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  • PRO

    What the fucc did you just fuccing say about me, You...

    This Third Wave of Feminism is Unnecessary

    What the fucc did you just fuccing say about me, You little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, And I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, And I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fucc out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, Mark my fuccing words. You think you can get away with saying that chit to me over the Internet? Think again, Fuccer. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, Maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fuccing dead, Kid. I can be anywhere, Anytime, And I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, And that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, But I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable azz off the face of the continent, You little chit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, Maybe you would have held your fuccing tongue. But you couldn't, You didn't, And now you're paying the price, You goddamn idiot. I will chit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fuccing dead, Kiddo.

  • PRO

    If you are wondering what that is, it is when women who...

    Third Wave Feminism

    their main argument is the pay gap, which is that in America, women are paid 75c for every $1 a man is paid. some reasons that they believe this is the motherhood conspiracy. If you are wondering what that is, it is when women who are mothers are believed to have more commitment than men or single women, so they face higher expectations and less chance of a promotion. a different argument is that sexism still exists and employers might accidentally undervalue women, and overvalue men. on the topic of rape, I don't think that most people understand that a woman can rape a man, so they tend to overlook that, which is probably the reason 3rd waves think that.

  • PRO

    GOOGLE DEFINITON: 1.the unjust or prejudicial treatment...

    Feminism and Catholicism: The Church is not Misogynistic, in fact the polar opposite

    So let's start with your given definition of "misogyny" Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. Catholicism does not hate women or girls. You make a fallacy here in your next statement, " if Con can offer evidence that the Catholic Church discriminates against women" Discrimination was not the definition, but merely one of many possible manifestations of misogyny. You can be hostile to something and not hate it. Not every soldier hates the enemies they fight and kill, but they are certainly hostile to them. Furthermore, the church is not hostile toward women. The church does not preach violence against women in any of it's doctrines, and it is CERTAINLY against the sexual objectification of women. The sexual objectification of women happens a lot in the secular world though, through one of the largest and most profitable businesses in our world today: Pornography. Which is outright condemned by the Church BECAUSE it objectifies, belittles, and hurts women. Now let's move onto the word "discrimination". GOOGLE DEFINITON: 1.the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex: "victims of racial discrimination" " [more] synonyms: prejudice " bias " bigotry " intolerance " [more] 2.recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another: "discrimination between right and wrong" " [more] So, I am assuming your are going to use the first definition. There is that word "unjust" in there. Well, equality is not always justice. Treating things that are UNEQUAL as EQUAL is as unjust as treating EQUAL things UNEQUALLY. The role of women in the Church is not equal to men, nor is men's to women. They are just different. A mother and father have unequal roles in conceiving, carrying, caring for, and raising a child. Is one role less important? No, they are simply different. Would you want to treat a fresh out of medical school surgeon the same as a seasoned veteran and specialist for a life or death decision? I should hope not, because they are not equals and that is not injustice. Are there instances of discrimination that are in fact injustice? Yes, see the above explanation. Treating equal things unequally. "Witch burnings..." Yes that is a tricky and sticky subject for both of us and it would escape the scope of the argument. Soldiers in Vietnam were ordered by their superiors to commit the Mai Lai Massacre, and that instance alone can illustrate the complexity of "what an organization says" vs "what it practices" and all the gray areas in between. So for the sake of brevity we both agree to move on. COUNTER TO DOCTRINE You are obviously not well learned in scripture and Catholic teaching. Yes, Genesis tells us that woman was made from man's SIDE. For your spouse is to walk next to you and beside you as an equal, not behind you or in front of you. Eve was not made from his FOOT or his nether regions or his head. Furthermore, God punishes man just as well as women by forcing him to labor and toil and die. Men also have submission, and if you stop taking verses out of context you would see that. Your quotes of Paul are referring to women's roles as Bishops. This gets into a discussion about Apostolic Succession and Authority and Tradition which Christ gave to his Church. All of the Bishops were men, and their teaching authority and tradition (which in the Catholic Church is on the highest level BESIDE the Bible, also remember we had no Bible for hundreds of years after Christianity was founded) continued that practice. Paul also spends about 95% of his writings in the Bible correcting, yelling at, and scolding MEN. He also calls men to love their wives as Christ loves his Church. In fact, the Church (which would be run by Bishops) is the BRIDE and Christ is the BRIDEGROOM. So in essence, Paul is telling the same if not more to men. CHURCH FATHERS While you cite a number of Church father's relating to sin, YOU ARE MISSING SOMETHING I POSTED IN THE OPENING ARGUMENT The first, and GREATEST CHRISTIAN, was Mary. Mother of Jesus. Let me list some more title she has MOTHER OF GOD QUEEN OF ANGELS CRUSHER OF HERESEY and THE NEW EVE Just as Christ is the new Adam, so is Mary the new Eve. Please read on Mariology, which again is a very complex and intricate subject that delves deeply into the faith and scripture and we should refrain from it here. The Church Fathers were also wild about Mary, and to keep things relevant, especially in the last century there has been a huge surge in Marian Devotions. The Divine Chaplet of Mercy The Writings of St. Faustina JP2 making a new set of mysteries to the Rosary and dozens of Saints, like Padre Pio and Mother Theresa saying things like, "No Mary, No Jesus. Know Mary, Know Christ" In fact, Mary is considered to be ABOVE ALL POPES. She is directly below the God Head of the Trinity, and thus Marian Theology shows us that women are inherently better Christians and People than men are. This is the teaching of the church. So PLEASE keep in mind that you are MISSSING A HUGE literary and rhetorical device when the Church Father's reference "Eve", as you clearly excluded their discussions on "Mary". You really are missing quite a bit of scripture and theology when you quote mine like that. But that is why I am glad we are having this conversation, to clear up popular misconceptions, which you so usefully demonstrate for me. MAJORITY OF WOMEN ARE CATHOLICS Yes, because once again, they are inherently better Christians and People. Furthermore, I personally know a number of women on Church budget committees, pastoral committees, charity committees, evangelization, education, and so on! I have personally seen women make decisions effecting Church life and function. Who founded the institution in Calcutta that transformed so many lives? St. Mother Theresa! I mean I really cannot list enough female saints who founded orders and institutions of all sorts. Citing ONE strange law about the Vatican pales in comparison to the great and transparent contributions women make on a daily basis DESPITE not being able to function as priests. Nuns vs Priests Nuns, like their monk counterparts, have all of their needs taken for and they in fact, on their own free will, enter a life of poverty. Monks and brothers do the exact same thing, and not all priests are given the same salaries. You are TRULY mislead on the differences in monastic orders. Monastic orders are DIFFERENT than priestly orders. Each order operates differently, and generally speaking it is the same for men and women. All of this is done voluntarily I might add. The Catholic Church does not kidnap women and make them be nuns. http://www.religious-vocation.com... POLITICS So, while the world sees being opposed to birth control as oppression, we see it as preserving the natural femininity of females. I cannot really say enough about this, and since this is not about specifically birth control, suffice it to say that the church is opposed to industries the secular world is fine with: Killing Babies (abortion) Stripping men and women of their natural abilities sexually speaking (birth control) Objectifying women (sex trade, pornography, and prostitution) I suggest listening to testimonies by people like Jane Breean or former porn starts who left mainstream/secular feminism to come to the Catholic Church, because they saw how greatly women are protected and honored. CLOSING REMARKS I hardly see how when the Pope says, "women are the most beautiful thing God has made" as misogynistic. HOW IS THAT HATRED? How is saying the greatest Christians were women, discrimination AGAISNT women? You have many misunderstandings of the faith, because you are of the world. But I hope to have you reconsider.

  • PRO

    I don't feel like arguing anymore, I'll tie it, But In my...

    Today's types of Feminism isn't needed

    I don't feel like arguing anymore, I'll tie it, But In my opinion so far you win I am tired and don't have extra time to debate this week so you win congrats.

CON

  • CON

    They average 33 hours a week at jobs, and more than 17...

    On balance, Feminism is not needed in the US anymore.

    My opponent doesn’t understand why I involved other countries. Again, the resolution leaves room for other countries. If he were to say “ not needed *strictly* in the U.S, then I would have argued merely the U.S. Defending my case C. 1 Sex and violence: My opponent claims that sex trafficking involves other countries that we don’t know about. But yet, they are still brining Women here into the U.S. The U.S should be stricter and cautious on whom they let pass our borders. He then claims that my source was outdated, thus meaning it doesn’t matter. In order for my opponent to have accurately rebutted my case, he must have shown that human trafficking no longer exists, which he didn’t prove. In fact, human trafficking does exist. California and Las Vegas are the most popular states in the U.S for human trafficking. [1] The United States is one of the top three destination points for trafficked victims and California, New York, Texas and Nevada are the top destination states within the country. The most recent statistic that has been provided is in 2013. [2] The FBI’s Innocence Lost National Initiative strives to eradicate the commercial sexual exploitation of children in the U.S. The website states that as of June 2013, 2,700 children have been rescued since the initiative began in June 2003. That is an average of 270 children rescued a year through this FBI effort. The Innocence Lost program runs Operation Cross Country’s (OCC) three-day nationwide efforts to rescue minors in prostitution and goes after those who are exploiting them. The OCC website states the 3,600 children have been rescued since 2003 through Innocence Lost efforts. It is not clear why these numbers differ. Though they were rescued, this merely shows that human trafficking is still an issue. My opponent has failed to prove that it’s not an issue. No matter if you’re a male, or female, human trafficking is a violation of one’s rights. C2. First off, my opponent states “Okay, you still have done nothing to dispute the facts that I listed in the last argument. You have not disputed….” For some odd reason, my opponent thinks that I should have rebutted his case in Round 2? That was not the way you had set up the debate format. Round 2 called for each of our own cases, not for me to rebut yours. You stated that Round 3 is for rebuttals, which is what I’m doing now. I feel as though my opponent is doing this because he doesn’t know how to refute my arguments…so he feels the need to write fluff. So, my opponent states: “You have not disputed:” “Males are far more likely to chose dangerous careers” Where is the evidence? “Males are far more likely to work in higher paying jobs” Not true because I successfully argued that men and women who have the same exact job, and same degree, women still earn less, making your accusation false. “Men work longer hours than women” Not true. If it is true, you don’t provide any evidence. A study in 2013 reported that women and men work equal amount of hours. [3] Here in the U.S., men and women work a nearly equal number of hours, about 50 per week. But once again, women take much more of the household burden. They average 33 hours a week at jobs, and more than 17 hours working around the house. So once again, my opponent makes an accusation without evidence. “Men are likely to pursue high-stress and higher paid areas” Once again, my opponent provides no proof for his claim. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Once again, my opponent keeps arguing that I didn’t refute his case in R2, which was not the original format. In round 2, you stated that we were to make a case, which I did. So I don’t understand how you’re saying I should have refuted your arguments. My case on the Wage Gap My opponent states that-- “In order for me to believe this, first of all give statistics on what jobs females apply for. All you have proven is that females apply for jobs with less pay. I have actually proven that Males do apply for more dangerous, and higher paying jobs. You also said 15% of women are in Fortune 500 companies which means that 85% of males make up Fortune 500 companies. That is going to make a significant impact on that 70 cent argument.” Ig you had read my sources provided on the wage gap (which im pretty sure you didn’t because once again you made a false accusation) you would have noticed: ““Women still earn 72 cents for every man a dollar earns. In 2008, women occupied only 15% of board positions of Fortune 500 companies.” This goes for every type of job. It’s not just “dangerous, or high-stress jobs” but for every job. Whether it be an accountant, office worker etc.. My opponent’s case: I merely already refuted everything he has argued in R2 with my case, including my rebuttals. The only thing that I did not refute was: “Now, I shall note how many female Governors there have been. A governor is a huge position of power in the United States of America.” This is merely fluff writing. Sure, when work high jobs, just as men do, but as stated they are still treated unequally, and do not have the same rights as men, such as equality in pay. Sources; [1] http://www.weaveinc.org... [2] http://www.americanthinker.com... [3]http://kfor.com...

  • CON

    I'm sorry but I'm going to forfeit the rest of this...

    Feminism Is Hypocritical and Sexist Against Men

    Hey, Andrew. I'm sorry but I'm going to forfeit the rest of this debate because I am going to close my account. I just want you to know that this isn't typical of the website, so if you want to debate someone of at mediocre quality, you can stay on here and wait for a few weeks for a debate challenger to accept. Rarely would someone of mediocre quality (see: this entire website) would forfeit, so if you want to debate more, stay here.