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  • PRO

    My first reason is that it is a basic human right and an...

    The United States should adopt a publicly funded health care system

    My first reason is that it is a basic human right and an American right. In the Declaration of Independence, it says life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights. This means that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are given to all humans. It says LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness which means medicine should be provided to all. Also, you said that you should not have to pay for someone else abortion. My response to that is what do you think taxes are? Since you seem not to know I'll tell you. You see taxes are when you pay the government and they use these things for public schools, roads, and general maintenance. This means OTHER PEOPLE use things your tax dollars make. So are you going to not pay taxes anymore? Next, you send that it will be a long wait time. Will yes that is true I think that a long wait time is better than being bankrupt after one visit, or not even getting a doctor. Also, you said how people would "abuse" the system. This is not true because it DOES NOT HAPPEN.

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  • PRO

    but it's also empirically proven....the more guns a...

    universal background checks r a common sense solution to gun violence

    i was called out to be debated, so i created this debate just for that purpose against con: people like to say criminals don't obey the gun laws so why have them. they don't obey drug law, theft laws, murder laws, or any laws... does that mean we shouldn't have those laws? the fact is, some people will not run and get a gun if they have dont have one because they are denied. if they dont have a gun when they might otherwise commit a crime, a crime has been prevented. if there's any doubt, why not err on the side of caution and pass the background checks? this isn't even controversial. ninety percent of people favor checks. and even seventy percent of NRA members. so anyone i'm arguing with on this is in a big minority. and, aren't we forced to conclude the only reason this doesn't pass, doesn't even get to the floor to vote in congress, mean that they are beholden to the gun lobby, and the likes of the NRA? that's the only way to make sense of it as far as i can see. forty percent of sales do not involve checks. there is plenty of room for improvement here. if we treated guns like cars, and required licenses, checks, permits, etc, people wouldn't even bat an eye or think diferent about it. only when someone moves your cheese and challenges a status quo do people even care. [not that we couldn't do more. the more likely a person is to have a gun, teh more likely tehy are to kill someone. this is common sense. but it's also empirically proven....the more guns a person or geographic area has, the more likely they are to commit crimes. countires with that take away guns have less crime. it's a fact. ] people who might challenge me... do you seriously contend that one hundred percent of people who are denied a gun and might commit a crime will run out and get one? those kinds of absolute statements are notoriously known for being false. so what gives? ======================================= here is con's reply: "It says I can not debate you because I do not meet your criteria. First I'd like to state the reason for leaving government out of private gun ownership. The idea of having an armed populace is so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government. Don't think it could happen to us in the US? Think I'm being absurd? We are still a young country (not even 250 years old), and it has happened so many times to "free" and "liberated" societies that there is an actual cycle that has been created. This is called the Tytler cycle. It follows this order and then repeats itself: bondage, spiritual faith, courage, liberty, abundance, selfishness, complacency, apathy, dependence, then back to bondage. I believe we are in between the apathy and dependence stage presently, but you see it is a very real possibility. Now WHEN the government starts violating our basic rights, then having an armed populace will be beneficial as we could resist enforcement of these unconstitutional laws. But what good would having an armed populace be if the government knows who owns guns and how many? When armies fight does one general tell the opposition's general where his troops are, and how many are at each station, and how well armed they are? No, because that would defeat the purpose, and you can only then choose between slaughter or surrender. This is why having a license and register for every gun would be counter productive to the American people. Now as for background check, who would you recommend conduct these checks? The government perhaps? Again if the main reason for having a 2nd Amendment is to protect us from the tyranny of the government (which there is an abundance of evidence for) this is counter intuitive. For example, veterans coming back from the Middle East are being denied gun ownership because they have PTSD (which there is evidence that it is way overly diagnosed). I am almost out of characters for this comment. Debate me, or you're scared." ======================================= the main point i have is that background checks are against specific people, not everyone. so the doomsday scenario where the government takes away guns then takes over the country is irrelevant. and, background checks doesn't mean gun registry's.... it just means you pass a check before getting a gun. this paragraph seals my resolution and defeats con. but even on that point by con that the government would use info to take over, it would be better to have whatever means necessary to control guns even if that meant inventories. th government take over thing is far fetched. it's not far fetched to see that there are people dying by the second due to gun violence. we need to weight the evidences here. i could even get into perhaps takign guns away, but i will seal my victory with the first paragraph, and seal the extra points with the paragraph.

  • PRO

    Children and teens should engage with entertainment media...

    Should TV be banned

    "It keeps us entertained". Any form of media can maintain a person's attention and entertain them therefore the universal nature of the scenario somewhat weakens the point. To make matter worse TV is often duplicated online and more accessible as well so for instance via NetFlix you can watch entire seasons of shows versus television where you can only watch one episode at a time. While TV contracts make sure they have the newest episodes and freshest content very little of it is exclusive to TV alone and cannot or will not be streamed or shared (legally) via the internet. 2. While true (http://www.med.umich.edu...) the amount of television children, namely toddlers and preschoolers, are to watch is very limited: "The [American Academy of Pediatrics] recommends that parents establish "screen-free" zones at home by making sure there are no televisions, computers or video games in children's bedrooms, and by turning off the TV during dinner. Children and teens should engage with entertainment media for no more than one or two hours per day, and that should be high-quality content. It is important for kids to spend time on outdoor play, reading, hobbies, and using their imaginations in free play." (http://www.aap.org...) rendering the need for television itself obsolete since most of this media can be streamed off the internet or bought on recorded devices (such as DVDs) for far less without a recurring price considering that the total value of time children should watch television as recommended is less than 60 hours a month on average making it a total of less than 3 whole days. At $20/mo. you could buy a DvD or two of educational programming that will easily span this amount of time over the course of at least two months. 3. The Internet is hands down the winner for keeping people updated with the news (http://www.people-press.org...) for the new generation as seen in the section of breakdown by age. It is unlikely that TV will make a comeback and it's popularity seems to only be present within those further away from the Internet Age itself. This trend is an indication that it will not suffice alone and cannot survive on this as it is impractical. In the US alone this article shows that the source of news is beginning to become majorly irrelevant but it contains all ages and is not particularly a strong source for current trends just actuality: (http://www.americanpressinstitute.org...) In 2013 American's used alternate forms of entertainment than Television (http://www.huffingtonpost.com...) combined with it's redundancy over Internet there's no reason to keep it.

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  • PRO

    My definition of "universal morals" is: A set of beliefs...

    Internet users should have to disclose their identity, assuming it were possible.

    First, thank you for this opportunity to debate such a relevant topic to modern society. Good luck to my opponent. I believe the following three points sufficiently outline the Con arguments against online identity disclosure: Transparency: 1. Causes moral/practical harms, such as offline stalking. 2. Contradicts principles, such as: Non-harmful actions ought to be allowed. 3. Is harmful to legitimate internet use, including whistleblowing, porn, and suicide prevention. Please add points if one is missing. My starting arguments follow; I will expand on them shortly. Counters to the Con arguments will be provided later. Transparency prevents: 1. Deliberate falsification of information, including identity theft. 2. [Some] online abuse. Transparency enables: 1. Authentication of online transactions/legal claims (https://www.rcfp.org...) Counter arguments to Con points: 1.Causes moral/practical harms, such as offline stalking. Counter: My research has shown the risk of physical stalking does increase with disclosure.. My idea to solve this issue is that an online account would have to be run through a private, system to be determined safe. I can explain further on this idea in a later round. 2. Contradicts principles, such as: Non-harmful actions ought to be allowed. Counter: This principle depends on three definitions. Here is the original wording of the principle, as Con listed it: "Privacy stems from the key principle that people should be allowed to do anything, provided it doesn't affect others." First, what is meant by "should be allowed"?" What are the determining factors to say whether something should...be anything? I first think of universal morals. My definition of "universal morals" is: A set of beliefs by which people govern actions to be innately positive or contributing to society, as compared to negative or detracting from society. Another version of morals is spiritually-related, but I"m not certain Con was referring to those. Secondly, society tends to agree that "harmful" actions include murder, theft, rape, etc. However, it is important to note societal designations of "harmful" actions are subjective to society"s support of certain concepts, which include political ideologies and religious beliefs. Thirdly, by "...ought to be allowed," I assume Con refers to an obligation, possibly, again, a moral obligation of members of a decent society to treat other members with respect. Feel free to correct me on any of those definitions, and my apologies for the length of explanation. 3. Is harmful to legitimate internet use, including whistleblowing, porn, and suicide prevention. Counter: I personally added whistleblowing in this list of legitimate internet use. This article describes audit committee members' treatment of anonymous whistleblowing claims. http://i-sight.com... If requested, I can research effectiveness of protection for whistleblowers. My personal bias is that porn causes more harm than good, though some may disagree. I will focus on suicide prevention. It appears that depression is a major cause of suicide, and a lack of acknowledgement, combined with a victim's silence, often results in suicide. The revealing of victims" identities can provide a better opportunity for professionals, and friends of victims, to deal with underlying issues. Otherwise, if victims remain anonymous, they may continue to feel hopeless. It seems that the means are worth the result in this such circumstances. To Con: Please engage with the last point, particularly, if possible, as I find it to be a very intriguing topic. I have no personal bias in regards to suicide prevention and internet anonymity, so I am up for a healthy and informative debate on this. This makes for an engaging debate. Thank you.

  • PRO

    Universal Health Coverage --- Call It Socialized...

    The uninsurance problem should be solved by less, not more government

    Lawrence R. Huntoon, MD, PhD. "Universal Health Coverage --- Call It Socialized Medicine". Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. 2000. - "Collectively, the uninsured pay about $17.1 billion in extra taxes each year because they do not receive the same tax break as insured people with similar income... Where, we must ask, is the compassion for these overtaxed, hard-working people? This is clearly a government-created problem. What we don't need is more government (nationalized health care) to "fix it." What we need is to get government out of our wallets so people can have their own money needed to purchase and own their own health insurance."

  • PRO

    No government agency does its job efficiently..." What...

    The United States Ought to Establish a Universal Healthcare

    "I proved that FFC was better in my R2:..to enjoy it " Once again , Ask many people and they can tell you that illness causes physical enslavement as well as mental. So in essense , the "freedom" you are refering to is the false freedom that is brought from being ill , knowing you cannot do whatever you want and in some situations , make your own decisions. " My opponent's response to my VC... " My opponent has not proven that a free sick person is happier than an enslaved healthy one. He has no data simply because there is not just one side to that arguement. There are many who are sick and absolutely HATE it! there are many who are healthy and are so pleased with their help they do more to retain it. With that health they are free to do whatever they want. Plus my opponent did not pose it as a question , and if he did , it was posed in a rhetorical right of way. "He's not comparing anything.." I have and even refuted the same comparision twice. And have refuted him several times on these comparisons , Hence there was no conceding. "Certainly a response, but not a refutation." Let it be known that the statement was data to support my claim , please note that my opponent has attacked something that is undesputable , numbers and statistics. "...D�j� vu?" Extending from his R1, he states. ""His justification for the HE VC is that it makes people healthier and increases their lifespan... FFC is a direct link to SocW that supersedes HE." That was my refutation to that in the simplest form and also addressed the concern of mental health as well. " PRO continually compares the free healthy and the enslaved sick. It is maddening.." Contradiction to the previous statement of not stating comparison , Extend this [ across the flow. ] "...You will HAVE to petition. Or in less euphemistic terms, beg. Not exactly FFC. Not even close" But since people are in control of the governments in the world it is THEIR job to PETITION THEM , FOR ANYTHING they want. In addition , the comparison of using a drill isn't a very good one because in the end you are stating there are options , You then go ahead to state there isn't , contradiction. Even more you also state about hoping that a crowd will gather, If so many are discontent about it , WHY DO THEY NOT DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT COLLECTIVELY. 9.9/10 working towards a cause in number gets the job done. "No government agency does its job efficiently..." What leads you to believe that private agencies do it's job efficiently. AIG , for example , is a private agency that has been dumping money into CEO pockets , and declaring bankruptcy only to be bailed out. The following day an insider proclaims that there is a 400,000 trip to a resort in California, and this isn't a government agency , this is a private one. So in the end it is a horrible generalization. The reason to believe that there will be a difference is that if the UHC doesn't do it's job , people will make it do it's job by telling the government what they need to do to fix this mess on a collective level. "Again, he compares free and healthy to enslaved and sick." Yet you've stated the same and I could possibly extend the comparison [ across the flow ] several times from my opponents [ side of the flow ] , And once again , you have created a contradiction which was previously extended. "Sorry, I meant..." A convenient declaration that my opponent mispoke. However it has already been extended [across the flow] twice. Plus once again , it seems as if you have confused the statement. Let it be known. "Sigh. So, let's recap.." No refutation for data , My opponent , due to the lack of a response concedes to this and hence , there is no dispute. "Not a response." Yes it was , With data and documentation to show it was a response. Extending from my R1. "When a third fail to meet the rule...This is undenyable. Read this article and it explains alot more http://www.msnbc.msn.com...... and then looking at this http://www.blogcdn.com...... ..." In the end I did prove it by way of maps and articles to show that Higher LE <----> UHC. It is undenyable because of the fact there is statistics that are availiable to support my claim and previous refutations. And I'm tired of repeating the fact that my opponent has decided try to attack something that is beyond denial. "Not in Constitution." Not in the constitution per say , however with modern concepts involved , It is heavily and boldly implied. To my opponents case. "If I told you ... Y." This is a horrible comparison due to the fact that my side , the affirmative , is prepared to blow someon's head off over a want. Plus why would the people keep on asking for something they know they have the freedom to purchase , that makes no sense and is against the means of capitalism , however I digress again. 'Now as defined in R2, terrorism is "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes". Basically, the limiting of freedom for political purposes.' Note: With the implementation of UHC , we have no reason to shove people into hospitals at gun point. At that juncture it is their freedom to go if they please. Therefore , once again terrorism is irrelevant at this point in the debate. "US does not yet have UHC. UHC requires taxes. Taxation is terrorism. Ergo, UHC requires terrorism. ..." Taxation however is not a violent process in the United States of America cheifly because no one is holding a knife to your throat telling you to pay up. No one is holding a firearm to your head and telling to pay up. People just pay up because they are required to in a modern society. UHC is also part of an advanced and modern society , hence , by having UHC , we are using those taxes to supplement the advancement of society , in forward relation , a increase in societal welfare. [ 2nd Connection from VC to VP ]. Based off of this alone , using terrorism denotes violent action. By you comparing UHC to requiring terrorism you have voided your rebuttal. By promoting societal welfare we are also allowing room for more FFC. So in essence , by not affirming you are not achieveing the goal of FFC. Due to all of these reasons stated prior we urge you in the name of societal societal welfare to societal advancement and the societal advancement allowing for more FFC achieved by implementing UHC , the PRO strongly urges that you affirm the resolution.

  • PRO

    Hopefully I can hear Con's rebuttal next round. ......

    Last Universal Ancestor/Common Descent of ALL species.

    Well, that's too bad I thought this debate was going good. Hopefully I can hear Con's rebuttal next round. Arguments extended.

  • PRO

    I hope to see you on this site again, you were looking...

    Last Universal Ancestor/Common Descent of ALL species.

    It's better to fight a bit rather than avoid reality. When reality and tuth is threatening it's an automatic loss. I hope to see you on this site again, you were looking for sure. Arguments extended.

  • PRO

    The earliest recorded form of this type of punishment as...

    Capital Punishment should be abolished as a form of legal punishment.

    Resolution I will be arguing that capital punishment (also known to some as the death penalty) should be banned and abolished as a form of punishment worldwide, with action presumably from the United Nations or other higher political powers. Definitions Capital Punishment: Also known as the death penalty, death sentence, or execution. Capital punishment is a form of government sanctioned and approved form of legal punishment that can be caused by certain crimes varying by country. These crimes are usually, but not limited to (first degree) murder, terrorism, etc. (1) Abolished: To put an end to or eliminated as a whole. In this situation, Capital Punishment should be stopped worldwide and prohibited by all government organizations. (2) Legal Punishment: Punishments justified by the law and crime committed. (3) ~ Main Argument Capital Punishment has existed for almost all of recorded human history. Originating from certain resolutions that might be reached to justify certain events or crimes, so to say. These were often classified or known as blood feuds and generally involved tribe members bringing death upon somebody who has done something significantly wrong to warrant such action (1). The earliest recorded form of this type of punishment as a law was the 18th century B.C.E. in the Code of King Babylon which warranted capital punishment for several types of crimes. Early forms of recorded punishment types include crucifixion, drowning, beating to death being burnt alive or impalement. Although modern ways have changed drastically, capital punishment is still an ancient punishment and should be abolished due to its severity and general inhumaneness. (2) Capital Punishment is also against the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights which was proclaimed by the United Nations General Assembly in 1948. Article 3 clearly states that all humans have the right to life, being the right to not be killed for any reason whatsoever. By administering Capital Punishment, the government or its legal agencies are provoking the convict of their basic human rights to live. This forced death essentially kills the person and leaves them no other choice other than to accept the punishment or appeal through highly complex worldwide legal systems that result in similar conclusions. Article 5 of the same document also states that everybody (all humans) “shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment”. (5) Capital punishment is a highly degrading and cruel form of punishment, and can sometimes lead to torture. Early forms of capital punishment were administered in front of a general public, although nowadays they are usually administered in private, there are still humans watching the process and being strapped in and either being electrocuted, gassed or given lethal injection is highly degrading. Capital Punishment is also morally wrong. Capital Punishment is also an example dating back to early times of the informal fallacy that another wrong of the same degree cancels out the previous wrongdoing. This relates to the proverb “two wrongs don’t make a right”. (6). Capital Punishment is generally and mostly administered for first-degree murder, but isn’t killing a person for killing a person just sending out the message that it’s perfectly acceptable of killing a person? Say someone just committed the crime of killing somebody. Then a close friend of that victim decides that the murderer should receive the same punishment and decides to shoot the murderer. Does that mean that the 2nd murder is justified and the second murderer should be exempt of all legal consequences? No! Under our current legal system, the second person will also be subject to legal consequences, though possibly alleviated (to manslaughter) (7). Capital Punishment is essentially the same thing except administered by the government, why should this be allowed then? The current systems are contributing to the problem by virtually condoning murder and the intentional killing of people, this just emphasizes the already existent problem. In conclusion, by abolishing capital punishment, fewer people will die each year, prehistoric and illogical ways will be abolished, and the essential Human Rights of certain people can be regained. Thank you. Sources (1): https://en.wikipedia.org... (2): http://www.merriam-webster.com... (3): http://plato.stanford.edu... (4): http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org... (5): http://www.un.org... (6): https://en.wikipedia.org... (7): https://en.wikipedia.org...

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  • PRO

    This is because economic development is a necessary...

    Universal standards of labour and business are not suited to the race for development

    Developing countries are in a race to develop their economies. The prioritisation of countries that are not currently developed is different to the priorities of developed countries as a result of their circumstances and they must be allowed to temporarily push back standards of labour and business until they achieve a level playing field with the rest of the world. This is because economic development is a necessary precondition for many of the kinds of labour standards enjoyed in the west. For there to be high labour standards there clearly needs to be employment to have those standards. Undeveloped countries are reliant upon cheap, flexible, labour to work in factories to create economic growth as happened in China. In such cases the comparative advantage is through their cheap labour. If there had been high levels of government imposed labour standards and working conditions then multinational firms would never have located their factories in the country as the cost of running them would have been too high.[1] Malaysia for example has struggled to contain activity from the Malaysian Trades Union Congress to prevent their jobs moving to China[2] as the competition does not have labour standards so helping keep employment cheap.[3] [1] Fang, Cai, and Wang, Dewen, ‘Employment growth, labour scarcity and the nature of China’s trade expansion’, http://epress.anu.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/ch09.pdf, p.145, 154 [2] Rasiah, Rajah, ‘The Competitive Impact of China on Southeast Asia’s Labor Markets’, Development Research Series, Research Center on Development and International Relations, Working Paper No.114, 2002, http://vbn.aau.dk/files/33796055/DIR_wp_114.pdf P.32 [3] Bildner, Eli, ‘China’s Uneven Labor Revolution’, The Atlantic, 11 January 2013, http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/01/chinas-uneven-labor-revolution/267041/

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  • CON

    They are, at least in principle, historically and...

    Bush Derangement Syndrome should be officially classified in the DSM for mental illness

    Solarman, your attempt at critiquing the extreme left, no matter how valid it may or may not be, is entirely undermined when you simultaneously make ridiculous statements like "I really beleive [sic] that it should be classified as a mental illness in the DSM. this is NOT a joke. I am DEAD SERIOUS about this." You just make your own arguments seem ridiculous when you engage in such hyperbole. Exaggerating your criticisms to such extremes makes you seem to observers to be "foaming at the mouth"at least as much as those you critique. If you really want to convince anyone of anything at all, you would be wise to seek the "high ground" and be reasoned, moderate, balanced, and calm in your criticism, rather than responding to hate with more hate. Let's be clear about this. Real mental illnesses are not sociologically unique. They are, at least in principle, historically and culturally universal. "Bush Derangement Syndrome" is specifically about a particular 21st-century politician--George W. Bush--and that in itself, regardless of any other issue, makes it inappropriate and useless for inclusion in the DSM, regardless of the other facts of the matter. Suppose there were a lot of people in the 1st century B.C. who'd been driven to apparent "derangement" by their hatred of Julius Caesar, going to ridiculous excesses in criticizing him--would that justify including "Julius Caesar Derangement Syndrome" in the DSM? The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders is not just some trivia book listing every mistaken or exaggerated belief which anyone has ever subscribed to. All of your arguments thus far have been beside-the-point, factually questionable, logically unconnected, rambling, and full of hate ("clinically insane dumbocraps"? are you serious?), hero worship (why should it matter if Bush is a "very genuinely nice person"? most good people would make terrible presidents), and blatant partisanship ("the leftist agruments [sic] are by their very nature, non-logical and nonsensical, or just plain evil"?)--and pretty much everything _except_ even a smidgen of an attempt at the level of discipline and neutrality which even the soft sciences, like psychology, make. Your conclusions simply fail to follow from any of your premises, even ignoring how dubious many of those premises ("Stalinist tactics"? really now?) are. Your digressions, ranting, and overgeneralizations destroy your own argument much more effectively than I ever could. That aside, I wish you a very merry Christmas as well, and a happy New Year! :)

  • CON

    Introduction: First, I would like to thank the organizer...

    The U.S. should privatize health insurance.

    Introduction: First, I would like to thank the organizer of the tournament @1harderthanyouthink for hosting this for us. Secondly, I would like to congratulate my opponent, @Greg4586, for reaching the finals. It has been a long run, and let’s make this debate as memorable as possible. Framework: Con must argue that the U.S. should fully privatize health insurance. The resolution states that, “The U.S. should privatize Health Insurance.” As long as there is public health insurance (medicaid, medicare), U.S. health insurance is not privatized. To fulfil my role in the debate, I must argue that privatization is a bad thing. This is sufficient to negate the truth of the resolution. A Market Driven System: A good health insurance is not based upon profit generation and stock improving, but the health care for the citizens of a nation. Privatization, by definition, means, “The transfer of ownership, property or business from the government to the private sector is termed privatization.” Dr. Shah states that, “[T]he five largest health insurance companies--WellPoint, UnitedHealth, Aetna, Humana, and Cigna...earned over $3.3 billion in profits...It’s no surprise these enormous earnings are not going towards improving access to health care for the families they cover. Instead, they go towards protecting the narrow self-interests of their stockholders, board members, and top executives. WellPoint alone spent $67 million on lobbying over the last 3 years and paid their CEO, Angela Braly, $13 million in 2010. They also spent $21.6 billion dollars of patient premiums to buy back its own stock from 2003 through 2010, pushing the price of the stock options their executives and board members own still higher.” (1) The clear goal of corporations is to generate money and please the shareholders. Governments, however, do not have the same profit-seeking goals as corporations. When health insurance is turned over to private companies in full, health insurance payment becomes a series of rate hikes to increase the net worth of the company. As a result of profit-seeking, not everyone is able to afford health insurance. Note that the #1 leading cause of bankruptcy is an inability to afford medical bills. (2) People often have to change their entire way of life to acclimate to the costs of health insurance. According to Shah, “A 2007 survey by the Commonwealth Fund found that...10 percent changed their way of life to pay medical bills...an estimated 28 million adults reported they used up all their savings, 21 million incurred large credit card debt, and another 21 million were unable to pay for basic necessities. And yet sixty-one percent of those with medical debt or bill problems were insured at the time care was provided.” (1) Public Health Insurance: The most successful healthcare systems in the world are not private systems. According to (3), of the top 50 health care systems in the world, only 10 are not universal systems that heavily involve government funding. The most success (France) is extremely public. What France has that we don’t, is a system largely reliant on government funding, and an almost full reimbursement system on all medical expenses. Public health insurance works, considering the fact that the #1 rated system in the world is 77% public (4). Private Healthcare, as I have previously stated, relies heavily on payments from the insured. The main motives of corporations is to generate profit, even if it means forgoing quality. As the rates continue to increase (because it makes the company more money), a lesser percentage of the general populous can afford healthcare. When the rate of health insured citizens starts to go down, collateral damage is what follows. (5) Shows us that a total of 13% of the population is without health insurance. The result, is a stunning ranking of 42nd in world life expectancy (6). If you look at that source closely, Japan, who is ranked 3rd, has public health insurance. Also, our good friend France is ranked at 15th; their citizens live 2 years longer than ours do. There is no doubt that a correlation between the rate of the uninsured and the life expectancy of citizens in a country exists. Employment: Often in the employment field, companies sponsor a specific health insurance provider, and that is detrimental to the work satisfaction and performance of employees. This process is better known as “Job Lock.” Job Lock is pernicious to entrepreneurship and innovation. “To most health economists, “job lock,” the idea that workers work more or face constraints in job mobility due to provision of work-related health insurance, is a real and important phenomenon.” (7) When people are forced into working for a company because of the cost of private health insurance, it decreases their job satisfaction, and limits their potential in their career. At the workplace, especially in economically troubled areas, there might be employees who are not fully insured. When there is an outbreak of a contagious virus, uninsured employees could possibly spread it to other workers, and even people around them. Employees may not be able to perform at top capability because of a chronic illness or infectious virus because of their lack of medical attention. This all circles back around to the fact that private health insurance does not fully cover the population, and public health insurance does. What public health insurance does is negate Job Lock, because there is no Employer Sponsored Health Insurance, and there is no incentive to find cheaper health insurance of better quality. Public health insurance covers everyone in the nation, and there is no excessive expense aimed at the citizens. Cost > Effectiveness: Our country, 42nd in the world in life expectancy and 13% of our population uninsured, spent 2.8 trillion dollars on health insurance in 2012 (8), more than any country in the world. Private health insurance is not only forcing our country to spend more than any other country in health insurance, but it does not even work properly. This graph shows us that countries heavily dependent on government funding in health insurance are spending trillions less annually than the U.S., which has mostly private health insurance. Therefore, privatized health insurance is not a viable option, and it is not worth spending on; 13% of our nation is without health insurance. Conclusion: I have fulfilled my role in the debate, and gained the eligibility to receive votes in my favor by providing reasons substantial enough to negate the truthfulness of the resolution. Thank you, once again, @1harderthanyouthink and @Greg4586. Vote Con! 1) http://www.drsforamerica.org... 2) http://www.cnbc.com... 3) http://thepatientfactor.com... 4) https://en.wikipedia.org... 5) http://kff.org... 6) https://www.cia.gov... 7) http://theincidentaleconomist.com... 8) http://www.chcf.org... 9) Chart: https://epianalysis.files.wordpress.com...

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  • CON

    Of course, currently, private schools are very expensive...

    Essential services should be socialized, and privatized services should be regulated.

    Please note that my basic argument is against socialization of any privately produced goods or services and so my examples of capitalism will only be those which are strictly free market examples and that otherwise I shall use logic to support my virtually laissez-faire position as there have not yet been any completely laissez-faire economies to draw from and the only nation that came close was the early U.S which was still ripe with cronyism (http://mises.org...). To begin with your first premise, I must disagree with what you consider essential services. Essential services should be services which protect the individual rights of personal property, choice, and justice thus meaning that essential government services would be those of the police (domestic protection), courts (justice), and military (protection from foreign invasion). This definition of essential services should not be extended to services which can and should be provided by private industry such as healthcare, education, food/housing, and transportation. There are plenty of private healthcare companies in the U.S. that not only provide good healthcare but can also profit from it including Cleveland Clinic (http://en.wikipedia.org...), Mayo Clinic, and others (http://www.forbes.com...). The reason that this should be handled by private industry and free markets rather than the government is that the free market system encourages competition for the patronage of the market thanks to profit incentive and self interest. This competition results in private industry trying to provide the best possible good or service for the lowest possible price. This is why people in the U.S. today are much healthier and live much longer than we did in the 1700s, it has not been because of big government, if government could realistically and effectively provide socialized healthcare, it would have happened by now and vast numbers of people in the U.S. would be flying to places like Cuba and Canada for healthcare. As it is, at least in Canada"s case, they"re coming here for their healthcare (http://www.forbes.com... page 3). Private industry can also cheaply cover education. Of course, currently, private schools are very expensive while public schools(K-12) are not from an out of pocket point of view. However, the reason for this is that public education exists. Because the government has set up a public education system which from an out of pocket perspective is virtually free, that has driven the lower cost private schools off the market leaving only the high rate private institutions. Now one would tend to wonder, "If it"s so cheaply provided by government then why shouldn't"t it stay public?" The answer is that it is not really as cheap as it appears. For public schooling, you don"t have to pay out of pocket for the education of your children, it is paid for by taxes. These taxes however don"t just come from the individuals who send their children to school, but also from those who do not have children, or whose children are not old enough to attend school. Also, just to get a sense of the cost on U.S. citizens from the federal level, the DoE spent about $72.8 billion on K-12 education (http://www.downsizinggovernment.org...) and when factoring in dead weight losses, or the taxman"s fee as I call it, which range between 20 cents to 1 dollar more taxed for every dollar spent (http://www.downsizinggovernment.org...), then the actual cost in terms of money taxed is between $87.36 billion and $145.6 billion which figures out to about $276.46 per person at the low end, and $460.76 at the high end (http://www.census.gov...). Of course, not all of this comes from taxes because quite a large portion of all federal spending comes from deficit spending which can also be harmful as explained by Salim Furth of the Heritage Foundation (http://www.heritage.org...). As to food and housing, it should be quite obvious as to how private industry can provide those as this area of the market has likely been privately run since the founding of the U.S. and when we compare nations in which the free market is allowed to produce and distribute food and housing to those where it isn't, we find that the free market societies have more higher quality of both than socialist societies, the U.S. when compared with the USSR is a perfect example of this. Transportation also belongs in the free market. Examples of successful privately run transportation systems include Heathrow Airport in London, air traffic control in Canada, and some highways in France (http://www.cato.org...). Another reason that free markets should run transportation is because if the government can control transportation, or any market really, it acts like a permanent monopoly on the good or service and when someone has a permanent monopoly, then competition disappears and inefficient production and distribution as well as poor quality products result and the monopolist can use its power to control people as a quote from Leon Trotsky revealed In a country where the sole employer is the state, opposition means death by slow starvation. The old principle, who does not work shall not eat, has been replaced by a new one: who does not obey shall not eat. As to my opponent"s second premise, I agree in that the mentioned services should be part of the free market. As to the third premise, legal regulation is not necessary because it is not in the best interest of a business to defraud its employees or customers because of competition. By defrauding them, the employees and customers will begin to look for another more competitive source of work and products leaving the business who defrauded them to fail. Also, environmental regulation would not be necessary in a free market society because there is still the court service, which I mentioned above in my answer to premise 1, to help to determine if property damage was incurred and how much compensation must be provided for the damage. This is one of the beauties of the capitalist system, property rights. As long as a business continues to do property damage by harming the environment, it will continue to face lawsuits which even if not all successful, will still raise operating costs by having to divert capital to corporate lawyers and court fees thus creating an incentive for the business to look into ways of preventing environmental damage and creating a new market in more efficient and more environmentally sound producer and consumer goods. The last regulation you mention is regulation against monopolies which also is not necessary because monopolies are unlikely in a free market where little other regulation exists and taxes are low because of the constantly growing wealth and the changing face of the market due to new innovations and investments. This changing market thus results in frequent destruction of old industries and markets and creation of new ones forcing businesses to continue to adapt and keeping competition alive thus preventing monopolies naturally. Also, even in the unlikely event of a monopoly forming naturally on the free market, it is not certain to last for too long because of this changing market. This monopoly of the old market will still be threatened by the potential competition of the current one and the innovations of tomorrow"s market making it difficult to sustain a monopoly and if they can sustain it through producing innovations which make their products better or cheaper, then there is no need to worry about the monopoly.

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  • CON

    I thank my opponent for the interesting topic. Burden of...

    Quebec Should Form it's Own Sovreign Nation

    I thank my opponent for the interesting topic. Burden of proof: My opponent, as the instigator and the one who is advocating for change from the status quo, has the burden of proof. Framework: My opponent seems to be arguing that the round should be weighed based on what policy action is most beneficial to the citizens of Quebec. I accept this standard, but further assert that my opponent must also defend the implications of allowing secessions. The topic says "Quebec should form," not "Canada should allow," so secession should be assumed. Definitions: Quebec, according to Princeton's Wordnet, is a province in Canada. Sovereign nation: a nation that governs itself and is independent from other nations. [1] Refuting my opponent's case: He says: "Quebec is often referred [spelling corrected from original] to as ‘A Nation within a Nation.'" I will prove that there are dangers to taking metaphorical language literally. For example, hopefully a child will not take the following statement literally: "you look so happy you could fly." My opponent points out that French speakers are a majority in Quebec. If language majorities are a sufficient reason for a province or city to become its own sovereign nation, then all the Chinatowns in the U.S. should become their own sovereign nations. Any area in California, Arizona, or Texas that has a majority of Spanish speakers should become its own nation. California, when Spanish speakers eventually overtake English speakers, should secede from the Union and potentially rejoin Mexico. His logic is a very slippery slope. In addition, my opponent makes it seem like these French speakers are isolated from the rest of Canada, by virtue of the language they speak. However, it is a legal requirement that they all learn English, so they are actually all bilingual. Claude Belanger of Marianopolis College says, "Bilingualism is both a legal requirement and a fact of life in Quebec." [2] My opponent seems to be advocating that these Francophones not learn English. This would, however, put them at a huge competitive disadvantage when most of their trading partners and business opportunities would be in nearby English speaking areas. In addition, English is the language of international business. People in many other countries would die for the opportunity to learn English, since it opens up so many opportunities. Creating a situation where French speakers in Quebec are encouraged not to learn English would actually have detrimental impacts for the people of Quebec. Building my case: 1. Border security/passports If Quebec became its own nation, it would have to issue passports to its own citizens and it might even require that its citizens renounce Canadian citizenship. This would make it either difficult or impossible to work outside the province and commute back-and-forth. In addition, it would choke off commerce and business dealings between Quebec and the rest of Canada, since businessmen will find it more difficult to travel to Quebec if they must go through border security and present a passport. Many businesses would begin to locate outside of Quebec, for convenience's sake. In addition, tariffs would make it more difficult to trade. If Quebec were to adopt its own currency, this would further exacerbate the problems. This is a move in the wrong direction. For example, the Eurozone has successfully made itself more prosperous by REMOVING barriers to trade, such as eliminating tariffs and adopting one currency (the Euro). Becoming a sovereign nation with its own passports, tariffs, and currency would make trade between Quebec and Canada more difficult, choking off much economic activity. 2. The cost of secession If Quebec were to secede from Canada, it would suddenly need to pay a number of costs, such as the bureaucracy costs of forming its own sovereign government (such as setting up a tax collection system), as well as the costs for social services, such as universal health care. Quebec would actually be worse off in this regard because its citizens are poorer than the average citizens in Canada, meaning that they currently enjoy a disproportionate share of social services. According to Quebec's official immigration site, the average income in Quebec is $17,740, versus $19,310 for Canada generally (in 2005 US $). [3] If Quebec left Canada, its citizens would receive fewer (and lower quality) social services because they cannot afford the same living standards that Canada currently provides to them. 3. Civil War The United States' Civil War began when the South tried to secede from the Union. It can be assumed that Canada would not look favorably upon Quebec's breach of Canadian sovereignty and authority. A Canadian civil war would result in countless unnecessary and preventable deaths. Because Quebec's citizens would clearly be worse off from secession, I urge a vote for the con.

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  • CON

    However, I responded to this by returning to my source,...

    Novice Tournament R1: The United States should implement a system of Single Payer health care.

    1 – Free Market System Stands As I stated in my last rebuttal, my opponent cannot attack this system by pointing to flaws in the status quo, as the status quo in America is not a free market system. However, my opponent attempted to justify that it is – yet he glossed over the reasons as to why we’re not a free market system by simply stating they weren’t significant enough. He referenced a quotation from my previous rebuttal, which I have bolded for emphasis, “The thing to remember in America is that we have single-payer health care for the elderly and for the poor: the two costliest groups. In addition, the relatively healthy middle class has heavily-subsidized private health insurance, in which few individuals have the freedom to choose the insurance plan they receive.”11 His response was, “while fair claims, do not invalidate the US as having a predominantly free market system”. In fact these claims do invalidate that – we’re taking choice away from the middle class, a major tenant of a free market system, and implementing a single-payer system (the opposite of a free market system) for the groups that cost us the most. Pro then claimed that under the ACA – America’s version of a universal health care system – there exists an online market. However, simply put, America is not a free market system because individuals do not have proper control over their own money and their own plans. This is reflected in the rationing argument. My opponent refuted my rationing argument with, “health care inevitably must be rationed under any system”. The issue with a Single-Payer system is that the rationing of care is no longer controlled by individuals, power is taken away from them as the government rations care. Thus, my opponent has failed to adequately attack my original point on the benefits of having a free market system and my arguments as to how it benefits autonomy and entrepreneurship stand. 2 – Government is the Biggest Threat to Entrepreneurship Originally, Pro attempted to turn my source about the threats to entrepreneurship against me, claiming it showed private insurance harmed entrepreneurship. Pro then construed this to show that a free market system harms entrepreneurship more because it involves private insurance. However, I responded to this by returning to my source, which clearly states that the government is by far the greatest threat to entrepreneurship, thus making a strong case against a Single-Payer system if we value entrepreneurship3. If government involvement is the worst for entrepreneurship, than a free market system better protects for it as it removes the government. Along with this argument is the one of doctor satisfaction and while my opponent claims I conceded that, “empirical data unequivocally shows that nations with Single Payer have higher doctor satisfaction rates” this is far from true. The issue is that the data does not prove that doctor satisfaction is only controlled by if a country has a Single-Payer system or not, and I brought up the example of Switzerland to illustrate how doctor satisfaction is simply something that varies between countries, regardless of their system. My opponent tried to counter by saying Switzerland is an example of Single-Payer; however, it is actual one of the model free market systems11. Given that my free market arguments still stand, I already win as I’ve shown that the U.S. shouldn’t implement a Single-Payer system as it harms autonomy and entrepreneurship. However, I will go on to address the further points of clash that give more reason to negate. Starting by re-evaluating how the Canadian system is severely flawed. 3 – Quality of Care The issue of wait times is a very serious one to consider when evaluating the Canadian system of care. Addressing this, Pro claims that “Canada is not “blocking access to care;” it still has universal coverage for every citizen, plus wait times what the majority of experts call “reasonable.” “ First, he is mistakenly equating having universal coverage (health insurance for all) with having health care. The issue with Canada’s system is that the large amount of coverage means that people are limited in how they can access their care. Returning to my original statistics, this is reflected in how 928,120 Canadians were waiting for surgeries in 20139. My opponent claims this is what the majority of experts call “reasonable”; however, returning to the Fraiser Institute’s reflection, “Canada is effectively reneging on its promise of universal health care for those citizens forced to endure these long waits … These lengthy delays have real and important effects on Canadians’ health and well being, imposing pain and suffering, mental anguish, lost productivity at work and leisure, and possibly even disability and death.”9 Furthermore, note that my point from my case about people being placed in inappropriate care has stood unattacked so this also flows through to show why the care under the Canadian system is undesirable. 4 – Costs This has been one of the greatest points of clash as to the value of the Canadian system, but you must see the Pro loses it. My opponent opened his summary on this issue by stating, “I did not disregard my opponent’s statistic about Canada’s health care inflation”; yet, he does. He dismissed it due to its source originally, and after I clarified this he left it untouched. He simply returns to his statistics about current expenditure per GDP and fails to address the current trends we see in spending. What my evidence has shown is that Canada is on a highly unsustainable spending path, by 2017 six provinces are predicted to be spending at least half of their revenue on health care14. In comparison, the United States has recently slowed its spending to a monumentally low growth rate, and this has been contributed to the implementation of ACA8. These numbers directly illustrate how the Canadian system encourages rapid, unsustainable spending. The point of this was to show that even if a Universal Health Care system is preferred, the Canadian system ought not serve as a model, urging a Con ballot as Pro’s side is flawed. Finally I will close by addressing: 5 – Obligation to Insure Important to regard with this point, is that my opponent never addressed the logical inconsistency I highlighted in his case, where he simultaneously claims we have an obligation to provide health insurance because, “Access to health care directly dictates our quality of life and ultimately our freedom” and that wait times don’t matter because, “… wait times have nothing to do with overall health outcomes” He is claiming both that we need to have access to care to ensure a good life, and that not being able to efficiently access care doesn’t affect our lives. He cannot uphold both of these claims as they contradict each other. Furthermore on this point, my opponent continues to draw the issue of the uninsured out of proportion. He never addressed my attack as to who the uninsured actually are, yet I talked about how statistically half will become insured within a year, 3-6 million of the poor who are uninsured falsely reported so and that a majority of the middle class and “young invincibles” who are uninsured chose to be so13. These numbers are largely significant. Furthermore, looking back at wait times – forcing all of these people into a Single-Payer system causes the government to ration care which reduces everyone’s access to care. This does a great disservice to all of the citizens. Thus we can see that there is no obligation to force a Single-Payer system to “save the 48 million who are uninsured”.

  • CON

    there has been nothing shown that chess would need...

    Chess, with additional tournament rules, should be an Olympic sport.

    While there is a "physical" aspect to chess (even which my opponent agrees "I grant that it would be on the low end for Olympic sports, but it is still present.") there has been nothing shown that chess would need anything more then a basic stamina. That a player with with excellent stamina would have any advantage over a player with decent stamina. The true game lies within the players mental abilities and in all most every match. While chess is a great game and I am proud to be a co-founder of the chess team at my high school (which became #2 in the state in our 4th year, after I had graduated) and have the utmost respect for it. I must acknowledge that the game is not one for the Olympics, as much Beethoven doesn't belong in the Rock and Roll hall of fame, even though his music was truly great. P.S. My personal favorite is the Deep Blue matches.

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  • CON

    Right to Life: Pro makes an excellent and impassioned...

    The Death Penalty Should Be Abolished

    Right to Life: Pro makes an excellent and impassioned “Right to Life” argument, however it flies wholly in the face of justice. Were everyone to have an inalienable right to Life, Liberty, etc, incarceration for an individual through due process could never occur. I am confident Pro had no means to allow carte blanche destruction, but were we to use only what Pro has presented as the entirety of right to life, there is no rule of law! No one in the pursuit of happiness is entitled, morally or legally, the allowance to harm others, though as Pro has structured this argument that is the take away, as any act that restricts said would be a violation of human rights. In examination of the sources presented, we have the Universal Declaration of Rights from the United Nations. In it, article 30 states: “Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.” (source provided by Pro). Logically, this is to mean that the rights outlined can only apply to those whom agree with and follow the articles as a standard. Those that fall outside the scope of obedience to the articles must be dealt with to protect those that do. Pro also goes on to use Thomas Jefferson and his hand in the Founding Documents as a means to half of an argument. Thomas Jefferson was in clear favor of the death penalty, and understood crime and punishment. In his papers, Thomas Jefferson outlines what he feels are appropriate punishments for crimes, should they seek to impugn on the rights of others: “For rendering crimes and punishments therefore more proportionate to each other: Be it enacted by the General assembly that no crime shall be henceforth punished by deprivation of life or limb except those hereinafter ordained to be so punished. If a man do levy war against the Commonwealth or be adherent to the enemies of the commonwealth giving to them aid or comfort in the commonwealth, or elsewhere, and thereof be convicted of open deed, by the evidence of two sufficient witnesses, or his own voluntary confession, the said cases, and no others, shall be adjudged treasons which extend to the commonwealth, and the person so convicted shall suffer death by hanging, and shall forfiet his lands and goods to the Commonwealth. If any person commit Petty treason, or a husband murder his wife, a parent his child, or a child his parent, he shall suffer death by hanging, and his body be delivered to Anatomists to be dissected. Whosoever committeth murder by poisoning shall suffer death by poison. Whosoever committeth murder by way of duel, shall suffer death by hanging; and if he were the challenger, his body, after death, shall be gibbeted. He who removeth it from the gibbet shall be guilty of a misdemeanor; and the officer shall see that it be replaced. Whosoever shall commit murder in any other way shall suffer death by hanging.” (1) Pro has argued greatly why murder should be illegal for their first prong. Not why a penalty should be abolished. Mind over Matter: With regards to Con’s referencesto psychological damage as a means for a ban, they fall flat. 1) On the matter of the perpetrator’s family, source 4 from Pro does not enforce this, as it is about VICTIM’S rights (Titled “Dignity Denied: The Experience of Murder Victims’ Family Members Who Oppose the Death Penalty”). Pro highlights, again, excellent reasons for not committing crimes: those you love, and those whom depend upon you suffer. The problems that Pro highlights, though, are true at any level of incarceration, to varying degrees. A ban on one and not the others would simply be arbitrary preference. 2) Psychological effect on the executioner refers to a policy change. Humans since the dawn of time have invented machines with which to kill each other outside the bounds of law. As morbid as it is, there is no reason why we can’t devise a timed device to deliver a sentence to blunt any potential psychological effects. 3) Psychological effects to the criminal due to being on “death row” as described could include keeping them as part of general population. With regards to the rest of the arguments on this tangent, I would like to remind the reading audience that this IS prison. It is not meant to be fun. It is not meant to be easy. And with special exception, the perpetrator in question has already engaged in heinous act to get there. Disturbing: On the matter of those found mentally ill, Pro plays fast and loose with wording and intent. Mental illness comes in a variety of form and fashion, the presence of which is only really investigated if that was the cause of the crime, or if such illness prevents the defendant from being competent enough to understand the process they are going through. Bulimia is a mental illness, though even if professionally diagnosed, one would be hard pressed to declare a person unfit for trial due to an eating disorder, especially if the defendant plotted to kill multiple people over something unrelated, such as money. Regardless, a trial cannot progress unless the defendant is deemed competent, this does NOT mean that a sentence cannot be enacted against said convict should the competency fade, or that a death sentence cannot be specifically enacted if the acts occurred as a result of the illness. If the person whom perpetrated the acts is a threat to society, as a sense of justice, it is incumbent to ensure that said person is no longer a threat to society, and the threat should be neutralized down to a tolerable risk… but was is that threshold? I entreat the reading audience to keep this in mind. Cannot be Undone, and the Crux: The most difficult rebuttal would be those regarding a sentence against those whom were later found innocent. I suggest that a policy change of how the death penalty is practiced could correct this minute in number but large in heart-break situation. Con will not argue that in the past, lack of evidence hasn’t led to miscarriages of justice. That was the frailty of the technology at the time, as well as potentially biased members of the court system. Instead, given the nature of appeals extended to condemned criminals, that such an appeals process also come with a minimum time frame with which new evidence and technology could be availed. This would still enable those pleading guilty to find justice, as well as those pleading innocent but wrongfully held to gather additional resources should they come about. Now, as Pro outlined, the numbers of unjustly executed or jailed individuals is reasonably small, the chances of such an occurrence are VERY rare, but should those odds come to fruition, its heart breaking. That is to say, its “deplorable”. Even though every precaution has been taken, bad things happen. I asked the reading audience to keep something in mind: is the risk of keeping those alive those that are a danger to society greater than the chance of an innocent man being put to death? Con suggests that Pro is attempting to deal in pleas to emotional and form absolutes to form them as a means to argument, summarized that if something has even the most remote of negative chances (that result in death), it should be banned. However, keeping life time convicts that could very well kill again (and have! [2]) poses just as solemn a risk, and by the same argument logic Pro suggests, should be put to death. Pro’s final justification is one that becomes self-defeating in application. http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu... http://www.prodeathpenalty.com...

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  • CON

    Rebuttal E1) This is an ad hominem by PRO. I am not...

    Bestiality/Zoophilia should be legal and is not inherently immoral

    Rebuttal E1) This is an ad hominem by PRO. I am not "complaining", I am rebutting unclear and inaccurate assertions by PRO. E2) I now recognize PRO defining bestiality, although PRO left it open to interpretation by stating that "some other people make distinctions between these terms". I recognize PRO defining consent, but do not recognize that term as defined by PRO as having any real significance in this debate, as PRO has clearly stated that informed consent is much more relevant to the issue of legality, which per the resolution is the primary issue of this debate. E3) PRO believes that practicality is irrelevant to law. I would be rather frightened by any budgetary proposal that PRO would choose to enact, if he were given the power to enact any. Practical concerns must be considered in any legal matter. PRO states that CON's "previous attempt [at negating the resolution] has been thoroughly destroyed" without stating how. Such a statement is indicative of the absolutely vacuous nature of PRO's unfortunately verbose argumentation. My conclusion from Rounds #2, and #3 stand uncontested. E4) We can look at every single kind of food and deem it "unnecessary for survival" but this does not change the fact that food is necessary for survival, and meat is a type of food. Taken in aggregate, especially given the large quantities of meat consumed, not consuming meat would lead to lower survivability for humanity. Bestiality in any form however is not necessary for survival. E5) PRO believes he has "demonstrated logically that consent is possible and given specific examples of how it can be communicated in real life," completely ignoring that CON has provided counter-examples that show "reasonable doubt" in whether or not an animal was actually communicating consent. By ignoring CON's counter-examples, PRO drops the validity of his own examples. Furthermore, there is the very real practical issue of having animals testify in court. PRO does not address this practical issue, making his advocacy supremely impractical. PRO needs to work on clarity. There is no "negation of the two universal statements labeled 1. and 2," because PRO did not label any of his statements "universal". I have no idea to what PRO is referring. R1) PRO states that "the basic intentions and attitudes of animals are communicable to humans and therefore their consent to any given interaction is also implicitly available." PRO again does not address the issue of reasonable doubt as to whether or not the animal actually communicated intent for sexual activity, especially in the situation of the human initiating the activity. PRO then states that "communication of the information comprising informed consent is also not utilized by the law." This is absolutely ridiculous. In medical issues, informed consent is communicated via written agreement. In matters of sex, "the only way to be sure is to ask." http://www.pamf.org... I can imagine the response someone would get if they ask a dog whether or not they want to have sex. It most certainly would not involve verbal consent. R2) PRO believes informed consent is a strawman, and by doing so, drops the argument. PRO then makes the false statement that my syllogism was not categorical. There were no examples in my statement and it covered general circumstances; my statements were thus categorical. PRO's specific examples of consent by animals were most definitely not categorical. By stating "If the law sees no interaction with animals as consensual the law is incorrect," PRO is destroying the credibility of his own position in this debate by doubting the law, considering that this debate centered around legality. CON has demonstrated counter-examples that cast reasonable doubt on PRO's examples, which PRO has dropped. PRO has also not provided any categorical statements in regards to the nature of animal consent. R3) PRO is asking if a dog would notice someone raping it: "Well I’ll let the voters decide if a dog would notice someone humping them." Of course a dog would notice, but by that point, it's too late, isn't it? The dog has already been raped. The entire matter is to determine consent before potentially illicit activity begins. PRO fails to uphold burden here. PRO has not determined that consent can be categorically determined. His examples are weak and have been addressed and rebutted. R4) PRO believes that it is not necessary for purposes of determining legality for anyone to "recount for a court their decision and reasoning nor is that necessary." This is absolutely absurd. PRO does not at all recognize any practical aspect of law. PRO does not recognize any practical aspect of communication. PRO does not recognize any reasonable argumentation necessary for consent, and by doing so, fully contradicts and refutes the veracity of any "rationally ethical" position he may take on the resolution. R5) PRO's statement here is borderline criminal. PRO believes that when one has sex with someone, "only their perception is relevant," meaning that all we need to do to not rape is to think it's not rape. This is absolutely and totally absurd. Rape is rape, whether you think it is or not. It depends on whether or not the other party consented, not on the perception of the rapist. R6.2) First of all, PRO continues his ad hominem tirade and completely drops my argumentation and concedes there are parallels with hunting and military activity. Second, PRO's believes I have misinterpreted his statement, which is simply not true. If PRO finds it objectionable to kill those who have committed the “crime of being on the other side of a political conflict,” then PRO indeed "believes it is a crime to kill others "on the other side of a political conflict."" All of my argumentation in round #3 on this point (which PRO has completely dropped) applies. I ask that conduct be taken into account for PRO's repeated ad hominems against valid argumentation. PRO has dropped civil debate in exchange for petty name calling, a sure sign of a vacuous position by PRO. R7) PRO brings in the totally irrelevant point of statutory rape in order to detract from his dropping arguments on this point. Laws on rape apply to all citizens of a nation. R8) PRO has completely failed to uphold burden here. He has not proved that animals can demonstrate consent in a court of law. R9) PRO believes that "swear an oath or commit perjury or what not, those were strawmen," utterly failing to demonstrate how any legal provisions regarding bestiality can ever be practically enacted in a court of law. If it cannot be enacted, then there should be no legal provisions advocating for such. R10) PRO fails to demonstrate how one can have sex with a tree. For example, putting a penis into a hole in the wall does not constitute having sex with the wall. Neither a tree nor a wall has sexual organs. This line of argumentation by PRO is borderline trolling. R11) Empty bravado from PRO. Total failure to uphold BoP. R12) Again, PRO drops the point about animals being unable to consent to human initiation of sex with animals, which is the heart of CON's argumentation. By dropping CON's rebuttals and argumentation, PRO drops the veracity of his case. R13 and R14) Dropped by PRO. R15) PRO admits that "animals cannot reach a standard of information calibtrated [sic] to a general human populace," meaning that animals cannot viably communicate informed consent. PRO concedes his case (again) here. R16) PRO makes the ridiculous assertion that "all animal sex is rape." This is reductio ad absurdum...by this logic, all human sex would be rape as well, and consent would be impossible. CON has demonstrated the ease in which informed consent could be demonstrated amongst humans, and that animals may indeed be capable of informed consent, although they may not be able to demonstrate this capacity to humans in a court of law. CON has thus consistently maintained that interspecies communication regarding consent to sex must be categorically demonstrated by PRO. PRO has failed to uphold this burden. Consent cannot be determined in a court of law, so any instances of bestiality must be seen in a legal sense as non-consensual sex. Conclusion This has been a rather frustrating debate, mainly because despite PRO's verbosity, he almost totally and completely lacks any real argumentation. The only reason he won his prior debates was because his opponent forfeited. PRO's opening was rambling and exceptionally unclear, which did lead to CON missing some terms that PRO defined, and for that I apologize. Regardless, beyond length and verbosity, PRO does not have much going for his case other than weakly asserted examples (all of which were addressed) and the repeatedly unsubstantiated assertions of strawmanning. PRO completely dismisses the notion of legality, despite the clear wording of his resolution. It is not CON's role in this debate to provide burden, it is PRO's burden to fulfill. PRO has stated repeatedly that he will be unable to fulfill burden, and thus PRO deserves to lose this debate. Furthermore, upon cross-examination, PRO regressed to rather insulting ad hominem attacks, foregoing reasonable argumentation. I ask that conduct be taken into consideration. PRO has not even bothered to address CON's main point of argumentation, that: "One engaging in [bestiality] could then become accustomed to having sex with a non-consenting living being, and could indeed become desensitized enough to engage in such behavior with non-consenting human beings, which would indeed be the legal definition of rape." Rape is illegal, as should be bestiality. I thank readers for reading this long debate. I ask that readers take PRO's insulting remarks into consideration for scoring, and that readers keep in mind that burden of proof falls squarely on PRO for this debate, and that this debate centers around legality.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Bestiality-Zoophilia-should-be-legal-and-is-not-inherently-immoral/5/
  • CON

    Guns - are we referencing all guns or just hand guns, and...

    There should be no controls on private trade and use of small arms

    I accept this debate but my opponent needs to agree to spend the next round confirming and establishing framework for the debate. We need to come to an agreement on a few key points. 1. Guns - are we referencing all guns or just hand guns, and all ammunition or just basic. 2. "as long as they don't interfere in other peoples business" - what does this imply? No one would be against guns if individuals never used them to "interfere" as in killings,shootings, intimidation, war, or ect that involves others. 3.human right - we all know it to be an implied constitutional right but is pro going to defend self defense as inherent or univesal? or is he going to defend guns as a right? 4. power structure - please define, some hold corporations and institutions to be power structures, Finally, please state if the people you are referencing are All U.S. citizens, or an outside nation, or just adults in the U.S. If Pro can clear all these things up in round 2. I will simply state my agreement and we can start core arguments and the refutation in round 3

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/There-should-be-no-controls-on-private-trade-and-use-of-small-arms/1/
  • CON

    If they are fine with taking the risk to commit the...

    universal background checks r a common sense solution to gun violence

    The "doomsday" scenario as you call it is not irrelevant because you are ignoring the fact that the government is the entity deciding who is fit for gun ownership, and who is not. If they wanted to disarm the most well trained, and the most likely persons to own guns then they would do it as it would benefit them in case such a scenario were to happen. These people would most likely be veterans due to their military training, and their familiarity with firearms. It would be all to easy to have psychiatrist at the governments disposal to misdiagnose P.T.S.D. (Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome), and then use this as grounds to restrict gun ownership. The fact that the government is the one determining who is "fit" for gun ownership, and who isn"t proves the point is not irrelevant. z88;z88;z88;As for background checks we already have these in place (Vary state to state, but the Brady Bill and the current NICS system are examples). You are saying then that these background checks that are already in place don't work, so your solution is to add more filters? What more could you do that wouldn't restrict access to law abiding and mentally sound citizens, thereby violating their 2nd Amendment right? You are also assuming that people who intend to commit violent crimes are going to go through the legal parameters to obtain a firearm. If they are fine with taking the risk to commit the crime, then why wouldn't the same person be fine with taking the risk to gain the means to commit said crime? They wouldn't think twice about buying a gun off the street or through the deep web because they are already accepting the risk that comes with committing the violent crime they want the gun for. Also I'd like to point out that while you are not talking about banning guns that it doesn't matter if you ban guns or if you add more filters to the system, people are still going to kill people and in mass. China has mass stabbings happen frequently, and gun violence as well as non gun violence is still a very real problem in the UK. They still have mass stabbings and homicide. You have a human problem not a gun problem. Yes it is easier to kill someone with a gun than some other means, but the person behind the gun is ultimately the cause of the homicide. People are a product of their environment, and in a culture that surrounds our people with such poor influences it is no wonder why we have a problem with homicide, not just gun related deaths. z88;z88;z88; This is an argument based on logic and facts, not emotions. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to arm a populace so they can resist a tyrannical government (which it is), then by adding more filters to an already existing screen you would be restricting access of firearms to law abiding citizens who are mentally stable. I'm not saying you wouldn't filter SOME crazies through this screen, but you wouldn't catch all of them nor would you be doing the nation a favor. You would only be disrupting the balance of power between the state and the people, which is catastrophic. "It would be better to have whatever means necessary to control guns even if that meant inventories." So you're telling me then that the end justifies the means? The end being what? Safety from people who use firearms to commit violent crimes? If so you still would be ignoring stabbings, arson, and brute force while still not filtering every violent criminal out of the system. And then the means would be allowing the government access to the information of who owns guns, how many do they own, and where are they. You would still be disregarding criminals who won't register guns or go through any screens to obtain one, but you would still be accepting all the risks of giving the government that dangerous information. "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety," Benjamin Franklin. I understand a lot of people get emotional over the "gun issue," but this is a topic where there is only room for logic and not feelings. There is no filter that you could implement that would be effective at catching the majority of these people who will commit violent crimes with a firearm without simultaneously restricting the 2nd Amendment right of mentally stable law abiding citizens as well. To implement policy that would cause the latter would be reckless and dangerous for the currently free people of this nation.