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    The Camp for Climate Change is a peaceful group of...

    Protests have drawn attention to climate issues

    The Camp for Climate Change is a peaceful group of protestors setting up tents outside the European Climate Exchange (near Liverpool Street Satation). It has recieved a lot of coverage and shows the great public support for Climate Change action. This is the first time climate has been officially on the agenda for an international summit such as this and it is good that this is being highlighted.

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    He provides nine links as "mistakes" of climate change...

    Climate denial is unusual in the scientific community

    Misrepresentation of greenhouse concerns Con managed to find recent examples of politicians blaming hurricanes and forest fires on climate change, and has cited how humans are not in danger of asphyxiation, but he has neglected the long-established mainstream concerns of the scientific community. They now deserve review. Atmospheric CO2: CO2 does not deflect visible light, which is what originally makes it to the earth's surface. Upon reaching the earth's surface, visible light is partially absorbed by the earth or water, and partially reflected. The reflection process lowers its energy level, turning it into infrared light. CO2 deflects infrared light. So CO2's reflective properties for the earth are one-directional. Visible light pass downward unperturbed, but upward infrared is deflected downwards / sideways. This effectually increases the amount of light striking the surface of the planet, which at current greenhouse levels protects life from the freezing cold of space, and at future levels threatens to roast life - not to death, but to ecological disequilibrium. Atmospheric Ozone: Unlike most greenhouse gases, ozone deflects ultraviolet light, which is dangerously energetic. While most greenhouse gases keep life on earth warm and cozy, ozone prevents UV rays from directly burning life forms. Climate change from emission of halocarbons and CFCs are thankfully already regulated because of their ability to destroy ozone, but they are one more example of the potential for anthropogenic climate change. Oceanic: The oceans currently absorb atmospheric CO2 and are undergoing a resulting drop in pH. They are also currently absorbing most of the extra heat from the sun, and therefore are experiencing a rise in temperature. Once they heat to a certain point, the oceans are expected to start releasing CO2 back into the atmosphere, which may include massive reserves that have been down there for millions of years. Con points to the seasonal increase in ice, ignoring the seasonal decrease in ice (see logical fallacy: Texas Sharpshooter), and to a non-scientific news article that predicted we would not have ice at this time (see logical fallacy: Fallacy). Fallacious Logic: Anecdotal [26] vs. Statistical Evidence and Misinterpretation of Mistakes [27]: If a physicist miscalculates the speed of the moon, it doesn't disprove the theory of gravitation. If we argued about whether gravity existed, it would be perfectly fair for Con to cite research projects that conclude that Newton's calculus systematically fails at predicting the paths of celestial bodies, but if Con cannot find such research conclusions, substituting with examples where "meteor alarmists" fail to predict the exact path of a meteoroid for five years brings nothing to the discussion. There are two logical reasons for this: Con would be relying on 1) 'anecdotal' evidence that ignores a larger picture, and 2) an absolutist interpretation in which a single mistake disproves an entire theory. This is the precise mechanism Con used in the first round of this debate. He provides nine links as "mistakes" of climate change theorists, but they scarcely dented the scientific data showing the existence of anthropogenic climate change. He additionally provides one link labeled "bad science," one labeled "manipulations" and two links labeled "lies," which are additionally statistically irrelevant and inevitable. Again, following this logic, would Con conclude that chemotherapy is inneffective because it occasionally doesn't work? No, he would know better, because even though the burden of proof relies on the treatment, instances where it demonstrates validity are more relevant than instances where it does not. What changes so much about people's thought process when contemplating climate change? Con's third properly cited source debunks an incorrect 5-year prediction by BBC, and its author, David Rose, writes as if this debunks every climate change theory on earth. Con's sixth properly cited source responds to a New York Times article, because actual climate science holds that increases in global heat can go undetected to atmospheric readings for decades at a time, partially because the oceans absorb heat as well. Strawman Fallacy [28]: Of the seven sources Con cites properly, the first responds to the hurricane correlation but admits to global warming. The second responds to the wildfire correlation but says nothing of global warming. Climate science never relied on hurricanes or wildfires as evidence. Cherrypicking and the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy [29]: Con's third properly cited source neglects the past century, the past decade, and mentions only that the arctic still gets colder at the proper time of year (and is written by a biased reporter whose profile boasts of shooting down "climate alarmists"). The fourth referred only to antarctic sea ice of 2013 and admitted to an average warming of temperatures, stating “If the warming continues, at some point the trend will reverse,” and even cites a long-established global warming theory that the average increase in temperatures creates hotter and colder extremes (Antarctic temperatures count as extremes). The fifth ignores global polar bear numbers and focuses on the "Polar Bear Capitol of the World," and responds only to "Polar Bear worries," distorting the concerns of mainstream climate scientists who already believe global warming will freeze the colder parts of the globe for the next several decades. The sixth responds to a New York Times article that I can only assume is fallacious - I didn't check, because the New York Times is not a scientific journal, nor is Forbes. Con's seventh properly cited source refers to sea level, which depends on melting ice, which I've already mentioned was never scheduled to happen on mass scales for several more decades, because climate change starts by making hot areas hotter and cold areas colder. Appeal to Nature [30]: Polio, the Flu, infant mortality, the bubonic plague, and a host of other issues are all perfectly natural, but for some reason most of society felt they are worth our attention. While I daresay Con would agree, his basic logical processing once again changes when the topic becomes climate change. "For the purpose of this discussion, "Climate Change" is defined as the NATURAL PROCESS by which the Earth warms and cools" and "I don't believe, however, that we should be spending Trillions or even Billions to try to stop "Climate Change", when it appears to be a NORMAL and NATURAL phenomenon" are fallacious appeals to nature by Con. Accusations of Monetary Incentive: Con has stated that climate research is all about grant money, but hasn't defined any government objective to alarm people about climate change. In fact, the greatest political rivals of climate environmentalism are oil and coal. The government's oil lobby is huge, and many Congressmen have financial investments in oil and deny the existence of climate change. American voters complain to the U.S. government when gas prices go up, and the U.S. government has subsidized oil markets for decades. Coal produces the cheapest electricity prices available, and is commonly painted politically as an employment blessing to coal miners. Also, Con's sixth source responds to "New York Times" hysteria, not scientific hysteria, suggesting a rivalry between corporate news agencies. Ambiguity of Semantics [31]: "it has been common practice amongst the "Anthropogenic Global Warming" advocates to use the term "Climate Change" or simply "Global Warming" to confuse the issue of Climate Change." What? Abuse of sources: Misrepresentation of scientific sources provided: I quote from one of Con's Solar Radiation links: "Over the last 35 years the sun has shown a slight cooling trend. However global temperatures have been increasing. Since the sun and climate are going in opposite directions scientists conclude the sun cannot be the cause of recent global warming. The only way to blame the sun for the current rise in temperatures is by cherry picking the data. This is done by showing only past periods when sun and climate move together and ignoring the last few decades when the two are moving in opposite direction." Con no doubt referenced and pasted his Solar Radiation links thinking they would show that Global Warming occurs because of the sun, when in fact they show the opposite. Selection of non-scientific sources: While he cites scientific sources to discuss Solar Radiation in the comments section, and while he pastes several links from nature.com (claiming they "talk about CO2 and how it isn't really a problem"), the sources he effectively summarizes and properly cites are non-scientific. Lack of citation for relevant sources and overcitation for irrelevant sources: "The AVERAGE temperature for the Earth appears to be about 18c." - It's possible Con means negative 18c, which is what the average temperature of the earth would hypothetically be if the greenhouse effect didn't work. Our existence is a demonstration of its relevance. I would visit his provided source to find out what he really means, but none was provided. Con pasted so many URL's that he avoided reading, summarizing or discussing that he didn't have room to provide actual sources for the facts he cited. He provided so many sources that support my end of this argument that by taking the time to explain them, I scarcely have space to add any more. Since it is my belief that debates have character limits to help force debaters to know what they are talking about, I refuse to follow his example and post a chaotic pool of sources in the comments section. 26. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com... 27. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com... 28. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com... 29. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com... 30. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com... 31. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com...

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    If a scientist takes no stance, they neither support nor...

    Climate Shift

    A suprisingly short response. Framework My opponent has totally ignored the framework thus far, using round 1 for construction instead of acceptance, and round 2 for rebuttals instead of construction. Conduct should be awarded to pro for this reason. Pro's Defence Only the scientists who report opinions have opinions that matter. This is called Voluntary Response Bias. If a scientist takes no stance, they neither support nor deny the existence of climate shift. This point my opponent makes does not meet the burden of proof, and does not fully discredit the scientific consensus. The source my opponent posted does not even fully discredit my argument. Many of my points are left totally unrebbutted, and I forward those points. "The true debate is about the cause of climate change, as we already know it has changed many times before now." This statement is vague and unsourced and isn't a compelling argument. My opponent seeks to rebut my entire argument by a failed discrediting of one source and point. He does not present a compelling case, and his argument does not meet the burden of proof.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-Shift/2/
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    While the entire world needs to reduce their carbon...

    The American government should take an active role in stopping climate change

    Of all contemporary political issues, there is one clear issue that stands out from all of the rest. It stands out because, unlike all other issues, it affects every single person in the world, and every single person who ever will live on this planet. Climate change is a huge problem which could potentially kill us if we don't do something to stop it [1]. Scientists are certain that climate change, at least very significantly, caused by humans [2]. As I always say when I debate religion, you can believe whatever you want, but it's ridiculous to say that the scientific consensus is wrong when you have little to no evidence. Now, since we know that global warming is caused by humans, we will clearly need to change as a society. If you look at the graph of countries in source [3], you will see that the US and China are really close in terms of emissions, but are clearly ahead of other countries. However, China has 4.3 times as many people as the US. So, the average American will emit about 4 times as much carbon as the average Chinese person. That is disgusting. While the entire world needs to reduce their carbon emissions, the US needs to change the most. Unfortunately, it is rather difficult to get 3 million people to change the way they live their lives. That is why the government needs to do something. Now, even though the debate is whether or not the government should do something, it wouldn't do the debate any justice to neglect to talk about what the government could do. First of all, the government could instill a major tax on paper and plastic shopping bags. Paper bags kill countless trees and require huge amounts of energy to produce. Plastic bags obviously are made from oil and they don't biodegrade, so they get in our waterways and do bad things, as you've no doubt seen. Both paper and plastic bags are bad [4]. There is already a movement among environmentally conscious people in which they shop using reusable canvas bags. Those are much more sustainable for the environment, and if paper and plastic bags weren't free anymore, people would be much more inclined to bring their own, or at the very least reuse their old bags. Also, the government could tax big businesses which do not take initiative in protecting the environment. This is a straightforward and easy way to force businesses to care. Lastly (or at least the last one I will mention in this argument), the government could do simple things, such as not allowing offshore drilling. Yes, offshore drilling will reduce our dependence on foreign oil. But our dependence on foreign oil would also be reduced if we simply educed our dependence on oil. It is absolutely ridiculous how much oil we use in the US. We are only home to about 4.5% of the world's population, yet we consume almost a quarter of the oil [5]. That is absolutely ridiculous. We may slam China for being inconsiderate of the environment, so much so that we forget that we are as bad as they are, or way worse per capita. The US is absolutely horrible in terms of environmental protection, and 3 million people won't change spontaneously, at least, not before it's too late. That is why we need the government to get involved now. We don't want it to be too late. I am looking forward to your response! 1. No, I am not just playing in to media hype. Here is an excellent website spelling out exactly how it will kill us, brought to you by our very own EPA: http://www.epa.gov... 2. http://www.epa.gov... "Scientists know with virtual certainty that:..." 3. http://www.epa.gov... 4. http://www.reusablebags.com... 5. http://www.nationmaster.com...

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    The earth's climate has always shifted dramatically...

    Irreversible climate change makes geoengineering unavoidable.

    It is impossible for humans to avoid geoengineering in the future. The earth's climate has always shifted dramatically throughout its history. The Earth will, for instance, enter another ice age fairly soon. Should we, then, just allow this to happen? No, particularly if it means sacrificing millions of human lives and civilization as we know it. We should make the world work for us, not allow it to obliterate us. And, if we assume geoengineering is enevitable, then there is no moral boundary to doing it now, when global warming poses the threat that does to human civilization.

    • http://www.debatepedia.org/en/index.php/Debate:_Geoengineering%2C_solar_shading
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    Developed countries have the greatest capacity to combat...

    developed countries have a higher obligation to combat climate change than developing countries

    Developed countries have the greatest capacity to combat climate change.

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    Developed countries must combat climate change while...

    developed countries have a higher obligation to combat climate change than developing countries

    Developed countries must combat climate change while developing countries have more pressing concerns

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    So if you have the links to those that would be great to...

    Climate Change is a real issue

    I debated against you about a month ago. So far you failed to provide such proof other than claiming it. You have no link to back your proof up. So if you have the links to those that would be great to see and help you state your claim and me to come up with better counterarguments. The average temperature has continued to rise by a degree ever since factory jobs became popular in the industrial revolution. During these times, We used fossil fuels to help the factory running. Trees, Which are to take in carbon dioxide aka CO2, And produce oxygen which we need to breathe and survive. Unfortunately, As the population has grown bigger and bigger, Especially during the baby boom area we have cut down more trees to build buildings such as homes and office spaces to keep up with the population. As we keep cutting down more trees and building more factories, Having more gas-powered vehicles on the road, It severely increases how much Co2 in stuck air. Enginers, Scientist, Business Leaders have all joined forces to address the issues. While we have not found a way to stop it completely. This is the one and the only planet we have. However, For centuries we have to practice the same harmful effects on the environment. Treating all life on Earth. While a 1-degree difference in the average temperature may not seem as bad, It can have destsating effects that include water storages that have started happening. It important that we take action now Sources: https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=gBLQUplzZZo&feature=emb_rel_pause The Atmosphere: Getting a Handle on Carbon Dioxide By Alan Buis, NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=4Uy9b87cYRs&feature=emb_logo Global Temperature Unfortunately, As the population has grown bigger and bigger, Especially during the baby boom area we have cut down more trees to build buildings such as homes and office spaces to keep up with the population. As we keep cutting down more trees and building more factories, Having more gas-powered vehicles on the road, It severely increases how much Co2 in stuck air. Enginers, Scientist, Business Leaders have all joined forces to address the issues. While we have not found a way to stop it completely. This is the one and the only planet we have. However, For centuries we have to practice the same harmful effects on the environment. Treating all life on Earth. While a 1-degree difference in the average temperature may not seem as bad, It can have destsating effects that include water storages that have started happening. It important that we take action now Sources: https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=gBLQUplzZZo&feature=emb_rel_pause The Atmosphere: Getting a Handle on Carbon Dioxide By Alan Buis, NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=4Uy9b87cYRs&feature=emb_logo Global Temperature Change Bloomberg Green https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=bpa0aFY--pE&feature=emb_rel_pause https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=A5ir8AjmRWQ&feature=emb_rel_pause

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-Change-is-a-real-issue/1/
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    The most glaring flaw in this concept is that CCS...

    CCS will take far too long to implement for climate change

    Rainforest Action Network, an environmental non-profit organization, stated the following in a fact sheet on its website titled "The Dirty Truth about Clean Coal," available at www.ran.org (accessed Sep. 17, 2009): "The concept of CCS is that we can curb climate change by capturing the emissions from coal plants and store them underground, safely away from our atmosphere for eternity. The most glaring flaw in this concept is that CCS technology is not likely to be a commercially viable option for at least another decade, and new coal-fired plants are slated to begin construction now. There are also no working models of CCS at a commercial-scale power plant anywhere in the world."

    • http://www.debatepedia.org/en/index.php/Debate:_Carbon_capture_and_storage
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    You have to disprove my statement using logic and not...

    Climate change and global warming are both total nonsense and drivel concepts.

    This is a debate. You have to disprove my statement using logic and not supply some totally irrelevant analogy from the Amazon. You are in breach of the laws of physics here. You are supporting a bunch of climate nincompoop criminals who have huge egos that think they can control the Earth's climate by their words and actions. Humans are like ants and the climate is an elephant. A weather front is 5, 000 kilometres in length in most cases. What are they going to do to stop a weather front? Are they going to erect some wind mills blowing in the opposite direction? Lol

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    The humidity graph had to do with the CO2/water vapor...

    That Humans Are Causing Climate Change

    I would like to thank my opponent for this debate as well, although he doesn't address any of the concerns I had with his arguments or his own arguments' relevancy. The humidity graph had to do with the CO2/water vapor positive feedback loop you argued for in point 6 of your first argument. Thank you again.

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    I accept.

    That Humans Are Causing Climate Change

    I accept.

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    In my debate I will be trying not to persuade you that...

    Anthropogenic global climate change.

    In my debate I will be trying not to persuade you that humans are totally responsible for global warming, but the major cause is from animals etc, with still little help from the humans. It would be totally biased if you wanted me to defend humans completely out of global warming for such as a fart contributes. At the end of this debate I hope to have abolished the Anthropogenic title from your moot, and (as seen from the previous debate) from your stubborn mind. No need for any clarifications. Thank You and good luck!

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Anthropogenic-global-climate-change./4/
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    Accept.

    Climate change is real.

    Accept.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-real./1/
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    Nothing, not even our own minds, are real -- we are...

    Climate change is real.

    Nothing, not even our own minds, are real -- we are living in a simulation. I believe that RationalWiki does a good job of explaining the gist of the argument, since I can't explain it any more briefly with such small character amounts allotted: The ability to simulate: Although human-level minds we are currently familiar with are all implemented by biological brains, there is no reason in principle why a human-level mind might not be implemented by other means, such as a computer with artificial intelligence. How to simulate: One possible method for achieving this level of artificial intelligence, at least in principle, is to simulate the operation of the human brain on a computer so that it is indistinguishable from human intelligence (see Turing test). If the human mind is ultimately material, and there is no immaterial soul needed to explain the human mind, this assumption would seem to be correct. Simulation of people and environment: So, it should be possible, with enough computing power, to simulate many human-level minds (even billions of them), complete with a virtual reality environment for them to inhabit and interact with each other in. These simulated people need have no idea they are being simulated. Computational power: Although the level of computational power needed to achieve the above is far beyond our present capabilities, it is not inconceivable that one day (possibly centuries from now) we will achieve the necessary capabilities to do so Multiple simulations: If we had the power to create such simulations, it is likely we would use it, and use it extensively, creating many such simulations. More simulated entities than real entities: Hence, the number of simulations (millions or billions) will far exceed the number of actual non-simulated worlds (one only) Concluding that we are a simulation: Therefore, almost certainly, we are not actually in the real non-simulated world, but unbeknown to us in one of these simulations.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-real./1/
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    it took a break for labour day. ... Of course its...

    Climate Change is happening - NOW

    it took a break for labour day. . Of course its happeing the point is people are ignoring it, What do you do about that?

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-Change-is-happening-NOW/1/
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    My opponent has made no attempt to respond to my points...

    Anthropogenic climate change.

    My opponent has made no attempt to respond to my points and has thus forfeited this round to me, I win the debate!

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Anthropogenic-climate-change./3/
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    Anyway, let's start off by saying that the General...

    Anthropogenic climate change.

    Actually that was just acceptance, and this was my way of accepting the debate. Anyway, let's start off by saying that the General sientific conscensus used to be that the earth was flat- these guys have been so wrong so many times, why should be believe them now? Back in the 70's they made predctions about where the global temparture was going by 2015, which we now know were completely innacurate. Al Gore predicted that by 2014 we would cease to have any artic or antartic ice sheets. {1} None of which came true; in fact it turns out that the global temparture goes in perods of warmth followed by a cold period, and we are simply following this pattern. {2} In addition to this, Gobal Tempartures are dropping, yes- dropping, not rising. {3} This is why Antartic Sea Ice is growing. {4} Do the math, 3.25% of CO2 emmissions are man made, and 0.04% of ouratmosphere is CO2, {5} the global temparture can only increase by 0.0013% as a result of CO2 emmissions. Mathmatically speaking, it makes no sense that such a small influence on the atmosphere can cause gobal warming. And look at this graph: The temparture has rose by 0.6 degrees in the past 120 years, 0.005 degrees annually. {1}. http://www.dailymail.co.uk... {2}. http://www.longrangeweather.com... {3}. http://www.newsmax.com... {4}. https://www.nasa.gov... {5}. https://www.esrl.noaa.gov...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Anthropogenic-climate-change./3/
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    Man made Global Warming? ... Yes and Man-Bear-Pig is...

    Anthropogenic climate change.

    Man made Global Warming? Yes and Man-Bear-Pig is real, Al Gore told me so.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Anthropogenic-climate-change./3/
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    https://www. ... This is only what I get from the data...

    Climate change is a real thing, And we could be in danger if we don't act fast.

    I hope you won't begrudge me but I had written out a 7, 000 word response with sources but something messed up and it's all gone and I just don't feel like trying to type it all up again so I'll just give a condensed version of what I said. There is a kind of hysteria on the level of cults that comes from the media and the climate activists. As I showed in my previous post, There have been many climate predictions over the last 50 years and all of them have been wrong. Greta and Extinction Rebellion are warning us of an impending crisis if we don't do something about our carbon emissions but we've seen that climate scientist have overstated the urgency of the data as evidenced by a video from the link you provided: https://www. Youtube. Com. . . The Green New Deal in America is suppose to be a policy for America to reduce their carbon footprint but when you read it, You get weird socialist passages like this: ". . . To promote justice and equity by stopping current, Preventing future, And repairing historic oppression of indigenous peoples, Communities of color, Migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, Depopulated rural communities, The poor, Low-income workers, women, The elderly, The unhoused, People with disabilities, And youth (referred to in this resolution as ""frontline and vulnerable communities"");" https://www. Congress. Gov. . . Am I the only one who's confused as to what any of this has to do with climate change? I want to also bring up the example of the Maldives which are small atoll islands that have been predicted to disappear under the sea for at least 30 years. https://trove. Nla. Gov. Au. . . The Former President wanted to buy a new island to house the populous and there were predictions as late as 2018 saying people would have to migrate sooner rather than later. "Hundreds of thousands of people will be forced from their homes on low-lying islands in the next few decades by sea-level rises and the contamination of fresh drinking water sources, Scientists have warned. " https://www. Theguardian. Com. . . https://www. Theguardian. Com. . . This is despite articles stating that climate change might actually help the Maldives grow rather than shrink it. https://theconversation. Com. . . These are not scientific articles, I admit, But given the general fear of the Maldives falling into the sea, Why has the population increased with positive net migration since the early 2000s? https://tradingeconomics. Com. . . https://fred. Stlouisfed. Org. . . Why has foreign direct investment, Net inflows quadrupled since 2000? https://www. Indexmundi. Com. . . (%25%20of%20GDP)%20in%20Maldives, Value%20was%20%2D6. 01%20in%201982. Why did they construct a new runway at their international airport to the tune of US$400 million? https://maldivesindependent. Com. . . This all seems like a waste of money if all the houses built and sold ends up underwater in 30 years. Why are investors and businessmen gambling their money in this way when we're told that the Maldives will be gone? The problem I have with your sources is that they simply assert that climate change is due to our carbon emissions without really proving it. It's one thing to point to the 1860s and make a correlation and causation argument but if we look at data over 450, 000 years, Giving us a much bigger picture, We see that CO2 fluctuated throughout history with global temperature. A variation of 10 degrees Celsius throughout the course of the graph, Keeping in mind that the temperature increases that we're suppose to be worried about peak at 2 degrees Celsius. The graph peaks at around 330 ppm and bottoms out at around 160ppm. So even without human input, There are huge variation in global temperature and natural CO2. http://euanmearns. Com. . . The Mauna Observatory data shows that we are around 400 ppm. A big jump from natural levels but we've still not seen the correlation between CO2 and temperature. https://www. Esrl. Noaa. Gov. . . The greenhouse effect doesn't seem to take place in the way people think. This is only what I get from the data and I admit I'm not an expert in this field but there just doesn't seem to be any evidence that directly correlates CO2 levels with global temperature to make the statement that humans are greatly responsible, Enough at least for us to take any action to stop it.