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  • PRO

    This will be divided into two parts, one part to...

    Feminism is inherently bigoted.

    This will be divided into two parts, one part to challenge the pay-gap theory and one to argue it's irrelevant. I dislike how you use data. Just because women are in majority in campuses today, does that mean they should make more money? If anything, the opposite. More of them obviously work low-paying, part time jobs between semesters and on the weekends. What is relevant is how the work force looks. In order to get a high paying job, you typically need experience and and a good education. Just for the sake of argument, let's say 20 years of experience. If college is four years, that means we have to look at enrollment levels from 1991 and earlier, not today in order to find out who is likely to make a lot of money. Here (1) you have enrollment levels, and as you can see all through the seventies and somewhat in the eighties, more men enrolled in college. A majority of the well educated, experienced workers in America should therefore be men. This probably increases, since men are much more stable in the workforce, this (2) isn't brand new but as late as 2010 women worked around 21 hours per week compared to men's 37 hours. The reasons for this is irrelevant for this discussion. It's also relevant what you study at higher levels. Guess who dominates the liberal arts and women's studies programs, compared to engineering and mathematics. Demanding equality of opportunity is fair, demanding equality of outcome is not. Another perspective would be the legal aspects. If anyone who reads this know of any employer that does discriminate, I'm sure that happens from time to time, there are authorities who should be contacted. Also, if a company could save a quarter of their salary budget by simply hiring women instead of men their shareholders would be able to sue any board who hires a man for anything. That would be a completely irresponsible way to treat the shareholders investment. Once you start asking some questions around this theory it begins to look like paranoia. Why would anyone hire a man if this was true? The same can be said about senate, strange bit of cherry-picking to single out the congress by the way. The majority of voters in America are women, more women are born and the sentencing disparity makes more men ineligible to vote. It would seem they do not vote based on genitalia, but rather policy or affiliation. Since there are 18% female members, there is obviously nothing structural that hinders them from applying or from winning. They simply seem less interested as a whole. The real question still has to be "who cares?". A few more of a couple of hundred privileged people are men. How is that relevant to the other 300 million citizens? How does it benefit men as a whole? Regardless of if there is wage discrimination or not, you proved my initial point. Feminists do not care about men. It's about self interest rather than equality, like it's always been. I guess that's ok though, since there is freedom of speech and you can always arrange your own meeting if you want to battle suicide rates. Oh wait (3). 1: http://www.census.gov... form 226 2: http://www.pewresearch.org...

  • PRO

    I am of the opinion that theory, practice as well as...

    Feminism is inherently bigoted.

    I am of the opinion that theory, practice as well as linguistics show that the feminist movement is not concerned with equality. Definitions: http://www.merriam-webster.com...

  • PRO

    Yes, women are getting stronger but that does not mean...

    Feminism is relevant in the 21st Century

    All in all, I believe that women have their rights, same as men. They should be able to express their opinions openly and be able to fight for their rights. Yes, women are getting stronger but that does not mean that they can stop. They have to continue until both genders are equal. Some men still regard women lowly even now in the 21st century. When the gender discrimination really stops, the women shall stop. But that time is. Not. Now.

  • PRO

    Some men still believe that the woman's duty is to...

    Feminism is relevant in the 21st Century

    I think that it is actually relevant even in the 21st century because it is still a problem in western countries. Yes, there are many women who go out to work but there are still women out there who aren't allowed to do this. Some men still believe that the woman's duty is to fulfill their needs and to stay at home and be the obedient wife who takes care of the house, waiting for them until they get back. In fact, in countries like Pakistan and India, women are still regarded very lowly. The men's needs are to be attended to before the wife can attend to hers.

CON

  • CON

    Honestly, state your sources. ... Women are payed less...

    Feminism Is Hinders Western Society

    Honestly, state your sources. Women are payed less then men in our society, so people are still fighting for equal rights. My school did an entire presentation on the subject, and I could easily find a website that states what I just said.

  • CON

    I'm sorry to say I'm disappointed. I was genuinely...

    This Third Wave of Feminism is Unnecessary

    I'm sorry to say I'm disappointed. I was genuinely looking forward to having an actual debate with a feminist, And all I came back to was a paragraph of empty threats. You do understand there is a section for comments, Correct? Now not only have you wasted my time, But yours.

  • CON

    More men apply to riskier jobs, such as the military and...

    Third Wave Feminism

    Well, the wage gap to me doesn't seem reasonable at all. They just got general earnings of both genders and then Obama came up with that statement, well, what I'm trying to say is, they didn't compare two individual people just salaries and earnings in general. More men apply to riskier jobs, such as the military and that stuff, which pay more. Women tend to pick safer jobs, and that pay less, and I don't think that is anything to do with society pressuring the genders into doing so, just that our bodies are proper to doing certain types of jobs, and the ones that demand the most of our body are normally more appropriate for males.

  • CON

    Alright, so my main argument against it would be the over...

    Third Wave Feminism

    Alright, so my main argument against it would be the over victimization, that is something really common nowadays, people say they are opressed, or the world is unfair only for the sake of saying it and feeling better about them selves, I honestly dont see how females are 'opressed' nowadays, it just seems like a really distant thought to me, the argument feminists use the most is that 'we are raped way more' and that kind of stuff, and thats absolutely fake: Studies have shown us lately that in USA more men are raped anually than females, might seem absurd but if you count prison rape, thats the actual truth. And I dont think we should overlook rape in jails just because people did something bad, but thats another issue. So how would you say females are opressed in our modern day world in democratic countries?

  • CON

    http://www.historynet.com... 3. ... (Keynote speech at...

    2nd wave and 3rd wave/modern feminism is harmful and should not exist.

    I find my opponents arguments amusing but I will address all LABELED points and those that aren't opinionated arguments based in fiction. Seeing as my opponent holds the BOP and I as Neg do not my opening arguments will be directed at my opponents. 1. My opponent provides no evidence. But I would like to point out something, at the end of this point he states " Just because men can't get pregnant, doesn't automatically make them rapists and unable to be raped." You are very clearly not a feminist but your saying men who are raped are rapists. You fall victim to your own point. 2.Again another unsupported argument backed by opinion and a cherry picked example, so let me respond with an example of my own. Eleanor Roosevelt, who " helped establish the non-profit Val-Kill Industries in 1926 in Hyde Park, New York, which was designed to teach local farmers skills to create colonial furniture reproductions to supplement their income" and "helped draft the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and, in her initial assignment to the Social, Humanitarian, and Cultural Committee, helped address the repatriation of displaced people. She became chairman of the Human Rights Commission and during her seven years as a delegate, traveled the world extensively investigating social, political, and economic conditions." sounds like she raped men and/or tried to make men sound like animals that only rape. you know when she was assisting Vets from WWII. http://www.historynet.com... 3. Another Unsupported Argument, and to answer your question NO, nothing is wrong with VAWA, lets look at some stats real quick, since VAWA "Between 1993 to 2007, the rate of intimate partner homicides of females decreased 35% and the rate of intimate partner homicides of males decreased 46%." that's right men stopped killing one another too. but that's not all "responding to urgent calls for help by establishing the National Domestic Violence Hotline, which has answered over 3 million calls and receives over 22,000 calls every month; 92% of callers report that it"s their first call for help; improving safety and reducing recidivism by developing coordinated community responses that bring together diverse stakeholders to work together to prevent and respond to violence against women, focusing attention on the needs of underserved communities, including creating legal relief for battered immigrants so that abusers cannot use the victim"s immigration status to prevent victims from calling the police or seeking safety, and supporting tribal governments in building their capacity to protect American Indian and Alaska Native women." if there really was no need for this law like you state why was there any improvements? 4. Another list of cherry picked examples, where a feminist, not all, responded against men in some way. most of these arguments aren't even tied to their articles alone, thus they are unsupported. its illogical for myself or anyone else to assume that these are correct, in fact the first one doesn't even tie to a website. thus these statements must be disregarded. 5. This isn't even an argument its simple quotes from radical female supremacists, not even modern feminists , to which I will quote too; Brigham Young (YES A MAN) "You educate a man; you educate a man. You educate a woman; you educate a generation." R13; Brigham Young Doris Lessing "Ideally, what should be said to every child, repeatedly, throughout his or her school life is something like this: 'You are in the process of being indoctrinated. We have not yet evolved a system of education that is not a system of indoctrination. We are sorry, but it is the best we can do. What you are being taught here is an amalgam of current prejudice and the choices of this particular culture. The slightest look at history will show how impermanent these must be. You are being taught by people who have been able to accommodate themselves to a regime of thought laid down by their predecessors. It is a self-perpetuating system. Those of you who are more robust and individual than others will be encouraged to leave and find ways of educating yourself " educating your own judgements. Those that stay must remember, always, and all the time, that they are being moulded and patterned to fit into the narrow and particular needs of this particular society." R13; Doris Lessing, The Golden Notebook Simone de Beauvoir "I am too intelligent, too demanding, and too resourceful for anyone to be able to take charge of me entirely. No one knows me or loves me completely. I have only myself" R13; Simone de Beauvoir Gloria Steinem "A feminist is anyone who recognizes the equality and full humanity of women and men." R13; Gloria Steinem Martha Gellhorn "I know enough to know that no woman should ever marry a man who hated his mother." R13; Martha Gellhorn, Selected Letters tags: ernest-hemingway, feminism, hate, love, marriage, married-life, matrimony, men, mothers, psychology, Madeleine Albright "There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women." (Keynote speech at Celebrating Inspiration luncheon with the WNBA's All-Decade Team, 2006)" R13; Madeleine Albright