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  • PRO

    It has been determined that neither heterosexuality nor...

    On balance, is heterosexual marriage is legal, so should gay marriage.

    Definitions Gay Marriage: The practice of marriage between members of the same gender On Balance: The Burden of Proof is shared. Opening Arguments Syllogism by DetectableNinja (P1) Homosexuality is not unnatural.[1] (P2) Neither homosexuality, nor its acts have been proved inferior to heterosexuality or its acts. (P3) Marriage is a basic human right. (P4) Homosexual unions are unfairly not being given full and equal rights as heterosexual unions. (C) Therefore, homosexual marriages with full and equal rights should be legalized and put into effect. Defense of Each premise (P1) Homosexuality is not unnatural. It is estimated that more than 1,500 different species can experience homosexual tendencies. This includes the dwarf chimpanzees, "which is one of human's closest relatives."[2] (P2) Neither homosexuality, nor its acts have been proved inferior to heterosexuality or its acts. According to the American Psychological Association, it has officially been declared that homosexuality is not a choice or a decision[3] The APA has stated that homosexuality is not a choice and has pointed out that homosexual acts themselves are clearly not. While some view this as a reason to be against homosexual marriage, I submit that this is a very valid reason to before homosexual marriage. Here is why: The fact that expecting homosexuals to repress sexual urges is just as unfair as expecting heterosexuals to repress their sexual s on simple logic grounds. It has been determined that neither heterosexuality nor homosexuality is conscious decisions. CON needs to give reasons why they are immoral. Therefore, logically speaking, one should not expect to repress any resulting desires (within reason) whilst the other is not expected to. (P3) Marriage is a basic human right. SP1: The Declaration of Human Rights. In the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, it is stated that all men and women have the basic human right to be married and raise a family[4]. This was written by the UN as a standard for all nations (including the USA). Therefore, the USA should allow SSM. SP2: Marriage is a fundamental right in the USA. Even if one does not accept the DoHR, the US supreme court ruled 14 times that the right to marry is a fundamental right[5] For example, let’s take the landmark case Turner v. Stafley, 482 US 78, 95 (1987) “[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and marriage is an “expression of emotional support and public commitment.”); in Loving v. Virginia, 388 US 1, 12 (1967) the “freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”) SP3: Gay marriage bans violate the XIV amendment. According to the XIV amendment, it requires that “[no State shall] deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”[6] Bans on SSM are in violation of this clause for two reasons: 1) They deny gay men and women the ability to marry the person of their choice; and 2) These single out and harm a suspect class by preventing only gays and lesbians from being able to marry. Because bans on these marriages unfairly put homosexuals at a disadvantage, they are in violation of the XIV amendment. (P4) Homosexual unions are unfairly not being given full and equal rights as heterosexual unions. This is an obvious, but sad fact. In the USA, the current definition for marriage is defined as "only a legal union between one man and a woman". But,, following the logic I laid out, that homosexuality is NOT A CONSCIOUS thus it is unfair and discriminatory for homosexual unions to be denied. Heterosexual marriages are based upon love and commitment whilst enjoying a slew of federal rights--over 1,000[7]. Same-sex couples do not enjoy any of these benefits and therefore, SSM needs to be legal. | CONCLUSION | Throughout this essay, I have given the following reasons for gay marriage: 1) Homosexuality is not unnatural; 2) Same-sex attractions, nor acts, have proved to be inferior; 3) Marriage is a fundamental right; a. Universal declaration of human rights; b. Supreme court rulings; c. XIV amendment. 4) Homosexual unions are being unfairly discriminated against. [1] By “natural” I refer to what our evolution has taught us to do. In other words, homosexuality is natural because we have been built in by evolution to have sexual attractions, and some, homosexual orientation. [2] http://www.xydo.com... [3] http://www.apa.org... [4] http://www.un.org... (article 16) [5] See "Ted Olson Interview With Fox News Sunday's Chris Wallace.” [6] Mount, Steve. "The United States Constitution." The U.S. Constitution Online. 06 Mar. 2011.http://www.usconstitution.net...... [7] http://www.now.org...

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    However, it is estimated that 1,500 species of animals,...

    Gay Marriage should be legal.

    First, I would like to thank my opponent for the opportunity to debate this topic, as well as put forth a definition of gay marriage. Gay marriage (aka same-sex marriage): the practice of marriage between two males or two females [1]. That being said, however, I have found that Con has not in any way truly defended her position that gay marriage should not be legal, and, to my perception, actually arguing her points sarcastically, showing that she isn't seriously defending her view--save for a short paragraph stating that homosexual relationships are not found in nature--ergo, are unnatural. Homosexuality is NOT Unnatural As I stated before, it is Con's belief that homosexual relationships do not occur in nature. However, it is estimated that 1,500 species of animals, inlcuding lions, dolphins, killer whales, and the dwarf chimpanzee, "which is one of humanity's closes relatives," [2]. So, Con's only serious argument (in my perception) is debunked, as homosexuality does in fact appear in animals which are in nature. Homosexuality is Not A Conscious Decision When looking at homosexulity, it may be easy for someone to believe that a person's desires are a choice. The problem with this theory is that it is simply not true. The American Psychological Association, among many other well known organizations, has officially declared that homosexuality is not in fact a conscious choice or decision [3]. While the APA has said that homosexuality is not a choice, it has pointed out that homosexual acts clearly are not. However, whil some may view this as reason to be against gay marriage, I submit that it is not a valid reason to be against gay marriage. My reasoning behind this is the fact that expecting homosexuals to repress sexual urges (unreasonably, of course) is just as unfair as expecting heterosexuals to unreasonably repress sexual urges on simple logic grounds. It has been determined that neither heterosexuality nor homosexuality are conscious decisions. As well, Con has not given any reason as to why homosexual acts are immoral. Thus, logically speaking, one should not be expected to repress any resulting desires (within reason) whilst the other is not expected to. Marriage is a Basic Right In Article 16 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, it is stated that all men and women have the basic human right to be married and raise a family [4]. This document was written by the United Nations as a standard for all member nations (including the United States of America, which I'm assuming is the country being argued about as far as legalization,) to follow. So, according to that, the USA should allow same sex marriage. Homosexual Unions are Being Discriminated Against It is true that, in the United States, currently marriage is legally defined as "only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife," [5]. But this, following the logic I laid out in "Not a Conscious Decision," can be considered unfair and discriminatory. As I stated before, heterosexual marriages are based on love and commitment as well as heterosexual acts to express that love and commitment whilst enjoying a slew of federal rights--over 1,000 [6]. However, a homosexual couple cannot express that same love and commitment whilst enjoying all of those same federal rights. In fact, only 10 of American States only provide legal recognization as high as a civil union--which provides all of the same rights as marriage, but only on a state level; federal rights are excluded. As well, even more states only have unions with some of the given rights, or don't give any rights at all [7]. And again, seeing as how Con has not provided a serious reason as to why homosexual relations are inferior to heterosexual relations, not universally providing homosexual unions with full equal rights is therefore discriminatory, unfair, and immoral. Summary To summarize my rebuttal and opening statements, I give you my positions contention, based on premises I have proved in my previous sections. (P1) Homosexuality is not unnatural. (P2) Homosexuality, nor its acts have been proved inferior to heterosexuality or its acts. (P3) Marriage is a basic human right. (P4) Homosexual unions are unfairly not being given full and equal rights as heterosexual unions. (C) Therefore, homosexual marriages with full and equal rights should be legalized and put into effect. References [1] http://dictionary.reference.com... [2] http://www.news-medical.net... [3] http://www.apa.org... [4] http://www.un.org... (Article 16) [5] http://www.law.cornell.edu... [6] http://www.now.org... [7] http://en.wikipedia.org... Thank you, and I await Con's response.

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  • PRO

    Tomkins' study doesn't match with studies with the rest...

    Universal Common descent is a scientific explanation for the genetic origins of living organisms

    C1) Multiple Nested Hierarchies are generated independently Con mistakes initial assumptions which were later proven for circular reasoning. As I mentioned, if I stopped at a single nested hierarchy, it would be reasonable to Con to argue this point. I don't claim that the mere fact that we can organize into hierarchies to be evidence of common descent. I pointed out why evolutionary processes can generate a unique hierarchy. If the morphological and molecular hierarchies differed - and there is a really big chance of differing - common descent would be disproved. When a different, independent method gives us the same result as our initial assumption with startlingly high statistical significance, the conclusion is that our initial assumption is true. If Con's claim that common descent is false and that the hierarchies were just made up, we should end up with different trees for the different experiments. The chance of ending up with the same tree is 1 in 10^38. Con has continued to attack the independence of the molecular method from the morphological method but has yet to refute my analysis on ubiquitous proteins. Cytochrome c transports electrons and helps cells generate energy. All living organisms do this the same way. It is a fundamental metabolic process. The cytochrome c of humans for example functions in yeast which are as about as far apart as you can get. Yeasts are eukaryotic micro-organisms classified into the kingdom fungi [34]. Con continues to say that molecular similarity is based on morphological similarity yet never refuted my argument about ubiquitous proteins. If common descent isn't true, organisms that are morphologically similar would be molecularly different because of the functional redundancy of cytochrome c. There are 10^93 different sequences of cytochrome c that can perform the same function. Common descent does propose that all species are related. As I've explained in round 1 with the phylogenetic tree, the degree of relation varies. If common descent were false, ubiquitous proteins would be randomly sequenced among life as opposed to being more similar in closely related species. Con looks at it as a dichotomy and says that biologists wouldn't know about unrelated species and that the model for common descent doesn't allow for one. However, nested hierarchies have several branches of separation and it is not an either/or scenario. Humans are more related to chimpanzees than they are to yeast. C2) Scientific agreement and Tomkins study Tomkins study should be discarded for the following reasons: I've shown why it is irrelevant to the debate. My argument was that ubiquitous proteins should be considered. Tomkins doesn't do this. Con didn't refute this point and concedes most of it while asserting that “discontinuities are being ignored.” I've shown exactly why biologists consider ubiquitous proteins. Con was unable to show how Tomkins met this criteria. Tomkins' study doesn't match with studies with the rest of the scientific community. Other studies show human-chimp DNA over 96% alike [35][36][37]. Con claims that scientific agreement is an argument from popularity. Yet, Con was the one who brought it up in the first place. He claimed that scientists disagreed on evolution. I proved that they don't. I showed that his Lynn Margulis evidence actually supports my side. I've also shown why Tomkins study is irrelevant to my argument as it doesn't take into account ubiquitous proteins. It also contradicts the rest of the scientific community. Whether scientists agree was Con's contention to begin with and Con now says that it is a fallacy. C3) Observed speciation combined with fossil record points to common descent Con continues to argue that we cannot observe macro-evolution on a large scale. Yet, it takes tens of millions to years to see vast, large-scale changes. We have fossils to show us that these changes have taken place. Con completely drops the fossils and claims that unless a mechanism is shown, the fossils are void. The mechanism has been shown on a small-scale so we know a mechanism exists that causes speciation and micro-evolution. Con says that adaptation is redundant with evolution. Yet, the only difference is time-scale. The underlying causes are the same. Con's claim of a limiting factor is contradictory and ill-defined. Cows are of the species Bos Primegenius [38]. He says that cows cannot change into anything other than cows which implies that he disagrees with speciation. Yet, he then claims that all cases of speciation result in the same kind of organism implicitly accepting it. Con's definition of kind is also contradictory because on the one hand, he classifies entire kingdoms of microbial life into the same “kind” while also classifying a single species cow into one kind. While he may not agree with the taxonomic classification, it rested on him to define “kind” appropriately which he didn't. With the absence of a coherent limiting mechanism, the logical conclusion is that micro-evolution can be extended to a common ancestor. The fossil record corroborates this conclusion. Con has not responded to my points about the Archeopteryx and whale evolution which gives evidence of the micro-evolutionary process continuing on a large time scale. He has also not refuted that older strata of whale fossils show terrestrial whales and later strata more and more aquatic ones. He has not contested radiometric dating as an independent tool for stratigraphic analysis. Con says that his religious beliefs are irrelevant to the debate and I agree. However, I've shown that his claim of a designer would suggest a highly deceptive designer based on the overwhelming evidence in favor of common descent. CONCLUSION: Common Descent is a scientific explanation for the origin of species To determine science from pseudoscience, we should look at a few key characteristics: Adherence to a scientific method: I've provided a simplified flowchart for this. Con's response makes the same mistake of failing to consider that biologists have looked specifically at ubiquitous proteins which are common to all living organisms. Basis on empirical evidence: The fossil record, molecular evidence from proteins, transitional links between species and the geologic location of those links all point toward common descent. Demonstrability: Evolutionary processes have been observed. Con doesn't deny micro-evolution and speciation. The fossil record shows that this same processes have occurred on a larger time scale. Testability/Falsifiability: Con claims that common descent ought to be assumed. I agree that it was initially assumed as a hypothesis. Science involves gathering evidence to test or falsify hypotheses. This is what science is at its core. My flowchart shows as much. Making assumptions and proposing hypotheses aren't pseudoscience. Since the phylogenic trees generated from the molecular and nested hierarchies are statistically the same, common descent is corroborated. Weighing Mechanism: To show that Universal Common Descent is pseudoscience according to our definition, Con must show that it does not adhere to a valid scientific method which he hasn't. He must show that it lacks supporting evidence or plausibility for which he has ignored the fossil record which shows that observed micro-evolution continues on a large scale. He must show that it cannot be reliably tested or falsified where he fails because independent evidence from morphological, molecular, and fossil evidence all point toward common descent. He must show that it lacks scientific status for which he quickly dropped his attempt to do so by claiming that agreement among scientists is an appeal to popularity. Universal common descent both meets and exceeds the criteria to be considered science. Sources [34] http://en.wikipedia.org... [35] http://tinyurl.com... [36] http://tinyurl.com... [37] http://tinyurl.com... [38] http://en.wikipedia.org...

  • PRO

    But anyhow, the edges of the spectrum like to stretch the...

    The United States should implement universal health care modeled after the french system.

    Sorry for the confusion. Billy is still alive (although maybe like the guy in Monty Python and the Holy Grail), he just can't work. Second, don't defer me to a website like that. I don't defer people looking for facts to Michael Moore (although he is amazing). But anyhow, the edges of the spectrum like to stretch the truth, and that is no exception. I found the article, and, since I haven't found that "fact" anywhere else, I find it hard to believe. And the average cost of healthcare, for Billy, might be 300% of his paycheck. It might cost more to the rich guys, but you can see how beautifully the Bush tax cuts worked, based on the same principle that you speak of. It is a sad thing, there really is no such thing as free healthcare. Somebody has to pay. Truth is, just as the French have to pay for extra coverage, we don't need a comprehensive system. We just need basic necessities, paid for in a fair way. I wish I had more space, but basically, health is something we all deserve.

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    And I have done nothing wrong as I clearly stated R1 was...

    The United States Government ought to provide Universal Healthcare for its Citizens

    Hello viewers, I would like to first say that my opponent has not posted his argument at all, giving me nothing to argue. This is a Lincoln Douglas debate in which both the opponents are required to give arguments and all he posts is against my argument. And all the arguments must be presented in the 1st round (in this case it is the R2 because the first was acceptance). Since Thaddeus didn't post his argument, he has conceded. Now I will move on to defend my argument. Thaddeus says that I have introduced my definitions after he has. I have only done so because he has not included all of the definitions that I have presented in my case. And I have done nothing wrong as I clearly stated R1 was for acceptance. If you look at what Thaddeus wrote in his R2, he says word for word "My opponent is correct that the value of the debate is morality." By saying this he completely AGREES with my case. A point to be noted Judge. He then says I make a ridiculous leap to my criterion. When I state my criterion, I am saying that read my whole case and see how my criterion upholds my value in this debate. My opponent states that there is no objective morality. I am saying that the United States Government ought to provide And I have done nothing wrong as I clearly stated R1 was for acceptance. If you look at what Thaddeus wrote in his R2, he says word for word "My opponent is correct that the value of the debate is morality." By saying this he completely AGREES with my case. A point to be noted Judge. He then says I make a ridiculous leap to my criterion. When I state my criterion, I am saying that read my whole case and see how my criterion upholds my value in this debate. My opponent states that there is no objective morality. I am saying that the United States Government ought to provide Universal Health Care for its Citizens because of all the reasons stated in my case in R2. Now I have some questions for my opponent to answer: Do you think it is Moral for many millions of Americans to die simply because they have genetic and untreatable diseases and are too ill to work and make money? Would you rather have more or less doctors readily available to treat patients? Judge, I thank you for your time and I urge you to vote Affirmative (Pro) for all the reasons stated above.

  • PRO

    The government should not create a health care system...

    Universal health care would amount to welfare for the uninsured.

    The government should not create a health care system that is aimed primarily at helping the poor and uninsured. As such, it becomes merely another wealth-transfer program.

  • PRO

    Same idea here, the seller ought to be wary about who he...

    Universal Background Checks, as recently proposed in the US Senate, would not mitigate crime

    Thank you for your reply, I will be happy to address each of them in order. 1) Main Argument "If a law is made to deter criminals, and it must be enforceable, then the state must create the law to deter criminal activities and enforce said law. However, the problem with my opponents conclusion is that criminals break the law, and because they break the law (as criminals do not register their guns) we should scrap it." I regret to inform my opponent that failing to register a weapon is not a crime in the vast majority of the United States (the only jurisdiction this amendment would have authority). I live in Virginia and own a number of firearms varying in size and type without having registered a single one of them and I am not considered guilty of anything by any legal authority. To help prove this concept further, please feel free to view the link I have enclosed. The only type of consistent registration requirements we have in the US are for weapons and devices designated as "Class 3". These include fully automatic machine guns, (not the AR-15 civilian "assault rifle") short barreled rifles (SBR's), short barreled shotguns (AOW's) and silencers. I would also like to point out that the amendment we are debating clearly points out that the creation of any such federal registry would be entirely illegal (as other US laws have also clarified) and even goes so far as to declare penalties for such a trespass. Since there is no registry, and there can't ever be one, there is no way to track sales and hold people responsible, which I assert, makes this law unenforceable. http://www.handgunlaw.us... Having based this main counter point solely on the grounds that not registering a weapon is illegal, I feel your reasoning to be unacceptable for this debate. 2) Scenarios "actually, when the gun is used, all the police would have to do is check the serial number of the weapon to see where it was registered to trace it back to the person who bought the gun, enabling the killer." Again, unfortunately your conclusions condemning my examples are based on the incorrect assumption that the 300 million firearms in the United States are registered. Facts have shown that this is not the case. 3) Inconvenience Vs Safety "While it may be a pain to sell the gun, let's not forget we're talking about a weapon here after-all. Would you sell a 300 HP car to a kid? I know I couldn't! Same idea here, the seller ought to be wary about who he sells his guns too, because if that person was crazy and in turn shoots someone, the seller would have an abundance of guilt hanging on their heads, quite the burden to live with if you ask me." A seller should indeed be weary of who they are transferring a lethal weapon to, no arguments there. But as history has demonstrated over and over again, multiple times a day, laws do not create morals in miscreants. For a law to be effective in preventing a demonstrated criminal from acquiring a gun (which is the ONLY purpose of the amendment) then it has to be enforceable. For the law to reasonably keep people from errantly transferring a firearm to a criminal those people need to have some fear of consequence. There is no mechanism that exists that can be logically assumed to create this fear. "Furthermore, let's look at the statistics shall we?" I think it's fair to say anyone even remotely familiar with the internet can pull up a number of "statistical studies" that give weight to one side of the gun debate over the other. If you would like me to do that in the next round, just indicate so and I will be happy to comply. To put it simply though, we can both show correlations in various studies indicating a wide variety of results, neither of us however, due to the impossibility of controlling (or even understanding) all the variables in play, can draw a reasonable conclusion from said results. As basic science taught all of us in high school, correlation does not prove causation. But on a more important note; we are not debating the legitimacy of gun control as an idea. If you would like to offer another line of debate on this topic I would relish the opportunity. We are specifically debating whether or not the recently proposed UBC amendment could effectively mitigate crime on its own merits. I have yet to see how this study offers anything more than a token view of the assumed success of gun control 4) What about other countries? Again, for the same reasons as above this is not relevant to our particular line of debate. Not to mention comparing one country's gun laws to another's is about as "apples to oranges" as it gets. If full gun control is so successful then why do countries like Brazil and Mexico have some of the highest murder by gun rates in the world? The questions is rhetorical, because again, until you show me how this argument directly relates to the universal background check bill as proposed in the US Senate, this is a moot point. 5) Self-Defense "Having a gun in the home does NOT deter crime" Yes it does, but this again is another debate I would be more than happy to have when properly offered. "Furthermore, the law isn't black and white. The second amendment is not inalienable; it can be taken away for legal purposes." I haven't made a single argument that opposes this view, nor do I believe it is relevant. "so if someone breaks into your home, although you do have a case for self-defense, you may run into being charged with man-slaughter should you shoot him" A simple review and understanding of the local laws you adhere to is an easy way to understand your rights in these situations. In most cases a defensive shooter need only prove they felt their life was in danger, and that the person endangering it had the willingness and opportunity to do so. In my district in Virginia, for example, the DA is more than happy to clarify before hand that in his legal understanding, a thief breaking into your home while you are sleeping meets each of these qualifications. Again though, and not to sound like a broken record, but it appears you have digressed from our agreed upon debate to the wider debate of general gun control which is not what we are discussing. 5) The Home Run " One country I can think of in which has some of the freest gun regulations. Enjoy living in Somalia, where gun control simply doesn't exist (to the best of my knowledge) and where gun violence is rampant." Somalia has also been plagued by civil war and lawlessness for more than two decades. Are we to believe their lack of gun control was the cause of this turmoil or is it fair to admit there are other variables that may not be have been given the appropriate consideration in your example? Back to you Con!

  • PRO

    Now note that these things may protect and benefit the...

    The death penalty should exist

    I don't have a lot of time for this debate. So I guess that I will provide some quick rebuttals for the debate before I have to go for the weekend. My sources were also in the comments section since I would end up not having enough characters for it, but that's besides the point. I will be refuting my opponent's case in a different order than how she presented her case as there is a large portion of her case that is ironically covered by my own case. Contention 1: Bipartisan Approval and role of the government. P1.The Government should only act to enforce the imperatives of Perfect Duties. P2.Universal health care does not meet the standard of a Perfect Duty. C1: Thus, the Government should not act to enforce universal health care. ""Kant's first formulation of the CI states that you are to “act only in accordance with that maxim through which you can at the same time will that it become a universal law... Perfect duties come in the form ‘One mustnever (or always) φ to the fullest extent possible in C’, while imperfect duties, since they enjoin the pursuit of an end, come in the form ‘One must sometimes and to some extent φ in C’" [1] According to the above we see that Kant establishes two duties of that of the government; Perfect Duties and Imperfect Duties. Perfect Duties are those things of which the government must provide to ensure that the government and that society is fully functional. What are these things you may ask? These things are the simple things ensured under that of the Social Contract that you give up for a Civilized Society (not to kill, rape, steal, etc...). These things are indeed key as we can see that this ensures that of a Minarchy at the minimum. What that means is that the Government is to ensure that the people are safe. Everything else falls into that of the Imperfect Duties. Now note that these things may protect and benefit the public, we can see that if they're not of the Social Contract like ideals that they automatically fall into this category and SHOULD NOT be carried out by the government, but by Private entities. “Any action is right if it can coexist with everyone's freedom in accordance with a universal law, or if on its maxim the freedom of choice of each can coexist with everyone's freedom in accordance with a universal law” [2] We can see that if the government intervenes on the behalf on the people to infringe on that of an Imperfect duty that they would undermining humanity to achieve their due ends. We can see and must ensure that the Imperfect Duties are carried out by the Private Entites as things like people's health and Private debt is something that is to be delt with by the individual NOT the government. [3] Many usually confuse Kant’s principles for that of John Locke’s Social Contract theory. This theory is escentially a mutual agreement between individuals to give up the “right to be violent” and there is thus a civilized society. The main reason that Kant’s argument falls under the statehood status is that under an individual premise it would be impossible to have certain actions carried out by the government or privately as this would invalidate the entirety of having a government. We can see that the role of government is that of a Minarchy where the government provides basic protection of the citizens and ensure’s their rights and protects the public for killing each other. If we look to Thomas Hobbes's Leviathan we can see that the role of the government mirrors that of Kant's and Locke's by showing that the government must protect the people and if they didn't then people would be in, "continued fear and danger of violent death; and the life of man [was] solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.” [4] This is done by getting those who endanger society away and in some cases, the death penalty. Now yes I do concede that the death penalty is declining in popularity we have no choice but to see that the majority of Americans still support the death penalty. Not to mention our currently over crowding jails that this is nessisary for us to keep room avaible in jails and we can still see taht since the majority of Americans still want the death penalty then we must see that the Death Penalty must still be allowed since the majority still wants it. Contention 2: Costs. My opponent here hasn't shown you the entire picture we can see, as in the case and arguments that I provided last round, that the average prisoner lives about 50 years so when we do the math that's about $5 million while it costs $3 million at most for a death penalty meaning that it's chearper to do the death penalty. If my math skills are right we save more money doing to the death penalty. While my opponent is only providing the immidiate comparisions by comparing cost of the death penalty to the cost of a year or so of putting a criminal in jail. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure that criminals stay in prison longer than just that one year. Contention 3: Morality My opponent provides an article from April 28th to show that there is a 4% mistake rate, HOWEVER, an article I cited a month later from May 8th 2014, states that the margin for errors is that of under 1%, 0.28% to be exact. So we can actually see and do the math by seeing that of the 260,000 people convicted for murder in the US, they have found that 34 were wrongly convicted, of those 34 18 were exicuted. Which I do agree we should do more to help the innocent, but mistakes happen and according to the Theory of Infinate Probability we can see that no matter what, something ALWAYS has a probability for occuring no matter how crazy it might seem. We can see that such minescual percentages shouldn't prevent us from exicuting cold blooded killers like Ed Gein, John Gracey, Osama Bin Ladin, the list goes on and on. Due to personal time restraints I will get to the last one in my next round as I unfortuantely cannot get to that argument and I must ask for my opponent to wait for a day or so until she responds. Sources 1. (http://plato.stanford.edu...) 2. (Lectures and Drafts on Political Philosophy, translated Frederick Rauscher and Kenneth Westphal (in preparation). Relevant contents: "Naturrecht Feyerabend" course lecture, fragments on political philosophy, and drafts of works in political philosophy.) 3. (Johnson, Robert. "Kant's Moral Philosophy." The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. 2012.) 4. (Hobbes, Thomas, and J. C. A. Gaskin. Leviathan. Oxford: Oxford UP, 1998. Print.)

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CON

  • CON

    Yes there is nothing better than conversing with someone...

    CMV: There should be a universal sign language the whole worlds learns in school or by parents.

    Honestly technology is reaching a point where this is irrelevant. Yes there is nothing better than conversing with someone with the same language in real time, but the accuracy of translation apps is only getting better, and only slows down conversation by so much. Think of it this way, is it easier for the whole world to learn a new language, or for a few people to develop coding and applications to help with better translations in real time?

  • CON

    Firstly, I'd like to thank my opponent for the debate....

    Resolved- All legally and clinically sane citizens should have the right to keep and bear arms.

    Firstly, I'd like to thank my opponent for the debate. My opponent has provided a very strong argument. I would like to reiterate the following 1) Misery is not quantifiable by numbers or words. The mere fact that there is "gun violence" and "death by firearms" is proof that guns do bring misery to the human race. I find it surprising that my opponent has stated that "why we should believe violence and misery in the US is associated in any degree to the right to keep and bear arms" and also stated that "I don't see the connection between "misery" in the US or any other country and "the right to keep and bear arms". I will once again reiterate that gun violence and death by firearms do result in misery and argue that the statistics on child deaths is proof of such misery. 2) The right to bear arms is not a law and can only be considered a law when trying to claim it as a "birthright". The right to bear arms is only a right, regardless of how my opponent would like to argue the matter. My opponent tries to argue that "the right to bear arms is a basic human right" well I would have to rebut that argument by stating that the right to bear arms was not included in the 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights' and the United States was at the time of signing the strongest power in the world. 3) The right to bear arms is a law that is open to the consensus of the people. At the moment that consensus says that the right should remain in the United States of America. In other countries the consensus is towards creating an environment that is free of arms. It is not unchangeable and nor should it be seen as such. 4) The Orange Revolution was raised as an example of how peaceful civil disobedience can shape governments. If people believe that their government may turn tyrannical and still feel the need to harbor weapons then that is their choice and they can chose to bear arms regardless of whether it is legal or illegal. I would argue that people need to voice their opinion early on and hopefully not get to the stage where they are having armed conflicts with their government (especially in the United States). 5) Restricting arms to the sane is a good idea in theory however in practice there are a multitude of problems. The Virginia Tech Massacre is one such example and is the deadliest single shooting rampage in US history (1). Also the number of people taking their lives is evidence that people that are sane at purchase are experiencing periods of instability. I will finish off by arguing that my opponent did raise a lot of good points in this debate, however I would like people to consider the following. Would there be a need for firearms beyond policing and military use if no other civilians had weapons; if governments were completely transparent; and people pursued a course of civil disobedience every time their rights were undemocratically eroded. I would ask people to consider my points before voting. (1)http://www.washingtonpost.com...

  • CON

    But what if we use a more advanced definition such as the...

    Abortion should remain legal.

    Introduction Ah, pardon me. I did not notice your rule against challenging definitions before. I would, however, like to ask you to provide a modern and reliable source for your claim that the scientific community has not determined when life begins. This is an important aspect of the debate and it is not acceptable to make this claim without proof. My case As dictated by the rules, I will not be presenting any rebuttals in this round. I shall be making only three contentions. 1. The zygote/embryo/fetus is a human life 2. There is a moral obligation to preserve innocent human life 3. This moral obligation is of the highest order Throughout this debate round, "unborn" may be used to mean an unborn human at any of the three stages of zygote, embryo or fetus. Contention #1 - The unborn is a human life The standard, biology textbook definition of life is 1) the ability to grow and 2) the ability to reproduce.[1] In other words, if something grows and possesses the ability to reproduce at some point in its life cycle (barring some sort of defect), then it is considered by the scientific community to be alive. By this standard, the unborn can be considered to be a life. But what if we use a more advanced definition such as the one below? Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, electrolyte concentration or sweating to reduce temperature. Organization: Being structurally composed of one or more cells â€" the basic units of life. Metabolism Transformation of energy by converting chemicals and energy into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life. Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of anabolism than catabolism. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter. Adaptation: The ability to change over time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity, diet, and external factors. Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism to external chemicals, to complex reactions involving all the senses of multicellular organisms. A response is often expressed by motion; for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun (phototroism), and chemotaxis. Reproduction: The ability to produce new individual organisms, either asexually from a single parent organism, or sexually from two parent organisms.[1][2] Once again, the unborn meets all the criteria for life. However, this is somewhat irrelevant. After all, bacteria and blades of grass are also alive, and we feel no moral qualms about killing them. Why, then, is the zygote/embryo/fetus different? Put simply, because it is a human life. By definition, a product of reproduction is of the same kind as its 'parents.'[3] I offer this Merriam-Webster definition of fetus as further proof: "a human being or animal in the later stages of development before it is born."[4] Contention #2 - There is a moral obligation to preserve innocent human life Man is a moral agent, a being with free will whose actions have moral import. Because of our freedom we are bound by duty to act morally or, if you prefer, ethically. Morality may be derived from either philosophy or religion. I shall be making a philosophical case for the moral obligation to preserve human life using Kant's three Formulations of the Imperative. The First Formulation of the Imperative "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law without contradiction." Immanuel Kant, Groundwork of Metaphysic of Morals[5] Clearly we would not want the justified taking of innocent life to become a universal law without contradiction. This would result in chaos, bloodshed and (depending on your interpretation of this First Formulation) the extinction of the human race. The Second Formulation of the Imperative "Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end but always at the same time as an end." Immanuel Kant, Groundwork of Metaphysic of Morals[6] The taking of innocent life violates this Formulation because it disregards and devalues the free will of the victim and sees them as an end in themselves. The Third Formulation of the Imperative "Therefore, every rational being must so act as if he were through his maxim always a legislating member in the universal kingdom of ends." Immanuel Kant, Groundwork of Metaphysic of Morals[7] To explain this Formulation, I quote from an article on deontological ethics by the Seven Pillars Institute for Global Finance and Ethics: Using reasoned judgment we can apply this formula to any maxim and discover whether it is morally permissible under deontological ethics. Let's take, for example, the act of picking flowers from the local park. The flowers are very pretty, and one may want to take some home. Essentially, this requires adopting a maxim that supports doing whatever one wants to do. Using the formula of the universal law (categorical imperative), there are a few irrationalities and contradictions that arise from the adoption of such a maxim as law. If everyone were to do this, there would be no flowers left in the park, and the act contradicts the original motive for picking the flowers. The better option is to go to a shop and order or plant one's own flowers.[8] The taking of innocent life unarguably carries moral implication on far grander and more devastating scale than the picking of flowers. Contention #3 - This moral obligation is of the highest order As can be evidenced by the Formulations of the Imperative, ignoring this moral obligation results in greater devastation than the violation of any other moral obligation can (including such hypothetical consequences as the extinction of the human race). Clearly, then, it supersedes any other demands upon our free will. Sources 1. http://www2.una.edu... 2. http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu... 3. http://www.thefreedictionary.com... 4. http://www.merriam-webster.com... 5. http://sevenpillarsinstitute.org... 6. Ibid. 7. Ibid. 8. Ibid.

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  • CON

    The World Health Organisation for instance points out...

    The Circumcision of minors without absolute medical necessity should be banned

    To answer point by point "In response to my opponents argument- though some forms of Genital alterations on women are legal, all forms of body altering procedures are prohibited to be preformed on minors." Wrong and shown to be incorrect by your own sources. This unevidenced statement which contradicts your own sources and is backed up by no proof adds nothing to your argument due to already having been proven incorrect in the last round. I mean even if you hadn't already disproven your argument this fails to pass a common sense review. You think all body altering procedures are prohibited on minors? You've never seen a 15 year old with earrings? Male Circumcision is not a minor cosmetic procedure, instead, it refers to the removal of a specialized part of the male genitals, the most sensitive part as a matter of fact. The equivalent would be to cut out a girls clitoris, which is illegal, and a blatant violation of bodily autonomy. This is both ignorant and offensive. It is ignorant because cutting off a girl's clitoris would be the equivalent to removing the penis glands (the head of the penis) not the foreskin. The clitoris glans and penis glans are homologous meaning they form from the same embryological precursor [1]. Indeed, due to the two sharing a common purpose, function and design it should seem obvious they are linked. It is offensive because female genital mutliation is objectively far worse than circumcision. Female circumcision can remove the pleasure from sex almost entirely for women for the entirety of their lives [2]. Meanwhile peer reviewed scientific studies have found that when you compare circumcised men to non-circumcised men "Penile sensitivity did not differ across circumcision status for any stimulus type or penile site." [3]. Female circumcision typically causes a host of health issues including [2] constant pain repeated infections, which can lead to infertility bleeding, cysts and abcesses problems passing urine or incontinence depression, flashbacks and self-harm problems during labour and childbirth, which can be life-threatening for mother and baby Meanwhile Male circumcision gives health benefits. The World Health Organisation for instance points out that "Male circumcision is one of the oldest and most common surgical procedures worldwide, and is undertaken for many reasons: religious, cultural, social and medical. There is conclusive evidence from observational data and three randomized controlled trials that circumcised men have a significantly lower risk of becoming infected with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)." [4] There is no negative effects known for circumcision itself, only for medical negligence in performing surgical procedures which is something that applies to every type of surgery and even then is tiny with a peer reviewed scientigic study finding that "benefits exceed risks by at least 100 to 1" and suggests that "When considered together with ethical and human rights arguments, neonatal circumcision should logically be strongly supported and encouraged as an important evidence-based intervention akin to childhood vaccination". [5] This is based on an extensive review of the literature and studies to date. To compare the two as if they were the same is to misuse and demean the suffering of women who have suffered genital mutilation which in no way comapres to circumcision. If you think male circumcision should be banned then you should argue based on the issues with male circumcision itself, now with inappropriate comparisons. Lastly, I would point out that the freedom to practice religion is enshirned in the Universal Decleration of Human Rights (article 18). Infringing people's religious rights is a violation of one of the most fundamental and basic sets of morality governming all humankind. [6] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org... [2] http://www.nhs.uk... [3] https://tinyurl.com... [4] http://www.who.int... [5] http://www.sciencedirect.com... [6] http://www.un.org...

  • CON

    Not only that, but the definition of what a good,...

    A teacher's pay should be merit-based.

    First of all, I thank my opponent for his thorough response. I'll be addressing arguments in general at first, and then I'll address specific arguments after that. It seems to me that this debate now needs an overview, as my opponent has now offered up a plan from my source (fairtest.org) in order to fix all of the problems I claim are inherent in the prospect of teacher merit pay. First of all, this means that if I can disprove his alternative being viable, I've gained incredibly strong footing in this debate. Furthermore, if I can prove that the inherent harms of merit pay exist no matter the assessment system used, I believe I will have won this debate. I will do so now. 1. The peer evaluation system is not politically, logistically, or ethically viable, or at least not moreso than a standardized testing model. What my opponent doesn't tell you about my source is the reason for its analysis. If you read the entire page I cite, you will find that I cited it because it does a wonderful job of summarizing the problems with universal assessment systems involving standardized tests, which are a cornerstone of US assessment, and probably aren't going away any time soon. What that organization does not address at all is the implementation of the peer evaluation system in any sort of universal sense. That's because not even the most highly qualified educational experts would recommend this. This has been a serious problem for over 5 decades. Why haven't we implemented this yet? We haven't because it isn't a number of important things: a. It isn't universally applicable in any way: keep in mind that my opponent clearly conceded that, in order to pay a teacher based on merit, the measurement of the merit must be universally established. My analogy: if one 5th grade class is on times tables and another is on addition and subtraction, the two classroom teachers should not receive equal pay just because students are showing academic achievement. Clearly, one class is conceptually behind. The peer evaluation system is fraught with bias and subjective opinion. Which teachers will assess? How will the localities be assigned assessment teachers? How will we ensure that all assessors have the same concept of how to meet educational goals? Educational research strongly discourages universal curriculum for the very reason that all students are individuals. They should all end up with the same knowledge at the end, but the students may not apply it in the same ways. Which way is the right way? Standardized tests tried to address this, but are failing miserably. b. It isn't logistically possible: teachers are already incredibly pressed for time, especially with shrinking budgets and school years. Not only that, but the definition of what a good, experienced teacher is varies from state to state, even from district to district. Finding enough teachers who have the time, resources, and proper training and skills to assess millions upon millions of classrooms is unrealistic, and a bureaucratic nightmare. c. It doesn't solve the problem of flawed assessment systems: how will peer evaluating teachers measure academic success? Via grades? GPA? Test scores? Project results? All are still based on flawed systems of measurement. We run into the same problems as before. If a peer assessor is looking for students who are able to score high marks on a given project at the end of a unit of instruction, the teacher, again, can inflate grades or artificially manipulate performance in numerous ways to pass his or her evaluation. This is inherent to merit-based pay. There are always ways to cheat a system, especially one that is so bogged down and bloated as judging teams for each classroom. The ONLY way to stop this behavior is not to base pay on merit. Now, onto the rest of the debate. I'll address my opponent's responses to my arguments: 1. I've disproved my opponents alternative as viable above. I also would like to point out his concession on accountability requiring universal standards, which is key to why his alternative cannot be successful. 2. Corruption is inherent in merit-based pay. When performance affects pay, there will always be individuals who attempt to gain more pay by cheating the given system. The perceived success rate is based on the ability to cheat. My evidence proves that there are myriad ways to inflate academic performance, and that those ways have already been heavily exploited. Furthermore, please highlight my example of state governments manipulating student performance in response to the No Child Left Behind Act. That's huge, because states were not doing this until their educational performance affected school budgets. It is directly analogous to the affect merit pay will have on individual schools and students. 3. The problems of socioeconomic, ethnic, and geographic locations will still exist within that utopian plan. These problems are inherent with or without peer evaluation. There is nothing to say that a given peer evaluation team would not be a suburban team coming into a rural school, or an urban team coming into a suburban school, where the learning environment can be completely different. We cannot eliminate human bias from any plan, and we certainly can't expect to solve a couple hundred years of problems with one seemingly simple fix. Even if this system doesn't further entrench the inequities of society within education (which it probably will—statistically, schools are more segregated by specific population than they were prior to Topeka v. Board), the inequities will continue, and my scenario of teachers flocking to places where merit-based pay is far more likely will become a quick reality. And my opponent's initial advocacy: 1. The actual ability of a student is a requirement of testing. That is the accountability I keep talking about. The public will not accept, and should not accept, two classrooms of the same grade with vastly different abilities. How does that serve education? Improvement is only a piece of achievement, as my opponent admits in his initial debate posting. The reason standardized tests are even used was a failed attempt to ensure that accountability. Any solution must include it. 2. While you may think it is easy to implement, two things stand in the way of us accepting this as a possible reality: my above analysis in this post, and the fact that 50 years of research has not led to a peer evaluation implementation for universal student achievement assessment. 3. Well, if the example of sales can't be used to demonstratively prove anything about teaching, I suppose it isn't necessary to the debate. The police officer analogy is much closer to the teaching profession in terms of importance and accountability, which clearly proves my point dexterously. 4. However, the corruption isn't just tied to standardized tests. It's deeper than that. Even the letter grades that my opponent refers to in his initial advocacy can easily be manipulated, as can an observed day of "performance" by students. The system my opponent proposes cannot fix the inherent flaws of merit pay. 5. For the most part, the impacts I list in my case are inherent to merit pay, not inherent to standardized testing. The evidence I cite uses standardized testing scenarios, but the same scenarios are a very plausible reality in any system because any system that is merit-based will invite and encourage (inadvertently, but still encourage) corruption. Thus, I negate the resolution. I look forward to my opponent's response!

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  • CON

    1] c. When dealing with the DP, extra measures should be...

    The Death Penalty Should be Abolished.

    *Counterarguments* ~Contention 1~ Again, you make the misconception that the death penalty is mainly about economic benefit, or deterrence effect, THOUGH those points could be argued. The main reason why a death penalty is instated is not because it's a "solution" to crime, but because it is justice or deontological you could say. a. Immanuel Kant's categorical imperative is famously summarized as "act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law." A crime is a violation of social law, of the society in which the person observes. By committing a murder or another heinous crime, the criminal universalized his action, and thus they lose the right to be members of the society and need to be punished. Kant has two conceptions of crime; private and a social crime. A private crime is like deceiving a person to gain personal goods, while a social crime is like theft or murder. The difference is that social crimes affects society, while private crimes affect a person; though the severity of both are not different. However, for social crimes it is up to society, to government, that this be punished. b. A crime shouldn't be punished on basis of social benefit, THOUGH one could argue, points such as deterrence are still valid. The main point of death penalty however, should lie in moral absolutism: this is the foundation of human rights. If we were to punish people based on societal benefit, then this could justify punishing innocent people if doing such will benefit society. c. In a crude interpretation, you could conceive of this argument as an "eye for an eye". By most accounts this is valid, but do remember the notion of retributive justice; the punishment must be proportionate to the crime. The corresponding punishment for murder is the death penalty. The right to life is the most basic and fundamental right to humans; life no matter how bad is more preferable to death (Kant explains this by illustrating the example of suicide). By violating this right, your own right is discarded. d. A system of laws that fails to punish criminals is weak, and since laws are what create a society, the society in turn is weak. This is why punishment must be dealt out; it would undermine the moral values to not otherwise. ~Contention 2~ Now deriving from my counterargument in contention 1, it is valid to completely discard this economic notion. 1. For the sake of argument, let's say your statistic are correct. a. Prisoners can and often do kill others in the prison system. b. 70% of criminals released from prison in California come return to the prison for another offense. [1] c. When dealing with the DP, extra measures should be taken to ensure accurate rulings. Remember, my argument from the philosophy of Kant means that arguments from economics are irrelevant. Social benefit isn't the reason for justice. This is the nature of deontological ethics. "Haha, yeah a murderer will never commit a crime again when punished with the death penalty, because he or she is deprived of the life in which crimes can be committed. My opponent appears to be getting back at me for a debate in which I brought up semantics and technicalities and won." -I can't see where my opponent is getting at. This point is valid; murders will almost always be murders. Statistics show that released or escaped murders to kill more, and with he advent of the death penalty, this can be solved. YET again, I do want to stress the importance of my first argument; from Kantian ethics. Social benefit is never part of the case. "A rapist isn't punished with rape. Following that logic, a murderer should not be punished with murder. See how the "eye for an eye" punishment is so profoundly illogical?" -Right to life is a fundamental liberty of all humans. To break it is to jeopardize your own. Rape can be consolidated in other terms. ~Contention 4 (it should actually be 3)~ Unjust usage of the law does not undermine the death penalties principles. You have failed to show how increasing court appointed attorney's salaries is difficult, and how the law being fallible is relevant to the death penalty's validity. Just because we don't have a perfect or a more ideal system of laws does not mean the DP should not be instated. As it stands right now, it is morally correct. ==> Important Note <== If my argument with Kantian ethics still stand, then all my opponent's points should be discarded. This is the crux of my argument, and I encourage my opponent to entail his main concern with it. If it remains to be justified by the end of this debate, then things such as economic benefit aren't relevant, as I have explained in Kantian ethics such things are never part of the case.

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  • CON

    There are no conclusive facts that more provisions of the...

    palmer should not receive the inheritance from the will.

    The defedant caused the death to the will writer, Francis B Palmer. 2. The power and construction of a will should be respected in ever sense. 3. To test a will's basic principle, one should consider that a court has no right of altering, annualling and / or voiding an already existing will upon it's writer's death. 4. There aren't any statues that support that the defendant should be denied any funds from the will because of his past criminal acts. 5. To accept such facts mentioned about the defedant criminal actions is to expand the statues that makes this particular case expost factor. 6. There are no conclusive facts that more provisions of the will were ever going to take place before the testor death. 7. No will shall ever be alter, revoked, as the court main priority is this case. 8. Therefore, should the court decide take away money that belong to the defendant that belong to the defendant, the court would be making a new will or altering one. Non-controversial: 1. A valid will should always remain as it is unless a law or a statue to be otherwise. 2. The will of Frances B. Palmer is said to include his grandson as a heir to a part of his estate. 3. Therefore, defandant Palmer should have the right to funds in accordance with the will. Contoversial: The court does not have the right nor the power to rewrite or alter an existing will.

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  • CON

    2: "Crimes such as murder, rape and terrorism are such...

    Those Convicted of Serious Offences should be used for Medicine

    Much thanks to Cerebral_Narcissist for implementing this death penalty debate with a twist. The resolution in this debate is not the most clear but I will avoid the obvious semantic argument of misinterpreting my opponent's position as advocating that violent criminals should be consumed as a prescription medication. It would be helpful to have a clearer definition of "serious offences". The examples given include murder, rape and terrorism but it is unclear if these are the only crimes that my opponent advocates this penalty for, or exactly where he draws the line. I would personally include burglary, large scale fraud and arson as "serious offences" but I'm not sure if my opponent recommends the death penalty for these crimes. My opponent is arguing two distinct issues: 1. The death penalty should exist as punishment for "the most serious offences" (although the specific offences are not clearly defined.) 2. Criminals facing the death penalty should be experimented on and have their organs harvested for the sake of medical science. As the second case can not apply without the first, it is on the very existence of the death penalty that my arguments will focus, rather than the specific fate of those convicted, although I will examine the second issue as it arises. I will address my opponent's arguments before presenting my own. ---- 1:"Rights carry obligations. By committing such heinous offences the criminal should forfeit all rights." It is difficult to respond appropriately to this point without having a clear idea of what "rights" my opponent refers to. It seems that he accepts that some rights exists and his earlier use of the phrase "human rights" suggests that he may be referring to the rights set out in the UDHR. http://en.wikipedia.org... The whole point of 'universal' human rights is that they are universal and apply to all, without exception. To forfeit one's human rights is to forfeit one's humanity and I'm sure that Pro is not suggesting that people transform into another species when they commit terrible crimes. The most basic and fundamental of all rights is the right to life, execution clearly violates this. I have yet to hear of a Universal Declaration of Human Obligations. ---- 2: "Crimes such as murder, rape and terrorism are such terrible crimes that the criminal is unlikely ever to be 'rehabilitated' and should never be freed to endanger society." This is a baseless opinion presented with no evidence whatsoever. Many offenders, even those convicted of the most horrific crimes have been successfully rehabilitated. http://www.legaled.com... http://www.insideprison.com... Consider the hypothetical example of a woman who has been raped. The criminal justice system lets her down, the case is thrown out of court and her attacker walks free. She then plots and murders him. Is it fair to execute this woman? Is there not a good chance that she can be rehabilitated? Even if someone could not be rehabilitated at all then they don't necessarily need to ever be set free but this connects with the next point. ---- 3: "Permanent incarceration is a drain on the resources of the State and it is amoral to expect the taxpayer to support such people." It is a well documented fact that the death penalty is drastically more expensive than the alternative option of life imprisonment. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org... http://answers.yahoo.com... "Whilst imprisoned there is always the chance that the prisoner may harm prison staff or escape back into society." Escape is extremely rare. Much,much rarer than wrongful conviction. Escape from maximum security prison is almost unheard of. Almost all escapes occur during work release or outdoor programmes and almost all escapees are recaptured straight away. http://www.dc.state.fl.us... Prison guards are adequately trained, equipped, resourced, paid and mean to defend themselves and other staff. ---- 4: "Simple execution fails to give anything back to society." Agreed. Complicated execution is not much better however. Linking back to the last point, life in prison with forced or voluntary labour can also be very productive and make substantial contributions to society. http://berkeley.edu... ---- 5. "Medical testing on animals raises ethical concerns" Agreed. "people are more concerned with the well being of an average rabbit than they are of a rapist." I am thoroughly unconvinced by this assertion. My opponent will need to back this up. I don't think the majority of people think animals have equivalent rights to humans. http://www.pulpless.com... ---- 6: "Medical testing on animals is of limited scientific value." This is true in the sense that there is a limit on how valuable any scientific endeavour is and of course the fact that there are existing ethical limitations on their treatment but there is a great deal of value in animal testing, particularly on animals with DNA patterns very similar to our own. "Supporters of the practice, such as the British Royal Society, argue that virtually every medical achievement in the 20th century relied on the use of animals in some way" http://en.wikipedia.org... ---- 7: "The testing of new drugs or procedures on patients or paid volunteers is unethical, why should normal members of society be used as guinea pigs when we have a surplus of unproductive and worthless criminals?" It is with this point that the inconsistency of Pro's human rights argument becomes most exposed. If it is unethical to experiment on a paid volunteer as my opponent claims it is, then this is actually infringing on that individual's liberty. How can voluntary experimentation be unethical but forcing it on the unwilling be perfectly acceptable. Many criminals, including some murderers are perfectly 'normal' people. As noted in my responses to previous points, criminals can make productive and worthwhile contributions to society. Dehumanising them achieves nothing. ________ After addressing my opponent's points I have limited space with which to present my own arguments. I reserve the right to add new ones in the next round. 1. The risk of wrongful conviction. With the application of the death penalty it is inevitable that innocent people will be executed. Such an act by the state illegitimises the entire justice system and is morally abhorrent. For examples of such cases see these links: http://officeofstrategicinfluence.com... http://www.abanet.org... There is currently huge controversy in Texas over the execution of a man five years ago where forensic evidence is now found to be at fault. http://www.kwtx.com... ----- 2. Moral hypocrisy. The first example of a "serious offence" that my opponent offers is murder so let us focus for a moment on murder. Murder is a legal term but it is also a moral one that covers all kinds of intentional killing. http://en.wiktionary.org... A state that imposes the death penalty is claiming to condemn murder while carrying it out. Unless one believes that two wrongs make a right execution can not be justified. ---- 3. The Brutalisation effect. There is a great deal of evidence to suggest that rather than acting as a deterrent, state execution can actually cause an increase in the homicide rate. http://bpp.wharton.upenn.edu... http://www.prisonactivist.org... ---- Out of space, so I'll hand over to my opponent. Thanks.

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  • CON

    Government's reason to incentivize marriage Firstly, I...

    The government should recognize same-Sex marriages

    I thank my opponent for proposing this debate, and I hope we both can understand more about this important topic. 1. Government's reason to incentivize marriage Firstly, I would like to say the true reason the government incentives marriage is because it a benefit to children who are a part of these marriages. Children of intact families are better off than other family structures including divorced, single parent, step families, and more [1]. 2. Marriage Public or Private My opponent claims that the state should not be involved in personal endeavors such as marriage. This is a major problem for two reasons. One, marriage isn't just a personal endeavor. Marriage serves as the basic social unit of a healthy society. The effects of marriage are numerous including better mental/physical health, stronger economically, children are better off, crime is reduced [2]. Also, you can be married without the government approval of sex partners, and two homosexuals can marry each other and commit to each other for life, but they will not get recognition in most states. Two, by saying that marriage is a personal endeavor it makes the government get out of marriage all together, in which case the government would not recognize any marriages including same-sex ones. 3. Role of the Government My opponent claims that it is not the job of the U.S. Government to ensure the prevention of any hazardous disease which might be spread through sexual endeavor. However, it is the job to promote the general welfare which includes trying to prevent disease and promoting health. Which is why we have the CDC who's mission is "to protect America from health, safety and security threats, both foreign and in the U.S. Whether diseases start at home or abroad, are chronic or acute, curable or preventable, human error or deliberate attack, CDC fights disease and supports communities and citizens to do the same" [3]. Notice, how it mentions diseases at home. 4. Civil Rights There are two problems about sexual preference being a civil right like women's suffrage. One, comparing women's suffrage to Same-Sex marriage is a poor comparison. Arguments against women's suffrage included that it would cause divisions in families, Women already have influence due to influence over men, and women who take proper care of the house hold don't have time for politics [4]. These arguments are completely different than arguments defending traditional marriage. Two, Sexual Preference does not meet the requirements for civil rights. The unifying characteristics of the protected classes within the Civil Rights Act of 1964 include (1) a history of longstanding, widespread discrimination, (2) economic disadvantage, and (3) immutable characteristics" [5]. It might be possible that you could prove widespread discrimination, but it is nothing compared to the 1960s. We have never made Homosexuals sit at the back of the bus, or have separate schools/public areas. Next, we have economic disadvantage. A 2012 study shows that Homosexuals actually tend to have more money [6]. So, there is no economic disadvantage. Third, sexuality is not immutable. There have been many people who have changed orientation [7]. There wasn't a former woman, without surgery, so sexual preference doesn't not meet this criteria either. Concluding, sexual preference is not a civil right. 5. Marriage is more than love "Mutual affection and companionship between partners is a common, although not universal, feature of marriage" [8]. "A core purpose of marriage is to guarantee that, insofar as possible, each child is emotionally, morally, practically, and legally affiliated with the woman and the man whose sexual union brought the child into the world." [8] This shows that marriage is about procreation. This why the government regulates it. "'[S]ex makes babies, society needs babies, and children need mothers and fathers.' Connecting sex, babies, and moms and dads is the social function of marriage and helps explain why the government rightly recognizes and addresses this aspect of our social lives." [8] The procreative argument was held up in many courts [9][14] such as Baker v. Nelson [10], Jones v. Hallahan [11], Singer v. Hara [12], Citizens for Equal Protection v. Bruning [13]. Showing that defining marriage is constitutional. Marriage should not be extended to same-sex couples because homosexual relationships have nothing to do with procreation. Allowing gay marriage would only further shift the purpose of marriage from producing and raising children to adult gratification. Marriage should remain the union of one man and one woman because marriage is more than just love. 6. Marriage Historically "Although certain aspects of the institution of marriage have varied from society to society, it has universal functions. These universal functions are: 1. Complementing nature with culture to ensure the reproductive cycle; 2. Providing children with both a mother and a father whenever possible: 3. Providing children with their biological parents whenever possible; 4. Bringing men and women together for both practical and symbolic purposes; and 5. Providing men with a stake in family and society." [8] The Netherlands was the first country to recognize Homosexual marriages in 2001 [15]. No society has established same-sex marriage as a cultural norm. Leading linguists, lawyers, philosophers, and social scientists have always understood marriage to be uniquely concerned with regulating naturally procreative relationships between men and women and providing for the nurture and care of the children who result from those relationships" [8]. 7. The Slippery Slope If love is all that matters in marriage then other restrictions on marriage like Polygamy bans, Incest prohibitions, Age restrictions should be allowed too since all of them are able to love each other. Support for Polygamy is on the rise; according to a Gallup poll people who think Polygamy is morally acceptable has double in the last decade. [16] Also, recently a Federal Judge in Utah struck down polygamy ban as unconstitutional, and he relied on a line of reasoning utilized to impose same-sex marriage. [17] "If the natural sexual complementary of male and female and the theoretical procreative capacity of an opposite-sex union are to be discarded as principles central to the definition of marriage, then what is left? According to the arguments of the homosexual “marriage” advocates, only love and companionship are truly necessary elements of marriage. But if that is the case, then why should other relationships that provide love, companionship, and a lifelong commitment not also be recognized as “marriages”—including relationships between adults and children, or between blood relatives, or between three or more adults? And if it violates the equal protection of the laws to deny homosexuals their first choice of marital partner, why would it not do the same to deny pedophiles, polygamists, or the incestuous the right to marry the person (or persons) of their choice?" [18]. There is further proof corroborating these claims. Going back to the Netherlands the country that first legalize Homosexual marriage that "the Netherlands polygamy has been legalized in all but name" [19] In 2005 a civil union of three people were "married" [19]. Concluding, marriage should not be redefined because it will lead to more re-definitions of marriage. Sources [1] http://www.familystructurestudies.com... [2] http://www.foryourmarriage.org... [3] http://www.cdc.gov... [4] http://www.slate.com... [5] http://www.lc.org... [6] http://www.leagle.com... [7] http://www.voices-of-change.org... [8] http://www.scribd.com... [9] http://seattletimes.com... [10] http://gaymarriage.procon.org... [11] http://www.leagle.com... [12] http://www.leagle.com... [13] http://media.ca8.uscourts.gov... [14] http://www.frcblog.com... [15] http://www.bbc.com... [16] http://www.gallup.com... [17] http://www.nomblog.com... [18] http://downloads.frc.org... [19] http://www.brusselsjournal.com...

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    3) Incon. ... Over to my opponent!

    Universal Background Checks, as recently proposed in the US Senate, would not mitigate crime

    1) Main Argument Re -I never contested the legitimacy that not registering a gun is always illegal. I am well aware that not all guns must be registered, but that's not the question today we are suppose to be facing. The question is --hypothetically speaking -- if the US senate were to make universal background checks today it would not have an effect on crime. My BOP is to show it would prevent crime instead. Indeed, the main issue here then is what should the law ought to be? And I showed through the examples of Canada, Findland, Switzerland, and Australia that statistically speaking the results overwhelmingly favor background checks and heavy gun regulation to prevention of crime. -Secondly, it is enforceable, the problem is the NRA striking down such bills in which enable the law enforcers to uphold the law. For instance, http://www.bloomberg.com...; This bill would have regulated the private transactions between buyer and seller, espescially in the loop-holes of the law, so places like the internet would have had to adhere to the same regulations of reporting like any other gun salesman. Sounds equitible no? Well, looks like only business are subjected to giving background checks, meaning that a loophole is in place, and is the only reason why the law does not work. In fact, the Colombine shooters did the same thing as previously noted. http://thinkprogress.org... 80% of guns used in crimes are done through private sales such as person to person rather than business to person, because that's the only way criminals can get their guns. If the law ought to regulate that, crime would certainly decrease, and the studies I used from Harvard health clearly show this data is solid as well. 2) Senarios Re: - Even if assuming those guns are not registered, all guns manufactured in the US do have a serial number, and the data is easy to obtain via a database when looking up the serial number. Why can we not do this with purchasers of weapons as well? The info often gives the manufacturer, and the seller, from there the seller may identify who the buyer is. This does not require a registry, though a registry would make this process far easier and a lot more cheaper. 3) Incon. vs Saftey Re - I never asked for the law to create a morality, only to regulate the consuming of that in which can be fatal to one's self and/or to others. And while I agree that laws need an enforcement mechanism, that mechanism was stopped by --once again the NRA -- from allowing that to happen in the first place. One example is the gun segment on the Jon Stewart Daily Show in which showed a leader from the NRA going aginst the Brady Bill as "unconstitutional" even though it has been shown to prevent suicides, and delay shootings. Furthermore, if my opponent is correct and those criminals simply have no fear, this is not an argument for more gun freedom, but rather less. If criminals do not fear anything, then why fear a gun? That would create more crime not less, as the lack of fear makes perfectly good citizens culpible for man-slaughter upon shooting a criminal. 4) Stats Re -Which is why I noted that a strong correlation exists with increase gun control and less crime. However as a matter of fact, the Harvard Studies I used were done with cross-sectional data, showing a distinct long-term pattern for more gun control within a controlled experiement as a result http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... Indeed, the stats seem to imply that an indirect systemic causation is in place and in favor of more gun regulation. 5) What About Other Countries Re - ....Sir, apples are comparable to oranges! They're both fruit, round, warm in colors, ... Mexico does NOT have full gun regulation, actually it's a constitutional right to all, and again with how bad their laws are you've proven my point http://en.wikipedia.org... Same as Brazil, heavy gun regulation is a new thing just coming in http://en.wikipedia.org... clearly on this small amount of data (5 years) it would be a hasty conclusion to decide that gun control has failed Brazil, we need at least 10 -15 years to see a long-term trend in Gun regulation's success or failures. Even then the results of Brazil is also in favor of my argument, as Brazil is one of the largest arms dealers in the world, earlier studies I posted clearly showed more guns equates to more crimes. Furthermore, it is applicable, Canada, and Swtizerland are both incredibly differing countries. Yet they both had the same results on gun regulations, same as Findland and Australia. This idea that somehow the US is the only exception is outright wrong. The fact of the matter is, is that gun regulation simply works. It knows no differing countries! Background checks show that preventing everyone from having a gun decreases crime. 6) Self -Defence - No it does not. http://www.hsph.harvard.edu... Guns are used more often to intimidate than that for self-defence, and are only used in cases of escallating arguments more commonly. Which is still socially undesireable. Guns do not deter crime. They escallate them. - Furthermore, if my opponent conceeds to my point about the second amendment being violated due to background checks, then legally, there is no reason for my opponent to oppose background checks. He indirectly conceeds to the fact that it's not an inconviencne to gun owners as well, because nothing of these checks is harmful to the person, they're justa precaution. http://www.hsph.harvard.edu... -And it's not that simple, State v. Faulkner, 483 A.2d 759,769 (Md. 1984) is an example of a man being charged with involuntary manslaughter because he incorrectly thought he had the right to kill someone, but that use of force was unreasonable, but what exactly is reasonable the courts never actually define, making it difficult to tell. 7) Home Run Indeed I think we should, as Somalia isn't the only country with this issue, South Africa also has this problem of people arming themselves, which escallates the issue not defuses it! http://www.guardian.co.uk...; This is also an issue in Afghanistan, where purchasing an AK-47 goes for US $150 Again, a strong correlation to gun ownership follows with higher amounts of crime, likewise the opposite is true as well, that less guns = less crimes. Thank you! Over to my opponent!