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  • PRO

    is separate from the other sub-point "Make the U.S. a...

    The U. S. adopting Cap and Trade will have a significant effect on climate.

    >I again thank my respected and esteemed opponent for this debate. >My opponent goes right out and asks whether or not the UN is a part of the US. Obviously it isn't but it is influenced heavily by the US. To update the disagreements: 1. Will Obama's work in the US and UN affect other nations enough to create a 45.8% emissions cut by 2059. 2. Will the Obama Cap and Trade plan work? If yes, then please vote PRO. >My opponent has clearly noticed that "Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050." is separate from the other sub-point "Make the U.S. a Leader on Climate Change." Apparently, however he has not notice that they are BOTH underneath the larger title "Reduce our Greenhouse Gas Emissions 80 Percent by 2050." Therefore, they have been grouped together. I would now like to prove why this is true: Separate: unconnected; distinct; unique Together: into or in one gathering, company, mass, place, or body As the Obama website (http://my.barackobama.com...) clearly says, these are both grouped together into one gathering under "Reduce our Greenhouse Gas Emissions 80 Percent by 2050" and are not unconnected, distinct, or unique. The above negates my opponent's claims of separation and in fact proves that these two sub-points are together. >My opponent has obviously used the logic of "can't do it here" Do it there." To take his logic one step farther, the Obama plan is global. Because it covers the entire Earth, no matter where these companies go, the Obama plan will metaphorically follow them with its wants to cut emissions around the world. My opponent has said that oil companies pay more taxes than they gain in profits. While this USED to be true, it is no longer. I would like to present figure 2: http://www.taxfoundation.org... According to figure 2, while what my opponent said used to be true, at the moment oil and gas companies DO have more money each year than they started with. Due to this, emission caps on these companies WILL, in fact, work. > So, Disagreements (myself and my opponent): 1. Will Obama's work in the US and UN affect other nations enough to create a 45.8% emissions cut by 2059. YES 2. Will the Obama Cap and Trade plan work? YES >I thank my opponent (last time) for this excellent debate.

  • PRO

    Optimum population goals should satisfy 1) everybody's...

    Population control MUST be part of climate change/sustainable policies

    Optimum population goals should satisfy 1) everybody's BASIC quality of life (clean nutritious food, clean water/air, adequate shelter) 2) Access 2 basic human rights - quality education and healthcare, varied economic opportunity, satisfactory sanitary conditions, freedom from racism, freedom of religion, freedom from sexism 3) provide enough genetic biodiversity and 4) large enough to provide infrastructure and social community to promote creativity intellectually, artistically, and technologically All of these CAN be achieved without driving our planets ecosystems into the ground, other life forms into extinction, and the resources needed for survival dry (freshwater, space, clean air and food) As a population grows it inevitable consumes more and more until it is forceable stopped, either by policy/lifestyle changes or by starvation, rampant disease, war reducing the population down to an acceptable level or worse, down to nothing. This site details optimum population - it uses basic math equations taking into account the goal along with the earths carrying capacity - though it places it at about 2 billion, worst case/stretching resources at 4 billion - and we are already at 7 billion and still growing http://dieoff.org...

  • PRO

    The gov't has been doing that with oil for decades and...

    The US needs to do much more to combat climate change

    What do you mean you cant just invest. The gov't has been doing that with oil for decades and you never complained. We need real energy soulutions for the modern world and need to stop guzzling on saudi oil.

  • PRO

    However I think the Government should encourage wind and...

    The US needs to do much more to combat climate change

    I like your point. However I think the Government should encourage wind and solar and invest in wind and solar when possible. I am not advocating for the government to get as involved as they are in oil or other forms of energy. But think about how much gov't is involved at the local levels with regards to our power. Their hands are all in it. The reforms cannot take place without the gov't getting out and letting the renewable take its course. Perhaps I was a bit wrong when i said they were already cheaper, i think my point is that if gov't was involved and invested in them the same way as oil they would be much cheaper and we would be economically stronger without having to pollute our enviroment to harness the energy. Any thoughts sir?

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    Solar and Wind are already cheaper, its just their not...

    The US needs to do much more to combat climate change

    Thanks to my opponent for his response. The united states needs to move toward renewables and not try to revert back toward reliance on fossil fuels. The current administration has been very vocal on doing this. Solar and Wind are already cheaper, its just their not getting there a ss wiped by the governments like the oil companies do. Right now if another energy crisis happened the US consumer would be hurt and our economy would grind to a halt. If we invest in renewables now and get off dependenct we can better look after ourselves without relying on the saudis to wipe our as ses. I look forward to my opponents response.

  • PRO

    The president has the power in a state of emergency. If...

    Obama should declair a state of emergency because of climate change

    The president has the power in a state of emergency. If it has to be a war, OK let's declare war on god. 2. I guess you missed the part about having a solar panel on every roof. 3. I never mentioned wind. The cost of solar will go down, once it's in mainstream use. Who cares about a "tab", when the whole world is at stake? When we go to war, does anybody ask "who will pick up the tab"? 4. Leaf is a toy. I'm talking about technology used my Tesla Motors (I guess you didn't click on my link). 0-60 in 4 seconds, 300 miles per charge, swappable batteries in case of emergency, etc. We have the technology to stop global warming. It's crazy not to do it because of a "tab" or denial of the technology. That's like saying it costs too much to join a gym. I'd rather risk getting a heart attack. What you pay now to prevent a catastrophe, will be worth 1 million times its weight when it comes to paying for the catastrophe after it happens!

  • PRO

    What my opponent also doesn't understand about CO2 is...

    Resolved: Countries ought work to end climate change/global warming.

    Methodology of surface station experiments: I'm not saying that my opponent's evidence is inherently faulty. He certainly brings up a good point. However, the conclusion that he comes up to doesn't make sense at all. The methodology of the United States is flawed, so every single piece of evidence is invalidated when it comes to proving that human-caused global warming is existant. Yes, this is a study that is presented to the entire world, but this doesn't mean that every single study in the world about global warming is inherently wrong because this evidence is only speaking about the United States and how it conducts its studies rather than how England, France, Sweden, or other countries would conduct experiments. Heck, my opponent doesn't even give the specific organization from the United States that conducted this study. Global warming is tested by the Environmental Protection Agency, NASA, countless universities in the United States, etc. Why should a specific study from a specific organization in a specific country account for all the global warming studies in the world? That makes no sense. Furthermore, I explained already that global surface stations are adjusted for possible lurking variables for air conditioners anyway by the scientists conducting the study, meaning that the data is not unreliable. Fraud: So because different studies with different methodologies reach the same conclusion as a supposedly fraudulent one, that automatically means that my sources are faulty. That's completely unfair because it's a complete generalization of all evidence on global warming on the basis of a couple of studies that my opponent tries to prove were fraudulent. CO2 and N2O: My opponent obviously doesn't understand the chemistry here. I explained already that CO2 isn't even the strongest greenhouse gas. It's the greenhouse gas that is put most abundantly into the atmosphere from emissions. This is not to say, however, that CO2 has absolutely no impact on rising global temperatures. Furthermore, we must understand the following: what we can do currently is reduce emissions and reduce the amount of CO2 and other greenhouse gases entering into the atmosphere, but once it has entered the atmosphere, how do we get it out? What my opponent also doesn't understand about CO2 is that not all of it enters into the atmosphere. Portions of it enter into the ocean and become dissolved in it, contributing to its acidification, which harms the biodiversity of the aquatic environment and causes negative impacts to communities living close to these aquatic regions. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere doesn't speak entirely about how much of it is being emitted. Therefore, no, CO2 isn't out of the picture. I guess I can talk a bit about N2O as well here, even though that all I was saying was the N2O and methane are more potent greenhouse gases than CO2, most particularly 300 times more potent than CO2. There's a reason why my opponent's evidence seems to be showing these ideas and facts about how CO2 increases and temperature increases were so small or insignificant, but it isn't even analyzing all of the greenhouse gases. Global warming=Increase in global average temperature: What my opponent continues to misunderstand is that we are looking at the mean global temperatures and not specific regions. He claims that I ignore the basic rules of statistics, but then he gives only a few examples of countries that are seemingly not increasing in temperature according to the evidence. He provides no proof that these countries are significant deviations, and even when they are not increasing in their temperatures as the evidence seemingly presents, the global temperature mean still is increasing. Greenland: I never concede the point anywhere that one example is representative of the whole. I wonder where I said that because there could possibly be a misunderstanding that my opponent made. "Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets lost a combined mass of 475 gigatonnes a year on average. That’s enough to raise global sea level by an average of 1.3 millimeters (.05 inches) a year. (A gigatonne is one billion metric tons, or more than 2.2 trillion pounds.) Ice sheets are defined as being larger than 50,000 square kilometers, or 20,000 square miles, and only exist in Greenland and Antarctica while ice caps are areas smaller than 50,000 square km. The pace at which the polar ice sheets are losing mass was found to be accelerating rapidly. Each year over the course of the study, the two ice sheets lost a combined average of 36.3 gigatonnes more than they did the year before. In comparison, the 2006 study of mountain glaciers and ice caps estimated their loss at 402 gigatonnes a year on average, with a year-over-year acceleration rate three times smaller than that of the ice sheets." Global cooling: The global cooling arguments seem to include La Nina, which could be a skew in the general graph since it normally brings cold weather. Works Cited "The Causes of Global Warming: A Global Warming FAQ." Union of Concerned Scientists. Web. <http://www.ucsusa.org...;. "Melting Ice Sheets Now Largest Contributor to Sea Level Rise." Science Daily. Web. <http://www.sciencedaily.com...;. "Nitrious Oxide." EPA. Environmental Protection Agency. Web. 02 May 2012. <http://www.epa.gov...;. "Nitrous Oxide: Definitely No Laughing Matter When It Comes To Global Warming." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 18 Feb. 2008. Web. 02 May 2012. <http://www.sciencedaily.com...

  • PRO

    My opponent tries to go against my NASA data, even though...

    Resolved: Countries ought work to end climate change/global warming.

    This is the final round of the debate, so I'm just going to go over some overarching themes and arguments as well as give my reasons for voting for me in this debate. Frauds and Poor methodology: Even with the provision of new evidence about China and South Korea in his rebuttal, the logic that he tries to make is still faulty. He's making the general idea that because specific organizations in specific countries have their flaws in methodology, this means that every single piece of evidence relating to the proof of global warming is inherently faulty and wrong. My opponent brings up a lot of things in his rebuttal that haven't already been addressed in my own arguments or evidence (which has been fully cited in case if the links are not functional), and I explained already about the urban heating studies that the scientists behind this project have corrected their models in order to eliminate the influence of lurking variables in order to provide more credible data. My opponent tries to go against my NASA data, even though this wasn't the only source I listed, and while he talks about how the IPCC has been found for frauds and whatnot, he doesn't prove that my piece of evidence in particular is the one that is subject to such frauds, meaning that he's making another generalization. CO2 and N2O: He essentially talked all statistics in this portion, even though it was evident that he didn't seem to have a great understanding about global warming as an average of all temperatures instead of individual locations, and while my opponent says that there has not been any historical correlation, my evidence has shown otherwise. There are still natural cycles, as I explained, by overall, temperatures at a global scale are increasing. This is not to mention that CO2 isn't even the strongest offender and N2O isn't the only greenhouse gas. My opponent doesn't even make the slightest mention about methane or other greenhouse gases entering the atmosphere. He emphasizes on N2O and thinks he has proven beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt that there is no global warming. Ice Sheets: While I argued about ice sheets in general, my opponent just took up one ice sheet and claimed this is some overall evidence that there is no sort of global warming whatsoever, and I provided opposing evidence on this subject about Greenland explaining that the ice sheets are indeed decreasing in their size.

  • PRO

    When you look at the graphs at the bottom of this point,...

    Resolved: Countries ought work to end climate change/global warming.

    Logistics of the debate: Based on the current case my opponent has posted, my burden for this debate is the following: (1) I must prove that the evidence for global warming is sound and that it is a serious problem for the world population. (2) I must also prove that the benefits of stopping global warming outweigh the harms. Truth of Global warming: The debate really seems to come down to the evidence portion when analyzing the reality of global warming, and while my opponent posts heavy amounts of evidence in order to prove his point, when we look at the evidence itself, it can all be turned. The first piece we should look at it evidence [2], where he talks about how air conditioners skew the data, but the problem with this piece of evidence is that it only looks at the United States. The United States isn't the only country testing for global warming, and his evidence is mute about what organization specifically was doing this study, implying that there could be more organizations also studying global warming in different fashions. Second, his evidence [1] and [2] seriously underestimates the capabilities of the scientists conducting these studies. The scientists are aware of the urban heat island effect, which is why they correct the data in correlation to the setting of control variables, and in the end, the evidence of global warming is still represented in the trends. His evidence [3] is only speaking in the terms of the larger studies rather than on every study, meaning that this is underscoped as well, and when it speaks about the exaggeration of heating data in correlation with increases to CO2, it is important to note that while CO2 is the most abudant greenhouse gas being emitted into the atmosphere, CO2 is not the strongest, in comparison to the much more potent methane or N2O. When you look at the graphs at the bottom of this point, it is also important to note that my opponent's evidence is looking at every single place in the world individually. It is important to note that global warming is an average of the global temperatures, meaning that what every single individual region of the world experiences is immaterial. Greenland: What's happening to a particular part of the global ice caps doesn't mean this is what is happening to all polar ice caps. My evidence talked about the polar ice cap in Antartica shrinking, and the new evidence I was able to research on speaks about the shrinking ice caps around the Arctic Sea, close to the region of Greenland. While I speak about ice caps in general, my opponent only speaks about a particular ice cap. Global cooling: My opponent requires me to once again to explain that global warming is an average temperature of the globe, nothing too specific to any region in particular. Regions individually may experience fluctuations in their temperatures from highs to lows. Fluctuations: My opponent is right. Temperatures DO fluctuate as time goes on, but when you look at the overall graphs of global temperature, we realize that while there are fluctuations, the overall trend is increasing. My opponent talks about ages where there were very hot times, even though this was an earth from a very early time period where the atmosphere we know today was non-existent. We know that CO2 and other emissions we put in our atmosphere are greenhouse gases, and because we can reduce emissions, we can reduce the impact of global warming, hence meaning the government CAN do something about it. Benefits/Harms: When we look at the benefits against the harms, we realize that not only have I proven that global warming can actually hurt the economy, but I have also shown you that trying to solve for global warming leads to many more benefits as well in addition to that, meaning that I'm currently showing that benefits are outweighing harms. I urge a PRO vote.

  • PRO

    The second is the first constructive which will be...

    Resolved: Developed Countries have a moral obligation to mitigate the effects of climate change.

    There will be five rounds. The first is Acceptance. The second is the first constructive which will be followed by a second constructive. Then two rebuttals will complete the debate.

CON

  • CON

    My reponse in round two will suffice as a closing.......

    The Meaning of life is to support life and create change.

    My reponse in round two will suffice as a closing.... Thanks to all for reviewing!!!

  • CON

    A significant effect is considered to be a global...

    The U. S. adopting Cap and Trade will have a significant effect on climate.

    As Con, I will wait until my opponent puts out his or her contentions until I actually debate. A significant effect is considered to be a global differrence in atleast a quarter of a degree in fifty years, which is very merciful considering that some statistics say that the global average tempertaure has increased about a degree over the last hundred years. The Cap and Trade system is the system that will be employed under both major presidential candidates' administrations. I will let my opponent pick a plan to be specifically debated. McCain's Cap and Trade: http://www.johnmccain.com... Obama's Cap and Trade: http://my.barackobama.com... Unfortunately, neither candidates go into much detail, especially Barack Obama. As we go into further detail, we will quote their debates as to their actual plans. I look forward to the prospect of this debate.

  • CON

    I am thinking we should let God/covid decide who gets to...

    I don't vote. Change my mind. :p

    I am thinking we should let God/covid decide who gets to be in office considering Donald Trump already has covid. Joking kind of.

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  • CON

    gt;so that there isn't a discussion about things like...

    CMV: There is no legal way to bring real change in the USA.

    &gt;c*orruption-* sorry- **lobbyism** People really overestimate how much lobbying is done and also assume that all lobbying is even bad. Would you say people that lobby for BLM are also perpetuate corruption in the system? &gt;A good example is Obama-care which was the idea of free healthcare for everyone, but now isn't free That wasn't the general idea behind obama care.The idea was to cover some people not to be a univeral free healthcare. The only reason people are even currently talking about a universal health care is because of Obama care, it showed people that it's possible to make it a reality in the US. &gt;so that there isn't a discussion about things like minimum wage, healthcare, prisons, police etc. I mean those discussions are literally happening and we have recordings of them, and policies are made from those discussion that are a compromise between what both parties want. People are just to lazy to follow those discussions and rather read twitter headlines / reddit headlines for their news. This remindes me of the [scroll of truth](https://www.google.com/search?q=scroll+of+truth&amp;client=firefox-b-d&amp;sxsrf=ALeKk00nlH7UFp1E8RiOQ-GZ0VMtoREZCg:1611867686919&amp;source=lnms&amp;tbm=isch&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwjxhZ2Hw7_uAhWTPewKHQpjBf0Q_AUoAXoECBAQAw&amp;biw=1680&amp;bih=936#imgrc=wPc1v4HYmJ_tDM) meme where people just throws away the truth for their own believe because the truth does not fit with their narrative. &amp;#x200B; Politics especially on federal level is all about incremental changes that have a end goal which will be achieved in decades, not about changes that will happen tomorrow.

  • CON

    Violatations My opponent claims that I plagerised, but...

    DDO should change the "global warming exists" big issue to "Man-made global warming exists"

    Violatations My opponent claims that I plagerised, but this is false, because that is a debate card and it is cut like a debate card, so you can through that arguement out the window. I'll now show how I didn't drop any arguements and how/ why I won today's debate. 1. GW Exists page My opponent states that I didn't attack any arguements here, but what I stated is why we have it the way it is in the first place, because of Global Cooling! Then it begins in 2000 with Al Gore campaigning, leading to does it exist. My oponent just says I dropped arguements, but I refuted the whole contention. 2. Change My opponent states that I didn't bring up how it was so long (note- I couldn't find the link for this), but if you read round two you see how it works and those of you who were here this summer know what I'm talking about. 3. Religon and better things My opponent dropps this contention so you can extend across my arguements here. (this was if GW gets replaced then other things should take it's place, arguement). In conclusion, you can see that my opponent didn't really touch up on my arguements and also falsly accused me of plagerism.

  • CON

    Countries on the UNSC do already take an interest in the...

    An African voice would change priorities for the better

    Countries on the UNSC do already take an interest in the Africa, illustrated by French troops helping local democratic governments form Mali and CAR defeat various outlaw rebel groups.[1] Secondly, simply giving a veto to an Africa nation, does not guarantee that they will promote beneficial policies. South Africa for example has been accused of using UNSC membership to defend human rights abusers, South Africa’s response was that human rights "have always targeted mainly the developing countries".[2] [1] “Sand on their boots”, The Economist, Jan 24th 2013 http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21570718-french-action-mali-seems-be-workingso-far-sand-their-boots [2] Humphreys, Joe, ‘SA defends human rights voting at UN’, The Irish Times, 20 November 2007, http://www.unwatch.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=bdKKISNqEmG&b=1319279&ct=4653987

  • CON

    Good thing we don’t make legislation based upon public...

    Forcing change in liberal democracies is itself illiberal

    Good thing we don’t make legislation based upon public opinion polls. For example, like what is taught in our schools: http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/Evolution-Creationism-Intelligent-Design.aspx Bob Loblaw!

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  • CON

    I'm pretty sure this entire conversation I have...

    its Bernie or bust, We are suck of moderates, WE WANT REAL CHANGE

    I don't know what your final argument had to do with literally anything, I don't think I ever said Bernie couldn't beat Trump? I'm pretty sure this entire conversation I have reinforced the idea that he is the Front Runner right now and is the most likely currently to win the primary. I just said the idea that if by chance he doesn't win the primary, You won't vote in the general is a really stupid and selfish idea move and that I unironically would consider you nearly as bad as a Trump supporter at that point.

  • CON

    That election was incredibly close, Hillary won the...

    its Bernie or bust, We are suck of moderates, WE WANT REAL CHANGE

    That election was incredibly close, Hillary won the popular vote, And that was with many Bernie fans still choosing to vote for her, Without that support for whoever the democratic nominee is, We are all but giving the election to Trump, And that would be on your hands. 2. If you wanna support Bernie, No one is stopping you, He's currently the democratic front runner, It's just that the idea of only voting in the general if Bernie wins is unbelievably selfish because you are basically just letting all the people who would be demonstrably harmed by another Trump term take the bullet because you mad your guy didn't make it, That's partisanship at it's worst. 3. It's literally just harm reduction, It's fine to aim for getting your ideal candidate into office but you wanna do the best with what your given even if you can't get the ideal.