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  • PRO

    I have closed the debate to avoid people who accept then...

    The world needs more feminism

    This debate should be impossible to accept, If you do wish to debate me then message me or express interest in the comment section. I have closed the debate to avoid people who accept then forfeit as I have had happen often in the past. rules: 1st round is acceptance only 2nd round arguments only 3rd round rebuttals and arguments 4th conclusions and rebuttals only If you wish to discuss rules discuss the issue in the comment section.

  • PRO

    If you work hard for it, then you deserve it. ... If it...

    Feminism is ruining video games

    Well since this is the final round and I have no points from my opponent to counter I will say this. I am all for equality in all aspects of life. If you work hard for it, then you deserve it. As far as video game story lines are concerned, the same rules apply. You can be a female or a male protagonist and have whatever story you want. But the story you give the audience has to make sense of the context of the story. Don't just have a woman beat out all the men in the story line with no issues, dilemmas, or emotional struggle. Again I said context. If it is a game set in a cartoonish world where there is no real continuous story line (like Mario Games) then sure do what you like. But when you try to present a serious story line set in a fictional world parallel to our own, where we can dictate what is possible or not, then it is best to not pander just to do it. When you pander it degrades the material and gets unnecessary attention.

  • PRO

    But there has to be a viability within the context of the...

    Feminism is ruining video games

    Well with the increase of organizations like gamer gate... https://en.wikipedia.org... It is evident that groups like these are influencing the production of the games that we play. There isn't any statistics I can pull up, but we can infer this since the topic of women's depiction in video games has been a hot topic for quite some time. As far as Dragon Age is concerned I will admit I have never played it, but you proved my point by referring to it. Dragon Age is a new intellectual property, with its own lore to create. Now if they want a strong women influence then that is fine, and it is viable. Sure in the Medevil times plenty of women were just as strong as their superiors, so it fits, its not an easy pander option. Its credible But in my example with an established game like Mortal Kombat they just decided to change the story drastically in favour of a female antagonist being the main hero. Now, my issue is not that a women can't be a hero, save the world, etc. But there has to be a viability within the context of the narrative, its what makes something credible. In the Motal Kombat world full of demons and ninjas, the youngest female character has to save the world. The question I ask is why? I know its up to the developers of the game but was it needed for the story, or was it just for the sake of pandering to feminist women who always want a perfect female dominated story? With already established male hero's there were plenty of options to satisfy the fans, and make the game a credible story. As far as the Metal Gear Solid issue ok yes I said her body, not clothing. Still why the controversy over that character? That characters attitude and personality is well represented with what she is wearing, it really isn't any more obscene than Dead or Alive characters. Even in real life women dress like her all the time, rip off pants, tube tops. Female wrestlers wear that type of garment, so why is it even an issue? Its only an issue because feminist women are insecure, and that personal emotion bring the value down of the game. Imagine if every game had to politically pander to a certain group, then stories won't be interesting, and lose the creativity and imagination that games are know for. Mainly what I am saying is that feminist feel entitled to point out characters that they deem inappropriate, but the majority of gamers, and even society, don't agree with their values. The opinions of the least common denominator takes precedence over the majority of fans of the medium.

  • PRO

    In Dragon Crown the female fighters were over sexualized,...

    Feminism is ruining video games

    Don't know why but it is saying my original argument has profanity in it and I cant post, but it doesn't. So here is the short version of what I originally thought. Games that are well established have their story drastically changed just to pander to feminist women who want a female dominated world where a women can't be looked as a sex object, have no flaws, and can be physically and mentally stronger than a man. Basically a perfect world for women. Examples include Mortal Kombat X where the female new comer saves the day, despite the long running more experienced male characters being the heroes. In Dragon Crown the female fighters were over sexualized, even though that was the choice of the artist and those characters were strong willed and not depicted as promiscuous There was a big controversy over Metal Gear Solid 5 because one of the females had a typical athletic but sexualixed body. So what is a developer suppose to do, make a woman fat? Well they did with Fat Princess and that got heat for depicting woman as fat, even though there are plenty of comedic fat male characters. I am all for characters that are strong willed and it is viable. Metriod, Skull Girls, Zelda just to name a few. But it has to make sense, and not just pandering to the lowest common denominator. What I am saying is feminist will always find something to complain about, and will never be happy, even with their own arguments.

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    Also don't get sarcastic and say who ARE cucks sucks. ......

    Feminism is good for society as a whole.

    YOU KEEP LYING AND ATTACKING ME! Your with him! You brought everyone against me in a debate. You are a liar, a cheater, and a false man. I bet you are him! Also you are a cucks sucks! Even Bieber is better than SJWS! Also don't get sarcastic and say who ARE cucks sucks. Cucks are male SJWs. I bet you are that guy with the baby avatar. I am popular on yahoo and you are trying to prevent me from being popular on here! FK U! Also I will keep you down by saying I don't like you!

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    Feminism is good for society as a whole.

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  • CON

    But I'd have no problem debating again, as long as I am...

    Feminism is anti-religious

    If you are planning on creating a new debate with the intention of debating me, I'm afraid I'll have to put it off for a bit. I currently have 12 debates that are in the debating period and my hands are completely full. But I'd have no problem debating again, as long as I am aware of the terms and the specifics on what I'd be arguing. As my opponent has forfeited, I put forward that the motion is thus dismissed.