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    Human life is not possible without any one of these...

    Universal human nature

    Fundamental human rights exist and are founded on universal human needs. Certain needs are necessary to human life in every instance and circumstance. These include food, water, shelter and security of person. Human life is not possible without any one of these things, and so these needs may be termed 'fundamental rights' necessary to the continued existence of that person. Every person has a right to the fulfilment of these needs as the alternative is non-existence, which is contrary to our basic human nature to survive. Because all humans everywhere possess at birth a drive to survive and all share these requirements, they are clearly fundamental to our nature and we have a right to their fulfilment and protection.  

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    Even if we think the terrorist cause is illegitimate we...

    The moral duty to respect a basic level of humanity, which the Geneva Convention embodies, must be retained

    Even if we think the terrorist cause is illegitimate we have a moral duty to respect a basic level of humanity. There are certain acts, such as torture, to which no individual should be subjected, regardless of their own behaviour. The Geneva Convention is about universal respect for human dignity (International Committee of the Red Cross, 1949), not merely for those who show it in return. Civilised nations can and should be expected to act in a humane manner, regardless of the barbarity of their adversaries. Only by acting in such a manner can states prove the superiority of their own humanity.

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    In 1998 the ILO Declaration on Fundamental Principles and...

    Labour standards are necessary to protect basic human rights

    Labour and business standards are a cornerstone of agreement on universal human rights between various international actors and so it is right that they should be linked to aid. In 1998 the ILO Declaration on Fundamental Principles and Rights at Work were adopted and are considered binding on all members regardless of whether they have ratified the conventions.[1] The business and labour regulations protect the basic worker rights and improve job security through demanding the elimination of discrimination and empower workers through the recognition of “freedom of association and the effective recognition of the right to collective bargaining”[2] like in those in developed western countries. This then provides a minimum standard and aid should only be given to those that ensure those minimum standards they have signed up. It would also help compliance to prioritise those who go further in their protections of labour when it comes to receiving aid. It should be remembered that there has been general acceptance of international labour standards not just for human rights reasons but also because having minimum standards is beneficial economically – for example a 40 hour working week is more productive per hour than a 60 hour week.[3] [1] the ILO Declaration on Fundamental Principles and Rights at Work, ‘About the Declaration’, International Labour Organisation, http://www.ilo.org/declaration/thedeclaration/lang--en/index.htm [2] ILO Declaration on Fundamental Principles and Rights at Work and its Follow-up, Adopted by the International Labour Conference at its Eighty-sixth Session, Geneva, 18 June 1998 (Annex revised 15 June 2010), http://www.ilo.org/declaration/thedeclaration/textdeclaration/lang--en/index.htm [3] Robinson, Sara, ‘Bring back the 40-hour work week’, Salon, 14 March 2012, http://www.salon.com/2012/03/14/bring_back_the_40_hour_work_week/

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    With estimates that the cost of this investment might...

    Universal healthcare is not affordable

    No policy is created, debated or implemented in a vacuum. The backdrop of implementing universal health coverage now is, unfortunately, the greatest economic downturn of the last 80 years. Although the National Bureau of Economic Research declared the recession to be over, we are not out of the woods yet.[1] Is it really the time to be considering a costly investment? With estimates that the cost of this investment might reach 1.5 trillion dollars in the next decade, the answer is a resounding no. Even the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities – a left leaning think tank – opined that the Congress could not come up with the necessary funding to go ahead with the health reform without introducing some very unpopular policies.[2] Does this mean universal health care should be introduced at one time in the future? Not likely. Given that there are no realistic policies in place to substantially reduce the “riot inducing” US public debt[3] and the trend of always increasing health care costs[4] the time when introducing With estimates that the cost of this investment might reach 1.5 trillion dollars in the next decade, the answer is a resounding no. Even the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities – a left leaning think tank – opined that the Congress could not come up with the necessary funding to go ahead with the health reform without introducing some very unpopular policies.[2] Does this mean universal health care should be introduced at one time in the future? Not likely. Given that there are no realistic policies in place to substantially reduce the “riot inducing” US public debt[3] and the trend of always increasing health care costs[4] the time when introducing universal health care affordably and responsibly will seem ever further away. [1] New York Times, Recession, published 9/20/2010, http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/r/recession_and_depression/index.html, accessed 9/18/2011 [2] New York Times, Paying for Universal Health Coverage, published 6/6/2009, http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/opinion/07sun1.html, accessed 9/18/2011 [3] Taylor, K., Bloomberg, on Radio, Raises Specter of Riots by Jobless, published 9/16/2011, http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/nyregion/mayor-bloomberg-invokes-a-concern-of-riots-on-radio.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=public%20debt&st=cse, accessed 9/18/2011 [4] Gawande, A., The cost conondrum, published 6/1/2009,  http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande, accessed 9/18/2011

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    France’s system of single-payer health coverage goes like...

    Universal healthcare systems are inefficient

    One of the countries lauded for its universal health care is France. So what has the introduction of universal coverage brought the French? Costs and waiting lists. France’s system of single-payer health coverage goes like this: the taxpayers fund a state insurer called Assurance Maladie, so that even patients who cannot afford treatment can get it. Now although, at face value, France spends less on healthcare and achieves better public health metrics (such as infant mortality), it has a big problem. The state insurer has been deep in debt since 1989, which has now reached 15 billion euros.[1] Another major problem with universal health care efficiency is waiting lists. In 2006 in Britain it was reported that almost a million Britons were waiting for admission to hospitals for procedures. In Sweden the lists for heart surgery are 25 weeks long and hip replacements take a year. Very telling is a ruling by the Canadian Supreme Court, another champion of universal health care: “access to a waiting list is not access to health care”.[2] Now although, at face value, France spends less on healthcare and achieves better public health metrics (such as infant mortality), it has a big problem. The state insurer has been deep in debt since 1989, which has now reached 15 billion euros.[1] Another major problem with universal health care efficiency is waiting lists. In 2006 in Britain it was reported that almost a million Britons were waiting for admission to hospitals for procedures. In Sweden the lists for heart surgery are 25 weeks long and hip replacements take a year. Very telling is a ruling by the Canadian Supreme Court, another champion of universal health care: “access to a waiting list is not access to health care”.[2] Universal health coverage does sound nice in theory, but the dual cancers of costs and waiting lists make it a subpar option when looking for a solution to offer Americans efficient, affordable and accessible health care. [1] Gauthier-Villars, D., France Fights Universal Care's High Cost, published 8/7/2009, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124958049241511735.html, accessed 9/17/2011 [2] Tanner, M., Cannon, M., Universal healthcare's dirty little secrets, published 4/5/2007, http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-tanner5apr05,0,2681638.story, accessed 9/18/2011

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    My premise:** If we agree on a specific set of societal...

    CMV: Universal Basic Income (UBI) is, in concept, much more effective than a welfare state

    If your goal is to keep workers desperate and powerless, UBI is probably not an attractive concept -- so I'm going to narrow my focus down & make this pretty clean. **My premise:** If we agree on a specific set of societal goals (1), then we are much better served with my outline of UBI (2) than by the complex snarl of welfare systems most countries (particularly the US) employ at present. Rather than expand the minimum wage, etc, we should focus on testing and implementing a scheme for universal basic income. **1 - Societal Goals** Let's assume our goal in deploying welfare systems is to promote personal liberty, prevent privation & starvation, and ensure a healthy consumer base -- and that we're balancing that against a need to maintain workforce participation, and maintain a healthy economy & budget. **2 - What I mean when I say UBI** Here's what I'm describing: * Every adult, regardless of their income, gets a tax-free monthly payment of around $1,300 (enough to be over the federal poverty line if their income is zero). * All other income is still taxed in a progressive tax system * This plan replaces welfare systems like Social Security * The payments do not change based on where you live; earning more money doesn't make you lose the payments. **3 - Why I believe a UBI to be superior** 1. Versus other schemes (like a negative income tax), UBI is much more likely to promote continued participation in the economy. Any money you make is good -- there's no "income trap" to make you lose your benefits if you get a better job. 2. This is much, much easier to manage -- and because its simple, it'll require less bureaucracy, less overhead, and less policing. 3. It's a future proof solution. It won't need to be retooled every time technology destabilizes an industry or puts millions out of work. 4. It creates more natural and competitive markets. A lot of markets don't respond to supply and demand now, because one or the other is really fixed: 1. It'll reduce overpopulation in very expensive areas, and shift folks (who are looking for a lower cost of living in order to get more out of their UBI) into lower cost areas, making rent more affordable in the higher population areas. 2. It'll make owning and operating a small business less risky, because business owners' basic needs will be cared for -- which means more small businesses. **4 - My response to some normal criticism** 1. *People won't want to work anymore.* That's not been the outcome in UBI trials in the past -- it's *basic* income, knowing you won't be homeless and will be able to eat enough to live isn't what most of us are working for anyway. If having these needs met meant you wouldn't work (even in pretty unappealing jobs), nobody in high school would have a job. 2. *It'll lead to runaway inflation.* Inflation is based on a disparity between demand and supply; for us to believe that we'd see runaway inflation, there'd need to be a set of goods that lower income people will buy (now that they've got UBI) that they couldn't buy before, that *cannot be produced in greater numbers.* I don't think that's plausible, in general: 1. Some products are relatively inelastic -- that means you need to buy them, regardless of whether you've got the money. This applies to food, gas, car repairs, and so on. 2. Housing would indeed get more expensive ... if you didn't have the option of leaving for a cheaper market. If you can make $15K working at McDonalds and $15K from UBI, why not move somewhere with a rent 1/4 as high? UBI doesn't create more *people who need housing,* and so it's not going to make housing cost more as long as market dynamics can keep functioning. 3. Luxury goods manufacturers generally cannot benefit from economies of scale -- ramping up demand often brings prices down, not up. For example, demand for hot tubs spiked massively this summer, all across the globe ... and prices came *down*, because manufacturers were able to perform much larger production runs. 3. *We can't pay for it.* This is B.S.; it'd cost us about $2 trillion a year (which is, I admit, lots of cash) -- but the social programs we'd cut are costing us about a trillion and a half. We can't figure out how to fund a five hundred billion a year? 1. Put the two top income tax brackets back to where they were in the 1950s. There's $400B a year. 2. Put the corporate tax rate back where it was in the 1970s. There's another $100B a year. 4. *That's socialism.* No more so than any welfare program -- and it requires a good deal less government intervention than do our current models. I'm absolutely willing to change my view, but will be much more influenced by pragmatic arguments than philosophical ones; I'm not interested in arguing about whether or not giving people "money for nothing" is fair or ethical, and I need rebuttals to be substantive. Edit: Some folks have made really interesting and compelling arguments -- here are the summary of the changes I've made to my opinion as a result: 1. Social security couldn't be phased out all at once, politically speaking -- at the same time, UBI renders it unecessary, so it would need to be phased out gradually. 2. Housing benefits would also need to be phased out gradually, to mitigate community disruption. 3. Universal healthcare is required; I'm not behind the idea of UBI trumping health insurance. Because Americans pay far more for medical care per capita than other wealthy nations without seeing any improvement in outcomes, we can afford a single payer option, which (as the evidence of almost every developed country in the world can attest) is a perfectly feasible option and tends to be more cost effective.

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    If rights are relative, the laws that protect them must...

    Universal rights and collective compromises

    Cultural relativism is the philosophical belief that all cultures and cultural beliefs are of equal value and that right and wrong are relative and dependant on cultural contexts. Accordingly, relativists hold that universal human rights cannot exist, as there are no truly universal human values. If rights are relative, the laws that protect them must also be relative. If we accept proposition’s contention that culturally relative values can evolve in response to conflicts and crises, then any perverse or destructive behaviour given the force of ritual and regularity by a group’s conduct can be taken to be relative. If the group believes that a practice is right, if it ties into that group’s conception of what is just and good or beneficial to their survival, then there can be no counter argument against it – whether that practice has been continuous for a hundred years or a hundred days. Systems of law, however, reflect the opinions, practices and values of everyone within a state’s territory, no matter how plural its population may be. Similarly, objections to specific aspects of the If the group believes that a practice is right, if it ties into that group’s conception of what is just and good or beneficial to their survival, then there can be no counter argument against it – whether that practice has been continuous for a hundred years or a hundred days. Systems of law, however, reflect the opinions, practices and values of everyone within a state’s territory, no matter how plural its population may be. Similarly, objections to specific aspects of the universal human rights doctrine are fragmentary, not collective. While a handful of communities in Yemen may object to a ban on the use of child soldiers, many more throughout the world would find this a sensible and morally valuable principle. It is necessary for both the international community and individual nation states to adjust their laws to reconcile the competing demands of plural value systems. Occasionally, a value common among a majority of cultures must overrule the objections of the minority. It is perverse to give charismatic leaders who convince impoverished communities to send their sons and daughters into combat an opportunity to use cultural relativism to excuse their culpability for what would otherwise be a war crime. Officers, politicians or dissident commanders are much more likely than Yemeni tribesmen or orphaned Sudanese boys to understand the intricacies of such a defence, and much more likely to abuse it. The commanders of child soldiers are the only class of individuals who should fear the ICC.

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    Clearly agreeing on one verbal language would be...

    CMV: There should be a universal sign language the whole worlds learns in school or by parents.

    In 2021, it seems perplexing there is not a universal language. Clearly agreeing on one verbal language would be difficult (such as English or Mandarin). I realize there are many sign languages too, which again, is a similar problem to verbal languages in the sense of 'how do you pick one over the other'. I think we should create a universal sign language of like 100-300 simple words. It would make the world a lot better. Tlde: the world would benefit from a universal sign language Edit: The language would be composed of 100-300 simple nouns and adjectives to help navigate foreign countries. This is not ment to be a full language, just a partial language to get by in the world, not to have complex discussions about philosophy. Edit 2: In a Vsauce video on YouTube titled Zipy, he discusses how 50-100 words account for 50% of our daily language. Thereby making 300 more than sufficient for minor communication to occur through a new sign language.

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    For example, a society which guarantees the security of...

    Universal benefits of human rights

    All humans benefit from the protection of the human rights of others. For example, a society which guarantees the security of person for all its inhabitants means every individual can feel assured of their safety and thus live a happier and more productive life, whereas in a society where this was not guaranteed to all, everyone would have to live in fear of their person being violated in the present if they cannot guarantee their own security, or in the future if they For example, a society which guarantees the security of person for all its inhabitants means every individual can feel assured of their safety and thus live a happier and more productive life, whereas in a society where this was not guaranteed to all, everyone would have to live in fear of their person being violated in the present if they cannot guarantee their own security, or in the future if they should lose the ability to protect themselves which they may enjoy in the present. This fear would lower the quality of life for all, and make society worse. Therefore, it could be argued that, even if fundamental human rights do not exist, it is still beneficial for us to believe in them and protect them, as we are all better off as a consequence. This applies internationally as well; the conception of universal human rights which everyone possesses has meant that many modern instances of humanitarian disasters, such as the 1984-1985 famine in Somalia, have been met with a vigorous response by nations, groups and individuals concerned with human rights, helping to alleviate the human suffering there.[1] This can be compared to historical examples in times when there was less concern with universal human rights and where therefore much less action was taken to alleviate famines and human suffering, such as occurred in the Irish Potato Famine between 1845 and 1852.[2] [1] de Waal, Alex. “Famine Crimes: Politics & the Disaster Relief Industry in Africa” African Rights and the International African Institute, 1997 [2] Kinealy, Christine. “This Great Calamity: The Irish Famine 1845-52.” Gill & Macmillan 1995

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    For example historically slave-owners still desired...

    Universal individual desires

    Certain desires, such as the desire for happiness, are universal to all human beings. Even if they actively deny them to others, every individual works towards the fulfilment of these desires for himself, and recognise that the denial of this fulfilment is harmful to himself. For example historically slave-owners still desired freedom of movement and labour for themselves, even if they denied it to their slaves on the basis of selfish interests. Therefore, because all humans desire happiness for themselves, and also desire the means to this end such as freedom of speech and the freedom to make their own choices, there exists a universal basis of desire for human rights in every individual. The enshrinement of 'fundamental human rights' simply universalizes what every individual acknowledges for himself: that the denial of certain rights is always harmful. This already even has a basis in the 'Golden Rule', to not do what is harmful to yourself to others, which can be found in some form in almost every ethical tradition.[1] [1] Blackburn, Simon. “Ethics: A Very Short Introduction”. Oxford: Oxford University Press. 2001. p.101

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    It is not, in fact, universal health care itself, that’s...

    Universal healthcare systems are inefficient

    It is not, in fact, universal health care itself, that’s inefficient, but specific adaptations of it. Often, even those shortcomings are so blown out of proportion that it’s very difficult to get the whole story. Universal health care can come in many shapes and sizes, meant to fit all kinds of countries and societies. When judging them it’s often useful to turn to those societies for critiques of their coverage systems. Despite the horror stories about the British NHS, it costs 60% less per person than the current US system. Despite the haunting depictions of decades long waiting lists, Canadians with chronic conditions are much more satisfied with the treatment received than their US counterparts.[1] We should not let hysterical reporting to divert us from the truth – universal health care makes a lot of economic, and, more importantly, moral sense. [1] Krugman, P., The Swiss Menace, published 8/16/2009, http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/opinion/17krugman.html, accessed 9/18/2011

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    Not all 'human rights' are necessary for existence. ......

    Universal human nature

    Not all 'human rights' are necessary for existence. The so-called 'right to free speech' and 'right to liberty' can both be removed from a person forcibly without ending their existence, and so cannot be justified on the basis of a 'The so-called 'right to free speech' and 'right to liberty' can both be removed from a person forcibly without ending their existence, and so cannot be justified on the basis of a 'universal drive to survive'. 

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    Merely wishing for something does not establish the...

    Universal individual desires

    There is no clear reason why a 'desire' must be a 'right', even if it were universal. Merely wishing for something does not establish the existence of rights, but merely creates a 'wish list' which may not actually be possible in reality. For example humans may universally desire a life of leisure without hard work, but it would be impossible to meet this desire for everyone, as then there would be no work done and therefore no resources to support leisure. 

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    For example a strong man in a society where he can use...

    Universal benefits of human rights

    The recognition and enforcement of fundamental human rights would and does not benefit everyone equally. For example a strong man in a society where he can use the threat of his strength to cause others to serve him against their will stands to lose his comfortable life, in which he is happier, if the weaker men's right to security of person is guaranteed. This loss is a far greater harm to him than the small potential that he might be replaced by an even stronger man who appears. Therefore not everyone benefits from the recognition of fundamental human rights, and so they cannot be termed either fundamental or universal, as they advance the interests of some at the expense of others. Similarly the international examples show how those in famine-prone areas benefit at the expense of those in more prosperous areas. Moreover, the excuse of 'protecting human rights' can be used as easily to advance neo-colonial or imperial ambitions on the part of one nation against another as it can be used to justify intervening in famines, so the net gain  is far from clear-cut.[1] [1] Bosco, David “Is human rights just the latest utopia?” Foreign Policy Magazine. Tuesday, July 5, 2011.

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    An expert on the issue from the Brigham and Women’s...

    Universal healthcare stifles innovation

    Profits do drive innovation. But there is nothing out there that would make us believes that the profits stemming from the health care industry are going to taper off or even decrease in a universal coverage system. In short in a single-payer system, it’s just the government that’ll be picking up the tab and not the private companies. But the money will still be there. An expert on the issue from the Brigham and Women’s Hospital opined that this lack of innovation crops up every time there is talk of a health care reform, usually from the pharmaceutical industry, and usually for reasons completely unrelated to the policy proposed.[1] Whereas the opposition fears new research into efficiency of medical practice and procedures, we, on the other hand, feel that’s exactly what the doctor ordered – and doctors do too.[2] [1] Klein, E., Will Health-Care Reform Save Medical Innovation?, published 8/3/2009, http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/08/will_health-care_reform_save_m.html, accessed 9/18/2011 [2] Brown, D., ‘Comparative effectiveness research’ tackles medicine’s unanswered questions, published 8/15/2011, http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/comparative-effectiveness-research-tackles-medicines-unanswered-questions/2011/08/01/gIQA7RJSHJ_story.html, accessed 9/18/2011

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    In many developing countries, child labour is an...

    Labour standards are necessary to protect basic human rights

    Not all standards benefit human rights and some could even undermine individual’s most basic human rights such as that to sustenance and shelter. Standards combating child labour, for example, could be misguided.  In many developing countries, child labour is an important source of income for children’s food and education.  Holding to the ILO’s convention on child labour would therefore affect families’ and children’s income and development opportunities.  Since child labour is dependent on level of economic development, developing countries should work on combating poverty before reducing child labour.  India implemented most international standards, including the convention for child labour. However, research has found that children working full time have better chances of making it to adulthood than those who work less, because they’re better fed[1]. Children’s physical wellbeing will often therefore benefit from being allowed to work. Rather than imposing labour standards the way to end such practices is to provide incentives that pay for parents to send their children to school as with the Bolsa Familia in Brazil.[2] [1] Cigno, Alessandro, and Rosati, Furio C., ‘Why do Indian Children Work, and is it Bad for Them?’, IZA Discussion paper series, No.115, 2000, http://www.econstor.eu/dspace/bitstream/10419/20956/1/dp115.pdf, p.21 [2] Bunting, Madeleine, ‘Brazil’s cash transfer scheme is improving the lives of the poorest’, Poverty Matters Blog guardian.co.uk, 19 November 2010, http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/poverty-matters/2010/nov/19/brazil-cash-transfer-scheme

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    There is not even consensus amongst Western Liberal...

    The LGBT community fulfills the basic principles and purposes of asylum

    There has yet to be an international consensus forged around LGBT rights and state treatment of sexual orientation. Many countries around the world are not secular Western Liberal Democracies and operate on a completely different moral standard than the West does. Many religions, and in fact state religions, do not recognize homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle and specifically see it as a sin and a crime against the religious authority they uphold. It is not the West’s role to tell the rest of the world what their morality should be. There is not even consensus amongst Western Liberal Democracies on this issue. The United States of America still does not recognize homosexuals as deserving of equal rights to heterosexuals and many states do not allow gay marriage or gay adoption as a result[1]. The west cannot circumvent the laws of other countries when they themselves do not even hold themselves to the legal and moral standard they would like to impose on others. [1] Law, Jeffrey R., and Justin H. Phillips. "Gay Rights in the States: Public Opinion and Policy Responsiveness." American Political Science Review. 103.3 (2009): Print.