PRO

  • PRO

    I do not see any coalition between Universal Brotherhood...

    Universal Brotherhood Is More Important Than Patriotism

    I will be arguing Pro for Universal Brotherhood. Yet, I don't believe World Peace is possible, I still wish it was and think it is important. Argument: Patriotism CAN lead to thinking one's country is supreme which leads to conflict. One could argue that Hitler and the Nazi party were just very patriotic and a little insane. I do include that patriotism for the world as a whole would be a good thing. Yet, the only way one can have world patriotism is if the whole world was working together- Universal Brotherhood. I do not see any coalition between Universal Brotherhood and Patriotism unless you want one country to take over the whole world. It is more likely we will be forced to ban together for some apocalyptic reason. We must love each other and care for everyone before we can have Universal Brotherhood and History has proved Patriotism leads to the opposite.

  • PRO

    The Globalization of Justice" - "Universal jurisdiction...

    ICC advances principal universal jurisdiction on war crimes

    Amnesty International. "The Globalization of Justice" - "Universal jurisdiction is the principle that every country has an interest in bringing to justice the perpetrators of the most grave crimes, no matter where the crime was committed, and regardless of the nationality of the perpetrators or their victims. The Pinochet case is the most well-known universal jurisdiction case."

  • PRO

    This would function much like life insurance. ... You...

    We need a universal health care system. Here's one idea.

    I have yet to see anyone adequately defend a universal health care system. I propose that we NEED not just a system where everyone is covered, but a single-payer system where the government provides basic coverage for everyone while keeping private ownership of hospitals and doctors' offices. Such a system would weed out administrative overhead, as well as provide adequate leverage to keep drug and device costs down. The private, for-profit system is a perfect example of a market failure which requires government intervention, and is unsustainable in its current form. Therefore, I propose this: We adopt a single-payer national health insurance plan that covers all tax-paying adults up to $20,000 per year. This coverage would be contingent on filing a tax return and would cover all but elective, cosmetic surgery. People could combine their $20,000 coverage when they get married, providing $40,000 of coverage for their family. As of last year, 97% of everyone who sought health care spent just over $21,000 or less, so the $20,000 would cover about 96% of everyone's needs, leaving room for private catastrophic plans. This would function much like life insurance. You don't know when you'll need it, but you most likely will and will be very thankful when you do need it. Medicare and Medicaid will provide catastrophic coverage for the old and poor, and businesses will provide group catastrophic coverage. Since Medicare and Medicaid would have to provide a much smaller set of benefits, resources would be taken from these programs to help fund the national health insurance plan. After that, a plan similar to California's would be used where hospitals and doctors would be taxed to provide further funds for the program. In addition, a sales tax on the advertising, administration and lobbying expenditures of drug and device manufacturers would also be used to fund the program. Should any money be needed beyond that, a tax will be imposed starting at the top tax bracket and working down should more funds be needed. This seems like a good start. I look forward to anyone taking up this debate.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/We-need-a-universal-health-care-system.-Here-s-one-idea./1/
  • PRO

    Thanks to my opponent for this opportunity for debate....

    Should universal health care be implemented in the US given current conditions

    Thanks to my opponent for this opportunity for debate. I will be arguing that implementing universal healthcare is a good idea at this time, and my opponent will be arguing against me.

  • PRO

    They took into consideration the battle cry of the French...

    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights must be taken more seriously.

    Thank you, Con. This should be an interesting debate. First off, let me start with providing a link to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. [http://www.un.org...] Under the leadership of Eleanor Roosevelt in 1945, the Human Rights Commission was charged with drafting the declaration. Representing starkly contrasting backgrounds in culture and philosophy, the members were able to arrive at common understanding of human rights. Thomas Jefferson's Inalienable Rights encompass a very broad spectrum and therefore, become very vague. Also, they came from one man and one mind. All in all, the Inalienable Rights, having come from one man and being as vague as they are due to the broad spectrum of coverage, can become a type of "dough" that anyone can shape. The drafters of the UDHR took into consideration Jefferson's Inalienable Rights, but as for the reasons stated above, they knew that it could not encompass everything and the populace would desire a more finite declaration. Many cultures were drawn upon to draft the UDHR and ultimately ratify it. They took into consideration the battle cry of the French Revolution, "Libert", "galit", fraternit"," Hammurabi's Code, the work of Aristotle, Cicero, Plato, and Socrates, and other things such as the teachings of Buddhism and Hinduism. The first nineteen articles addressed rights related to various personal liberties (life, security of one's person, diverse protections against cruel treatment, equality before the law, etc.), articles 20-26 addressed rights related to social and economic equity, and articles 27-28 addressed rights associated with communal and national solidarity. According to Ren" Cassin, these groups of rights embodied generations of rights. It is due to these reasons that Con's statement above that, "[The] UDHR cannot "be taken more seriously" until the UN recognizes life's Unalienable Rights...as a prerequisite," is an outright foolish claim. Con is insinuating that the Human Rights Commission did not recognize the Inalienable Rights in any way. In conclusion to my first argument, the UDHR is a beautiful, finite document that encompasses the whole of human rights and presents them in a unified, cross-cultural way. Drawing from the considerations taken into account above for the drafting of the UDHR, the drafters also took into account various religions and found the similarities within them that drew upon basic human rights. Therefore, when comparing Jefferson's Inalienable Rights to the UDHR, it is clear that the one that must be taken more seriously is the UDHR because it draws not only from religious standpoints, it also draws upon historical understandings and philosophers' works to become a non-vague, universal understanding of human rights. I look forward to Con's arguments.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/The-Universal-Declaration-of-Human-Rights-must-be-taken-more-seriously./1/
  • PRO

    Health care is a basic human right or entitlement

    Single-payer universal health care

    Health care is a basic human right or entitlement

  • PRO

    Round 1 is acceptance Round 2 is arguments/cases Round 3...

    Healthcare should be considered a right to all of a country's citizens

    Round 1 is acceptance Round 2 is arguments/cases Round 3 is rebuttals Round 4 is defense/closing statements anyone is free to accept, I'm not an elitist arrogant prick, so I haven't put any limits on who can accept this is not exclusively about universal vs private healthcare, but the broader idea that, just like the right to free speech or the right to a fair trial, all citizens should have a right to free basic and necessary healthcare

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Healthcare-should-be-considered-a-right-to-all-of-a-countrys-citizens/1/
  • PRO

    Some insurers value the first, some the other, but none...

    Universal healthcare stifles innovation

    Profits drive innovation. That’s the long and short of it. Medical care is not exception, albeit the situation is a bit more complicated in this case. The US’s current system has a marketplace of different private insurers capable of making individual and often different decisions on how and which procedures they’ll choose to cover. Their decisions are something that helps shape and drive new and different practices in hospitals. A simple example is one of virtual colonoscopies. Without getting into the nitty gritty, they often require follow up procedures, yet are very popular with patients. Some insurers value the first, some the other, but none have the power to force the health care providers to choose one or the other. They’re free to decide for themselves, innovate with guidelines, even new procedures. Those are then communicated back to insurers, influencing them in turn and completing the cycle. What introducing a single-payer universal health coverage would do is introduce a single overwhelming player into this field – the government. Since we have seen how the insurer can often shape the care, what such a monopoly does is opens up the possibility of top-down mandates as to what this care Some insurers value the first, some the other, but none have the power to force the health care providers to choose one or the other. They’re free to decide for themselves, innovate with guidelines, even new procedures. Those are then communicated back to insurers, influencing them in turn and completing the cycle. What introducing a single-payer universal health coverage would do is introduce a single overwhelming player into this field – the government. Since we have seen how the insurer can often shape the care, what such a monopoly does is opens up the possibility of top-down mandates as to what this care Those are then communicated back to insurers, influencing them in turn and completing the cycle. What introducing a single-payer universal health coverage would do is introduce a single overwhelming player into this field – the government. Since we have seen how the insurer can often shape the care, what such a monopoly does is opens up the possibility of top-down mandates as to what this care should be. With talk of “comparative effectiveness research”, tasked with finding optimal cost-effective methods of treatment, the process has already begun.[1] [1] Wall Street Journal, How Washington Rations, published 5/19/2009, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124268737705832167.html#mod=djemEditorialPage, accessed 9/18/2011

  • PRO

    He has as much of a right as anyone to be protected from...

    The United States federal government should provide universal health care to its citizens.

    "Taxes are infringing on an individual's right to make money, so, although they are necessary, universal health care causes us to raise them above that level." OK, I can make the same argument about anything. The government needs funding for a war - they'll raise taxes. The government needs more money for their budget - they raise taxes. The government needs funding for a project - they raise taxes. You can't say that something is bad because it raises taxes. This argument should be null because you could say the same about anything the government needs to do for money. "Taxes, read above, genius..." This is what you said: "...and unnecessary restriction on our freedoms..." You said AND, not AN, so I assumed you meant other restrictions. Genius. "Monetarily, it doesn't matter to Johnny whether he gets universal health care or if his taxes pay for Bobby's health care." Exactly, so why not provide universal health care? This way, EVERYONE can practice their rights, and they wouldn't have to deal with insurance problems. "My plan gives Johnny the ability to buy whatever health insurance he can afford, that is, the one that best suits his needs." There's another problem - why should he have to choose between health insurance systems? He has as much of a right as anyone to be protected from ALL health disasters. "In the universal plan, everyone gets a centralized plan that is "one size fits all" and it is given to people who don't need it." According to you, everyone has a right to health insurance/life. Who wouldn't need health insurance? "Finally, an anti-welfare argument only hurts you, because as I said, Johnny pays the same both ways, but potentially gets less with the universal plan." I'm not anti-welfare, I just said that welfare isn't a substitute for health care. "I meant giving people earmarked funds to pay for health costs that they cannot afford, not traditional AFDC or TANF stuff." Wait, so you're just restating your opinion then? I'm confused. "You know, those purposes of government were made up by some Social Studies Department of Baltimore County Public Schools employee, not by God. Appeals to the authority of BCPS don't really mean anything. Also, 2-4 fit under citizen rights. You need order, safety, economic stability and some public services to maintain citizen rights." It doesn't matter who made them, you can plainly see that any democratic government fulfills these roles for its country. Do you see any successful country maintaining its own order, safety and economic stability without a government? And they don't fit under rights. You treat the word "right" as if a right describes anything you can have. You don't necessarily have to "right" to be economically stable; otherwise it would be in the Constitution and many people would be suing over it. "As I said, universal health care is not necessary as 90% of Americans have health insurance. We need stuff for that last 10%, not everyone, which is phenomenally expensive." Well if it's only 10%, it can't be THAT expensive, can it? You even said yourself that the cost of universal health care makes no financial difference from individual health care ("Monetarily, it doesn't matter to Johnny whether he gets universal health care or if his taxes pay for Bobby's health care."). "Since jack is rich, he can afford a great health plan, better than what the government could give him, much better. It probably includes free spa treatments and other nice stuff." So? What allows the government to say, "We'll give health care to Bobby because he can't afford it, but we won't give any to Jack because he's freakin' rich"? Don't you think Jack and Bobby have equal rights? If everyone has the "right to life" as you claim, then either give them both free health care, or make them both pay for it. "Instituting universal health care, and he pays the same, but gets the government plan, and poof, bye-bye free spa treatments!" Well, if everyone has an equal right to life, then they should have equal health care. You yourself equate health care to life, claiming that the "right to life" would be their choice of health care.

  • PRO

    Balanced Politics.org - "A long, painful transition will...

    Free, universal health care would devastate the insurance industry

    "Should the Government Provide Free Universal Health Care for All Americans?" Balanced Politics.org - "A long, painful transition will have to take place involving lost insurance industry jobs, business closures, and new patient record creation. A universal health plan means the entire health insurance industry would be unnecessary. All companies in that area would have to go out of business, meaning all people employed in the industry would be out of work. A number of hospital record clerks that dealt with insurance would also be out of work. A number of these unemployed would be able to get jobs in the new government bureaucracy, but it would still be a long, painful transition. We'd also have to once again go through a whole new round of patient record creation and database construction, which would cost huge amounts of both time and money."

CON

  • CON

    We need to develop technology and resources which enable...

    United States should switch to a Universal Healthcare System

    Now, it's just too easy for someone to make an opponent of Federal Health Care into a bad guy and to be alarmed at the idea someone could be against it. But there is more to compassion than mere provision, and there are more consequences to Federalizing healthcare than the question of "Who pays?" The simple argument is that unfettering the Private Sector would enable it to do the job better. The American people can work through businesses better than they can work through government. Government programs are a monopoly, and there's no surprise that they act like a monopoly. That is, they provide lower quality resources at higher prices, and without the incentive to make long-term investments in things such as technology, better organizational practices, or efficiency. There's no incentive for a government hospital to cut the length of time one waits for a surgery, to turn down procedures that needlessly backlog busy doctors, or to reduce the cost - that is, the economic damage - of their services with even just effective resource management. Moreover, under a government provision, you have WORSE than monopoly, for you remove still the only competitive drive which a monopoly holds: The threat of non-use of the product. ~~~ Then there is the Economic argument. To put it simply, Free Markets => Reduced Cost => Increased Coverage Government Monopoly => Increased Costs => Higher Taxes => Less Employment => Reduced Wages => Reduced Standard of Living => Poorer Health => Increased Cost of Basic Health Care => Poorer Health Care ~~~ Rather, we should be focusing on reducing the aspects of modern healthcare which are keeping the basics of the free market from operating effectively. This would lower prices, and thereby increase substantially the number of people using healthcare, without compromising the quality of the healthcare provided. For instance: - Provide healthcare directly to the consumer, instead of through employers. The current system averages the price among all users, which means select outliers are bringing up the costs for everyone. Individual competitive pricing would lower the price for most consumers, and there are other ways of sponsoring healthcare for those who are driving up prices. - Require government grants to be matched by hospital resources. Currently, for instance, a hospital may apply for a grant to fund an MRI machine. But that hospital only does it for the prestige of owning one, and may not actually run enough MRIs to make it worthwhile from an economic perspective. Consequently, MRIs at that hospital are needlessly expensive, because a few tests are paying for the upkeep of an expensive machine, while at another hospital, MANY tests are paying for that same upkeep. Matching grants with current resources encourages financial discipline in hospital investment, rewarding and highlighting better hospitals. - We need to develop technology and resources which enable open but informed competition among drug companies, to begin with, that takes place at the consumer level. We also need to couple this with international agreements designed to encourage other countries to remove price constraints on drugs, because their price constraints are raising the price of U.S. drugs substantially, so that the U.S. market is solely responsible for the Research and Development of drugs worldwide. Pairing informed consumer competition (not easy, but very possible) with a world-wide competitive price of drugs would lower our drug prices dramatically. - We need to reduce the role of doctors as middle men as much as possible. Middle Men are an economic waste, as you currently have to pay for the information of a diagnosis before you can pay for treatment. Wherever possible, we should be asking the medical industry to find better, faster, cheaper ways of providing diagnoses and test results. That means consolidation and resource management, which can NOT be done in government healthcare. - We need to develop a method of isolating high-cost patients and providing them with secondary health care funding in a way which does not compromise the legitimacy of the free market system, and also provides additional resources to enable them to learn how to reduce their risk factors. Widespread social problems, such as obesity and smoking, are driving up health costs, and targeting these factors directly and selectively would help to reduce these as a factor driving up costs. This is how the system ought to be improved, rather than embedding ourselves in a government system which will cripple our economy to provide a shoddy quality of healthcare - a system also which is difficult or impossible to undo once created.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/United-States-should-switch-to-a-Universal-Healthcare-System/1/
  • CON

    If one believes otherwise, it is up to them to prove so....

    Morality is Not Universal

    1-"I believe that my opponent is attempting to make the point that humans may not think they are superior to other humans and that they have no right to hurt others or to believe killing them is not immoral. Which is his personal belief and view as to what morality is." If another human believes that he is superior to another human, the onus is on him to prove that to be the case. You can look to science to see that every human is basically the same. They may have different ways of interpreting morality, but that doesn't make anyone superior to another. That being said, it seems to follow that if every human is equal, no human has the right to harm or kill another human. It is wrong, because you are harming another human's life which you have no right to do. If you believe you have the right to harm another human, it is up to you to show why that is so. Otherwise, it is safe to say that because everyone is equal, then killing another human is wrong, because it is not your right to decide who lives and who dies. 2-"Saying that it is only logical to believe that you should not and cannot kill a person and eat their flesh is saying that that idea is superior to any other." I did not say that it is only logical to believe that you should not and cannot kill another human and eat their flesh, rather, that unless you (when I use you, I am using it hypothetically, by the way) can prove that you are superior to every other human being, then it logically follows that you cannot decide who lives and who dies, and you cannot decide that it is perfectly ok to kill another human and eat their flesh. You are their equal, you have no power over them. Again, unless you can prove you are superior over other humans, you are logically their equal. 3-Reaffirmation of my points To reaffirm my points, I will again state that it is demonstrably true that all humans {1} are equal, through use of science. No human has any claim to power or dominion over any other human. If one believes otherwise, it is up to them to prove so. Because every human is equal, no human has the right to decide which humans can live or die, and therefore, cannot kill another human, for whatever reason, cannibalism included. Because of this, the moral statement that killing is wrong is true, whether or not one believes it to be true or not. This isn't my belief, rather, a logical conclusion. I respectfully urge a con vote. {1} Human-"a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens)"-http://www.merriam-webster.com......

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Morality-is-Not-Universal/1/
  • CON

    Profit motives, competition, and individual ingenuity...

    Universal Healthcare be provided to all American citizens

    Don't be so quick to assume that the only basis for my argument is what I said in round 1. Remember there are four rounds to this one. So I am going to state a few more points and feel free to retort them. I can provide credentials upon request. "Free" health care isn't really free since we must pay for it with taxes; expenses for health care would have to be paid for with higher taxes or spending cuts in other areas such as defense, education, etc. There's an entitlement mentality in this country that believes the government should give us a number of benefits such as "free" health care. But the government must pay for this somehow. What good would it do to wipe out a few hundred dollars of monthly health insurance premiums if our taxes go up by that much or more? If we have to cut AIDS research or education spending, is it worth it? Profit motives, competition, and individual ingenuity have always led to greater cost control and effectiveness. Government workers have fewer incentives to do well. They have a set hourly schedule, cost-of-living raises, and few promotion opportunities. Compare this to private sector workers who can receive large raises, earn promotions, and work overtime. Government workers have iron-clad job security; private sector workers must always worry about keeping their jobs, and private businesses must always worry about cutting costs enough to survive. Government-controlled health care would lead to a decrease in patient flexibility. At first glance, it would appear universal health care would increase flexibility. After all, if government paid for everything under one plan, you could in theory go to any doctor. However, some controls are going to have to be put in to keep costs from exploding. For example, would "elective" surgeries such as breast implants, wart removal, hair restoration, and lasik eye surgery be covered? Then you may say, that's easy, make patients pay for elective surgery. Although some procedures are obviously not needed, who decides what is elective and what is required? What about a breast reduction for back problems? What about a hysterectomy for fibroid problems? What about a nose job to fix a septum problem caused in an accident? Whenever you have government control of something, you have one item added to the equation that will most definitely screw things up--politics. Suddenly, every medical procedure and situation is going to come down to a political battle. The compromises that result will put in controls that limit patient options. The universal system in Canada forces patients to wait over 6 months for a routine pap smear. Canada residents will often go to the U.S. or offer additional money to get their health care needs taken care of.

  • CON

    However, having a "lock and key" doesn't guarantee safety...

    Implementing some form of Universal Healthcare in the United States would be beneficial

    Obviously I agree that people with a handicap can't take care of themselves. However, not every person in the country has a handicap. You said that people would pay through taxes for the health care for themselves, and others because it's the right thing to do. I hate to be the one to point this out, but not everyone in this country is that nice. No one should be "entitled" to anything. We should ALL work to achieve what's best for us individually. As for the preventing ailments, I stick by what I said. Even with what you just said. With having there be no lab fees, no co-pay, no monetary worries, people will still take advantage. They will be more inclined to see what they can get out of the system. I still find the always available records are dangerous. I will agree that they would be handy for patients and doctors. However, having a "lock and key" doesn't guarantee safety of records. I can tell you that if I was a patient, I wouldn't allow my information to be posted on these records. I don't trust the security that you are suggesting. I don't think that universal health care would reduce mortality rates. Having unlimited access to doctor's won't do anything. It isn't going to cure cancer patients, or any other incurable disease.

  • CON

    Sorry, wrong notes. ... All praise be to satan, forever...

    The United States Government ought to provide Universal Healthcare for its Citizens

    Hello ladies and gentlemen. Are you all seated comfortably? No, not you inferno. No-one cares what you think. Everyone else? Splendid. We are gathered here today to bear witness to the union... Sorry, wrong notes. Its the wedding ceremony Mirza made me prepare for ViVeri, in his words, "just in-case" What I meant to say is that the burden of proof lies with the 35th Arch-Bishop Ann Gel (I'm glad to see the church appointing female Bishops to such high positions in the church). So friends, comrades, acquaintances and Imabench, as the good Bishop has not defined her terms, one can only assume that she wishes to let this humble sky pirate have this honour and define the relevant and potentially contentious terms; Should; a moral obligation. X should do Y because of the moral implications. Universal health care: a health care system which provides coverage to all of its citizens. So little hobbitses, my pious 'pponent must not only prove that this cause is worth while, but also that moral implications exist. Otherwise she would be committing the is-ought fallacy. With out further ado, let the hunger games begin! All praise be to satan, forever and ever. Amen.

  • CON

    Although the impact on liberties may be less tangible and...

    DDO Tier Tournament: The United States ought to guarantee universal health care for its citizens.

    This is my first ever tournament! I look forward to fun and exciting debate. May the best debater advance. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Let’s examine the BoP. In order for Pro to win, he must prove both of the following: 1. That universal health care leads to better outcomes (whether in financial or well-being aspects) 2. That the government is obligated to provide for health care I only need to negate one of these points in order to ensure victory, and the first 2 contentions of my case will be adressing the second point. [To further streghnthen my argument], my last contention will adress the first point. Contention 1: Kant's Categorical Imperatives Kant's Categorical Imperatives have two parts. The First Formulation and The Second Formulation. Sub-Point A: First Formulation "Kant's first formulation of the CI states that you are to “act only in accordance with that maxim through which you can at the same time will that it become a universal law... Perfect duties come in the form ‘One mustnever (or always) φ to the fullest extent possible in C’, while imperfect duties, since they enjoin the pursuit of an end, come in the form ‘One must sometimes and to some extent φ in C’ (Pg. 1)" [1] In the first formulation, Kant tries to draw the distinction between Perfect Duties and Imperfect Duties. Perfect Duties (not to kill, not to steal, etc.) must always be followed in order for social order to be preserved. On the other hand, Imperfect Duties are left for individuals to pursue. Even while Imperfect Duties may present a benefit to society, they cannot be mandated. Otherwise, individual autonomy would be violated. Health Care is an Imperfect Duty, because it is not needed to preserve social order, and thus should not be mandated. Sub-Point B: Second Formulation "We should never act in such a way that we treat Humanity, whether in ourselves or in others, as a means only but always as an end in itself."[2] If the government were to disregard an individual’s autonomy and enforce and Imperfect Duty for the benefit of others, the government would have then undermined the humanity of that individual and abused them as a mere tool to achieve its ends. Although the impact on liberties may be less tangible and more difficult to measure, they are, of course, still very important. The Imperfect Duty falls to individuals to take care of their own health and decide for themselves whether they wish to purchase insurance. Thusly, the societal aims of the general good as well as individual liberties are balanced. Syllogism for this contention: 1.The Government should only act to enforce the imperatives of Perfect Duties. 2.Universal health care does not meet the standard of a Perfect Duty. Conclusion: Thus, the Government should not act to enforce universal health care. Contention 2: Nozick's Entitlement Theory Sub-Point A: "Essentially, what Nozick says is that if a person originally obtained a resource without violating anyone else’s rights, or from another person voluntarily, then he or she is entitled to it.... “everyone has some entitlement or claim on the totality of natural assets... with no one having differential claims. The distribution of natural abilities is viewed as a ‘collective asset’” [3] Nozick believes that no one is entitled to another’s holdings or goods that were acquired by that person. He argued that the government should not be in the business of transferring someone’s holdings or goods (e.g. property, wages, etc.) to another who did not acquire the holdings or goods in the first place. From this, it is possible to conclude how he feels about health care that is provided through taxation of citizens. Nozick argued that any taxation imposed by the state in order to provide services or benefits to others is both unfair and unjust. Syllogism: 1. Individuals are entitled to the things they have (as long as they did not infringe upon the rights of others to get there things) 2. Government should not be allowed take someone's things and give it to another person - since the person has acquired his things rightfully Conclusion: If someone has healthcare, and is paying for it by holding a job and working, it is unjust for the government to take money from this person (in the form of taxes), just so that someone else can receive the same benefits without working. Contention 3: Universal Healthcare is ineffective and lowers quality for all Sub-Point A: Having universal health insurance does not equate to receiving quality treatment "Britain's Department of Health reported in 2006 that at any given time, nearly 900,000 Britons are waiting for admission to National Health Service hospitals, and shortages force the cancellation of more than 50,000 operations each year. In Sweden, the wait for heart surgery can be as long as 25 weeks, and the average wait for hip replacement surgery is more than a year. Many of these individuals suffer chronic pain, and judging by the numbers, some will probably die awaiting treatment.”[4] Although universal health care systems may provide insurance coverage for all citizens, it does not guarantee accessible and quality treatment. This can be attributed to factors such as inefficiency in switching from free market operations to government determined supply and price, often leading to shortages. As demonstrated by the figures above, this can lead to unreasonably wait times or even denied procedures. Thus, a health insurance system can actually hinder the true goal of providing health care. Sub-Point B: Government-paid health care creates an incentive to abuse the system “The employee is better off to charge a $50 doctor bill to the insurance company—even if the [insurance] company spends $20 to process it—and have the employer pay the extra $70 in a higher premium to cover the bill and the processing cost. The alternative—having the employer pay [the employee] an extra $70 in cash– yields the employee only about $42 [because of federal income, social security, and Medicare taxes] and costs the employer $75.36 ($70 + $5.36, the employer’s portion of the social security and Medicare tax on $70).” [5] This proves, with figures, just how the private market-public good interplay works out in US tax code. The fact that government health care is tax-negative enough to force action to the private sector, and then the actual cost of private sector action on the employer shows the inefficiency of the cost of gov't provided health care. Syllogism: 1. Universal health care does not gaurantee quality treatment for everyone. This means that there is no net gain in well-being. 2. People that get free health care tend to abuse the system. This only hurts the economy as a whole. Conclusion: We can conclude that there is no benefit in terms of well-being or Finance ==================================================================== Sources: [1] Johnson, Robert. "Kant's Moral Philosophy.” The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. 2012. URL = <http://plato.stanford.edu...;. [2] Johnson, Robert. "Kant's Moral Philosophy.” The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. 2012. URL = <http: plato.stanford.edu/archives/sum2012/entries/kant-moral/>. [3] Rice, T. "Individual autonomy and state involvement in health care" Journal of Medical Ethics. 2001. Pg 241-2 [4] Tanner, Michael, and Michael Cannon. “Universal Healthcare’s Dirty Little Secrets.” Los Angeles Times. 2007. Web.<http://www.latimes.com...; [5] Hsieh, P and Zinser, L. "Moral Health Care vs. “Universal Health Care”" The Objective Standard. 2007. Pg.

  • CON

    All of these life forms are alienated from their "rights"...

    There are universal, objective moral values

    Lets get the semantic argument over with. Per dictionary.com: Objective, adjective : not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased Value, n: relative worth, merit, or importance: right, n: a just claim or title, whether legal, prescriptive, or moral alienate, v: to turn away; transfer or divert Pro seems to relentlessly provide examples which would promote Con's stance which is morality is all based on someone's point of view. There is no universal objective criteria that applies to all things which can be used to decide whether something is morally right or wrong. It all comes from ones own perspective and is nothing but an arbitrary idea until one controls the power to enforce his opinions on others. Pro states, "When social values keeps a society together, they are 'valuable'". They are only valuable to that particular society. Just because something is good for one person, doesn't mean it is universally good in general. From my point of view, it's good for me to survive, I admit, but I doubt cows, spinach plants, apple trees, wasps, ants, mice, moles, and bacteria would agree. All of these life forms are alienated from their "rights" to life by me, en mass, on a daily basis. If the promotion of life is morally correct, any life forms that require the consumption of other life forms is morally incorrect. It is a logical possibility that life could exist with out this necessity. Most plants do this just fine. I wonder if humans could synthesize a diet using methods that don't utilize any consumption of living things? But that is irrelevant (just like the rant about the U.S. Government.) There is no criteria to judge right from wrong. If you want a law or to have any rights, you need power to enforce it, or it will cease to exist. In Hitler's mind, as well as that of his colleagues, many of his subjects, and many subsequent fans to this day, he was doing a morally good thing. The only objective criteria one can use to say he was morally wrong is that the opinions of a larger force differed from his, and they used their power to enforce their opinions, which ultimately led the the virtual extinction of his morality. No matter what, there were 2 opposing opinions at that point in time, the one with the more powerful force is the one history will say was morally just; and will have nothing but the outcome of the power struggle to justify that claim. If Hitler had the power to enforce his will, every living human today (or at least the consensus) would consider Hitler a hero; a champion of good. I hate to keep bringing a deity into this as I wouldn't call myself a theist, but I must say if it weren't for my own selfish enjoyment of altruism and compassion, I would require a supreme god-like being offering some sort of eternal life to convince me of the value in morality. Because as of now, Pro has not convinced me that it would be morally wrong for me to obtain dominion over all living things simply for my own happiness. Once I die, how can I care? In fact, the world would have 100% less suffering if I just destroyed the entire solar system. Who could possibly care in the long run?

  • CON

    Our own politicians are not aware of what is going in the...

    Universal Brotherhood Is More Important Than Patriotism

    My knowledgeable opponent you know what's going on in our country. There are lots of terrorism.....you know why, why it is....because we never make internal brotherhood. Our own politicians are not aware of what is going in the country, then universal brotherhood is very far from our thinking.......just leave it...first we have to improve ourselves and our own country. Mahatma Gandhi is known all over the world for his patriotism towards India. He was respected by Martin Luther King yesterday and by Obama today. Obama got Nobel peace prize and his role model is Gandhi. Gandhi is known for his patriotic feeling that got freedom to India. When a person keeps some one who is patriot he is able win NOBEL PEACE PRIZE,so patriotism doesn't lead a country to blood shed but to a peace paradise. MAHATMA GANDHI died only in INDIA but the whole world was crying....

  • CON

    I agree. ... This is my first debate on this website but...

    English should not be considered an international or universal language.

    I agree. This is my first debate on this website but I do debate in school so this should be fun.

  • CON

    It's a shame he couldn't have thought to make a lot of...

    Assisted Suicide Laws should be Universal

    It's a shame he couldn't have thought to make a lot of these resonses earlier in the debate where we would've had more time to have substantive discussion over the resolution rather than just wait for the very last round to try and cheap his way through. Voters should keep in mind his new responses in the last round and my lack of ability to address them properly. What this debate comes down to is pretty simple: Pro mishandles the Kritik and doesn't take it nearly as seriously as he should've. His case is a moving target that lets him unfairly take both sides of the resolution while excluding me from any kind of responsive position substantively (If I say why we shouldn't let everyone have Assisted suicide, he just flips to no one, and vice versa). It's also hilarious because his response to not being a moving target is to quote specifically where he explicitly says he's a moving target from the very first round. And because he lacks any kind of sufficient offense that can weigh against the K, you negate. The K Debate: A lot of the K debate comes down to if I link and should it really be something that voters look to or am I just a sh*tty person for arguing for this. There's a major problem in trying to argue that the K doesn't link to Pro's case. In his attempt to argue that we should be giving everyone equality and not doing so is a violation of their human worth and all these other sorts of things that he's trying to extend out from his case, he kind of concedes that having these things violated is a pretty bad thing and it's not something we ought to be doing according to Pro. Pay attention kids because this is where he concedes the link to the K. If he's trying to argue that not giving everyone equality to ensure human worth is a harm to people (which is the entire point of his contention two and the general jist of his contention one, i.e. his whole case), then he's explicitly biting into the Turanli card of striving for a better, more ideal world that isn't the world we live in. That's the link. The better part is that his attempts to sever the link undermine his own case. If he's trying to argue that the K doesn't, in fact, link, and that he's not actually trying to strive for a better world and improve people's standings in the world, then why are we even thinking about affirming in the first place? His response to this? Whining about how every policy debate doesn't have to be about suffering. You're right there, but this one is. Thanks for letting me run a K :D He goes on to attack Nietzsche 1 with the same logic that I refuted last round. He doesn't respond to my defense of it. #shipspassing Then the tangent about how I'm a horrible person for advocating for Nietzsche. What my opponent fails to understand through his emotional appeal to "common sense" is that all of these "harms" to things like rape and torture and all these physical and psychological "harms", all of these things that he's arguing is bad is exactly what the K is calling into question. It's the entire flipping point of Nietzsche 2, which is saying that all of these things he says are "bad" are actually what make humanity great. Read through any and all of his rounds and you won't find a single response to this argument anywhere in his nonsensical understanding of the K. The entire point of the K is addressing why people not being equal is such a bad thing and he never questions this warrant. The entire point of the "Counter-K" is, basically, to call Nietzsche an a**hole. There's no response to the substance of the K. And that whole section about Nietzschean philosophy? How convenient he saves all of this for the last round where I have the least amount of time and space to respond to all of this...even if it's not explicitly stated in the rules, voters shouldn't even consider these new arguments just out of fairness, but I'll cover them briefly. His entire quoting of the harms principle is to say that the Harms principle is a thing, which doesn't do anything to say as why we ought to be reducing suffering over looking to Nietzsche. Says I make bare assertions and follows it up with his own bare assertion. #logic. His quoting of Kain's response to Nietzsche is without warrant as well. Half of it is him just wordedly saying that I don't agree with Nietzsche. The actual substance of the card is the "The point here is that it is legiitmate to treat suffering as if it can be reduced", but doesn't actually back this up with any kind of reason why this is true or ought to be true. Another bare assertion. Maybe he's just trying to use Kain 2 as a supplement to Kain to give it warrant. But Kane 2 doesn't even address the K: It's saying that having an all-powerful leader figure wouldn't actually solve for Nietzsche's framework because it doesn't actually reduce suffering, but that's never been the point of the K in the first place. So in short, his attempt to address the philosophy behind the K just doesn't really...address...anything...at all. But let's move over to Pro's side of the debate. Let's shed some light on exactly how unfair Pro's case is and how he misinterpret's his own ability to do things on the flow. Pro's Case: Pro's case is a clear example of what a moving target is. He gives himself two options for what he "can advocate for" in the debate: either giving everyone access to assisted suicide, or giving no one access to assisted suicide. Those are two pretty polar opposite positions, which makes the negative's job really hard for unfair reasons. If I start making responses for why giving everyone access to assisted suicide is a really bad thing, he can just negate literally the entirety of my rounds by saying "Okay, then no one gets it, affirm pls", and vice versa if I were to attack the other side. This means that we really don't ever get to discuss anything about assisted suicide in the first place, and instead I have to resort to running a K as the only real way I can address Pro's case without perpetually contradicting myself to try and respond to him. This problem wouldn't really be that bad if later in the debate he picked a stance to defend: that way we'd just miss out on a round or two and then we could...y'know....actually debate. But he continually makes it unclear what he'd actually defend. You can see it clearly in his responses ("As I said earlier, my argument may increase suffering if all people are banned from Assisted Suicide, which I explained is permissible under this resolution. People who have the right to Assisted Suicide may lose that right because of my resolution." from round 4). His whole defense for being able to take both sides is "I made it clear in round one, you didn't read definitions clear enough", but the mere fact that I'm calling him out on being unfair should be a clear thing that I actually did read. His putting it in Round One doesn't mean that I shouldn't be able to call him out on bad debate practices. But let's actually examine his case closer to see if his claim to be able to do this actually holds up. His first contention is saying that equality is super important to a democracy and only giving it to some people isn't making things equal. Okay fair. His second contention, though, is where things get interesting. His second contention is saying that how with things not being equal the terminally ill are just worth less as humans and viewed as expendable. He even goes on to say "However if the right to Assisted Suicide is applicable to everyone, the human value of every person would remain the same." But is that actually true. As his own case says people who are eligible for assisted suicide are being bullied into taking it. If we make this eligible to everyone, doesn't this open up the potential for everyone to be bullied into assisted suicide? Wouldn't that say that everyone is expendible and everyone's worth is being devalued? Pro never addresses this anywhere within the debate. This means that if he wishes to have giving everyone the option as a choice, he can't really access contention two as offense. And let's consider the flipside again. Look at his contention one. Look at all those people who aren't terminally ill who are requesting the right to assisted suicide. He says that it's this loss of autonomy and dignity is what should be the decider of who ought to be able to request such things (said here "Anyone has the right to feel loss of autonomy and dignity and may wish to die. Preventing them from Assisted Suicide undermines their right to equality."). But that raises the question: wouldn't denying everyone the right to assisted suicide as you claim your case allows you to mean that everyone has a loss of autonomy and dignity since they can't actually make these decisions for themselves anymore? Again, there's no response to this from Pro. This means that if he want's to deny it to everyone, he can't actually access offense from contention one. Summary: The debate breaks down really easily and it's a fairly straight-forward negative vote. The K easily stands and is the first place you reject the resolution. No matter which side of the field he wants to hop, he's doing it because he wants to make everyone equal and it's this not being equal that undermines people's value, which is the link into the K that stands. Moreover, his case is a classic example of a moving target, even though he can't actually function as the moving target he wants to be.

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