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  • PRO

    1] While attributing individual events to climate change...

    Climate change is already costing lives

    Lives are already being lost to climate change; a report by Climate Vulnerability Monitor estimates that already almost 5million are lost per year to climate change, even without the distorting numbers from pollution there are 400,000 deaths per year.[1] While attributing individual events to climate change is difficult research by climate scientists suggests that the lack long rains in Somalia in early 2011 is between 24 and 99% the result of greenhouse gasses.  This famine has killed between 50 and 100 thousand people.[2] With lives being lost the urgency of funding adaptation to reduce these loses is clear.   [1] Climate Vulnerability Monitor, ‘A Guide to the cold calculus of a hot planet’, DARA, September 2012, http://www.daraint.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CVM2ndEd-FrontMatter.pdf, p.17 [2] Straziuso, Jason, ‘Global warming may have fueled Somali drought’, Phys.org, 15 May 2013, http://phys.org/news/2013-03-human-climate-big-factor-somali.html

  • PRO

    On reason that I believe that climate change is real is...

    Climate change is real.

    On reason that I believe that climate change is real is the increase in global temperature and the shrinking of the Arctic ice. This is shown on this website : http://www.nasa.gov....

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-real./1/
  • PRO

    Why do you think that is if not because of the constant...

    global climate change is human caused

    Yes it is true that Global Warming cannot be stopped. It is also true that it has recently gone up more in the 20th century then it has before. Why do you think that is if not because of the constant burning of fossil fuels humans burn daily. This lets off too many gases into the atmosphere which causes the green house effect which results in Global Warming. Why don't we define Global Climate Change: Climate change refers to any significant change in measures of climate (such as temperature, precipitation, or wind) lasting for an extended period (decades or longer). Climate change may result from: •Natural factors, such as changes in the sun's intensity or slow changes in the Earth's orbit around the sun •Natural processes within the climate system (e.g. ,changes in ocean circulation) •Human activities that change the atmosphere's composition (e.g., through burning fossil fuels) and the land surface (e.g., deforestation, reforestation, urbanization, desertification) Notice the part where it says "human activities". As you can clearly see, humans are a huge factor in Global Warming.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/global-climate-change-is-human-caused/1/
  • PRO

    Now for my reliance on NASA for my source, well I used it...

    Climate Change is man caused

    Thank you. I do not think it is only human-caused that title is put there, because I wouldn't want to put such titles as, "Climate change is sorta man caused". What I am arguing is humans do have a fairly large affect on the rate it is going at. Now for my reliance on NASA for my source, well I used it specifically because it is more well known than than the other sources I found and if you want them then tell if so in your statement and I will happily send you some of them. A scholarly article written by Thomas R. Karl (a climatologist that is the director of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration"s National Climatic Data Center.) states, "The main source of global climate change is human-induced changes in atmospheric composition." Now another source I used which granted is from the EPA (but I didn't want to use NASA for my only source) states that the temperature is rose at 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit last century, however it also states small changes in the average temperature of the planet can translate to large and potentially dangerous shifts in climate and weather. Also 2014 was the hottest year on record according to multiple sources (listed bellow) and the 21st century is officially up to date the hottest century. I wish my opponent luck Sources Karl, T. R. "Modern Global Climate Change." Science 15.1 (2003): 1719-723. Print. "Basics." EPA. Environmental Protection Agency, 15 Apr. 2013. Web. 4 Feb. 2015. <http://www.epa.gov...; Hottest Year/century on record sources: "21st Century 'hottest' on Record as Global Warming Continues - UN." UN News Center. UN, 2 Feb. 2015. Web. 4 Feb. 2015. <http://www.un.org...;. "2014 Was Officially the Hottest Year on Record." Time. Time. Web. 4 Feb. 2015. <http://time.com...;. "2014 Officially Hottest Year on Record." Scientific American Global RSS. Web. 4 Feb. 2015. <http://www.scientificamerican.com...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-Change-is-man-caused/1/
  • PRO

    Debate format- R1: acceptance(NO ARGUMENTS) R2: Opening...

    Climate change

    Climate Change-The global rise in temperatures, As well as other effects, Emerging from the manmade release of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Debate format- R1: acceptance(NO ARGUMENTS) R2: Opening statements(you cannot respond, You may only present your points. ) R3: Do whatever you want R4: Do whatever you want R5: Closing statements(NO NEW ARGUMENTS) I hope this debate invite reaches you quickly. Back in 2017 I actually debated you on this very subject, And even though I won, I felt like I left something on the table, As I was an inexperienced debater. I look forward to engaging you in NOBLE INTELLECTUAL FISTICUFFS OF LOGIC.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change/10/
  • PRO

    Climate change is obviously manmade. ... If it wasn't,...

    Climate change is Manmade

    Climate change is obviously manmade. If it wasn't, how did humans develop, and/or how is not 10000000 degrees?

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-Manmade/1/
  • PRO

    This means you can perform any combination of arguments...

    Anthropic climate change is real and a threat.

    "R2-3 Arguments & rebuttals" Stupidape I didn't break my own rules. This means you can perform any combination of arguments and rebuttals in r2 as well as r3. If you had any questions about the structure the best time would have been before accepting the debate and/or round 1. I rebutted your argument indirectly and reinforced my own argument. My opponent uses the tired strategy of cherry picking evidence and red herrings by This means you can perform any combination of arguments and rebuttals in r2 as well as r3. If you had any questions about the structure the best time would have been before accepting the debate and/or round 1. I rebutted your argument indirectly and reinforced my own argument. My opponent uses the tired strategy of cherry picking evidence and red herrings by climate change deniers. Unable to find any peer reviewed articles my opponent relies upon non-credible sources. I ask this, if you are so sure you are correct and there are so many climate change deniers, why don't you publish your r2-3 arguments in a peer reviewed journal? Until then, I can't take your argument seriously when they contradict scholarly peer reviewed sources. Especially the more prestigious journals like sciencemag. "The question of what to do about climate change is also still open. But there is a scientific consensus on the reality of anthropogenic climate change. Climate scientists have repeatedly tried to make this clear. It is time for the rest of us to listen." [6] Thank you for debating.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Anthropic-climate-change-is-real-and-a-threat./1/
  • PRO

    Hello, I would like a fair and balanced debate about...

    Climate change is real.

    Hello, I would like a fair and balanced debate about climate change. Please only accept if you plan to follow through and complete the whole debate.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-real./2/
  • PRO

    They just assumed that the issue was important or urgent....

    Climate change is a fraud

    My opponent has used the same authoritarian approach used by climate scientists. He assumes because something has become accepted that it can't be later disputed. Quote - I still can't tell if you are claiming that the climate is not changing at all or if you believe it is changing but for natural reasons rather than anthropogenic. Reply - My opening statement is "The science of human caused climate change is faulty" Thus, You have twice doubted what this debate is about when I have clearly stated that it is about human caused climate change and not about natural changes. Thus, My opponent is being totally obnoxious and difficult to deal with and is not acting in a civil manner as required by debating rules. If you are voting please deduct points for this annoying repetition and harassment. Quote - The 97% number may not be exactly on-the-nose, But it is around that. Reply - My opponent has failed to acknowledge the deceptive tactics used by the surveys which ask loaded questions and which assume many false assumptions hidden within the questions. For example - None of the questions asked any of the scientists if they thought that climate change was an urgent or important issue. They just assumed that the issue was important or urgent. Thus, Therein lies the deception of not specifying if the problem was worthy of worrying about. Note - It was not even considered or discussed in any of the questions. Note - Only 64 % of qualified meteorologists agreed with the survey in it's corrupted format. Thus, 36 % of climatologists must have disagreed. Note - Of 3, 146 scientists that were surveyed only 77 of these surveys were used in the results. Thus, 77 experts divided by 75 agreements equals 97%. Yes, Folks that's how they got the the magical 97% - Truly amazing or what! Thus, We can plainly see that mathematical manipulation is a specialty of the so called 'climate scientists'. Quote - The mass of humans V's. The mass of Earth does not mean we cannot effect the Earth. Reply - My opponent didn't address the mathematical absurdity of the mass ratio difference between the Earth and human mass. It is the equivalent of 3 grains of sand (humans) on a 100 mile beach (Earth). Thus, It doesn't matter how much heat that those 3 grains of sand can produce they are never going to effect the temperature of a 100 mile beach of sand. Quote - Atmospheric CO2 has no true saturation point Reply - Again, More lies and deceptions. After the 80 parts / million point is reached any further gains are so small they are not worth any consideration. Note - The decline in effect or infra red reflection becomes exponentially less. Quote - The corruption of a single public figure does not negate the science Reply - Maurice Strong is just the tip of the corruption iceberg. All climate scientists are corrupt liars and deceivers. Quote - Tree rings are not the only proxy used to estimate historic and prehistoric climate trends- Reply - Sorry, I forgot to mention that inverting graphs is the second most common method. Note - Tree rings growth suggests water availability and are independent of temperature. This has been proven with many recent tests. Study - Insensitivity of tree-ring growth to temperature and precipitation. PLOS ONE

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-a-fraud/1/
  • PRO

    Climate change is happening. ... Here are some good...

    Climate Change is happening

    Climate change is happening. Here are some good sources to back it up. http://en.wikipedia.org... http://climate.nasa.gov... http://www.skeptic.com... https://www.ted.com... http://environment.nationalgeographic.com...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-Change-is-happening/1/

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  • CON

    Yes there are almost certainly some casualties already to...

    Climate change is already costing lives

    Yes there are almost certainly some casualties already to climate change but almost certainly considerably less than either of these numbers; there have always been casualties due to ‘Heat & Cold Illnesses’ (35000) but are all these attributable to climate change? Probably not. There were extreme weather events even before climate change. Even if there are such deaths this does not amount to meaning the developed world should fund adaptation; just like not every outbreak of violence in Africa should be considered the responsibility of the developed world not every natural disaster is. 

  • CON

    The ones who believe in climate change are the ones who...

    Climate Change Exists

    Climate change is not real. In the past, The Earth has heated up and cooled down and the Earth is currently in another heating up spell. The ones who believe in climate change are the ones who are advocating for the fascist unification of the planet. They want everyone, Every man, Woman, And child to be unified under one singular global power, The global power that is the United Nations. The planet is just in another heat spell and will cool down in the future. The planet heating up is a way that God the Almighty is testing our faith. As technology advances, Millions of people are making the mistake to become atheist or agnostic. The ones who are sticking to God's teachings and remain faithful to him are the ones who will prevail when the rapture comes. Technology is clouding people's judgment from the truth and reality that God the Almighty preaches and teaches. Amen! So I stand in firm negation of the resolution.

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    4% of those with a declared position and 34. ... So none...

    Climate change is a fraud

    Thank you for clarifying that for me! The reason I asked is because often times people who deny that humans cause climate change also deny that the globe is getting warmer. I knew you denied anthropogenic climate change, But I didn't know if that was because you thought the climate was currently stable. Now I know going forward that you accept that the globe is getting warmer, But not that humans cause it. So let's address your objections: 1. The fact that something is widely accepted as true does not mean it cannot be questioned. However, It is more reasonable to question things which do not have evidence supporting them. I am sorry I could not link the studies I mentioned above; it was not letting me post with all the links in it. I was also unable to post with the link to the 2013 study by Cook included, But you can find it at iopscience. Iop. Org (and other websites) if you search, With quotation marks, "Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming" on Google Scholar. This should bring you to the 2013 study by Cook which you have ridiculed. Scroll down to Table 3, And you will see that 10, 188 of the studies expressed support for the notion of anthropogenic climate change, Which is 98. 4% of those with a declared position and 34. 8% of all studies examined. The reason 66. 4% of studies expressed no position is the same reason 0% of geology studies examined in a separate study expressed a position on the theory of plate tectonics--it's not controversial. There has been so much evidence gathered that there is a consensus. Just like how physicists don't say "gravity is real" in every study they do. 2. As I explained, The human species has created enough nuclear weapons to wipe out all life on Earth even though we are a relatively small portion of the total mass. Viruses and bacteria are microscopic but can cause big effects (including death) in us. So being small does not mean you can have no effect. Note also that the mere fact that humans exist has not caused the globe to warm--it's the fact that we burn so many fossil fuels. In your analogy, You said, "It doesn't matter how much heat that those 3 grains of sand can produce. [T]hey are never going to effect the temperature of a 100 mile beach of sand. " Well, If humans are the grains of sand, That's actually a faulty analogy because humans don't release the heat that warms the globe. That comes from the sun, Which has a mass over 300, 000 times that of the Earth. 3. As I said, The greenhouse effect of atmospheric CO2 scales logarithmically, So of course there are going to be diminishing returns in the greenhouse effect. That's not the same as a saturation point because the heat trapped is still increasing, Just more slowly. I linked a graph in my last argument showing a clear linear increase on a graph with a logarithmic scale for CO2 concentration. Note also that the most potent greenhouse gas is water. Even though the warming effect of CO2 decreases as its concentration increases, The slight increase in temperature is enough to evaporate more water into the atmosphere. That warms the globe even more, Leading to greater evaporation of water and creating a positive feedback loop which exacerbates the warming. 4. The claim that every climate scientist is corrupt is so sweeping as to be completely unfounded. There are thousands of climate scientists all over the world; you can't expect every one of them to be bankrolled by special interests or be lying about their science to the public. You might, However, Expect a small minority to be corrupt, Which is what we see in the few who claim anthropogenic climate change is not happening, Who are often funded by fossil fuels or not scientists qualified in the fields they are discussing. 5. In regards to your claim about tree rings, Precipitation is easiest climate trend to measure with them, But temperature can also be estimated based on observed patterns. I don't think I can post more than one link, So I'll just refer you to NOAA's article "How tree rings tell time and climate history. " Inverting graphs is not a proxy--a proxy is a something which occurs in nature which provides information about the past, Like ice cores and geological formations. An inverted graph is an example of fraud--and one which can easily be caught by the process of peer review to stop such a study from ever making it into a reputable journal. So none of your arguments from Round 2 actually debunk climate change, But if you have any more examples, I would be happy to respond to them as well in the coming rounds!

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-a-fraud/1/
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    You then try to link it with the fact that humans are...

    Human-Caused Climate Change is Impossible

    "From the invention of plastic, To the utilization of fossil fuels, To the catastrophic change in Climate conditions is all a naturally occurring process of the Earth's evolution" Evolution is biology and chemistry. Humans inventing plastic is not evolution. Moreover, If being a natural by-product of the Earth means you can't say "human did X", Then you acknowledging that "plastic never would have existed without humans" is in fact saying humans created plastic. You then try to link it with the fact that humans are from Earth so that you can say the Earth caused plastic - but you still needed that middle man fact, Right? Therefore, You CAN say humans cause climate change - just as you can say that humans made plastic. You try to go a step further by saying that if Humans are a byproduct of the Earth, Then the Earth caused climate change. However, You'd again need the middle man of "climate change as we know it wouldn't have happened without humans". And that statement is the exact same as saying "humans caused You then try to link it with the fact that humans are from Earth so that you can say the Earth caused plastic - but you still needed that middle man fact, Right? Therefore, You CAN say humans cause climate change - just as you can say that humans made plastic. You try to go a step further by saying that if Humans are a byproduct of the Earth, Then the Earth caused climate change. However, You'd again need the middle man of "climate change as we know it wouldn't have happened without humans". And that statement is the exact same as saying "humans caused climate changed". "Science and Mathematics do not make mistakes. " Climate change isn't a mistake - it's the result of the actions taken. We are a byproduct of biology and chemistry, But our actions are taken with our evolutionary instincts and thought process which isn't scientific or mathematical. "Pardon me for utilizing the fish hook. " You failed completely. Your conclusion is NOT followed by your premise. Natural processes follow the laws of physics. These laws of physics gave birth to life on Earth. The life on Earth evolved with bodies and brains that kept them alive - not necessarily to understand the world and how their actions affect it. From this, You get climate changed caused by humans advancing technology and not thinking of the consequences. Your argument has failed completely.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Human-Caused-Climate-Change-is-Impossible/1/
  • CON

    first of all if climate chagne is real, then why it not...

    climate change is fake

    climate change is fake and all people who believe in this fake phenomeon are corrupt. first of all if climate chagne is real, then why it not cold right now in mississippi? also, john coleman the weather channel founder said this; ""There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, there has been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the future. Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a significant "greenhouse" gas and pollutant causing significant warming or weather effects have failed. There has been no warming over 18 years" "there is no climate crisis. The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is increasing, not melting away. Polar Bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number or strength of storms (in fact storms are diminishing). I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid" "

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  • CON

    I say it's unlikely CO2 dominates, but no one really...

    Anthropogenic Climate Change Exists

    Correlation plus a theory is not proof CO2 dominates climate My opponent noted temperature generally rising since 1900 and CO2 rising since 1900, and claims that because CO2 is a greenhouse gas, it must be responsible for the rise. The error in that logic is that we do not know how much of the rise is due to CO2 and how much is due to other factors affecting climate. We could plot increasing consumption of charcoal in backyard barbecues, noted that burning charcoal heats the atmosphere, and then concluded that barbecuing causes global warming. The barbecue theory is defeated by showing that there isn't enough heat generated by the volume of charcoal consumed to have a significant warming effect. Similarly, Pro offers no analysis that shows CO2 to be even a significant cause. Pro has the burden to prove not only that CO2 dominated climate in the last century, but that it will dominate the next century despite all unknown factors affecting climate. Here is a reconstruction of CO2 and climate over the past 650 million years. [1. http://www.geocraft.com...] http://www.debate.org... Over geological time, clearly climate has been dominated by factors other than CO2. On the geological time scale, we are currently in an unusual period of low temperatures and low CO2. It a very complicated picture, proving that climate is far more than just CO2. Pro shows the CO2 data for the past 650,000 years.Temperature follows the same pattern, only CO2 follows temperature. The graphs are here [2. http://www.geocraft.com...] If the graphs are time aligned, the result is not that CO2 causes warming. Quite the opposite, CO2 rises about 800 years after temperature rises. Warming causes CO2 because warmer oceans cannot dissolve as much CO2. In 2013 the prestigious journal Nature published an up to date scientific reconstruction of climate for the past 2050 years. [3. http://www.nature.com...] It shows that over the period climate varied by about as much as the present warming, with both the Roman Period and the Medieval Warm Period warmer. It remains possible that CO2 is contributing significantly to current warming, but the natural variations are so large that CO2 might be inconsequential. Current climate science has no explanation for the major climate variations of the past 2000 years. That's why the discredited global warming hockey stick attempted to prove there were no past variations. Pro has the burden to prove CO2 dominates. I say it's unlikely CO2 dominates, but no one really knows. http://www.debate.org... Total sea ice is at record levels and CO2 can't explain why Pro argues that arctic ice is melting, that proves CO2 is the cause. Historically, Arctic ice melts when Antarctic ice increases in a cycle of 40 to 60 years called the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO). The PDO pattern fits the cooling period from the 40s to the 70s that CO2 cannot explain. [4. http://www.drroyspencer.com...] The Arctic was last clear around 1940. Global warming alarmist scientists warned that this time the Antarctic was melting as well, and they made the confident prediction in 2010 was that the Antarctic would be ice free by 2013. What actually happened is that the Antarctic reached record high levels of ice: “The Antarctic surge is so big that overall, although Arctic ice has decreased, the frozen area around both poles is one million square kilometres more than the long-term average.” [5. http://www.dailymail.co.uk...] If CO2 warming dominates climate, it cannot be that it is overwhelmed by other factors like the PDO. But it is. CO2 theory cannot explain the pause in warming To accurately predict future climate, computer models must be proved to be reliable. We know the models did not predict ice formation in the Antarctic nor pre-1900 climate variations. In addition, global warming has essentially ceased since 1997, [6. http://wattsupwiththat.com...] so a check on the accuracy of climate models is how well this pause is predicted. Sscientists predicting CO2 crisis use many variations of computer models. The collections are called CMIP3 and CMIP5, with CMIP5 the very latest. ... Climate models cannot simulate past surface temperatures, precipitation or sea ice area. Those are basic components of Earth’s climate. … The concern about the latest slowdown in warming was addressed by a recent scientific study by Von Storch, et al. (2013) “ Can Climate Models Explain the Recent Stagnation in Global Warming? ” The one-word answer to the title question of their paper is, “No”. They stated: However, for the 15-year trend interval corresponding to the latest observation period 1998-2012, only 2% of the 62 CMIP5 and less than 1% of the 189 CMIP3 trend computations are as low as or lower than the observed trend. Applying the standard 5% statistical critical value, we conclude that the model projections are inconsistent with the recent observed global warming over the period 1998- 2012. [7. Tisdale, Bob (2013-09-23). Climate Models Fail (Kindle Locations 276-291)] The Von Storch paper is available free in draft format [8. http://www.mpimet.mpg.de...] There are a number of ocean oscillations in addition to the PDO. These are not accurately modelled in the computer simulations and likely account for the rapid warming before the current pause. The Medieval Warm Period and the following Little Ice Age correlate extremely well with sunspot activity, but no physical cause of the warming and cooling has been definitively linked to sunspots so there is nothing in the computer models representing the effects. It is not direct change in the solar radiation, because that varies too little to explain the large effect. Danish scientist Svensmark has proposed that changes in cosmic rays linked to variations in sunspots affect cloud cover by a cloud seeding mechanism, but CO2 scientists discount that, so nothing is in the computer models. [9. http://wattsupwiththat.com...] All of the climate change in the past century could be accounted for by less than a 3% change in cloud cover, but even with satellites cloud cover measurement is difficult. The cloud height is important as well as the density. We don't know future CO2 levels Everyone, crisis advocates and skeptics alike, agrees that whatever the CO2 sensitivity it is logarithmic. So if doubling CO2 produces a one degree rise, which is about the theoretical rise if there is nothing in the climate that magnifies the effect, then doubling it again would produce another degree of warming. An exponential rise in CO2 produces a linear rise in temperature. If we had a perfect model of CO2 effects on climate, we would still need to know how much CO2 is left to be produced and at what rate. Everyone agrees oil and coal are running out, but no one is sure how fast. But as supplies get scarce, prices rise and alternatives become economically viable. A technological breakthrough like a cheap, efficient battery would drop carbon consumption dramatically. It's another major unknown. A clarification of the resolution was agreed to in the debate comments so Pro must show that CO2 dominates climate in the past and future century. Pro has not made a convincing case that CO2 accounts for past climate change, nor that either computer models or carbon consumption assumptions are reliable enough to predict the future. He has the burden of proof.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Anthropogenic-Climate-Change-Exists/1/
  • CON

    Water vapour contributes 85 % of the Earth's cooling...

    Human caused climate change is nonsense

    Your arguments shalt now be rebutted. >>CO2 is a trace gas. It constitutes only a meagre 0. 04% of the atmosphere. Water vapour contributes 85 % of the Earth's cooling effect, Whereas CO2 only contributes 15 % of the heating effects. Yes, CO2 is indeed a trace gas. And CO2 does indeed only constitute about 15 percent of the Earth's temperature capacity. However, This does not change the fact that more CO2 results in more global warming. It seems that you have conceded that CO2 does cause heating. >>A green house is an enclosed environment which has little or no air circulation. On the other hand, The Earth is an open system where air is free to circulate. The air is constantly moving from the cooler polar regions to the warmer tropical regions. The Earth's temperature system is a closed system in the sense that it does not interact with any other systems. . . And although air is moving from the cooler regions to the warmer regions, This does not change the fact that humans caused climate Water vapour contributes 85 % of the Earth's cooling effect, Whereas CO2 only contributes 15 % of the heating effects. Yes, CO2 is indeed a trace gas. And CO2 does indeed only constitute about 15 percent of the Earth's temperature capacity. However, This does not change the fact that more CO2 results in more global warming. It seems that you have conceded that CO2 does cause heating. >>A green house is an enclosed environment which has little or no air circulation. On the other hand, The Earth is an open system where air is free to circulate. The air is constantly moving from the cooler polar regions to the warmer tropical regions. The Earth's temperature system is a closed system in the sense that it does not interact with any other systems. . . And although air is moving from the cooler regions to the warmer regions, This does not change the fact that humans caused climate change, Which is the debate topic. >>The science community likes to cling to the past when it suits them. Considering that you have started talking about the motives of scientists, I will say a little about the motives of climate change deniers. . . Climate change denial is often a defence system against the guilt that comes with the thought of humans having caused climate change. I'm not saying that you are doing this, But it's very common among climate change deniers for them not to want to believe that they are, In fact, Partially implicated in global warming. >>Note - I do understand CO2's properties because I have studied CO2 graphs and read research papers for the last 10 years on this matter. Note - This does not give you a position of authority on the matter. I look forward to the next few arguments. Audience members of this debate may post their thoughts in the comments.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Human-caused-climate-change-is-nonsense/1/
  • CON

    Assume for a second that the deniers are wrong. ......

    Jail climate change deniers.

    I reassert my strongest argument in r2. "Finally, and perhaps my strongest argument. Assume for a second that the deniers are wrong. Not much of an assumption. Jailing the deniers could backfire. Causing them to become martyrs per say. Holding back political Assume for a second that the deniers are wrong. Not much of an assumption. Jailing the deniers could backfire. Causing them to become martyrs per say. Holding back political change and giving the deniers a louder voice. Thanks for debating and being respectful. " stupidape Jailing the climate change deniers could backfire. Cause the deniers to become martyrs and more suspicion and doubt to be cast.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Jail-climate-change-deniers./1/
  • CON

    I think climate change is a bad thing because it is...

    What is your opinion on climate change

    I think climate change is a bad thing because it is warming the globe and it is destroying ice burges and is changing anamails habits like for example poler bears there homes are getting melted by the increasing temps and its bad because the poler bears are losing there homes. AND do you want to know why climate change is happening. Its because green house gases and fossil fuels and airshol fresheners. The bad cemaciles are going up and destroying this thing called the ozone layer. The ozone layer is like a layer around the earth pretecing us from the suns deadly rays and the stuff that goes into the air goes to the ozone layer and makes it weaker and that's why there is globe warming and climate change

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/What-is-your-opinion-on-climate-change/1/
  • CON

    Clever programming leads you to believe so. In any case,...

    Climate change is real.

    Clever programming leads you to believe so. In any case, the case of the affirmative has been dropped and the negative is the only one with extensions pulling through this entire time, leading only the negative ballot to be justified in the end - nothing is real, climate change can't be real.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-real./1/