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  • PRO

    Men generally have less problems dealing with killing a...

    Modern Feminism (Third-Wave Feminism) Destroys Men and Their Families

    I would first off like to take the time to apologize to my opponent. I set a few rules for each round and I realized that in round 4 I did not follow the rules exactly how I posted them. In round 4 the rule I set stated that it was for round 3 rebuttals with with no new arguments, and I clearly used that round for new arguments only. I will acknowledge my mistake to my opponent and to those who vote on the debate. I will now make my closing arguments ... It is said by self proclaimed feminists they fight for equality among both sexes. Third wave feminists tell a whole other story. They don't fight for equality, they fight for women's power over men. Third wave feminists generally want to be stronger than men and will do whatever they can to make it so, even if it goes against science and biology. Science (or nature ... whichever way you look at it) tells us that men and women are both different. In many cases, we are vastly different. While women may be more tolerant to pain, they tend to be much more emotional and therefore not as efficient in scenarios where emotion would typically get in the way of the end goal. Things like front line combat. Men generally have less problems dealing with killing a woman who is wanting to blow up an entire unit that could kill dozens of soldiers, while women would typically get a lot more emotional over it and could compromise the mission and have more casualties in the long run. Women are far more capable of handling children and can multi-task far better than men, which is why they are better suited for taking care of the home and the children, while the men go off to provide for them and to protect them in dangerous situations. This is science. This is biology. Something third wavers like to conveniently ignore to further their agenda. Feminism started off with good intentions. They fought for legitimate women's issues that actually mattered to them and even the rest of society. They fought for women's right to vote. They fought overall male oppression of women, even though they suffered while doing so. However, sometime during the 60's and 70's, feminism began taking a more ominous tone. And it wasn't until sometime in the early 90's that third wave feminism began taking a foothold. They stopped fighting for equality and began fighting to make men a lesser sex than women. And this was obvious in everything from society to television to movies. My opponent sites the Musawah as a feminist group who fights for equality between men and women and claims it is a third wave feminist group. However, this is untrue. Musawah is not a third wave feminist group. If you can even call this group a feminist group, I'm not so sure on that. It seems, as I read their front pages, more to be a human rights group that focuses primarily on the Muslim community in the middle east and other areas. I suppose you can lump it into the feminist category, however definitely not the third wave group. Third wave feminism does destroy men (turning men into women) by brainwashing our young boys into thinking that their natural biology is wrong. You see this in schools all over the country (U.S.) and they are confused. They are taught that if you act like a boy, you will be punished. You cannot have a healthy society by getting rid of, or favoring, one sex over the other. It will destroy that sex and destroy their families by putting them into a situation that is unnatural. To finish, I have no problem with how feminism began. I do have a problem with what it has become. Please take into consideration the differences between first and second wave feminists to third wave feminists while you vote on this debate. http://www.huffingtonpost.com... http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

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    Woman and Men like to be seen AS WOMAN AND MEN if you...

    Feminism is and has achieved equality. 3rd wave feminism is oppressive.

    First of all, I love how I changed my icon to the devil and you changed yours to an angel. I might change it again to a liberal arts female with thick black glasses on. Second, I don't care about how people feel about me - and if you are trying to use what liberal arts people use a lot of, which is visual and emotional cues to con people into feeling you are right, I wont debate with someone like that. I care about what is true, and not bending society to benefit some agenda that "I" have on the back of twisting perceptions and facts and ruining the fabric of what is real just because it benefits an select group of peoples ideologies. Thirdly, the wage gap is used by feminists to support their argument of patriarchy but they EXCLUDE the fact that WOMAN are the REASON why the wage gap exists. If you take a look at the basis people are paid different amounts is BECAUSE of education, experience, professions, time off work and an inability to negotiate salaries. I cannot fill up an entire discussion with proof of feminist intolerance youtube links this is a DEBATE not a cinimatic experience, as THAT is NOT what I am DEBATING. I am debating WHY FEMINISM STILL EXISTS!? Woman DON'T HAVE TO stay home with the kids. Irland is primarily EXTREMELY CATHOLIC - the CHURCH HATES ABORTION Gender stereotypes DON'T EXIST! Woman and Men like to be seen AS WOMAN AND MEN if you don't cross dressers have been around for YEARS, WHO CARES, ITS STILL NOT A FEMINIST TOPIC Who paid for dinner is wildly outdated GAY RIGHTS AND SAME SEX MARRIAGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FEMINISM!!!! If a woman or man does anything PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINIONS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THOUGHT POLICE, if you act like a female people will think whatever the hell they WANT! My link to tumbler shows 1,000s of woman who are AGAINST modern feminism I AM only discussing Western Culture and I DO MENTION IT IN MY STARTING ARGUMENT You said SOCIETY doesnt judge based on a few extremists, why are you making it about my perception of religion when you brought it up and aimed it at society as a WHOLE to which I RETORTED! I don't CARE ABOUT YOUR POINT ABOUT RELIGION! THAT ENTIRE ARGUMENT WAS BASED ON POLICING PEOPLES THOUGHTS AND JUDGMENTS OF OTHERS. I AM JUDGING YOU RIGHT NOW. WITH NOTHING RELATING TO THE DEBATE. I WANT TO GO THROUGH THE INTERNET AND FIND ALL THE STATISTICS OF WOMAN WHO HAVE HIGH PAYING HIGH PROFILE JOBS HOW MANY ARE IN THE WEALTHIEST AND HOW MANY HAVE MARRIED INTO IT (WHICH IS VERY FEW) BUT I. DON'T. THINK. YOU. ARE. DEBATING. FEMINISM. ANYMORE! "There's been plenty of real privileges men have received over women. One e.g: The Representation of the People's Act 1918 allowed men over 21 and women over 30 to vote. That's a 9 year male privilege. The pay gap is another. Husbands were legally allowed to rape their wives until 1991 in the UK. That's a male privilege. Women couldn't serve on submarines in the US until 2010. That's a long time that men have had a privilege over women. Between 1994 and 2013 women in the US military couldn't see combat. Again, another male privilege. Women can only get an abortion in Ireland under VERY strict rules. These aren't distant history, either." This is literally the only thing that pertains to Feminism at all in your argument, but I am so irate at how skewed you are perceiving this debate and drawl of nonsense you are talking about I don't even want to address it. Come and debate with something that correlates to the debate please!

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    Chivalry is dead because feminism killed it. ... Women...

    Feminism killed Chivalry

    Chivalry is dead because feminism killed it. Women want a man to show them chivalry, but yet get mad when men mention it because they claim they can do everything on their own

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    They might not say that all men are rapists, but many do...

    Feminism is no longer about gender equality

    I would like to thank my opponent again for the quality of this debate. I quite enjoyed it. Though there are several variants of feminism, the Feminist establishment, that is the majority of feminist organizations, academic feminists, and feminist media, is well organized and quite monolithic in their views and objectives. As my previous arguments have illustrated, the feminist establishment is not very found of dissent, and that rogue feminists find themselves ostracised from the community and marginalized in the public forum. The independent feminists that do exist are a small disassociated minority and are no where near enough to influence the general public perception of feminism. Of course feminists don't self-identify as misandrists, their ideas are laced with often subtle, and perhaps unintentional, misandry or female chauvinism: They imply that in all areas where women dominate it is due to merit while all the areas that men dominate is due to a legacy of patriarchy and discrimination. If women are better at some things than men and men are better at nothing, are women not superior to men? They might not say that all men are rapists, but many do believe that male sexuality is inherently exploitive; objectification of women (because men are visually simulated) or physical aggression and domination of women (because of a man's sexual role as penetrator, and social role as the initiator of sex). Effectively attacking men for their heterosexuality. How can it be possible that an overwhelmingly female organization can equally represent men. How can it be possible that such an organization can give equal consideration to men's issues. How can it be possible that such an organization can not have a strong female bias. Is it possible? Do you honestly believe that contemporary feminism is as concerned with men as it is with women? Or is that not necessary for an organization to be for equality of the sexes? As Warren Farrell puts it: "There should never have been a women's movement that blamed men for the ills of society. There should not be a men's movement blaming women. There should only be a gender transitional movement that encompasses both genders. Sadly, he says, 30 years of feminism have made the men's movement necessary. "But as soon as things get anywhere near balanced -- if I live that long -- when men start blaming women, I will be on their backs just as hard and as strong as I am now that it's the other way around." (http://www.salon.com...) Feminism is no longer about gender equality because it couldn't be, it's only about women.

  • PRO

    For example, men will get longer prison sentences than...

    Western feminism has failed

    Although there are problems with gender equality with women, the same thing happens with men. For example, men will get longer prison sentences than women for the same crime. [1] Men are also more likely to commit suicide than women. [2] For example, men will get longer prison sentences than women for the same crime. [1] Men are also more likely to commit suicide than women. [2] Feminism is not for men. It is purely for women. As Google defines, feminism is "the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men." One point my opponent makes is the so-called "wage gap." However, that is a myth. The thing that people who make those statistics fail to take into account is how much time each gender normally works, which gender generally puts more time into their career which gender is more likely to put their children over their job, and other things as well. If we include all of these factors, the wage gap disappears. [3] The "first seven weeks" statistic my oponent claims is true cannot be valid because it only makes an estimate based on only the first seven weeks of an entire year. It also only considers what has been reported. Men could have also been killed due to domestic violence, but it hasn't been reported. One should not judge society based on the actions of 13 men. 1: http://papers.ssrn.com... 2: http://en.m.wikipedia.org... 3: http://www.consad.com...

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    My beautiful wife is a ceo, I have numerous female...

    Feminism is and has achieved equality. 3rd wave feminism is oppressive.

    I have been looking over this argument in depth recently/ a long time. I honestly cannot for the life of me understand how there are men and woman out there who still believe in the necessity of Modern Feminism? Actually it is starting to come to my attention that a lot of men and woman are seeing it as a controlling tool and a movement of aggression, lies, misinformation and manipulation. Every time I have heard a feminist argue for feminism I have heard the words male privilege, wage gaps, misogyny (hatred of woman), slut shaming and general dislike against woman. And the only time I have heard these terms is from feminists male or female... but no one else see's it going on.... to which I wonder is the rest of the world blind to what modern feminists see or are modern feminists conspiracy theorists. My beautiful wife is a ceo, I have numerous female friends in elite careers, I am obviously from an established Western civilized world. But here there and every where on the Internet I see these Third wave feminists and I wonder... how? And every time I talk to a feminist I get facts about how woman were treated in the past which makes me feel like I am reading the script to Mad Men.... I never get an actual depiction of it, or a large sample... So please someone tell me, if men were so bad to woman, why would we even pass a bill to allow woman to do what they finally asked to be able to do? Did they ask before and were denied, not to anyones knowledge! Further to that can someone please tell me how in the Western world is feminism still necessary, and why is it not called Egalitarianism - and why are so so many woman these days sick of Feminists? If you don't know your history, and not just you history based on the class you took about social bla bla I am talking actual history, please move on.

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    And just because I can, I'll humour you: Egalitarianism...

    Feminism is not an ideology of equality

    I fail to see the point of providing definitions for terms that are generally clear, because I assume that most people are educated, intelligent human beings who know what words mean. Until they prove me otherwise. You're right. Demanding equality can mean that one party is inferior to another, and the superior wants to be placed in the same category as the inferior. The problem there is that that is not feminism. That's called humanism, or more accurately, egalitarianism, which is generally included in the beliefs of most humanists, like myself. And just because I can, I'll humour you: Egalitarianism 1. belief in the equality of all people, especially in political, social, or economic life [1]. Why don't we stop inventing seperate categories for a universal problem and start addressing the issue as a cohesive unit? Feminism is the idea that we can make both sexes equal by focusing solely on the issues of one of them. And just to rule out a pointless ad hominem attack, I'd say the exact same thing about MRA organizations that claim equality yet proudly call themselves 'mens rights activists'. [1]http://dictionary.reference.com...

  • PRO

    Radical feminism is just because it helps bring down...

    This house believes radical feminism is just

    Radical feminism is just because it helps bring down patriarchy (which is brings about gender in equality)

  • PRO

    My position is that feminism is no longer necessary in...

    Modern Feminism is Not Needed in America

    I wanted to specifically debate Conevy on the topic of feminism. My position is that feminism is no longer necessary in the west. The topics of the debate are the wage gap, equal opportunity against equal outcome, rape culture, and female representation as these are all points that he has argued. Round 1: Acceptance Round 2: Arguments Round 3: Rebuttals Round 4: Response to Rebuttals (No new arguments) Rules: -No Personal Attacks -All Sources Made After Arguments -No Using the Name of the Opponent Definitions: Wage Gap- A difference in pay between men and women which is based on sexism. Rape Culture- A society or environment whose prevailing social attitudes have the effect of normalizing or trivializing sexual assault and abuse. Equal Opportunity- The policy of treating employees and others without discrimination, especially on the basis of their sex, race, or age. Equal Outcome- Circumstances which have the same results without discrimination. Female Representation- The way which females are represented in media.

  • PRO

    Modern feminism is good, it is currently fighting for...

    Modern feminism is beneficial to America, and does not cause harm.

    Modern feminism is good, it is currently fighting for better woman salaries, they only earn around 74 cents on the dollar of a man. Why does the pay gap exist? Women don't negotiate their salaries as well as men. Why is that? Since we percieve women as weak and we discourage them from climbing the corporate ladder etc. We should make women feel as strong as men and empower them. The other day, i asked my female class why she didn't participate in class, and she responded saying "im not that strong of a person like boys." This infuriated me because i know that modern feminism is fighting against this social perception. I support abortion rights for females, they have every right to do what they want and they should continue to be able to do that. i support the fact that modern feminism is fighting against rape. We should educate college students on rape and how to avoid/prevent it. We need to teach dudes that it's totally not okay, and women that you should probably not get super drunk and go to a party where there are drunk men. We need to teach America that it is not okay to percieve women as merely pieces of meat for their pleasure. Many of my male friends believe this and i tell them that they're more then just "@u%%ies" but humans as well. They believe me but still continue to partially objectify them for beings of their own pleasure. When someone doesn't "get the @u%%y" he's seen as inferior. Modern feminism fights against this by ending the objectification of women. Our society sometimes sees women as something that men compete for and that if you can't compete for it, your a loser of some kind since you can't "get the @u$$y." I support the fact that feminism has always fought against domestic violence and has sought to end it. Implementing support centers, care hotlines, and altering our perceptions, feminism has done good and modern feminism seeks to build off and support the previous generations Modern Feminism in effect is trying to stop harm. Harm can be in the form of domestic violence where typically an abusive male may endanger his wife, but also vice versa. Harm can come in the form of social pressures to objectify and use women for objects of gratification. Harm can also come in the form of taking away liberty(abortion). Harm also includes the salary gap that women fail to attain and therefore is unjust.

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  • CON

    The Feminism movement's core is equality, I don't know...

    Feminism is inherently bigoted.

    The Feminism movement's core is equality, I don't know what you believe it is since your argument is vague. Essentially all that's been said is that you believe that they are, "unfairly disliking other people", In this do you mean the opposite gender?

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    You immediately address the fact that you are indeed a...

    Feminism is still necessary today

    I am very sorry about not replying I was not able to get to a computer during the weekend and I should be able to continue with this without any further interruptions. You immediately address the fact that you are indeed a feminist and argue that there a lot of "feminists" that use the term as a weapon against men but that is not what you are supposedly about. However, over the years the term of a feminist has evolved to the point to describe a someone who stands against men and wants more rights than men or, as it as known as to most people, a "feminazi" which leads everyone to believe that this new and evolved form of feminism wants to take the rights of men and eradicate them. This new form actually went to the point to spark the international saying, I am not a feminist because, in which girls and women would speak out against feminism as it had progressed to the point of, as I said, taking the rights of men and eradicating them from all existence.

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    You'll argue otherwise! ... Round 1 = Acceptance only...

    Modern Feminism is utterly useless!

    I'll argue that modern feminism is utterly useless in today's day and age. You'll argue otherwise! Round 1 = Acceptance only Round 2 = Opening arguments/Rebuttals Round 3 = Rebuttals only and closing statements (no new args)

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    I love that example of Henry VIII because it is so...

    American Feminism is Going too Far

    There are actually plenty of males that consider themselvs feminist. Feminism is, by definition, "the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities" [3]. It's not exclusive to women in any way. I believe that everybody should be equal. "Any one of Henry VIII's wives could have stabbed him in his sleep but they didn't. They didn't fight for freedom." I love that example of Henry VIII because it is so completely ignorant of the fact that one cannot simply kill a king. Yes technically his wives could have murdered him in his sleep, but they would have been executed for it. Even if they escaped, where would they go? Everything they ever knew was in that city, and the open road was extremely dangerous for women who traveled alone. Plus even if they made it to another city what would they do? Guards would surely go searching for them. Women have been subjugated and oppressed for millennia. Was it women that banned the education of women? No, of course it wasn't. It wasn't women that chose not give themselves the right to vote. The idea that women put themselves into this position is inane. One should not have to earn equal rights. They should be given to them no matter what. "No company owner is stupid enough to drive away a huge influential force in his business just because she's a woman." I'm not just talking about being fired or not being given an opportunity because somebody is a woman. I'm also referring to sexual harassment. 64% of women scientists claim to have been either sexually harassed or assaulted while in the field [5]. They should have to deal with that, and that is why I love that example of Henry VIII because it is so completely ignorant of the fact that one cannot simply kill a king. Yes technically his wives could have murdered him in his sleep, but they would have been executed for it. Even if they escaped, where would they go? Everything they ever knew was in that city, and the open road was extremely dangerous for women who traveled alone. Plus even if they made it to another city what would they do? Guards would surely go searching for them. Women have been subjugated and oppressed for millennia. Was it women that banned the education of women? No, of course it wasn't. It wasn't women that chose not give themselves the right to vote. The idea that women put themselves into this position is inane. One should not have to earn equal rights. They should be given to them no matter what. "No company owner is stupid enough to drive away a huge influential force in his business just because she's a woman." I'm not just talking about being fired or not being given an opportunity because somebody is a woman. I'm also referring to sexual harassment. 64% of women scientists claim to have been either sexually harassed or assaulted while in the field [5]. They should have to deal with that, and that is why feminism in the US is still necessary. --- If equal pay for equal work is the only legitimate gripe Pro has about American Feminism, then I don't believe that she has met the burden of proof that it has gone "too far". Feminism isn't just about fair pay. It's also about abortion, contraceptive use, ending discrimination in academia, ending sexual harassment and sexual assault. These are all noble causes. [3] http://www.merriam-webster.com... [4] http://www.businessinsider.com... [5] http://www.washingtonpost.com...

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    This is because the statistics you look to use a large...

    is feminism good for the world

    when you say feminism has worked (as in first and second wave) i agree but now we are all equal. Men and women are not payed differently for the same wage. This is because the statistics you look to use a large number of people in "similar" but not equal jobs and find a difference since different jobs pay different amounts of money even in similar fields. Also, there are other reasons women (on average) are payed less like pregnancy, staying with the young child and differences in behavior (like being less likely to ask for a raise.) If there was a giant patriarchy paying women less why would anyone hire men? If companies could get away with a cheeper wage why wouldn't they. Proof of this is the move to work in China because labor is cheap there. 3rd wave feminism has not helped women all over the world if it did it would get rights for women in India and Saudi Arabia not worry about man-spreading and "a pink tax." Less qualified women will get into S.T.E.M. fields more than there more qualified male counterparts because the business wants to even out the gender group in a work place. This is indisputable since there are many statistics that show this and since they do the same for non-white and non-asian people.

  • CON

    When someone claims to be a victim of something, the...

    Modern Feminism is Necessary

    Thanks, Diet. Victim Blaming "I don't know a feminist or even just a woman out there that doesn't agree that women need to minimize risk of sexual assault..." Here's 8,000+ [1] in Toronto alone. What the 'Slut Walk' teaches women is that they should not have to take precautions to avoid harmful situations, and instead rely on all men on Earth collectively deciding to stop doing bad things to women. The feminists who promote the Slut Walk have sort of good intentions, but portray it in a harmful way, and the primary victims of the messages feminists present are other women. It's a nice idea - not living in a world where we have to be careful of other people - but that is far from reality, and if it ever becomes a reality, it won't be any time in the near future. Bad people will always exist. The average time spent in prison for men who commit rape is 65 months, whereas the average time spent in prison for men who commit murder is 71 months [2]. This shows that rape is taken extremely seriously, and results in prison sentences that are on average just 6 months shorter than that when you kill somebody. The feminists that take part in the slut walk seem to think rape is trivialized and not taken seriously. Well, if you spend almost the same amount of time in prison as someone who has ended the life of someone else, which is arguably the worst type of crime, then yes, it's taken very damn seriously. But wait - rapists actually spend more time in prison than people who have committed manslaughter [3]. So they actually spend more time in prison than someone who has killed somebody. To say, after seeing these facts, that rape is not taken seriously, is ridiculous. But back to minimalizing risks of sexual assault. Here is a page that has over 11,000 shares on Facebook, which talks about how dumb it is to take precautions to avoid dangerous situations [4]. This article practically demonizes people who suggest reasonable, logical ways for women to avoid being raped. And keep in mind, it has over 11,000 shares on Facebook, meaning there are 11,000+ people who believe women shouldn't have to take precautions to avoid danger, and instead should shift all the focus on "teaching men not to rape." Here [5] is a feminist/woman telling men not to rape women in 50 different ways. At the beginning of her enlightening post, she says she would send this around as an email, and that safety experts should teach this, instead of teaching women to be safe and take care of themselves. And the replies are all other feminists/women agreeing that this should be passed around as an email. Because we all know simply saying "don't do this" will stop someone from doing it. My point is that taking all responsibility off women, and assuming that simply by "telling men not to rape," we will end rape, is ridiculous, and detrimental to the safety of women. The majority of feminists are on board with this idea. And like I said before, it's not so much the words of the group, but how they present themselves. I believe my point about the length of rape sentences should nullify your point that rape cases aren't taken seriously. The unfortunate part about rape is that it's incredibly hard to prove. And unfortunately again, we can't change the law to be "guilty until proven innocent," as that's just illogical and can/will lead to an incredible amount of innocent people in jail/prison. It is a fact that some people (not just women) will regret sleeping with someone, so they claim they were raped. It's just in human nature to try and avoid making yourself look bad. I'm not saying there are a lot of false rape cases, but it does happen, and to ignore this is ridiculous. And the women actually aren't "demeaned" for their style of clothing if they claim they were raped or sexually assaulted - what really happens is common criminal practice. When someone claims to be a victim of something, the police or people around ask questions to see if it could have been prevented. I was mugged when I was in grade 10, and the very first thing the police asked was "what were you wearing"? Do I claim they are blaming me? Do I say this is misandry? No, I tell them what I was wearing so they can get more information, and so they can give me advice on how to avoid bad situations. Making it a bad thing when women are given ways to avoid dangerous situations is dangerous to women - something feminists want to avoid. Fancy that. Finally, whether or not believing in the wage gap was an "honest mistake," it is still untrue, and it still spread like wildfire in the feminist community. I'm still told a reason feminism is needed is because men are paid 23 cents more than women for the same job. If it isn't a lie, it's wrong, and spreading incorrect ideas is obviously detrimental. Feminists still cling to the idea that the wage gap is true. It's good that you believe it's false, but a lot of feminists believe it's true, and go out of their way (equal pay day) to fight for equal pay, even though they already have it. Men I'm starting to think you aren't reading what I'm saying. I already addressed this point, and you already said it. So refer to my "masculinity" paragraph in the previous round. However I see you brought up a new point. "...Young boys ... Don't have such pressure on them to play sports and be athletic." So you honestly think not trying to keep (people in general) athletic and fit is a good thing? You, a feminist, are claiming that it's good that boys aren't pressured to stay athletic. This is another reason feminism is detrimental. It's too focused on "absolute equality and treatment" to care for the health and well-being of the very people it is trying to help. Being athletic isn't a "gender role," it's common sense and good for your health. If feminists were so concerned about men's "depression, drug or alcohol abuse, extreme anger, and PTSD," they would be finding ways to combat this. It is now acceptable for men to show their emotions, and I honestly can't remember a time in my life where someone made fun of me for crying or being upset about something. So even if feminism helped at a time with this, much like women's right to vote, work, etc. feminism is no longer necessary to help with this "problem." And if it was, the feminists saying "I bathe in male tears" sure as hell doesn't help. The picture to the right received 650+ likes, and 160+ retweets [6]. So there are hundreds of women that enjoy another woman who wears a shirt basically making fun of men who cry. And if you've been around the internet at all, you'd see there are also mugs that have this saying that self-proclaimed feminists drink out of. Oh, and here's another example of the incredible double-standard that feminists have. Feminists claim not to judge someone by how they dress. Yet they went absolute apesh*t on this guy for how he dressed [7]. This guy landed a friggin satellite on an asteroid, and feminists/women are too concerned about his shirt to care that he's made a major leap in the scientific industry. And you still think feminism is beneficial? It's literally halting scientific exploration because they're judging the way someone is dressed... something they claim to be against. Anyway, good point about the kid not growing up gay, I didn't mean he would just "turn gay," I meant he would be confused, as most boys don't play with dolls etc. But that's fair. However, he will still be picked on because he is playing with "girly" toys, and dressing "girly." What's more important, political correctness, or the well-being of your son? My four year old (assuming I had one) wouldn't care if he couldn't play with dolls or not, but what he would care about is being picked on and bullied for playing with something I'm inviting him to play with. I'd rather my son is happy and does the same thing as other boys, than unhappy. I also see you didn't argue against the "1 in 3" thing I brought up. Etc. Ignoring the "combating gender roles" thing, what exactly has feminism done to help men's rape and sexual assault? Can you provide a link to a feminist page or a page showing what feminism has actually done to help male victims of rape, or to stop rape against men? "Attitudes shifting" and actual precautions or measures being put on place to stop these things from happening or helping victims are completely different things. It's great that good men and women now view rape seriously. But there's still an issue with the bad men and women. How exactly is feminism going to stop people from being bad? Like I said before (and if I haven't, I'll say it now), feminism has done a lot of good in the past. My point is that feminism is no longer needed. Bad stuff happening can be combated by the law and good, decent people, not by a group of women bleeding all over themselves [8]. But all joking aside, feminists are fighting for women's rights, not for men to be safer on the streets and prisons and wherever else. Like I asked before, if you could provide something that shows feminism is currently (or is needed in order to) helping men (in more ways than making it normal for boys to play with dolls), I'll happily argue against those. Most people understand feminism has a negative connotation, so why not go the route of egalitarianism? This site doesn't recognize "misandry" to be a word. This is sexism against men. Sources [1] https://twitter.com... [2] http://www.bjs.gov... [3] http://www.theguardian.com... [4] http://thinkprogress.org... [5] http://www.girl-mom.com... [6] https://twitter.com... [7] http://www.cnn.com... [8] http://modernwomandigest.com...

  • CON

    First of all, please dont join this debate if you have...

    Third Wave Feminism

    First of all, please dont join this debate if you have any type of bias or get easily offended, this is supposed to be a respectful debate: I dont think that third wave feminism is actually a movement pro-equal rights, and I'm gladly willing to debate it

  • CON

    First and second wave feminism were legitimate movements....

    feminism is not correlated to gender equality.

    First and second wave feminism were legitimate movements. Women deserve dignity and political equality. Third wave feminists want freedom without responsibility. They want preferential treatment for women while recasting female responsibility as systemic oppression. They want women to be dependent"not on men, but on the State. Of course, this is an outrageously misogynistic worldview. Despite literally millions of examples to the contrary, feminists simply presume that women can"t fend for themselves in a free society. Their agenda looks something like this: Free birth control Free abortions Maternity leave with raises and promotions (men can"t be permitted to earn more) The right to consider men guilty until proven innocent (abolition of due process) Bans on anti-feminist speech (and jail time for offenders like Milo Yiannopoulos) Do these sound like valid rights or nanny state privileges for presumed weaklings? Feminism is a misnomer. The movement has been infected with social justice disorder. If you doubt this, skim through a few feminist blogs. You"ll notice that before making an argument, the authors apologize for being straight, white, able-bodied, etc. Feeling shame for one"s existence or biological makeup isn"t natural; it"s a symptom of mental illness.

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    Firstly we need a clarification on if radical Feminism...

    Do We Need Feminism? YES We Do

    Firstly we need a clarification on if radical Feminism comes under your term of Feminism, as you have proposed a contradiction to yourself, as you claim to believe for this debate feminism is believing in gender equality yet you ask if it is "Men-hating". This would be impossible to have a con for due to the contradiction, as you require me to argue the term "Feminist" under your definition. Next clarification is I need to know your main points for the feminist movement, such as " Gender pay gap" or there being a "rape culture" within the school environment, clarify these points please to create a case to argue against and I shall debate.