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  • PRO

    Con will argue against this idea. ... Rules for this...

    Modern Feminism (Third-Wave Feminism) Destroys Men and Their Families

    I (pro) will be arguing that modern feminism destroys men and their families and doing so creates negative family relationships and an unnecessary strain on our economy. Con will argue against this idea. If con accepts the debate, he/she must not forfeit or will automatically lose the debate. The definition of modern (or 3rd wave) feminism taken from Wikipedia ... https://en.wikipedia.org... Third-wave feminism refers to several diverse strains of feminist activity and study, whose exact boundaries in the history of feminism are a subject of debate, but are generally marked as beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to the present. It is referred to as an "individual movement", because part of the purpose is to redefine what it is to be a feminist. Pro and con will use this definition of modern feminism and third-wave feminism for their arguments. Rules for this debate are as follows ...

  • PRO

    Rebuttal: I concede my opponent"s arguments My case: I do...

    Is feminism needed in today's society

    Definitions: Feminism- the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes (1) Observation: In this context, my opponent implies should, not the strict sense of the word "need". Rebuttal: I concede my opponent"s arguments My case: I do concede my opponent"s arguments, but only because they do not matter in this debate. Feminism is needed for maintaining this equality. Without having this equality, atrocities become more probable. Feminism helps us maintain the status quo I conceded. Without people having this feminism ideology, equality decreases. Essentially, people who think there needs to be no equality, start to be more lenient, if not just advocating for inequality. Thus, vote for keeping the feminism ideology if you want to maintain the theory that we should treat men and women equally. Thanks. (1) https://www.merriam-webster.com...

  • PRO

    Feminism is very harmful to society because they hate...

    Feminism is harmful to society

    Hi thanks for challenging me to a debate. Anyway I want to argue that i disagree with most of feminism ideologies. Feminism is very harmful to society because they hate men. Men do not benefit from feminism.

  • PRO

    According to other sources, modern feminism is a movement...

    Modern Feminism (Third-Wave Feminism) Destroys Men and Their Families

    I'd like to start off by thanking my opponent for accepting this debate. Good luck to you, sir. My opening argument is simple. I will pose a few questions about modern feminism. What is modern feminism? How does it effect us and does it effect us in a negative way? Does modern feminism effect men and their families in a negative way? I'll start by answering the question, what is modern feminism? According to Wikipedia, it is an individual movement that is continuously up for debate. It started in the early 1990's and therefore is considered "modern." According to other sources, modern feminism is a movement by mostly powerful women who want to put to rest the notion that women are not just, or should not be, confined to Motherhood and being subservient to their husbands and children. Modern feminism can be traced back to the 1960's when feminism got a "kick in the pants" and started moving forward quickly. http://www.ushistory.org... Modern feminism is described in many instances that women are not only equal to men, but are stronger in many ways and can do much more than men. Their goals are not to be equal members of society, but to make men a lesser sex, or make themselves more powerful than men. https://www.britannica.com... How does modern feminism effect us and does it effect us in a negative way? I will propose that it indeed does effect us in a negative way, not just men, but also women and their families. When one sex starts believing they're better than the opposite sex, there's a problem. I believe both sexes are equal in some things, while both sexes are stronger in some other things. Women are stronger emotionally and in multi-tasking, which allows them to do things closer to family than the majority of men. Men are stronger in the workforce and leadership. Don't get me wrong, there are some exception to these rules, but for the most part, these rules apply. When one sex tries to change the other into something they are not (goes against the natural order of nature), everything is destroyed, including the natural family. Men are generally natural leaders and women are generally better in keeping the family together and working properly, thus staying home and raising children in a less stressful environment. Studies have shown this to be quite true and shows that both sexes, when straying from the natural order, can cause trauma within the family and in many cases, caos. Basically, there are definitely differences between the sexes and trying to change that can have negative consequences. https://www.psychologytoday.com... Feminism began in its early stages in the mid-1800's, but feminism continuously changed and still changes today. With the first wave and second wave feminists really taking a hold in the 1960's. Feminism started off as a means to end women's lesser roles in the political spectrum; not being allowed to vote, etc. I DO NOT have any problem with feminism when referring to the past goals of these groups. The argument I am presenting is, does modern or third-wave feminism negatively effect men and their families? In the following rounds,I will argue that modern feminism does indeed destroy men and their families and are not healthy to society overall. Modern feminism is like a cancer to society. A healthy family cannot practice and live in modern feminist households. I will prove this in the following rounds.

  • PRO

    I am looking to debate someone that supports modern...

    Feminism is irrelevant in today's society

    I am looking to debate someone that supports modern feminism, is familiar with their stances and believes that feminism is still needed in today's society. I'm taking the position that feminism is irrelevant and no longer needed. First round is for accepting and I'll let you make the first argument. Let's keep it civil and thanks in advance!

  • PRO

    Feminism's definition doesn't change, because some people...

    Is feminism needed in today's society

    1) My opponent confuses the essence of feminism with other people's interpretation. This is why I mentioned the definition of feminism. Feminism's definition doesn't change, because some people decide to confuse feminism with fighting against men. Therefore, disregard my opponent's claim about feminazis. 2) My opponent says by my logic we would also need meninism. If meninism stands for the equality of both sexes, then yes. Both mindsets of equality needs to be prevalent among people. These two do not cancel each other, they go hand and hand. In fact, they are required for each other. Even though i'm sure meninism is a parody, theoretically if it stood for equality, then it's good. Remember, feminism says "equality of the sexes". 3) "feminism was a rally for maintaining equality for both sexes", my opponent is ignoring the definition. Feminism isn't necessarily a push for equality as in change, but it solely entails maintaining this equality of both sexes.

  • PRO

    They claim to get paid less, but this is not the case,...

    Feminism is not equality

    Thanks for accepting. Feminism is full of angry women who hate men, some want them all killed. They claim to get paid less, but this is not the case, the pay gap you see is average payment, this means women generally work less than men, men do the most dangerous jobs in the world, war, taxi driving potential killers, boxing, police work, bouncer, labour, etc. Feminism complains about men being rapists, but there are women rapists too. Feminists don't even realise 100-140,000 men are raped in prison https://www.hrw.org... http://womenagainstfeminism.com... https://ec.europa.eu...

  • PRO

    Moreover, the social structures in which we live are...

    Feminism! Hooray!

    Thanks for the debate Mister Man, it has been a pleasure. To finish up, I'm just going to write a short closing remark rather than readdress the issues we've been going back and forth over. ---- As I hope I have shown, feminism since its first 'wave' in the late 19th Century through to today is a vibrant and relevant movement. It is not, as my opponent believes, now unnecessary and nor does it constitute a demand to gain more rights than that which currently exists for men. It is a movement that strives for equality and to retain existing gains hard won over the last century. While society has granted women equal rights under the law, it is clear that this does not always manifest itself in social, cultural and industrial spaces. The pay gap remains despite legislation, and claims that the existence of the pay gap can be explained by individual women's choices rings hollow. Women are regularly paid less than their male colleagues for the precise same work and hours. Moreover, the social structures in which we live are gendered. The routes open to women, deemed to be feminine and appropriate for women, are also socially constructed. Feminism, as a movement, is at the front-line in highlighting culturally damaging gendered stereotypes that affect both men and women. The feminist movement also highlight other issues such as the objectification of women and the negative influence of that on the lives of women not only in the United States of America, but world wide. The feminist movement is also on the front lines in combatting forms of violence that predominantly effect women and, as a side effect, cause considerable financial damage to the state as it attempts to pick up the pieces. My opponent quite correctly notes that much headway has been made in these arenas. However, this is not, as he believes, a sign that we, as a society, should drop feminism or that we should move ahead into a post-feminist world: First, the work is yet to be completed as I believe I have demonstrated with ample evidence over the course of this debate. Second, just because progress has been made does not mean that it is time to take our collective feet from the metaphorical gas peddle. If we drop feminism this opens up a window of opportunity for the forces of reaction. Already, as again I have demonstrated, various groups and individuals have striven and continue to strive to set us back as a society when it comes to gender issues - be it in the name of religion or cultural conservatism. A healthy feminist movement identifies and combats these malignant social forces. Third, my opponent argues that feminism is problematic because it ignores issues which affect men. I disagree. While women's issues are indeed at the heart of the feminist cause, it is not the case that feminists do not champion wider causes for general equality. feminists were centre stage in the Civil Rights movement; they were centre stage in the peace campaigns of the 20th Century (I've just been reading a fascinating book called 'Pioneers for Peace' about the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom); and have campaigned more generally on issues of sexual, racial, and social equality, and they continue to do so today. Ultimately, I believe in the continued need for feminism because what Shirley Chisholm, the first African American woman to be elected as a member of the US House of Representatives, believed back in the 1970s was true then and remains true today: "The emotional, sexual, and psychological stereotyping of females begins when the doctor says, 'It's a girl.'" - Shirley Chisholm [1] [1] Walter B. Hoard, Anthology: Quotations and Sayings of People of Color (1973), p. 36. Feminism is just one branch of a wider desire for progressive social change, necessary to bring about an equable society.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism-Hooray/1/
  • PRO

    Even if she is lying there will be no repercussions for...

    Feminism is wrong

    Feminism started as a noble cause. I admit that it was good for the world that women fought for basic freedoms. Sadly that has changed. Feminism is a ideology that puts women in a constant state of victimhood. There is no such thing as the gender wage gap. It is a myth, check the bureau of labor statistics. Woman attack men with sexist slogans such as "teach men not to rape" and #killallmen. Feminism is not about equality it is about female supremacy. Men should be able to feel safe around women without having to fear a rape charge against them. If a woman claims to be raped she can ruin the man's life. Even if she is lying there will be no repercussions for her but that man's life will still be in shambles, tell me how's that fair? I'm sure that you will claim that "those" feminist don't represent the majority but then why are they your leaders? why are the man-hating feminist the ones that are on TV? I'll tell you why because they are your leaders you want them to act like that and secretly you like the idea of female supremacy. I feel sorry for you that you are so angry at your position in life that you have to believe somebody forced you there instead of you making those life decisions.

  • PRO

    My reason that I dislike feminism is because it is taken...

    Feminism is wrong

    This is my first debate to so I'm happy that we start on a equal level. I appreciate the fact that you are not a feminist. My reason that I dislike feminism is because it is taken so seriously. For a movement that is filled with so much hate you think it would be ignored. But sadly it is not they had a meeting at the UN! The purpose of that meeting was to put censorship against people who disagree with them. They were cheered for offering this to the UN committee. I don't hate women. I'm just a guy that is afraid of what feminism is trying to do to the world. So in order to keep this debate on feminism lets argue as if I am a female hating male dominating piece of garbage okay? lets begin. Woman don't deserve equal rights they are physically and mentally weaker than man. Women throughout history have always been subservient to men why should that change? God made Eve from Adam that shows that man owns women even from the beginning of time. Women are cold and manipulative they would exploit these laws for equality for their advantage. If woman want equality they have to earn it not get it handed to them on a silver platter. (I do apologize if I appeared rude in the previous arguments)

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    My opponent claims men also suffer discrimination I fail...

    Western feminism has failed

    My opponent claims men also suffer discrimination I fail to see how this is relevant as we are talking about feminism not masculism they are two separate issues. Feminism is about equality for women to their counterpart sex; lowering one group does not raise another. It Is obvious as we can see with my arguments that Western feminism has certainly not failed in any sense but rather to a large extent succeeded in creating equality for women. If It wasn't for feminism and the waves of feminism throughout history who knows where women would be at today.

  • CON

    First off I"d like to say thank you for accepting my...

    Is feminism necessary.

    First off I"d like to say thank you for accepting my debate challenge, much thanks. To start off with my argument you put the definition of feminism as "The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes". Now let me show you the definition of another group of people looking for equality. "A political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs." now guess what this is defining. Thats right Communism. Its sounds good on paper but that's not what they do. They oppress and murder anyone who doesn"t agree with them. The same thing is happening with Feminism. In the 19th and early 20th century feminism focused on It focused on legal issues, primarily on gaining women's suffrage. Second wave feminism in the early 1960s focused on sexuality, family, the workplace, reproductive rights, de facto inequalities, and official legal inequalities. Third and fourth wave focused on stereotypes and media portrayals of women. Fast forward to 2015 we have all those things(we might be still working on the fourth wave but that's almost over). Women have equal rights and actualy I say they have more than men. Women are more privileged than man so the fact that modern day Feminism still exist comes off as a joke because it is. Here are links to why women are more privileged: 1:https://mensresistance.wordpress.com... 2:https://www.reddit.com... 3:http://amptoons.com... For round 2-4 well debate and for round 5 we'll say our closing statements and why we think we were right just so you know

  • CON

    Feminism basically looks to give women more rights. ......

    Feminism is for equality

    Feminism basically looks to give women more rights. At first it was raising the bar just for bringing women par with men, but nowadays feminists are trying to give women more rights than they should get and making them legally superior to men, such as extra property rights and alimony. This goes against the gender equality movement, and I hope they realize that. Just look at the word "feminism". Does it seem to stand for equality? No it doesn't.

  • CON

    As captain of the debate team, it seems rather unlikely...

    Feminism is necessary

    Thanks again, Pro, for your response and thanks for creating this debate. It's definitely been interesting. Having said that, I did have a few concerns regarding your last argument. Let me explain: Dropped Argument Last round I very directly said that my opponent's definition of "requisite" should be disregarded. I said this because she was using the definition of a noun, and the word "necessary" is used as an adjective in the debate resolution "Feminism is necessary". Because of this, I said, Pro's definition/argument should be disregarded. So, with that in mind, what was my opponent's response???? NOTHING. She didn't even ATTEMPT to discredit my argument. By being silent, I can only presume she did so because she was not able to refute my argument. As captain of the debate team, it seems rather unlikely that she just forgot to respond. After all, with only 2,000 characters per round, it's not a very long debate. I encourage the voters to see her drop for what it is, an admission of guilt. What We're Debating Again, my opponent seems to be trying to change the debate as we go along. She brings up many reasons why we should like feminism, but when reading them, ask yourself "Is this what they were supposed to be debating?" I would argue the answer is no. For example... Do we have to have a "fully functional, fair society"? No. Do we have to "live cohesively"? No. Do people have to have "a sense of self-worth and identity"? No. Certainly all those things are nice, but we don't have to have them, therefore, feminism is NOT necessary. Straw Man Argument My opponent has engaged in another logical fallacy. This one is known as a straw man argument. This is done when someone misrepresents her opponent's arguments. [5] I never said that the age of something determined it's worth. What I said was that we can tell something is NOT necessary if we can live without it. Even if that something is helpful, if we can go on without it, it's NOT necessary. That's exactly what we see with feminism. Feminism may or not be beneficial, but that's NOT what we're debating. We're debating if it's necessary, and since we could (and have) lived life without it... It's not necessary. No Semantics Here I used generally accepted definitions from a reliable dictionary. Conclusion I think the choice is clear. I showed that feminism is NOT necessary. After I did that, Pro tried to change what we were debating in order to salvage her chances of winning. I ask the voters to recognize her attempt, and to vote for Con accordingly. Sources: 5. http://www.nizkor.org...

  • CON

    G'devening from Tacoma, WA. I am against the statement...

    Gaming and Feminism

    G'devening from Tacoma, WA. I am against the statement that gaming is that of a sexist culture and is not an issue that the belongs in the focus of modern feminism. Definitions: Feminism: The belief that women are subjugated, excluded, or mistreated by society or a specific culture. Video Games/Gaming Culture: The content featured through video games, (as in characters, settings, situations, or interactions), and their impressions on the player. Sexism: The conscious act of dividing and segregating based on gender, usually to the effect of one party's detriment.

  • CON

    Therefore, if I can find even one example of modern...

    Modern Feminism is dead

    Before I start my speech, let me just say a definition that will hold a major part in this debate - dead. See, the Merriam-Webster Dictionary says that dead means "no longer having interest, relevance, or significance". This basically means that the resolution is saying that modern feminism doesn't have an impact on our world anymore. Therefore, if I can find even one example of modern feminism being "alive" (impacting the world in some way), I win this debate. Also, keep in mind that this does not mean that feminism has to be doing good. Even if feminism is bad for us, it is still considered "alive". So now I am going to refute what my opponent has said in their speech. In my opponent's speech, they talk about the negative effects of feminism on society, pointing out the hateful posts, the stupid trends, etc. However, this only proves my point. Feminism is "alive", feminists are doing things (whether or not they are good) that have an impact on the world, meaning that feminism is not dead. I would actually like to point out one specific thing my opponent said - "modern feminism is stupid and shouldn't exist". Even my opponent says that modern feminism exists and is having an impact on the world, as he is saying that it shouldn't exist (implying that it does now). So, I am not going to make a case for this debate. Pro has burden of proof, meaning all I have to do is properly refute what my opponent has said to win. I thank my opponent for their case. Good luck!

  • CON

    While misogyny has caused not only the mistreatment of...

    Feminism is cancer of contemporary society

    Well, first of all You have to understand, that feminism, misandry and matriarchy are three very different things. Matriarchy is identical to patriarchy, with the exception that the roles are reversed and the woman is the authority figure, feminism does NOT support that. Misandry is the expression of hatred towards the male gender, feminism does NOT support that, either. Feminism strikes to correct some very obvious and toxic treatments and social beliefs towards women until they are equal to men. It is very simple. The reason why this movement was named 'feminism' is that women are considered to be mistreated more in comparison to men. It is much like racism towards black people. Misandry does exist, but it does not hurt men socially or politically. While misogyny has caused not only the mistreatment of women but also the lives of women. Admittedly, there are people who call themselves 'feminists' in order to excuse their sexist actions, but this percentage is very minor and the whole movement should not be brought down because of the mistakes of minor. Feminism is needed for plenty of reasons. It is a problem that in rape, the woman gets hate for being too 'provoking' or wearing inappropriate clothes. No is no! Women don't say no and they mean yes, they say no because that's their answer. Feminism also benefits men. Society treats men like they are animals, it's their 'hormones' they say, 'they can't help but think of sex' or the most irritating phrase 'boys will be boys". This actually underestimates men's intelligence. Such words allude that men only seek sex and are willing to commit rape for it. Such words allude that men are not capable of handling and restraining themselves. Feminism also seeks to bring down all those patriarchal opinions that men should constantly prove their masculinity and never shed a tear. Feminism is a movement that strikes for equality.

  • CON

    NOTE: Pro, please leave your section for round 4 as I...

    Feminism

    NOTE: I would like for my opponent, Pro, to give textual evidence as to why feminism is a logical and correct argument, Setup: Round 1: Con's Setup Pro's Acceptance + Beginning Arguments Round 2: Con's Beginning Arguments Pro's Rebuttal Round 3: Con's Rebuttal Pro's Final Words Round 4: Con's Final Words Pro says, "This debate is over."' NOTE: Pro, please leave your section for round 4 as I just stated it, "This debate is over.", nothing more.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Feminism/3/
  • CON

    To demonstrate what someone would actually do, if they...

    Feminism: Positive or Negative

    I am not going by the traditional definition of feminism. Because if I did, I would classify as a feminist. If feminists actually lived up to the dictionary definition of feminism, then people would not have such a problem with them. I am going by the so called "tumblr feminists" or radical feminists. Feminism is supposed to mean equality for women " that"s the same social, economical, political, workplace and home life benefits as men. It"s supposed to mean that women get treated the same as a gender that, since history began, has had the upper hand. There"s no denying we as a society are almost there " yes, there"s still more men in senior positions at the biggest companies in the world, and yes there"s more stay-at-home women than men, but women are entitled to everything men are, give or take a few things. But the new definition of feminism promotes a hatred of men, just because their men. It may come as a surprise to some people that I call myself "Masculistfeminist" whilst I have systematically criticized the feminist movement and advocated for men"s rights. Why have I done that? To demonstrate what someone would actually do, if they saw the state of the feminist movement at the moment and actually lived up to the dictionary definition of the word feminism that so-called "feminists" hide behind. If feminists were authentic and transparent individuals, then they would be criticizing their own movement and actively attempting to change it. Bigots and hypocrites are using the word feminism to disguise their actions under a banner of equality and are using this banner as a shield to not only deflect any criticism of their actions, but to also ostracize critics and falsely label them as misogynists. So I thought I would claim the word feminism back from these gender ideologues and return it to society. They are using feminism to disguise their double standards. They are also disgracefully using this tarnished banner of equality as a weapon to silence critics. Polls in the US reflect that only 23% of women classify themselves as feminists and you have to really wonder why. If feminism was really about women"s rights based on the principle of equality between the sexes, then why are not all women feminists? I assume women care about their rights. There are many reasons for why women don"t identify with feminism, but they all seem to have a common theme. Feminism does not represent women. Why? There are so many reasons that I could probably write a hundred hubs on that question alone. However to summarize, most women don"t hate men. Therefore most women find it relatively difficult to blindly follow feminist dogma, patriarchy theory, rape culture, the threat narrative of male oppression and the encouragement that goes along with it to develop a mindset that men are the enemy. Secondly most women don"t like to think of themselves as powerless and helpless victims. Most women are aware that their gender has always had power in society and that this was merely a less overt form of power in comparison to that of men. Most women like to think of themselves as possessing self-determination and prefer to not regard themselves as mindless puppets or victims of the patriarchy or men. Perhaps the number one gripe women have with feminism that I have come across, is that feminism actually tells women what to do with their own lives and judges them on it. Feminism pressures women to conform to some ideal image of what a woman should be and if women don"t conform to that role or behave in the manner feminists approve of, then they are letting the sisterhood down. No wonder women are resentful of the feminist movement. These women are judging other women. Then again I am a man, what would I know? As feminists will say, I should check my male privilege!

  • CON

    If that is true which I'm not denying, meninism is also...

    Is feminism needed in today's society

    While yes, feminism is a battle for equality of the sexes, nowadays it's all about female supremacy. It's been hijacked by radical "feminazis" who are still pushing for women's rights today which is pointless as it is as equal as we're going to get. That being said, my opponent states that feminism is needed to main the status quo. If that is true which I'm not denying, meninism is also required to maintain the same standards ultimately cancelling the two out. Why have feminism, a push for equality, when we're already equal. If feminism was a rally for maintaining equality for both sexes, then it would be necessary but in modern days, it's very unnecessary.