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  • PRO

    They consist now of the whole people, except a few public...

    Founding Fathers saw a universal right to militia and arms

    George Mason, the father of the Bill Rights, considered the militia to consist of all of the people, expressing this in Virginia's U.S. Constitution ratification convention on June 16, 1788[4] - "I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor..." This expression clearly denotes the militia as something that should not be altered into an exclusive form. In other words, it must be representative of the whole people and preserved as a universal right.

    • http://www.debatepedia.org/en/index.php/Debate:_Right_to_bear_arms_in_the_US
  • PRO

    It is a myth that universal health care could somehow be...

    Universal health care is not free; people pay with their taxes.

    It is a myth that universal health care could somehow be free or lower the costs to the patient. People pay through their taxes instead of in direct payments to their health insurance providers.

  • PRO

    A strange request from a person who did not take the time...

    Universal Health care

    I thank my opponent for offering this debate and since he is new to the site, I will avoid semantics concerning the resolution. Con asks too many questions to be addressed so I cannot hit them all. For starters, I don't like copy and paste arguments. Con sent a message and told me to "make it good" in reference to my position. A strange request from a person who did not take the time to write the material he presented. Con should present his own arguments in the future or at least source them: http://www.newpatriotjournal.com... (paragraph starting with "There isn't a single government agency…") Con's whole RD 1 is a copy and paste, without a source; this is plagiarism. I ask for a conduct point from the start. I spent considerable time sourcing this pundit piece as no citations were offered. After addressing Con's points, I will be presenting the Pro position on universal healthcare reform in the United States presented by the recently passed bill in the US Congress and signed into law by President Obama. H.R. 3590 http://thomas.loc.gov...:: Con asks, "A strange request from a person who did not take the time to write the material he presented. Con should present his own arguments in the future or at least source them: http://www.newpatriotjournal.com... (paragraph starting with "There isn't a single government agency…") Con's whole RD 1 is a copy and paste, without a source; this is plagiarism. I ask for a conduct point from the start. I spent considerable time sourcing this pundit piece as no citations were offered. After addressing Con's points, I will be presenting the Pro position on universal healthcare reform in the United States presented by the recently passed bill in the US Congress and signed into law by President Obama. H.R. 3590 http://thomas.loc.gov...:: Con asks, "Should the Government Provide Free Universal Health Care for All Americans?" The answer is simply that the government is not proposing free health care for anyone. As Con accurately copied later in his argument, nothing from the government is free, we pay for it. In addition, the government will not be the health care providers, individual companies, under new regulations, will be the providers. The public option did not make it. http://www.politifact.com... Con plagiarizes: "There isn't a single government agency or division that runs efficiently" I disagree, the US military runs quite well. We have an effective blue water Navy, one of the best Air Forces in the world, and the Army and Marine Corps have shown time after time that they are formidable fighting forces. In addition, the healthcare plan is very nice for US military members, and the government runs the entire show. I have no need to address the other agencies listed, as I need only offer this one per Con's stipulations. Government Waste: Yes, any bureaucracy entails waste, I agree, but we need to examine Con's specific claims: 1.Tooting Cows: Anytime I can talk about farts in a debate is a good time (I can't stop giggling). As much fun as cow farting is to me, the issue has "exploded" worldwide. Agriculture is a big business in the US and the USDA conducted studies to deal with the large amount of methane, and other problems, "emitted" by livestock. In addition, animal waste is a huge concern considering the amount of livestock present in the US. Here are the studies: http://www.ars.usda.gov... this issue may seem trivial at first glance, but changing the feed and other conditions can help lower err…emissions. How is this a bad thing? The studies were covering an important issue considering the amount of livestock in the US. 2.In reference to the M2 Bradley, I am familiar with the book, "The Pentagon Wars" concerning this issue, but I fail to see the analogy between heath care reform and defense procurement problems from the cold war era. I ask that Con clarify. Con copied, "What good would it do to wipe out a few hundred dollars of monthly health insurance premiums if our taxes go up by that much or more?" The problem is that many would not mind paying out a few hundred dollars a month for health care; the issue is they can't get it. One of the major functions of this reform is the elimination of the preexisting conditions criteria within the private health care industry. This reform bill will not be the first piece of legislation dealing with preexisting conditions as many states have a high risk fund. http://www.naschip.org... and the states allocate money to these programs. If you live in one of these states, you have been paying taxes for these programs already. You live in Texas so you have been paying for a while now. http://www.txhealthpool.org... Con copied, "Profit motives, competition, and individual ingenuity have always led to greater cost control and effectiveness." Always? Remember your statement about the M2 Bradley? The contractor (BAE), a private, profit motivated, competitive company produced the machine, not the US government. I need only one instance to make this statement false as it is absolute, and you provided it for me, thank you. http://www.baesystems.com... The bottom line on the healthcare reform bill is that the US Government is not making the healthcare industry a government agency. The industry is now regulated better and Americans are required to purchase insurance or must pay to not have it. State governments have been doing this for years with vehicle insurance. In emergency situations, all patients are taken. One is not pulled from a car wreck AFTER checking for insurance. A patient about to give birth is not turned away at the door. We pay for these procedures now in the form of increased medical costs. http://www.washingtonpost.com... http://www.acponline.org... http://www.kff.org... We are already paying for medical care for the uninsured and have been for quite some time. Now we can get some better regulations to deal with the matter. So much of the healthcare debate dealt with pundits screaming, "Socialism and death panels", but the government has been involved for quite some time. We finally got a President and Congress able to overcome the vast ignorance associated with this issue and able to implement solid reform. The reform bill is not a government takeover or socialism. The bill is a badly needed reform package that addresses many concerns individual states have attempted to address already.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Universal-Health-care/13/
  • PRO

    Universal health care is not a one-size-fits-all concept...

    My 101st Debate: Universal Health Care

    Preface This is my 101st debate. Uchiha has been eager to get this debate done, and I look forward to taking it up with him. Hopefully I can have more luck defending UHC this time than previously. Uchiha may not accept this debate before 1:00am, DDO time, on Nov. 8th, or he auto-loses the debate. I thank him in advance for accepting, and look forward to an interesting discourse. Full Topic A just society ought to provide universal healthcare for its citizens. Terms Ought - moral desirability Universal Healthcare (UHC) - "refers to a health care system which provides health care and financial protection to all its citizens. It is organized around providing a specified package of benefits to all members of a society with the end goal of providing financial risk protection, improved access to health services, and improved health outcomes. Universal health care is not a one-size-fits-all concept and does not imply coverage for all people for everything." [http://en.wikipedia.org...] Universal healthcare benefits need only be extended to those without insurance, and need not necessarily be extended to those who have or opt for private schemes. Rules 1. No forfeits 2. Any citations or foot/endnotes must be provided in the text of the debate 3. No new arguments in the final round 4. Maintain a civil and decorous atmosphere 5. No "kritiks" of the topic (e.g. challenging a core assumption of the resolution, arguing outside of the grounds provided by the topic, etc.) 6. No trolling 7. Violation of any of these rules or of any of the R1 set-up merits a loss Structure R1. Acceptance R2. Constructive Cases are Presented R3. Pro rebuts Con's Case, Con rebuts Pro's Case R4. Pro defends Pro's Case, Con defends Con's Case R5. Pro rebuts Con's Case, Con rebuts Pro's Case, both Crystallize Thanks... ...to Uchiha for this debate! I am sure it will be a fun and memorable discussion.

  • PRO

    This indicates that our efforts either: A. ... Thanks for...

    The United States should design a universal health care system.

    Thanks for the debate, and good luck. Note: I'm a bit pressed for time, but this is the only chance I'll get for awhile. My arguments may seem a bit rushed, and I apologize if I am unclear. Your Points: 1. Number of people without Health Care is overstated 2. Destroys Privacy 3. Make everyone's problems our own 4. Doctor's have no incentive to provide adequate care 5. Companies cut down research on drugs 6. Examples: - Uncle - Canada - Britain My Responses: 1. I'm going to disregard this claim. I'm sure it is correct, and my argument lies more in the generalized amount of people, not the specific amount. First off, the number of uninsured Americans is worse then it has ever been before (http://www.cbpp.org...) and is growing worse. This indicates that our efforts either: A. Aren't working OR B. Never did. Either one isn't too good. 2. There was no reasoning behind this point. A simple claim means nothing unless you back it up. Please clarify how this happens. 3. If you mean that the tax payers would have to pay for this, well then that's true. However, studies show that, overall, This indicates that our efforts either: A. Aren't working OR B. Never did. Either one isn't too good. 2. There was no reasoning behind this point. A simple claim means nothing unless you back it up. Please clarify how this happens. 3. If you mean that the tax payers would have to pay for this, well then that's true. However, studies show that, overall, universal health care could actually be beneficial in terms of the amount of money spent on it. http://www.citizen.org... 4. Well, assuming all doctor's are profit driven and have no qualms over effectually killing innocents by not providing care, then yes... you're right. However, most doctor's get into the practice because they want to help people, not because they want money. You gave an example that the doctors need money to pay off loans, but can you give one example of a practicing doctor that isn't well off? The fact is, doctor's will always be relatively wealthy, even with pay-cuts. 5. I fail to see the logic behind this. Please clarify. However, just assuming that there is logic behind it, here is a link that responds: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com... To sum it up: It argues that a universal system would give incentives for investment in health-care (i.e. drugs). 6. Uncle: Personal cites really aren't too useful in this debate. I'm not saying you're lieing, but there really isn't a way to tell if you actually have such an uncle. I could just as easily have an uncle in England whose live was saved by universal health care. Canada and England: First, let me point out that these are individual examples. If these were widely reciprocated, then that would be great (actually, it'd be bad, but whatever), but fortunately, they aren't. Additionally, each of these countries has a better health care system then ours: http://www.photius.com... My Points: 1. Democracy In a democracy, people choose. America is a democracy. America wants universal health care: http://www.motherjones.com... http://www.cbsnews.com... http://thehill.com... Thanks for your time, have fun.

  • PRO

    Whether universal health care is analogous or a...

    Whether universal health care is analogous to other services is inconsequential.

    Whether universal health care is analogous or a legitimate burden on tax payers does not answer whether a universal system provides the results proponents argue.

  • PRO

    In general, the ability to afford something does not play...

    Universal health care is a social good, not merely an economic good

    Universal health care generally decreases human misery and increases human welfare. It is, therefore, a social good, not merely an economic good. In general, the ability to afford something does not play a role in whether it is just or not. If there is a conflict between life and money life should prevail because it is a right while money is a want not a need.

  • PRO

    Most doctor's offices maintain a separate record-keeping...

    Universal health care makes a centralized national database possible

    "Should the Government Provide Free Universal Health Care for All Americans?". Balanced Politics.org - "We can develop a centralized national database which makes diagnosis and treatment easier for doctors. Most doctor's offices maintain a separate record-keeping system. This is why you always have to fill out a lengthy health history whenever you go to a new physician."

  • PRO

    It is important that individuals be treated as free moral...

    Universal health care violates individual freedom and responsibility

    It is important that individuals be treated as free moral agents, accountable to their own actions, and not held accountable to the actions of others. Universal health care holds some individuals accountable for the actions of others.

  • PRO

    Doctors are currently businessmen that sell health...

    Universal health care grounds doctors in professionalism, not commercialism.

    Doctors are currently businessmen that sell health services. But, realizing that this is not a good model for dealing people's lives and health, many doctors see universal health care as a way to better root their profession in professionalism instead of this commercialism.

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  • CON

    Ill get to most this arguement about comparing countries...

    We need a universal health care system. Here's one idea.

    O.k I concede i accidentally screwed up the names but my points still stand that there isn't an agency that could do a universal health program. Its really regardless. 1. All my opponent has done is say that as of now there are people without coverage and even Medicare and Medicaid cant solve it all. For this point to really have merit please try and present a organization that is up to the task. And as to what you were saying about the secretaries. All they are is advisor's and the president doesn't completely run the country thats why it is so great. There are three main branches and each branch is split up into smaller sections. But still no organization that could run the program offered by my opponent. 2. So on this part of the flow my opponent says when charges go up we take it from programs, when it goes up again we tax the affluent, when it goes up again...... It might seem to be a long run or short term fix but it isn't at all. There still isn't an answer id like to point out to my answer about the recession and how the transition would impact it. Oh and if you haven't been watching the news rates have been severely dropping and its up to the employer most the time as to which insurance you can get so rarely do people end up with a terrible one once employed. 3. Thats what im saying im saying you cant have private practices and a universal health system together it completely contradicts each other because if its universal it cant be private. While you say that inflation wont happen in the new system you give no reasons why, it still will because due to the loss the hospitals lose they will overcharge to compensate. 4. Again look to above sorry for mixing them up but it wont lower taxes it will raise those looking to some of my original arguments. And if the hospitals got less money they would be as poor as other countries. As Ill get to a bit lower. 5. Ill get to most this arguement about comparing countries a little later but it cant be too enlighting but if you want to compare sources http://www.news.harvard.edu... 6. Well for one the affluent in the country eventually trickling down to the middle class like I pointed out above. Also you think 25% is out of control once the universal health care program is implemented it will spiral out even more only now you cant do anything about it. Keeping the status quo is still the best system to keep. I'm sorry for your girlfriend i am, but if we were under your program any extra costs above the single pay would cost me or the government a lot of excess money for something not involving me in any way. 7. So Doctors would enjoy having worse condition and lower wages. Using some of my arguments from above. Why would a nurse use that much of her wage on such a trivial matter. That is a useless waste of money and Im sure there is alternative reasoning behind her problem. 8. I can concede that yes thats a small role in why people become doctors but people do become doctors for other factors like the fame and money, there would be a decrease in doctors no where near an increase. 9. I did mis read this a bit but in all it isn't a "right", it is something that you work for and pay for its not something to be handed to you. Hell i could consider welfare a right even though i don't need it. But id take it any way because its my "right" 10. Before you consider this argument you put up look at the actual source link on that page and read it all. It ranks the US in the issues that matter, timing of service and quality of service. The rankings were placed as they were based on how cheap each operation is. If you did go to a place like Canada the wait for an operation takes months if not years to actually get to the top of the list. This is because of how poor the actual system is and once they are in it it's impossible to change back. Thats why we must keep up the working program we have now.

  • CON

    But on top of that your stats are flawed because no where...

    We need a universal health care system. Here's one idea.

    Thank you all who are voting and actually have read this far, almost there 1. As I pointed out above, while yes those programs can solve for a small portion of the health problems but they cant complete it even with more funding. Its just not possible, its too large of a spectrum. And the problem with a system directly run by a cabinet member is the same reasons I listed above with the size of the issue. 2. You can say you have the figures down pat but the problem is your system is flawed. Things always cost more than people expect its the problem with inflation. The part you are missing in my arguments is the fact that in 10 years we wont have an affordable system because prices will rise from the reasons listed above. 3. The reason why I say we cant have private practices with the universal system is because there is no competition or reason to choose one over the other which will destroy the health care system. 4. This ties in to the above argument, and to add on because peoples will choose one place over the other because there is no differences in service. That would cause the overpopulation in one area to buy more and this would cause the inflation. 5. http://www.huppi.com... Check out this site then for comparative stats. But on top of that your stats are flawed because no where does it say what they are comparing unless you click the links in which case they tell you what they voted on, but the US has the best in several categories. And to your source, yeah i couldn't pull it up on my computer..sorry. 6. Yes but the reasons stated in my first few arguments and even this one that still go ignored is the rates you impose will rise. And eventually will overwhelm the 25 percent now. That is the inevitable part to the all. 7. All you keep saying is that under my plan...under my plan that.... this wouldn't last, this is the argument ive been trying to get across. It may be a quick fix plan but the problems i keep talking about arise. Places like India and Canada do have universal health care and the problem is it is not efficient, if you need surgery it will take forever to happen. 8. Yeah i didn't concede anything i just tied it into the argument above, just one of the side effects. 9. Thats a growing problem in this world it isnt a right, calling everything a right is collapsing our economy. Considering unions a right even to having a tv a right is absurd. Free health care is not a right, the right to life is they are not the same thing. 10. Yeah I already mentioned this but at face value its basically worthless, but click the links and it actually goes in my favor. Vote Negative for the reasons above and if you actually read through these flows you should vote for the negative impacts i kept bringing up throughout the round and pretty much were never answered Thank you for the round Mindjob

  • CON

    There isn't a single government department that squeezes...

    Universal Healthcare be provided to all American citizens

    Quick, try to think of one government office that runs efficiently. The Department of Transportation? Social Security Administration? Department of Education? There isn't a single government department that squeezes efficiency out of every dollar the way a private sector can. We've all heard stories of the government's waste of millions of dollars on frivilous concerns such as the million dollar cow flatulence study or the Pentagon's 14 billion dollar Bradley design project that resulted in a vehicle which when hit by a mortar produced a gas that killed every man inside. Think about the Department of Motor Vehicles. This isn't rocket science-- they have to keep track of licenses and basic database information for residents. However, the costs that support the department are enormous, and when was the last time you went to the DMV and didn't have to stand in a long line only to find out that ur problem couldn't be solved? If the government can't efficiently run a service this simple, how is it going to efficiently provide healthcare for all US citizens? (information taken from balancedpolitics.com)

  • CON

    Eventually society sees them as irreversible facts of...

    Universal healthcare

    Well done. You illuminated many aspects of the problem we face. The problem with liberal policies is that they create injustices that can only be redressed with more liberal policies. Unfortunately affordable healthcare went out the window when our government decided that its citizens were entitled only to the highest standard of healthcare. Therein lies the problem. Healthcare has been put on a pedestal in this country. Even though a majority of medical services could be adequately provided by facilities and individuals who have far less invested than say doctors and hospitals, our government has told us that we are not free to seek such services. Licensing, medical degrees, board certifications, malpractice insurance, and various other requirements have made it so only the best (and most expensive) medical services are available to the consumer. Many would consider it absurd if the government required that all citizens drive only expensive German imports, even if for our own protection. Luckily we maintain the right to purchase lower quality vehicles we deem less safe but more affordable. And even if we did opt for the more expensive German import, there's nothing stopping us from having it serviced by a common mechanic rather than by a more expensive certified dealer technician. The healthcare industry is yet another example of a well-meaning government stepping in to take power away from the individual for his own protection. The result is almost always counter-intuitive. The solution lies in reversing the liberal big-government policies that got us into this mess in the first place. To do this we need less government involvement in the healthcare system, and we need to allow for low-cost medical care to compete with high-cost medical care. Much of the overhead involved in providing healthcare makes affordability simply impossible. I submit that most of the overhead required to do business in the healthcare industry is cause by government regulation, malpractice insurance and licensing requirements. I attribute sky-high malpractice insurance costs to government as well, because is has not pursued effective tort reform and continues to provide a lawsuit-friendly civil justice system-- again in the interest of "protecting" its citizens. Finally, we require healthcare facilities to provide services for all who seek them, whether they are able to pay or not. This is another liberal idea that can be sustained only by enacting more liberal ideas. I could see if free services were limited to life-and-death situations. But even this idea, despite its acceptance, forces otherwise free individuals to give their time, money and resources to strangers who offer no means of repayment. Upon minor examination this seemingly harmless concept sounds a bit ludicrous. Unfortunately, as liberalism spreads, ludicrous ideas become common place. Eventually society sees them as irreversible facts of life. Because of this effect, the variety of perceived solutions becomes severely limited. I sense this desperate frustration in your 2nd round argument. In your eyes liberalism is the only answer, and the sooner we get to it the better. Your mindset demonstrates that you have accepted the current situation as hopeless and irreversable. But if you are able to identify the major cause of the problem(government policies that have insulated the healthcare industry from the free market), you will find there is an alternative solution you have not considered. It involves freeing the healthcare industry from the big-government regulations that bind it. It is the job of capitalism to uncover the needs of citizens and find affordable and profitable ways to meet them. Complete government control is no way to combat problems cause by excessive government control.

  • CON

    The uninsurance problem should be solved by less, not...

    Single-payer universal health care

    The uninsurance problem should be solved by less, not more government

  • CON

    That is making the is-ought fallacy;...

    The United States Government ought to provide Universal Healthcare for its Citizens

    My opponent has utterly ignored her burden of proof which has been laid out to her time and time again. However, I am a merciful God and will let her make a new argument in the final round. Not only this, but I will play her game (despite her arguments having no bearing on the resolution until she has demonstrated why anyone "ought" to do anything) Before I get into the meat of the arguments there are a few things that need to be made clear; When one challenges someone to a debate, if they want specific rules (such as using their own definitions or making it LD debate) they must be stated in the first round. If one doesn't, then they can't in later rounds declare certain rules and criteria and expect their opponents to co-operate fully is ridiculous. If I were to claim that every round should have some level of DDO meta-humour and declare my opponent the loser by default because she has not included a reference to Royal PMS-ing or DK secretly being in love with me (he is by the way - seriously the PMs he sends me are crimes to good taste) at this point, it would be utterly unfair and foolish to expect the voters to respect that. Similarly, in no place in the first round did you state you definitions, your desired framework aside from round structure or other matters so to declare them now and expect me to say, "yeah, OK" is crazy and abusive. Now to the matters of the debate. I shall first counter my opponents last round. I remind my readers and my opponent that for her to fulfil her burden of proof she must not only demonstrate that "The United States Government ought to provide Universal Healthcare for its Citizens", but also that any entity "ought" to do anything. That is to say; that an objective moral standard exists by which we can judge an entity having a moral obligation to do anything. Bearing this in mind, I am completely correct to concede that the value by which we must judge this debate is morality, but that is nowhere near conceding it exists, which my opponent erroneously believes. In fact it is solely a recognition of what my opponent must demonstrate before her case can even be considered. Her argument makes no case for morality existing, hence I have nothing to refute other than state that there is no evidence for an objective moral standard which means any entity ought to do something. In the absence of such an argument my opponent has failed to meet her burden of proof. She also makes the claim that I did not read her case. Now unless I'm blind and there are several paragraphs philosophically or otherwise demonstrating that an objective moral standard exists and "should" be observed that claim is seems obviously false. "I am saying that the United States Government ought to provide Universal Health Care for its Citizens because of all the reasons stated in my case in R2." That is making the is-ought fallacy; http://en.wikipedia.org.... Those reasons presented in R2 do not suggest that the US government ought to do anything, unless morality is proven. Onto the questions; "Do you think it is Moral for many millions of Americans to die simply because they have genetic and untreatable diseases and are too ill to work and make money?" It is neither moral nor immoral. "Would you rather have more or less doctors readily available to treat patients?" I don't really care. On a matter of personal preference, as long as there are doctors to treat me when I am sick, I'd be happy, but I am more than willing to pay for that myself. Thus, my opponent has yet again utterly failed to meet her BoP. It is getting tiring now. To make it totally clear so that she understands: in order for your arguments to have merit you must demonstrate that morality exists, otherwise we default to moral nihilism - the result of which is that no-one has any moral obligation to do anything, thus disproving the resolution. I will now briefly counter the arguments presented in R2 as a matter of completeness, however, I would warn my opponent to not respond to this unless she first has provided a case for the existence of morality. Otherwise she is just wasting her own time. Contention 1: Why should anyone get anything at someone else's expense? We could improve welfare of many citizens by buying them all cars, but that doesn't mean we should do it. Universal healthcare is not free. It costs others. Would you want to be forced to buy another's car? The answer is likely no. Why do you make a distinction for other goods. As to part b), not only this a ridiculously naive approach to economics, in countries with UHC, such as my own, the UK, costs have gone up, not down. In layman's terms debt will only increase if you buy more. Health-care is not a good investment for boosting aggregate demand as the costs primarily get sunk into the old, who will never be able to contribute again. Furthermore, it is entirely arguable that the free market can provide a superior service, which is cheaper; http://www.cato.org... (quite a sizeable document so I'd recomend only reading the summary) Contention 2 Here you contradict yourself; you advocate capitalism and yet suggest that the opposite (socialised healthcare) should be implemented. Furthermore you make completely unsupported claims that the government is required to encourage growth. This is not only a bare assertion but highly contentious. There is a great deal of literature to suggest the exact opposite (http://mises.org...) Your final sentence about buses is a bare assertion too. Why can't the free market provide those as well? Contention 3 "It isn"t moral for someone to not get health insurance just because they can"t afford it" It isn"t moral for someone to not get a car just because they can"t afford it It isn"t moral for someone to not get a PS3 just because they can"t afford it It isn"t moral for someone to not get prostitutes just because they can"t afford it What do all these sentences have in common? They are all equally supported by arguments presented by Pro, which is to say, not at all. The rest of this argument is just a sob-story with no bearing on the debate. All secondary arguments are refuted. The resolution is negated. Cheers ladies and gents.

  • CON

    2] This clause is not a grant of power to congress " it...

    DDO Tier Tournament: The United States ought to guarantee universal health care for its citizens.

    Argument 1: Economic My opponent"s argument here is that the life expectancy and infant mortality rates are high in the U.S., despite the fact that the U.S. spends more money. Rebuttal: The problem here is that my opponent is automatically assuming that low life expectancy and high mortality rates equate to having a bad health care system. While a good health care system may, by intervention, extend the life of a small percentage of a population, it has very little to do with the average life spans of the whole population. The number of years a person will live is primarily a result of genetic and social factors, including lifestyle, environment and education. [1] Argument 2: A Viable Alternative In this argument, my opponent states that Universal Healthcare is a viable alternative because by charging less money, the people will have more money, and the U.S. Economy would grow Rebuttal: the problem with universal health care is that it does not guarantee equal quality and treatment. [refer back to my 3rd contention sub-point A]. This causes more patients to get severely sick or die while just waiting to receive their medical treatment. Rebuttal 2: Raising other tax increases to fund reform could place a drag on GDP.[6] If that happens, that will make it far more difficult to escape the debt trap Rebuttl 3: Furthermore, universal Health Care will lead to a moral hazard. The idea of a moral hazard is explained by Mr.Hoffman, who works for the Indiana law journal: "The term "moral hazard" refers to the concern that the acquisition of insurance itself leads to a change in individuals' behavior. Those who have health insurance are more likely to use medical facilities than those who are uninsured, because their use of medical services is subsidized. Thus, health insurance can increase the cost of health care through unnecessary doctor visits." [7] So as we can see, this will only hurt the economy further. Argument 3: Health Care is a right Here, my opponent tries to state that health care is a right Rebuttal 1: My opponent uses the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights, to state that Healthcare is a right. However, since the resolution states "The United States", this means that we must look at only United States rights. Rebuttal 2: My opponent also states that the constitution states the clause, "promote general welfare". This clause, nor any other clause in the constitution gives congress the power to create a Universal Healthcare System. The "General Welfare" clause gives Congress the power "To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States." [2] This clause is not a grant of power to congress " it is a limit to a power given to Congress, limiting the purpose for which Congress can lay and collect taxes. [3] If the "General Welfare" clause gives Congress the power to promote the general welfare, then why specifically list the other powers in Article I, such as the power to establish post offices and post roads, or to coin money? Wouldn't it be redundant to list them? James Madison, the "Father of The Constitution", argued that Congress derives no power from the general welfare clause, which merely serves to limit Congress"s power to lay andcollect taxes.[4] If the "General Welfare" clause doesn"t give congress any power, we can conclude that it doesn"t give congress the power to create a Universal Health Care System. Rebuttal 3: In order for something to be a right in the U.S., it must be in the constitution. The constitution has had changes over the course of time [these changes are known as amendments], and any rights that are guaranteed under these amendments are also rights under the constitution. If we take in everything I have stated here into consideration, my opponent"s argument that the Health Care is a right fails because: Universal Health Care is not a constitutional guarantee, because Congress has tried to pass Universal Health Care as an amendment before, and FAILED. [5] I have a key question for my opponent: If congress has tried to pass an amendment about Universal Health Care, and it failed to pass, then how is it a right? Argument 4: Benefits to society Rebuttal 1: First my opponent states, "Having greater access to cheap health care." As I have already stated before " Universal Health Care doesn"t guarantee access to health care. [Read: contention 3 sub"point A, of my original case] Rebuttal 2: My opponent states that Universal Health Care will decrease medical expenses. There are some major problems with this argument: 1. As the perceived price decreases, demand will increase. In other words, when people believe that they won"t have to pay for their healthcare, they will use more health services. Allow me to explain this more clearly: As demand increases to exceed the available supply of health services, the government will have to take action. The government will have to limit the amount of services to keep the cost of the healthcare system from exploding. There are several ways to do this. First, they might impose rationing and limit the availability of services, which would completely undermine the purpose of Universal Health Care in the first place. A second option would be increase the amount that patients pay for their health care. This could be similar to the health insurance premiums and co"payments that many health insurance policies contain now. 2. Government Health Care will likely create a shortage of healthcare professionals. The government will undoubtedly attempt to rein in costs by imposing price controls. It has already followed this strategy in government healthcare programs that have already been enacted such as Medicare. Medical training, especially for doctors, is a long and expensive process. The motivating factor for many doctors is the financial reward at the end of the process. When the government removes the financial incentive for becoming a doctor, fewer people will choose to become doctors and shortages will result. If there is low supply and high demand, prices must go up. 3. The money used to pay health professionals, medicines and facilities has to come from somewhere. If consumers don"t pay for these services directly, then they will pay for it indirectly with high taxes. Rebuttal 3: my opponent tries to state that there will be an increase in jobs. As I stated before, doctors and many people in the medical industry won't have an incentive to work anymore. Sources: Sources: [1] John C. Goodman, et al., President National Center for Policy Analysis, 2004, Lives at Risk: Single Payer National Health Insurance Around the World, p. 51 [2] and [4] http://dailysignal.com... [3] http://www.heritage.org... "it"possible"to"restore"constitutionalism [5] Lunder, Erika K. et al. "NFIB v. Sebelius: Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate" CRS. September 3, 2012. 2. [6] http://money.cnn.com..., S. "Unmanaged Care Towards Moral Fairness in Health Care Coverage"Indiana Law Journal. 2003. Pg 670

  • CON

    They do not deserve to be protected by the laws of war...

    There is a moral duty to respect a basic level of humanity.

    Terrorists themselves do not respect human rights. They attack civilians and rarely comply with the Geneva Conventions or international human rights law. They do not deserve to be protected by the laws of war because they do not behave like a military organisation. If they do not comply with the laws of war there is no reason why they should enjoy the benefits of the Geneva Conventions when they are detained.

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