. Sports teams and regular school activity are two completely different things. Rebuttal to point 1: Sports are linked to "team spirit and pride etc." but school does not have to be itself. And yet again, you did not provide evidence that there is a "widespread agreement" or any kind. Rebuttal to point 2: Do you have any evidence that this can cause competition? No. You are speculating that one thing leads to another when you don't even have the base of the argument to agree with the rest. Think of a skyscraper, if the base is not study then the whole thing will fall. That is comparable to this point. Rebuttal to point 3: That is just an accusation, where is your evidence? Rebuttal to point 4: People will always find something to judge others on. If it is not clothing, then it would be facial features etc. instead. People talk, you cannot change that. Rebuttal to point 5: But only outside of school. Once again, this is a violation of amendment 1 rights. Unless you want your freedom stripped away, there is no reason to support forced dressing when a dress code is already involved. Rebuttal to evidence post 1: You cite evidence explaining students stay home due to fear and/or intimidation, nowhere do you cite evidence that this links back to clothing. You cannot use your own personal opinion and reasoning without evidence to back that up. Rebuttal to evidence post 2: That is just one person's opinion. Rebuttal to evidence post 3: Once again, if we do not teach the youth to deal with these kinds of conflicts (if they even do occur as often as you say), they will not be prepared for their older years. Other points and evidence I want to make: "The path to adult development is honed throughout the duration of early schooling. However, your transition towards adulthood can be hindered with uniforms. Since it is mandatory, you are not given the chance to decide for yourself, which is one of the hallmarks of adulthood." "Uniforms aim to give everybody a homogenous look, right? Instead of improving a student"s self-image because he looks just like the others, it actually does the opposite. Students have different weights, body types and heights. Whenever one looks at himself in the mirror, he depreciates his self-image because he feels like he doesn"t look his best." "f you thought that requiring all students to wear uniforms can lessen the chances of bullying, you are dead wrong! In fact, it can actually increase the incidence of bullying, especially in school districts where violence rates are soaring. A 1999 study conducted by experts from Texas Southern University showed that bullying incidents increased by as much as 12%, after the implementation of mandatory uniform wearing. Echoing this sentiment is a 2007 study published in the Southwest Journal of Criminal Justice. According to the research, assaults increased by as much as 14 incidences yearly, right after the introduction of school uniforms." All facts from: http://www.listland.com...

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  • CON

    Uniforms are necessary: 1.Many schools across the world...

    School Uniforms are unnecessary

    Uniforms are necessary: 1.Many schools across the world especially government schools receive students from culturally, ethically and economically diverse back grounds and having a similar clothing provides the students with a sense of unity and equality. Having uniform makes all students equal representatives of the schools whereas wearing clothing of choice creates division among students and partiality from teachers. 2. It helps the school officials to recognize their student much faster in case of any emergency. School uniform is the best and safest way to avoid any sort of obscenity inside the school premises. 3.Embracing one"s individuality can subdue others". Uniforms prevent that. In competitions outside school uniforms create togetherness in students from the same school. 4.It also prevents students from wasting their time on taunting, teasing and/or admiring other students" clothes or dressing style.

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  • CON

    It takes longer to put on school clothes because of...

    School Uniforms

    It takes longer to put on school clothes because of missing buttons and things like that. And I don't think the uniforms will stop school shootings. At the high school I go to, If your a girl you're required to wear a skirt or very tight pants which I can tell makes a lot of the guys at my school touch and stare. And some of my friends get bullied because the buttons and zippers on their pants keep breaking so I don't know if those "facts" are because of school uniform, Or if stuff like that is getting better because of different things like teachers.

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  • CON

    While bullying may not stop, use of uniform at least...

    School Uniforms are unnecessary

    Wearing school uniforms can be helpful in many ways. First, having matching outfits can make all students feel equal. Poor students would no longer feel excluded because they were not wearing name brand clothing like the richer kids. In addition, social status would be less of an issue because everyone would be wearing the same clothing. One of the biggest arguments against school uniforms is that students would lose their sense of individuality. I believe that uniforms will improve students" individuality because they will have to express themselves through their personality and attitude, rather than through an expensive pair of shoes or a brand name pair of jeans. Uniforms will improve self-esteem in the students because they will not feel pressured to dress a certain way. While bullying may not stop, use of uniform at least prevents students who aren't dressed fashionably or according to the latest trends, from getting picked on for their choice of clothes. School uniforms can save parents a lot of money as they then only need to buy their kids casual clothes to wear on the weekends. Otherwise, parents need to constantly replenish their child's wardrobe with the latest fashions, which can be very expensive. They would need to provide clothes for 5 days of every week plus weekends, sports and club activities. This can be economically taxing for parents, and the constant demand for new clothes will be very stressful. Uniforms are a special money saver during the growing years when kids outgrow their clothes every few months. In today's schools, adolescents are killing each other over designer jackets and expensive sneakers. With school uniforms, incidents of theft and assault are down. Uniforms help eliminate violent crimes. https://www.frenchtoast.com... https://www.buzzle.com... http://altweb.astate.edu...

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  • PRO

    In Long Beach, CA, after two years of a district-wide K-8...

    School Uniforms

    -First off, Des Moines won the case? And students are still plenty able to freely express themselves, by, hey I dontknow? TALKING! - Individuality should be shown by someones personality not what clothes they wear. - In Long Beach, CA, after two years of a district-wide K-8 mandatory uniform policy, reports of assault and battery in the district's schools decreased by 34%, assault with a deadly weapon dropped by 50%, fighting incidents went down by 51%, sex offenses were cut by 74%, robbery dropped by 65%, possession of weapons (or weapon "look-alikes") decreased by 52%, possession of drugs went down by 69%, and vandalism was lowered by 18%. - http://school-uniforms.procon.org... -Students are way more prone to embarassment without school uniforms as a highschooler myself I know a multitude of kids who were made fun of for not wearing the trending brands (Nike, Vans, Pink etc) and school uniforms will decrease that to a minimum.

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