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  • PRO

    Understand feminism as a collection of movements and...

    Feminism is morally good

    Understand feminism as a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women and morality as the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are "good" (or right) and those that are "bad" (or wrong). Under this context, I will be arguing pro, which means I defend the case of feminism being morally good, as opposed to any ideology that enters in direct conflict with feminism.

  • PRO

    I would like to invite anyone in the grand debate about...

    Feminism is ruining video games

    I would like to invite anyone in the grand debate about feminism in one of entertainments biggest industries, video gaming. I would like to say that I am referring to feminism affecting games in regards to the games themselves. I am not referring to harassment in the workplace, domestic abuse, or differences in pay grade level. I am referring to the end product that received in the video game and how feminism affects it.

  • PRO

    I'm re-doing this debate after a request from Awood8964....

    Feminism is morally good

    I'm re-doing this debate after a request from Awood8964. Understand feminism as a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women and morality as the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are "good" (or right) and those that are "bad" (or wrong). Under this context, I will be arguing pro, which means I defend the case of feminism being morally good, as opposed to any ideology that enters in direct conflict with feminism.

  • PRO

    Modern Feminists are women who love to ban harmless words...

    Modern Feminism is dead

    Feminism is he belief that women are and should be treated as potential intellectual equals and social equals to men, however, there are feminists out there who use "the power of feminism" to try and make women more superior than men. Modern Feminists are women who love to ban harmless words and tell men how to live their life, and that doesn't sound like equality to me. Feminists are the type of females who love to go around assaulting men knowing that if a man was to get her back he'd be sent straight to the big house. If you find pages that support feminism on social media, you'd see posts with hateful/negative posts towards men. Modern Feminism is stupid and shouldn't exist because they aren't really doing anything to equal rights with men, if they were, they'd be helping out women in Saudi Arabia who are actually being oppressed but no, they're still living a free life trying to force men how to live their lives, if anything men are being oppressed now days. Feminists are known to start stupid trends such as, #BanFathersday, #KillAllMen, The Slut Walk, and the most disgusting of all, #FreeThePits. There was also a time where feminists made a video with little girls making them curse about stupid things. Feminism is pathetic and it should be stopped. https://twitter.com... https://twitter.com... https://feministfreq.com...

  • PRO

    I will overlook the fact that they deliberately ignored...

    Feminism is useless in the west now.

    My opponent is claiming that being part of a group is a singular reason why feminism is a good thing in the west. I will overlook the fact that they deliberately ignored the fact that i mentioned this was in exception to 3rd world countries and unrelated however. I would like to pose to my opponent the idea that is feminism in this country really a role model now? Do you think other countries will really want to follow our example when they look at what feminism has become now and what it is fighting for? Would you not agree that to an outsider looking at what feminism has been reduced too (namely trying to be the biggest victim and wandering around making issues out of thin air so that they have a reason to keep screaming at the top of their lungs) would actually want it? If my opponents argument focuses on this then i will have to oblige and ask that does he really think feminism is setting a good example in its current iteration?

  • PRO

    This debate should be impossible to accept, so comment if...

    Feminism is beneficial to Western society.

    For the purpose of this debate, feminism will be defined as "the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities." Let me make it clear that we are debating about the actually theory of feminism. Like in all large groups, some feminists do not follow this theory and instead put men down. Unless you can factually prove that mosts feminists do that, then do not bring that up in an argument. Saying that most of the feminists you have seen do ______ is NOT evidence. (that is anecdotal and not credible.) I want this debate to be about the mission of feminism and whether Western society can improve from it. Con must prove that feminism is unnecessary or detrimental to society. First round is acceptance. This debate should be impossible to accept, so comment if you are interested. I understand that the wording of this is a little esoteric, so leave questions in the comments if you want. It should be more clear then.

  • PRO

    Thank you Con for starting this debate. I myself am a...

    "Third Wave" Feminism

    Thank you Con for starting this debate. I myself am a Radical feminsit, so this should be fun ;) I will use this round as acceptance, and define some terms. Third-Wave Feminism- Feminism portal. Third-wave feminism refers to several diverse strains of feminist activity and study, whose exact boundaries in the history of feminism are a subject of debate, but are generally marked as beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to the present. (https://www.google.com...) Feminism- the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. (https://www.google.com...) Con's claims are based off of assumptions, and personal evaluations. They claim that "I have personally witnessed to modern feminist laugh at a men who have been abused and raped just because they believe men cannot be abuse and/or raped." Because of this claim, Con makes it seems as if *every feminist* thinks its fine for a man to be raped. In order for Con to win the debate, they must prove that *every feminist* belives in in-humane morals and actions such as rape. I look foward to their case!

  • PRO

    There is inequality among both genders. ... Women are...

    Feminism is no longer beneficial in America

    In this modern age, feminism is no longer needed. There is inequality among both genders. Women are just as privileged as men, and Women are just as privileged as men, and feminism is becoming a dangerous juggernaut in the media.

  • PRO

    Now, I do dearly apologize and I am going to willingly...

    Humanism > Feminism

    I'm rather confused by what you are saying here, but I will only assume you are talking about how I speak of feminism. Are you telling me that is what you think about Feminism in that paragraph? No, no, we were talking about the wages of men and women, and all I was saying is that I think its better to confront the wage gap of everyone as equals instead of just women. Since Feminism just focuses only on one and blames males for pretty bad things if you think about it. Patriarchy, misogyny, and responsible in general for a lot of things. Mind you, this isn't what Feminism says it does, but really, the source of their problems they all generally agree is the fault of men. Humanism puts the fault onto typical human nature. Because it pretty much is that if you go to the natural roots, we as a species are at fault for the prejudices we've made on others. What Feminism fails to realize is that even their own gender criticizes it. Does that not say anything of Feminism and the comparison you are trying to make it to racism? Now, I do dearly apologize and I am going to willingly accept this will come to the detriment of my score, but it is late and there is only five hours left to post this. I must be getting to bed soon. So I will just comment on what I found most interesting skimming through, which was your last paragraph. "As nice as it would be for equality to be a clear and obvious term, it just isn't. Humans don't think that way, we would rather live our lives peacefully and blissfully ignorant of what's going on around us, as long as everything seems hunky-dory. We even invented a word for it, Normal. As long as everything is Normal, there isn't any problems, as soon as we realize there is a problem within our normality, we do whatever we can to fix that problem so we can go back to our previous state. It's up to those who feel victimized and hurt by normal to speak out against it, otherwise, everything just seems... Normal." I have had this even told me by some members of my family. That my ideal of humanity just isn't realistic. That it isn't compatible with modern-day standards. But you know what, you know how they say history is doomed to repeat itself? I believe it is also blessed to repeat itself. Another renaissance-type era would benefit the human species greatly. The advancements in not only technology but philosophy was great. And it may seem hopeless now, but I personally believe that if I keep my beliefs, if I have faith that humanity can one day learn that we must join together as a team, not playing a large blame game between the groups of people. I tire of hearing those that say "Oh, this group of people is responsible for the faults of society." I tire of hearing the blame putting on others and not within ourselves. To instead perhaps strive to solve, not to blame. To better, not to degrade. I may be ambitious in my goals but I do honestly believe these things. That humanity can be better. And humanity can persevere. Goodnight, and I acknowledge this argument is on a wing and a prayer and it may not make sense. I hope it does though.

CON

  • CON

    Point 2: I. ... Sources: 1-...

    Feminism fights to harm men.

    Rebuttal to Third Argument: Point 1: I. My opponent has simply pasted sources without describing the qualities or as to how they redirect back into their argument. II. My opponent has yet again simply copy/pasted directly from this source.[1] III. My opponent has yet to answer to any of my counter arguments, or provide how the ideology of feminism is not centered around equality of the sexes. C: Feminism has yet to be shown (in this argument) that it 'fights to harm men', meaning the burden of proof has not been fulfilled. Also, if you acknowledge that there are feminists that 'want true equality' then you are conceding your argument. Point 2: I. 'Feminist' A fights to harm men, while 'Feminist' B fights for gender equality. II. A 'feminist' is, by definition, 'a person who supports feminism'. III. Feminism is, by definition, the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.[2] C: Feminist B is by definition not a feminist, whereas Feminist A by definition is a feminist. Point 3: I. My opponent's claim is that 'Feminism fights to harm men'. II. Feminism is composed of individuals that fight for gender equality, not female supremacy. C: Feminism does not fight to harm men, thus my opponent's claim is false. Sources: 1- http://anti-feminism-pro-equality.tumblr.com... 2- http://dictionary.reference.com...

  • CON

    Feminism means to abolish this social hierarchy in favor...

    Feminism fights to harm men.

    Opening Argument: To begin, i would like to define the term feminism: fem·i·nism [fem-uh-niz-uh m] noun the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.[1] I would like to mention that this definition alone already shows the resolution that 'Feminism fights to harm men' to be false. However, I will continue with my opening points. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Feminism is based around equal power distribution between the sexes, not supremacy. Feminism makes the claim that there is a hierarchy that exists that is tilted in favor of men, this is called patriarchy. Feminism means to abolish this social hierarchy in favor of gender equality between the sexes, not the supremacy of one sex. This alone is clarified in the definition of the term, and anyone who strays from this term (such as radical 'feminists' like TERFs) is by definition not a feminist, nor do they under any circumstance represent feminism. Saying such is equivalent to me saying, since one person in the state of Louisiana is a member of the Ku Klux Klan, then all people in Louisiana are members of the Ku Klux Klan. Saying that all feminists seek to harm men is baseless. Purporting that feminism ignores issues like domestic violence against men, or non-recognition of female on male rape (both of which are issues that MRAs like to throw around, but do nothing about) is also baseless. Patriarchy and imbalance of power between the sexes (and imbalance of power between classes) is what causes these instances, and is exactly what feminism is opposed to. I will rebuttal my opponents opening argument claims in the second round. I hope we can have an intelligent and meaningful debate.

  • CON

    Unlike true feminists, first-world feminists only care...

    Modern Day Feminism Has No Legitimacy.

    Best of luck to you as well. I will start my argument by stating that I myself, just as my opponent is not a 'men's rights activist', am not a feminist, or, at least, I am not a first-world feminist. I believe that in a first world environment, the only things that come anywhere close to "oppression" are illegal, and while of course they still happen they are prosecutable and therefore are not exactly fixable with a movement other than perhaps that by police. As many people will argue, the majority (if not all) of first-world feminist claims have been completely disproven. However, it is here where my opponent has made a mistake. They are referring only to first-world feminism. It is not modern feminism as a whole that is illegitimate, but first-world feminism. First-world feminism is the most prominent from of feminism, and also arguably the most pointless. Unlike true feminists, first-world feminists only care about women getting murdered when they have to use it for damage control. We don't usually hear about this larger picture of feminism, generally because instead of sitting at a computer writing articles, or marching in parades protesting against issues that aren't there, these feminists are doing something about the problems that are actually present in the world. True feminism as it exists in the modern world appears in places such as Egypt, where feminists protest alongside thousands of other revolutionists despite the risk of death that they have been reminded of time and time again, or in the Peshmerga, where men and women are fighting together against ISIL forces in the Middle East, or in any other of the Kurdish movements there, and in dozens of other examples I have not listed here. It is, putting it lightly, wildly misrepresented by first-world feminists. This type of feminism is not but one simple group as it may have seemed initially, but instead comes in many forms, such as Marxist feminism and anarcho-feminism, where with both the idea is not to blame men, but to blame and act against the system which exploits and hurts both men and women, or for example libertarian feminism (not including individualist feminism), where women and men are given the same extensive rights. You may've noticed a pattern here. Unlike first-world feminism, these forms of feminism are centered around men and women being allies or at the very least, on friendly terms, unlike the feminism we see in America and other first-world countries, where this is only a claim used for damage control and nothing more. The various forms of feminism outside of first-world have been instated as movements in America before, of course, but they eventually devolve into first-world, fail entirely due to the inherent lack of problems to deal with, or eventually merge with the movement other than feminism that they are associated with; for example anarchism or Marxism. Modern feminism is not illegitimate; It is only this first-world breed of "feminism" that has no legitimacy.

  • CON

    1st off life is not fair, And if you think it is then I'm...

    Feminism

    you say all women have a disadvantage. 1st off life is not fair, And if you think it is then I'm sorry but you would be incorrect. Second of all this statement is just completely untrue. Maybe back in the 1990s there were some scandals going on where they paid women less. But today all that fake news is getting into women's heads and setting them off and that is what created 1st off life is not fair, And if you think it is then I'm sorry but you would be incorrect. Second of all this statement is just completely untrue. Maybe back in the 1990s there were some scandals going on where they paid women less. But today all that fake news is getting into women's heads and setting them off and that is what created feminism. Also I don't get why you say they work harder. They work the same amount as men. And If they don't its because maybe some of the men in the workplace are more muscularly inclined.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/36/
  • CON

    Being a minority does not excuse you from ruining...

    Feminism

    "But what about movements of the past? Equal pay, Equal opportunity, Equal rights. Those were in the name of feminism. " - And if I shot someone claiming feminism made me do it, Would it be a feminist action? "An argument for equality of outcome is exactly what we need, No? Outcome being how people are treated and respected on the streets. Outcome on where we end up when we start to die. " - No, This is as far from the truth as I can imagine. Both from a historical and pragmatic perspective. The only equal outcome we'll ever achieve is when we're actually all dead. Also, You're confusing equality of opportunity and equality outcome. - Individuals aren't equal, And groups are different. By attempting to create a perceived equal outcome you've stomped upon the work of one group and incentivized laziness in the other. "There is every reason for a false victim to own up to lies. Accusations destroy lives almost as much as the assaults themselves. Being a minority does not excuse you from ruining someone's life because you feel like it. " - It does if you're perceived as being oppressed by an unfair institution, Of which the accused is a part of. In fact, Under this paradigm, It's actively incentivized. "That ideal is what is wrong. If a girl wants to be like that, Nobody is stopping them. But if the girl wants to be different or wants to stand out, The fear of being looked down upon by guys or friends scares them into conforming. " - Nobody is forcing them to conform. You're also misunderstanding male vs female mating psychology. Men don't really care as much about social status as they mate across and down the hierarchy; females do the exact opposite and mate across and up the hierarchy. Women are also more socially conscientious which makes them more conformative to cultural ideals. "I argue a focused point and make it broad, But that is basically the standing ground of my argument. " - I wasn't making an argument, I was simply stating as I saw it.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/34/
  • CON

    These sources said stuff like 'I can produce offspring....

    Is feminism necessary.

    Argument 2 "I would like to point out that in feminism no one is getting 'oppressed' or 'murdered' for not agreeing, the thing that is happening is women's rights are being attained." I"d have to disagree with both parts because Feminist are oppressing men. Because of Feminist men are even less privileged and are being stereotyped as pigs. Women have more leeway when it comes to the law. The fact that a woman can accuse her husband of sexual abuse with no facts and gain custody of her children even though she might not be unequipped to raise her children just shows how much more privileged women are. "These sources said stuff like 'I can produce offspring. A status which grants me an "essential" status in our species that men can never have and which can never be taken away from me even in old age.' This is a load of rubbish, I mean, it takes two people to make a baby, hence the male and female are both 'essential'." Even though that is true women and Feminist like to use pregnancy as an argument saying they"re the only ones who can produce offspring so that accusation is not rubbish. Unless you can disprove any of the accusation from those articles my argument for women being more privileged still stands. "Also, I would like to point out that the vast majority of women are paid less than men in the same job, some employers won't hire women in case they become pregnant and have to take maternity leave and there are still a large range of stereotypes against women. These are really important problems that need to be sorted out." If you"re talking about the wage gap, it doesn"t exist. Women on average make less because on average more women choose jobs that are part time and don"t pay as much. If women got paid less then why wouldn"t all the Corporations and businesses hire all women to save money? I know there are some stereotypes against women but there are also stereotypes against men. What Feminist like to do is take a problem that includes both women and men and make it a women"s issue when its not. "Lastly, you said at the start you don't think feminism is necessary. But I implore you to think, without feminism we might not have the vote or some of the other things we see as so normal today. Think, What would the world be like?" Sorry for not being specific. I"m referring to modern day feminism. I know what first and second wave feminism did and I appreciates that. ^w^ Why women are more privileged and why the wage gap doesn"t exist: Female privilege in action:

  • CON

    The case, Craig v. Boren, was filled by a plaintiff in...

    Feminism is bad

    We hear about the horrors women in other countries endure everyday: rape in India, Genital Mutilation in Egypt, and sex trafficking in Europe. We feel compassion for these women, but yet we ignore the discrimination women in the United States. Discrimination against women is still a prevalent issue in today's society. Let's begin our observation of the current situation with: Observation One: Women are still being discriminated upon--this means we NEED feminism Even with strides we have taken, literally all women are discriminated upon in the U.S. When they turn 18, men in are required to register for the military draft. Women are NOT allowed to even register. This is just one example of government-sponsored sexism. There are many other examples. You are denying that women are just as capable as men and their autonomy as human beings. Additionally, women are being shot in the streets in the U.S. As a 2010 Washington Post Report points out, women are being murdered in this country at an alarming rate. In Iran, a woman in the military is more likely to be raped by a U.S. Soldier than be killed on the front lines. We need feminism to stop these harms In Observation Two I note that my opponent's arguments are flawed The first argument the pro side makes is that we have skinny girls, not "fat women", on magazine covers because that is what men are attracted to. First; that is just an excuse to cover up that he/she is being sexist in their opening speech. Second; he is assuming feminism is lobbying for heavier ladies to be on magazine covers. The real question they are asking is why should their be any magazine promoting PORNOGRAPHY. Next he/she says that feminists say "all men are pigs who treat women like crap and beat them." First; domestic violence is on the rise, according to the Crime Statistics Agency (http://www.theguardian.com...) Second; he has not provided solid proof that ANY feminist has ever said that. This is pretty obviously a conclusion that he has jumped to (a wrong one at that). What My Opponent Fails To Point Out Is That Feminism Actually Helps the World Advantage One: Feminism Boosts the Economy According to the Economist, the empowerment of career women is one of the most defining changes in the industrialized world: "Goldman Sachs calculates that, leaving all other things equal, increasing women's participation in the labor market to male levels will boost GDP by 21% in Italy, 19% in Spain, 16% in Japan, 9% in America, France and Germany and 8% in Britain." Advantage Two: Feminism Actually HELPS MEN as well as women First; Feminism has actually overturned laws that are discriminatory against men. In 1976, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional to treat women and men differently under the law. The case, Craig v. Boren, was filled by a plaintiff in Oklahoma over its gender-specific drinking age policy, which prohibited men from drinking before age 21, but allowed women to drink when as young as 18. This implied that men are inherently more reckless and women are more responsible. After the law was struck down, the drinking age became 21 for all. Second; it changed the definition of rape to include men. Did you know that until recently, the FBI's definition of rape was as old-fashioned as the horse and buggy? That is, until feminist activists decided to change that. Thanks to the "Rape Is Rape" campaign launched by the Feminist Majority Foundation and Ms. magazine, more than 160,000 emails were sent to the FBI pressuring it to change its archaic definition of rape. The old definition, "carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will," hadn't been changed since 1921. It meant that many types of sexual assaults, including the rape of men, weren't counted as part of the bureau's annual Uniform Crime Report. When the decision was announced, then-VP and General Counsel of the Feminist Majority Foundation Kim Gandy said, "This is a major policy change and will dramatically impact the way rape is tracked and reported nationwide." The new definition now includes all forms of penetration and no longer excludes men. Third; Feminism allows men to spend more time with their children. That women can bring home a pretty big chunk of change through paid work means men can work less and spend more time with their kids, something that's good for both children and their fathers. The time fathers spend with their children is not only rewarding, it's also more purposeful, and contributes to happiness more than time spent working. Thanks to feminist activism, paternity leave exists, and more men are taking advantage of it. The effects on children are immeasurable. Children who spend more time with their fathers are more likely to succeed academically and less likely to abuse drugs and be delinquent. In fact, research shows that children whose fathers can do more than 40% of chores inside the home are more likely to excel in school. Clearly, when men have the ability to spend more time at home, everyone wins. In conclusion, women are still being discriminated upon and the only way to end it is through feminism.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism-is-bad/1/
  • CON

    However, pro would be arguing about some of the people...

    Feminism Should not be Encouraged

    I would like to add that all I have to do to win, is state a situation where feminism should be encouraged. And, for Pro to win, he has to fulfill the Burden of Proof, to do this, he has to prove that feminism should not be encouraged in all circumstances. "You begin by giving the definiotion of feminism. To which I would argue, judge a movement based on its actions rather than its definition." The resolution: "Feminism Should not be Encouraged". I argue that my defintion is completely relevant, for the resolution is "Feminism", not the Feminist Movement. Therefore, I believe, "judge a movement based on its actions rather than its defintion", is invalid. If the resolution was "The consumption of steaks should not be encouraged", I would argue about the benefits of having steak were. However, pro would be arguing about some of the people who eat steaks. And per debate rules, if a key part was left undefined ("feminism"), the opponent can define it in the next round (as I did, "Feminism": "The advocacy of women"s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes." [http://www.oxforddictionaries.com......]) "I have presented a valid list of inequalities that men are faced with. The fact that a gender equalizing campaign ignores such exmples of sexism, serves as evidence that it is a hypocritical movement. Thus, it shouldn't be encouraged. The very title "Feminism" right off the bat, establishes it as a women's first campaign and,through every one of its actions, this is proven to be the case." For the rest of pro's arguments he clearly states that there is sexism for both genders, that does not prove that feminism should not be encouraged. Definition of: Sexism: "Prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex" [http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...] Definition of: Feminism: "The advocacy of women"s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes." [http://www.oxforddictionaries.com......] Pro bases his arguments around the fact that feminism only care for women's rights... However, the defintion of feminism is "The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes." This means that feminism could also be decreasing women's rights to make equality between the sexes. Pro constructs his argument like so: Women's rights> Men's rights. Therefore, feminism should not be encouraged (Pro thinks, feminism is to be encouraged only when women's rights are<men's rights). However, this proves that feminism should be encouraged. Therefore, Pro comitted a Red Herring Fallacy: "A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form: Topic A is under discussion. Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A). Topic A is abandoned." [http://www.nizkor.org...] I will insert this debate into the 'Red Herring Fallacy detector'! Topic A is under discussion. "Feminism Should not be Encouraged" Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A). Men experience more sexism, therefore, feminism should not be encouraged. Topic A is abandoned. "Feminism Should not be Encouraged". Additional Case: 3rd World Countries. Examples of how men's rights exceed women's, therefore, feminism should be encouraged. Forbidden from driving. "In Saudi Arabia, women aren’t allowed to drive, or even ride bikes, and men aren’t allowed to drive women they’re not closely related to." Right to divorce. "In many countries, while husbands can divorce their spouses easily (often instantaneously through oral repudiation), wives’ access to divorce is often extremely limited, and they frequently confront near insurmountable legal and financial obstacles." Right to education. "In many areas of Afghanistan, girls are often taken out of school when they hit puberty." Right to travel. "Husbands in Egypt and Bahrain can file an official complaint at the airport to forbid their wives from leaving the country for any reason." Domestic violence. "Women’s unequal legal rights increase their vulnerability to violence. In many countries in the region, no specific laws or provisions exist to penalize domestic violence, even though domestic violence is a widespread problem." Custody rights. "In Bahrain, where family law is not codified, judges have complete power to deny women custody of their children for the most arbitrary reasons. Bahraini women who have been courageous enough to expose and challenge these violations in 2003 were sued for slander by eleven family court judges." Citizenship. "Most countries in the region-with the exception of Iran, Tunisia, Israel, and to a limited extent Egypt-have permitted only fathers to pass citizenship on to their children. Women married to non-nationals are denied this fundamental right." Sexual subjugation. "Many countries criminalize adult, consensual sex outside of marriage. In Morocco, women are much more likely to be charged with having violated penal code prohibitions on sexual relations outside of marriage than men. Unmarried pregnant women are particularly at risk of prosecution. The Moroccan penal code also considers the rape of a virgin as an aggravating circumstance of assault. The message is clear: the degree of punishment of the perpetrator is determined by the sexual experience of the victim." Female infanticide. "China’s one child policy has heightened the disdain for female infants; abortion, neglect, abandonment, and infanticide have been known to occur to female infants. The result of such family planning has been the disparate ratio of 114 males for every 100 females among babies from birth through children four years of age. Normally, 105 males are naturally born for every 100 females. Similarly, the number of girls born and surviving in India is significantly less compared with the number of boys, due to the disproportionate numbers of female fetuses being aborted and baby girls deliberately neglected and left to die. The normal ratio of births should be 950 girls for every 1000 boys, however in some regions the number is as low as 300." Sources for this case: [http://listverse.com...] If Pro argues that this is a religious matter, it does not mean that feminism should not be encouraged. Why I won the debate: 1. All I have to do to win, is give an example of why feminism should be encouraged. Pro said: "I will now give a quote from your agrument "It will teach kids that descrimination is wrong" To which I would respond by agreeing with your first stament." Pro agrees with one of my cases of why feminism should be encouraged, therefore, making his BoP impossible to fulfill, for he has to prove that feminism should not be encouraged in all situations. 2. Pro cannot fulfill his BoP. 3. I refuted his arguments, by proving that they were unrelated, and does not prove that feminism should not be encouraged. 4. Pro's case does not consider women's rights in 3rd world countries. 5. Redherring Fallacy was pointed out. So all in all, I have already one the debate, for Pro cannot fulfill the BoP. Thanks for the debate.

  • CON

    I would speculate that my opponent is engaging the...

    Feminism Is Cancer

    "All the single ladies, All the single ladies!" Lets face it; it's a catchy tune. Don't like it..? Fine! The Lawrence Welk show reruns on PBS all the time, lamer! Regarding my opponents rhetoric above: It bears mentioning that I took this debate to repudiate a rotten advocacy. After reading through the Aff's "case" it is abundantly clear that they are conflating their own negative perceptions and/or experience with the term, "feminism." More to the point, all his remarks are purely speculative. The Aff doesn't so much as provide reasons for believing the narrative he offered is true, much less provide any evidence to support the sweeping and fallacious generalizations he makes. More specifically, the Aff is not resolutional, and puts his foot directly in the pile I cautioned about in my acceptance. I offered the definition of feminism: Feminism: ideology or social movement to define, establish and achieve equal political, economic, personal and social rights for women. **Note; conflating this definition of feminism with something more extreme should be viewed as fallacious and extra-topical. Aff conflates his own supposed experience with some self-identified feminists into a general rule that is extra topical and fallacious, a hasty generalization fallacy to be more specific. (Hurley's Logic) There is nothing inherent within feminism as defined here to advocate against a woman's right to be a wife, mother, chef, lawyer, champion bowler, expert fish angler or anything else. It doesn't inherently suppress female sexuality. What nutcase would want that!?!? All that feminism as we have defined it speaks to is equality. Any implication my opponent tries to make beyond that is superfluous dribble. Maybe he read it in Maxim magazine? Who knows. I would speculate that my opponent is engaging the availability heuristic to reach some of these ideas, but that is really neither here nor there. The point is it's all fallacious, and he isn't even consistent in that. The Aff goes as far to remark that he does not advocate for the inequality of women. That's terrific! It also means he is not upholding his burden based on the definition of feminism provided. If he wants to shift on himself and support my angle, well hell yeah, okay. "This is Wall Street Dr Burry, if you offer us free money we are going to take it." Just don't vote Aff when Aff is clearly supporting negative advocacy. Let's take a minute and address his claim that feminist support for the LGBT community is contradictory. It is not. the point of feminism is the pursuit of equality. Some or many feminists recognize the LGBT community as marginalized, and support equality for that marginalize community. Feminist support of the LGBT community makes the feminism cause and definition provided more consistent. Don't make me go PC principle bruh! I also want to respond to my opponent's stated super fav, bestie, "journalist" Milo Yiannopoulos. This guy works for Breitbart.com, and that's all you need to know. Getting news from Breitbart is like getting surgery from a drunk in a port-a-potty; not exactly recommended. So we've answered the "aff analysis" and I have about 4,900 characters left. I would like to use them to take about a few celebrities I don't like, and why. Tom Cruise: He kept Katie Holmes locked in his basement for how long..?! How this monster is still roaming free is beyond me. Wait, it must be the damned Church of Scientology. David Miscavige: If Tom Cruise is bad, David Miscavige is the devil incarnate. The guy beats his colleagues in meeting, sent his own wife off to die in a cult prison and thinks that the ghosts of aliens make people park in two spots. Sean Hannity: Witless garbage peddling turd. Also, his favorite food is the speech center of a dolphin's brain. That kind of evil can't be seen at a Slayer concert. Miley Cyrus: She's not country. I don't care! Yes the Jolene cover was great, but it would be stupid to call her country for that one song and her insipid show from a decade ago. If I put on a Fez and speak with a British accent it doesn't make me Dr Who. Dinesh D'Souza: Narcissism pretending to be informed. He must have taught Hannity's classes at Oral Roberts University. Grumpy Cat: How can you be that pissed when you've never worked a day in your life? His mood is clearly faked for PR. There's many more.