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  • PRO

    8) Based on the above information, I continue to possit...

    Resolved: Modern American Feminism is Both Correct and Needed

    Underrepresentation of Women in Positions of Power I would like to begin by refuting my opponent"s case on the biological differences between men and women, particularly his citation [3]: Del Giudici's paper is not uncontested, (1) and is, itself, responding to a contrary and more popularly accepted paper, Janet Shibley Hyde"s "Gender Similarities Hypothesis" (2) (it should be noted that Hyde"s paper utilized aggregative meta-studies, whereas Del Giudici"s paper did not). All of that said, we can"t rule out the supposed liberal bias of psychology, (3) though Del Giudici does not disclose his own personal beliefs in his paper. All that being said, having read Del Giudici"s paper myself, (4) I found his methodology to be absolutely bogus. Del Giudici"s findings (and Irwing and Booth"s findings) rest on the outcome of a self-filled standardized personality questionnaire! By this paper"s reasoning, quizzes at the back-end of Cosmopolitan are just as empirical! It"s tautological. Karl Popper also refutes this sort of research in the Degrees of Testability chapter of his seminal "The Logic of Scientific Discovery", and to a degree in his preface vis-"-vis Wittgenstein, Berkley, Locke, Hume. (5) In actuality, this data reinforces my case - if all the data does is confirm how women perceive themselves and not necessarily how they are, it speaks to a reading of gender and sexuality that is culturally or socially imposed. Similar data could be and has been drawn from studies on race and socioeconomic status; (6) unless we wish to infer that the disadvantaged are biologically predisposed to be that way, we may consider the a posteriori psychological ramifications of being black, or being poor, or being gay, or being a woman, etc, etc, ad nauseum, considering the weight of social and cultural expectations, of the effect of mass media on the conscious self. Furthermore, human beings actually have remarkably low sexual dimorphism - one may notice this if they have ever been attracted to famed transgendered super model Valentijn de Hingh, (7) or felt confused looking at a billboard featuring female model for men"s clothing Casey Legler. (8) Based on the above information, I continue to possit that it is not in fact a woman"s natural disposition that determines her role in society, but the pathological expectations that that society has for HER. While my opponent"s reference to the low number of women in dangerous fields is not unacknowledged (it should be noted, however, that is is still reflective of social expectation - masculine culture absolutely romanticizes the "dangerous job", etc., though ofc the fitness of some of these jobs certainly favours those with a larger physique, which is primarily men. THAT being said (anecdote incoming), my sister is a competitive powerlifter, while I, a man, am a lanky writer), it pales in comparison to the lack of women representing women within government, a system which functions to represent the people, yet as of now primarily represents old white men. Furthermore, while evolutionary psychology attempts to bank off of sounding like it"s a hard science, it"s actually almost completely unempirical and its methodology, as far as Karl Popper is concerned, pseudo-science. (5) A statement about the evolutionary role of the genders is about as scientific as most social science-based arguments in favor of feminism: it"s largely, while no doubt intellectually entertaining, speculative, only seeks to confirm itself, but is not really testable, refutable, or falsifiable. Reproductive Fairness I"d like to refute the term "feminist brainwashing" as it colours the position: reeducation is a core tenet of social progress. Certainly children in schools today already have gone through decades of education on racial equality to better prepare them for the contemporary social climate. It seems to be slowly working; a lot more people now care about race issues than ever before, general racial tolerance is up, (9) and we"ve certainly stopped forming lynch mobs. An evolutionary psychologist could easily argue that our previous state was biologically ordained: as postulated in Frances Cress Welsing"s "Cress Theory of Color-Confrontation", the white race needed to practice explicit racism in order to survive. Killing black people, and thus thinning the competitive genetic herd, was an evolutionary necessity, as was segregation. Contrarily, my opponent could then combat my strawman and claim that it was in fact the growing acceptance of racial minorities that was evolutionarily advantageous, because it diversifies and strengthens the gene pool. In matters of gender, one could turn to the arguments of Luce Irigaray, Julia Kristeva, or even Valerie Solanas, or, if one really wanted to, even Friedrich Engels as providing contrary evidence of "evolutionary psychology" which posits arguments that entirely counter those of the ones my opponent had been attempting to use. As one can see, such a position is infinitely flexible and pseudoscientific. Again, not unlike the leagues of online feminists who attempt to augment practical arguments with academically fascinating, but unempirical and irrefutable, critical theory alone, because they happened to glance at a Judith Butler article in Gender Studies 101. Anthropology has showed much evidence that social circumstances have been demonstrably flexible throughout history, which includes attitudes towards female promiscuity. Warren Dawson tells us that, in some regions of Central Africa, polyandry (the practice of a woman taking several exclusive male partners) was common practice. There still exist cultures in the Amazon who practice multi-paternal families, in which a woman has sex with several men of her choosing before conceiving a baby that is to be their collective son. (10) And what of the matriarchal societies of ancient Vietnam, or of the Hopi and Iroquois Indians, ancient regions of India, the still thriving Mosuo people of Eastern China, etc.? To contend with the abortion argument: the sanctity of life argument of course begs the "unjust burden" counterargument. If we conclude that it"s unethical to force a fully conscious human being to surrender his kidney to save another, or that it"s unjustified for the very, very rich to comfortably support the poor masses the world over, then it is of course unethical to oppose a woman"s right to end the burden of pregnancy. That this is opposed at all suggests (though not entirely affirms!) a double standard, (11) to of course say nothing of the enormous barriers that still face women in the United States when they attempt to get a legal abortion. (12) We don"t necessarily have to get into an entire debate about abortion or the ethics thereof, however, as it IS it"s own highly-contested issue and could lengthen this debate tenfold - if my opponent is willing, we could just toss it out entirely. Looking forward to what looks like is going to be a great debate, even if I didn't proofread my argument and likely made some serious grammatical gaffe for which I will be greatly ashamed. (1) http://blogs.scientificamerican.com... (2) http://www.apa.org... (3) http://www.scientificamerican.com... (4) http://journals.plos.org... (5) http://strangebeautiful.com... (6) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... (7) https://www.google.ca... (8) https://www.google.ca... (9) http://static.ijreview.com... (10) https://www.sciencedaily.com... (11) http://www.debate.org...

  • PRO

    https://www.yahoo.com... and...

    feminism NEEDS to be stopped

    you said OMG, Really? Violence is bad in both cases, but look: https://www.huffingtonpost.com... The percentage are horrible." well a study found this out, "Roughly 40 percent of the victims of severe physical violence were men." https://www.yahoo.com... and https://www.theguardian.com... also other studies found that men are less likely to report it look at this other study that found "Only 10 per cent of male victims will tell the police Around 27 per cent of women will tell the police" http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk... 47% of the perpetrators are women aswell. http://www.slate.com... and the sad thing about this is most of the organisations to help people of sexual and physical abuse accept men way less than women , because people think men being raped is rare, but it isn't. you also said "More men died in war? Then don't go to war, I don't understand what does this have to do with feminist." well, men have been forced to be drafted for more than ONE-HUNDRED YEARS!!!! And catcalling?????? everyone hates that, cat-callers are looked down upon by society!

  • PRO

    But I do have evidence of the contrary. ... This gives us...

    feminism is not needed in the west

    Con, you are the one advocating for inequality of women. But I do have evidence of the contrary. Here are some statistics, note that these are for the U.S. only but the other western countries show similar data: U.S. Population is 49% male and 51% female. This gives us a basis of what the other statistics should look like. 79.3% of workplace fatalities are men, meaning men are four times more like to die at work than women. 78% of suicide deaths are men. While women are three times as likely to attempt suicide, men are just under four times more likely to die from it. This is because men mostly use 100% lethal means, firearm being prevalent, while women tend to bleed out from slit wrists and overdose on pills. The overwhelming majority of combat deaths are men, even though women are being integrated into the military. I will show statistics from older wars to compare. 1. Korea 99.99% of people who died were men. 2. Vietnam 99.99% again. 3. Gulf war 96.07%. 4. OIF 97.54%. 5. OEF 97.83% Men are more likely to commit murder, and more likely to be murdered. 78% of homicide victims are male and 64% of known killers are male. Men are fourteen times more likely to be sent to prison and receive 63% longer sentences than women for the same crime. 83% of felony defendants are male. 93% of the prison population is male. Chance of being bailed is 62% for men and 80% for women. First time offenders sentenced, 29% of male cases and only 17% of female cases. Chances of probation or parole for men is 66% while for women it is 85%. 72% of homeless individuals in shelter are male. 66-80% of divorces are initiated by women. Men win custody only 18% of the time. 674,000 men receive alimony while 5,588,000 women do. References Population by gender 2013 Workplace Fatalities 2013 Professions by Gender Suicide Rates 2013 Combat Casualty Statistics Combat Casualty Statistics OIF/OEF Murder Victims 2013 Murder Offenders 2013 Prison Statistics 2009-2013 Sentencing statistics Sentencing statistics 2 Homelessness 2013 Custody and Alimony Divorce Divorce 2 These are all public records

  • PRO

    This topic is definitely something of worth to me, since...

    First World Feminism in the USA

    This topic is definitely something of worth to me, since my views are getting nuanced, especially on gender issues. Just another note though, I have spring semester starting tomorrow, and so I might be busy and Imight delay my responses but rest assured, I will get on time. Just don't expect quick responses.

  • PRO

    Not an intense debate. ... First post is acceptance,...

    Feminism is Not Helpful in our Society

    Not an intense debate. I'll write in a loose, paragraph form as I'm exhausted from my policy case research. Sources always helpful. First post is acceptance, round 2 is your argument(s), round three is rebuttals.

  • PRO

    It should be someone who actually live there to be brave...

    Is feminism an equality or women superiority

    I partially agree with your statement about that not so many feminist pay attention to "actual problems that women in Islamic countries have to face". But there're still many women who try to make us pay the attentions to the problems of Middle East, gay, trans, etc. Yet it's far beyond their abilities to make an actual change in women rights in Middle East simply because they are not there. It should be someone who actually live there to be brave and take a stand for their rights. So they fight for equality in the country there're living, for instance, US (or other country) where Rape Culture is still exist. Statistically every 98 seconds American woman is sexually assaulted. And this is a lot and unacceptable. Women should get the right to wear whatever they want and not to be abused on the way home or at work.

  • PRO

    In addition, Bill Maher also did a stand-up comedy...

    Official March Beginner's Tournament 2016 Round 2: Feminism is Beneficial to the Modern World.

    Thanks for having me. I am currently overloaded with finals so I'll have to do a very quick round(in under 2 hours). However, this is no such excuse so I ask all voters to evaluate my case based on merit alone. Discredit the emphatic lens please. I will do my best to provide an insightful and entertaining case instead of just completing it for the sake of praising the RNGesus of Finals. That said, Let's begin. === Indicators of societal progression can be seen through changes within the social norms of a given culture. Changes are usually made and directed by social groups and these groups usually hail from a large array of resources. One of those resources happens to be feminism and I will argue that despite the immeasurable amount of social variables to weigh on, feminism is still a positive force. Challenging pre-existing norms is a valid cause Hitchens regarded women as the "gentler sex" () and that there is always a reason why they were regarded as so. He also testified how incredibly difficult it is for a male to take the role of a nurturer and that each male should continue to be the breadwinner. In addition, Bill Maher also did a stand-up comedy mocking feminine values as well as calling submissive men as cowards unworthy of life's succulent adventures(). He argued that men should return as former "mustang" adventurers prioritizing fun over "safety". The amount of male bashing they did are all part of a belief that holds women as the inferior type. Women are often regarded as the inferior sex because they are usually less "adventurous" than men and that they are much more comfortable soaking up emotions from the leading breadwinner. They are socialized to accept that one gender has an assigned social construct, in such that cooking is an exclusive feminine activity restricted to only women and that leading financial gains is often only restricted to only men. From this point of reference, they like to form further soft comparisons of how each gender should be geared towards. Domestic Issue Awareness The problem with social values is that not all values are transmitted throughout society. The prevalence of sub-culture itself promote isolation and isolation prevents proper integration. Nuclear forms of marriages often receives the brunt of this weight. If a couple decides to work together, lots of "back-door problems" may start to arise, where intentions fail to translate into actions. The Bureau of Labor Statistics show that women's domestic workload is twice to that of their male counterpart, despite both being full-time workers (http://www.bls.gov...). Moreover, women are seen as the primary child-rearing parent and they are seen to have twice the amount of nurturing time(http://www.bls.gov...). It is an acceptable premise to argue that in domestic chores and child rearing, women are seen as the leading caretaker. Whether that translates to inequality the same way Bill Maher regards Men as mustangs is debatable but I'd like to argue that most women do experience a sense of inequality given how both genders are now full time workers. That said, It's important to distinguish the line which different feminists advocate. The rather common versions of feminist critique regarding this issue is often so that men do not hold similar concerns and that they're often selfish due to the existing norms that shape them. While this may be true for unique cases especially the narcissist likes of Hitchens and Bill Maher, whose ideas are often misogynistic in nature, it is however untrue for the majority of men. Recent studies made by Gerson shows that Men do care and that their feelings are often known to their spouses that they wish for an egalitarian relationship (https://workfamily.sas.upenn.edu...). Men do aspire to be nurturers and valiant cooks, in such that they wanted to equalize the amount of workload between both genders. They are aware that there is a pattern of inequality and they wish to work against such pattern. Gerson specified that in an era of industrialized society, people often have flexibility in their workload, and this allows them to distribute different ranges of domestic work despite being full-time workers. This model is the ideal form for most family structures. There is no "mustangs" in the family and there is no "gentler sex" when it comes to the breadwinner. There is only an advocate towards equality and the only way to do this is to have men being consciously aware of the position that they're in and that they should cater equally in terms of household work. This is the best that I can do. I leave the floor to Con for his case.

CON

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    The movement still persists to this day. ... (S3)”...

    Modern Feminism (Third-Wave Feminism) Destroys Men and Their Families

    With all due respect, resulting from the fault of my own, I failed to recognize an important feminist movement emerging from the Middle East. Pro's argument clearly is an opinionated one strictly on America, claiming for the majority of modern feminsts to be"overweight, ugly, and their attitudes suck," and that they persist on with their movements only to strike down men. However, he does not discuss feminist movements elsewhere. With that being said, I would like to introduce a feminist movement which I briefly included in my previous argument, the Musawah. As I said before, the Musawah are a group of Middle-Eastern movement across many countries in northeastern Africa and the Middle-East which advocate for women's rights in Islam. It started in 2009, gaining 250 members across 50 countries (S1). The movement still persists to this day. Through websites and articles, such as their official website, http://www.musawah.org..., the Musawah inform the public of their cause, spreading the word on their campaign and persuading others with their words (S2). They have appeared before large audiences, even attending rallies as far as London. Their campaign persists in redefining sexism in Islam and redefine the roles of women everywhere. "Not as it’s practiced in most places now. But the mood at Musawah is optimistic. At the United Nations, Musawah’s Anwar reminded the Commission on the Status of Women that Muslim women don’t need to choose between Islam and equal rights; while 4:34 is invoked by sexists, there are many more passages calling for justice, and a sound Quranic tradition saying that all humans are equal as God’s creations. In London, Anwar asked the crowd of Muslim women a fundamental question: 'If we are equal before the eyes of God, why not before the eyes of men? (S3)” Sources: S1) http://www.islamandfeminism.org... S2) http://www.musawah.org... S3) http://time.com...

  • CON

    How about fighting against the abuse of women in the...

    Modern Feminism (Third-Wave Feminism) Destroys Men and Their Families

    "There is a big misconception about the issues women face versus what men face. Are women in general more likely to face rape, sexism and sexual harrassment in their lifetime than men? I would say absolutely not." Though I do not deny that men also face a great deal of sexual harassment that should not be taken as a joke, multiple sources including http://hrlibrary.umn.edu... claim that more women have faced sexual harassment. In a study with around 270 respondents, more than 50% of them had received sexual harassment in their workplace. Of the respondents, 79% of the victims were women, and 21% were men (S1). "If they truly cared about women and their plight they would not focus on petty things such as "manspreading" and "manslpaining." How about fighting against the abuse of women in the middle east?" As I have explained, a large part of the feminist movement has set its sights on protecting and extending the rights of women in the Middle East. In fact, there are some sects of feminist groups that fight specifically for the rights of Middle Eastern women such as Musawah. Musawah is a movement led by Islamic women (with over 250 members) that is advocating women's rights from within Islam (S2). "Here is the real reason women are making less money than men. Women do not make less money than men for doing the same job. They make exactly the same as men doing the same job. Women are not working the same jobs as men; that's the real issue. Construction jobs, coal mining, deep sea fishing, etc, etc ... these are the jobs that men are doing that women are not." Your primary claim towards refuting why "the wage gap doesn't exist" is that women are either working in different jobs than men, and going further to say that the wage gap is nonexistent. Furthermore, you lack any evidence that proves this, and thus readers and myself are supposed to go by only your word. Some people may argue that men are more adept and stronger than women, and thus they deserve more money for the occupation they're in that require physical abilities such as construction. However, the wage gap is not only applicable to these types of jobs, but also in things that rely primarily on intelligence and diction such as lawyers and desk jobs. As I have provided in my previous argument, the wage gap is very real, and many trustworthy sources can confirm such. They include but are not limited to Forbes (S3), the Huffington Post (S4), and the Washington Post (S5). Sources: 1) http://www.aware.org.sg... 2) https://www.thenation.com... 3) http://www.forbes.com...; 4) https://www.google.com... 5) https://www.google.com...

  • CON

    I would like to point out that the feminist movement does...

    Feminism is inherently bigoted.

    I would like to point out that the feminist movement does not "not care about" the problems men face. If you were in a group that loves McDonald's and your city does not have one and their is a group who wants a Taco Bell, your not going to think the people who want a Taco Bell are wrong, your just more focused on your McDonald's because you just happen to like it more. This translates to prove that what Ferare thinks is flawed, its not that women necessarily don't care about these issues its just that they are more concerned with their own problems and they have plenty of those in which they need to fight for, including their rights and their equality. Lets use America in sake of consistency with Ferare, men have almost all of the power in America's government. In the US Senate 19% of the people in the Senate are women and women only make up 18% of the Congress. Statistically women have a higher GPA when they get out of high school than men do, women have an average of 3.10 while men have an average of 2.90. Women are also more likely to go to college, 70% of women have either gone to college or have their bachelors degree, while 61% of men have gone to college or gotten their bachelor degree. Despite this gap in education men still hold more power than women and on average women only make $.77 of every dollar men make, meaning that men make 23% more than women on average despite women having a greater education. http://thisnation.com... http://money.cnn.com... http://www.nationsreportcard.gov... http://cnsnews.com... http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

  • CON

    Secondly, your point about women not being allowed to...

    Feminism is relevant in the 21st Century

    Thanks for the response. Firstly, I understand what you're saying about Pakistan and India but as we are talking about Western culture they aren't really relevant in this discussion. Secondly, your point about women not being allowed to work, this kind of discrimination is against the law in pretty much all western nations (Europe, USA, Canada and Australia just to name a few) In fact, some companies have specific guidelines meaning they have to employ a certain number of females to their workforce. Also, the majority of men do not believe it's a woman's duty to be a housewife, that idea has been thrown out since the nineties - female and male unemployment is relatively similar.

  • CON

    I think some feminist are hypocritical but some of us...

    Feminism is counterintuitive and hypocritical

    I see the point your trying to make but I don't agree with it. I think some feminist are hypocritical but some of us aren't. I would like to know some examples. Most of us just want equal rights and I see how that can seem hypocritical at times but it's really not.