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  • PRO

    I find this ad wrong in many levels, affecting both...

    The new Pantene ad feminist ad "not sorry" is a terrible ad and a bad influence of feminism.

    The recent Pantene campaign "Sorry, not sorry" encourages women to not apologize. I find this ad wrong in many levels, affecting both reputation of I find this ad wrong in many levels, affecting both reputation of feminism and modern society negatively first round acceptance only. this will be my first debate on debate.org note: I am a english as second language speaker. http://youtu.be...

  • PRO

    Therefore, in the interest of humankind to survive, a...

    Feminism is based upon female entitlement to male achievements.

    I would like to thank my opponent for accepting this debate. Prior to the presentation of my argument, Con has asserted that any individual who regards themselves as feminist must hold the belief of my proposition. As such, this is a fallacy of division and is irrelevant to this discourse. As Pro, I assume the burden of proof in the resolution and Con will attempt to refute my arguments as such that feminism is not based on female self-entitlement to male achievements. The defining proposition of this debate is predicated around feminism's most basic logical fallacy: If all people deserve equal political, economic, and social rights, people exist together successfully. Females exist together successfully. Therefore, females deserve equal political, economic, and social rights. Categorically, there is a flaw in this ideological self-entitlement. Notice that roughly half of the human species is not represented by feminism. Therefore, feminists lay claim to equal treatment without having to reciprocate. This has been accomplished in a myriad of ways, which will be defined throughout this discourse. Argument 1: Human Biology defines Human Needs Citing the non-aggression principle, one may arrive at this conclusion about the difference between human needs and human wants: 1. If satisfying a human need is physiologically necessary to physical and psychological health, then lack of provision and protection to humans results in physical and psychological deprivation. 2. Wanting or preferential behavior is negatively correlated with physical and psychological deprivation. 3. Therefore, provision and protection are universally human needs which take priority over wanting or preferential behavior. Argument #2: Complimentary Opposites If male and female exist as anatomically complimentary to one another as per biology, then each of the sexes is of a specific physiological disposition in nature, and thus, human biology has assigned them basic jobs to be performed in the cycle of life and death. Males, given the task of provision and protection, serve as agents of death (e.g. hunting/killing game, warriors, etc.). Females, given the task of birth and nurturing, serve as agents of life (e.g. live birth, care-takers, etc.). Therefore, in the interest of humankind to survive, a union must be struck between agents of death and agents of life. This union has been historically called the family, and it describes a specific, role-based architecture incorporated out of necessity rather than cosmetic appeal. However, it is important to denote the distinctions in agency between the sexes before addressing the family structure. Male biology, by default, is a competitive altruistic agency[1] which entails personal sacrifice for the common good out of necessity. As the agent of death, the male biology expresses itself via a significantly higher proportion of testosterone when compared to females, as the average daily production of it is 20 times higher. Features are increased bone and muscle mass as well as facial hair while the key behavioral feature is increased risk-taking. The brains of males are also physically larger – myelinated fiber (white brain matter) length is approximately 176,000 km, whereas female reaches 149,000 km. Testosterone production directly increases attention, memory, and spatial capacity.[2] Given this context, males are genetically predisposed to perform risky tasks which require strength, agility, and dexterity in the physical dimension; in the mental, males possess higher capacities of focus, information recall, and third-dimensional imagery. By combining powerful physiology with tactical psychology, one arrives at the conclusion that males do the hunting, hard work, and remain stoic. Therefore, as the competitively altruistic male biology dictates, the abilities males are born into are valuable, however, the male is without intrinsic value and must demonstrate it by his utility in furthering the human race. Self-interested behavior in men bares heavy consequences in society. Conversely, female biology, by default, is a self-interested agency, in that females must survive for humanity to thrive out of necessity. As the agent of life, the distinction to be made is that each individual female is intrinsically valuable by nature of her biology. The uterus and ovaries along with a thicker corpus callosum connecting the hemispheres of the female brain are her vital differences from her male counterpart. A more empathetic disposition, an emphasis on acting with the consensus, and the nurturing behaviors of breast-feeding and child-rearing all demonstrate a more proportionate ratio of testosterone to estrogen in the female physiology. Thus, where the female is praised for expressing her sense of self and self-interest, the male is berated to remain stoic and to hone his abilities as a societal and evolutionary reminder that he exists solely for the purpose of female survival. From this complimentary balance, two truths are born: there must be a leader and a follower to every human relationship, and that if one is to be a leader, one must be willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to protect his follower(s): one's own life. Argument #3: Biological Theft As it is in the best interest of humanity that females survive at all costs, the ones who must bear that cost are the males. In return for his life, the female reciprocates with her service. I have now defined the architecture of the family: a father as leader and a mother as follower. History builds a vivid picture of what male achievements constitute: Formal logic, which this debate hinges upon, was conceived by a group of competitively altruistic males as it became a necessity in the growing Greek populace to discern truth from falsehood, to provide an empirical and standard method of forming critical thought, and to create the foundation upon which the modern legal format stands. History does not remember these males on the simple predicate that they were men: it remembers them because they conquered new ground and achieved for all humankind. Skyscrapers reaching 100+ stories appear on several continents. Infrastructures such as road, rail, canal, and air-travel have been tested and refined for thousands of years - resulting in the losses of untold numbers of males in their testing phases and constructions. Electricity. Pasteurization. Computers. Automobiles. Radio. Glass. Vaccination. Republics. Combustion. Television. Internet. Physics. Economics. Geography. Science. And most importantly, males gave birth to the concept of freedom. And that cost was high. This and every creation, mental or physical, is founded upon this innate male agency to provide provision or protection to society, and through that end, foster a male achievement. 1. If male sacrifice provisions and protects modern society and a comfortable standard of living for humans, then modern life is comfortable. 2. Feminists deserve all the rights of males, including male careers, male decisions, and male sexuality. 3. Therefore, male sacrifice is unnecessary. I pose this thought in the rhetorical: remove all male sacrifice in today's modern society. What's left? In the event that the female should choose to disrupt biology and perform all the duties of a male and all the duties of a female, she has committed to what is defined above as self-entitlement. Male self-entitlement to other males' achievements produces jealousy, larceny, grand theft, corruption, dictatorship, and warfare predicated on invasion. Female self-entitlement to males' achievements produces feminism. Thus, female self-entitlement is based upon male achievements. [1] http://www.epjournal.net... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org...

  • PRO

    They are not demanding a lowering of standards, they're...

    Feminism equality has been achieved these are just women looking for handouts

    Pro will address the following: - Women can work the same jobs as men. - Women are not physically able to join certain military jobs. Notice that the pro is not addressing the point of age, pay or personal freedom anymore, please refer to the comments for further information on that. http://usnews.nbcnews.com... Extend all evidence from Round 2 to this round as con has failed to disprove a single one. In addition, review the evidence offered this debate through the usnews.nbcnews link. As the link shows, a female veteran of our armed forces believes that some women in the military are more than capable of beating the tests. They are not demanding a lowering of standards, they're saying that they can beat men at their own game but aren't allowed to. This invalidates the Cons arguments of lessening our special forces abilities. Summary As even with the modified resolution the pro has still succeeded in proving that women are not allowed to hold certain jobs which by the pros definition of They are not demanding a lowering of standards, they're saying that they can beat men at their own game but aren't allowed to. This invalidates the Cons arguments of lessening our special forces abilities. Summary As even with the modified resolution the pro has still succeeded in proving that women are not allowed to hold certain jobs which by the pros definition of Summary As even with the modified resolution the pro has still succeeded in proving that women are not allowed to hold certain jobs which by the pros definition of feminism makes the status between men and women that of inequality, there can be no other ballot than for that of the pro.

  • PRO

    There is nothing wrong with sex-role differentiation. ......

    Feminism promotes an unnatural equality between the sexes. There is nothing wrong with sex-role dif...

    Feminism promotes an unnatural equality between the sexes. There is nothing wrong with sex-role differentiation. Men and women are biologically different, and these differences are what have led to women’s dominance of the private sphere, home life and childrearing, and men’s dominance of public life, the workplace and political authority. All of these are essential to a functional society, and the division of labour on the basis of sex is an entirely sensible principle of social order. There is a distinction between enshrining equality of pay, democratic representation and opportunity in law, and actively encouraging women to reject their traditional, and in many cases preferred, gender roles. Women are, in general, more fulfilled by motherhood than by career success.

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  • PRO

    Pro is prohibited from using lawyering methods of...

    Official March Beginner's Tournament 2016 Round 2: Feminism is Beneficial to the Modern World.

    Full Resolution: On balance, Feminism is Beneficial to the Modern World. Modern/Modernity (http://www.businessdictionary.com...) Characteristics of modern (post second World War) societies that have capitalistic economies and democratic political structures, and are highly industrialized and divided into social classes based on economic status. These characteristics include regular pattern of everyday life, urbanization, influx of women at all levels of employment and business, secular outlook, sexual freedom, sharp reduction in birth rate and death rate, centralized bureaucratic government, standardized education system, and pervasive use of technology specially in communications. Feminism (http://www.merriam-webster.com...) Organized self-identified/self-proclaimed feminist activity in support of women's rights and interests. Structure: Round 1: Acceptance ONLY Round 2: Arguments Round 3: Arguments and Rebuttals Round 4: Rebuttals and Conclusion There shall be no semantics in this debate. Both sides are prohibited from debating and overhauling definitions. if you have any concern regarding the definitions, raise them now before the debate commences. Pro is prohibited from using lawyering methods of scapegoating, such as shifting between different feminist stances. If Pro violates this rule and refutes Con by using such infraction, Pro will forfeit the entire debate. Both sides are not allowed to raise new arguments in the last round. This debate is issued as part of the Beginner's Tournament (http://www.debate.org...). Only someloser(http://www.debate.org...) can accept this debate. If someone other than him manages to accept this challenge, that person will forfeit the entire debate. Once the challenge is issued, the contender may accept whenever he is ready. ===== Both of us are fellow proteges of the ancient Cody_Franklin who as we believe right now is currently lurking for a revival. It was prophesied that only one of us may remain as his protege. I intend to make that title mine. Time for you to lose, someloser. Kissing his feet should be my prize, not yours. That said, RAWR!!!

  • PRO

    In another study the CDC lists male victims of domestic...

    2nd wave and 3rd wave/modern feminism is harmful and should not exist.

    Rebuttals a1. I provided evidence, very much so. "Just because men cannot get pregnant, doesn't automatically make them rapists and unable to be raped" is an anti-"all male are rapists" argument. I don't understand how my opponent misread/misunderstood that statement so badly. I do not fall victim to my own point. a2. That has nothing to do with 2nd wave and 3rd wave feminism. She is, if anything, a 1st wave feminist, but that does not make what she did anything close to feminism in any way. This debate is about 2nd and 3rd wave feminism. a3. There is something wrong with the VAWA, it only protects women, when men are the overwhelming majority of rape victims, and a large portion of domestic violence and abuse victims. Men are also 2x more likely to be raped/assaulted by a stranger. Evidence of the above rebuttal.^: 1.)Men are :76% of homicide victims " DOJ 2.)Men are the overwhelming majority of rape victims Male rape has been called "The most closely guarded secret of American prisons." (Weiss and Friar 1974) There are estimated to be over 300,000 male rapes per year in American prisons and jails. http://www.loompanics.com... 2.)Male rape victims of female rapists. 2.1% of men reported forced vaginal sex compared to 1.6% of women in a relationship in the previous year. From: Predictors of Sexual Coersion. http://pubpages.unh.edu... 3.)94% of sexually abused youth in correctional facilities reported being abused by female staff. From: Sexual Victimization in Juvenile Facilities, 2008-09. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov... 4.)50% of homeless youth reported being sexually abused by a female. From: It"s Not What You Think: Sexually Exploited Youth in British Columbia http://www.nursing.ubc.ca... 5.)Among inmates reporting staff sexual misconduct, ~ 65% reported a female aggressor. From: Sexual Victimization in Prisons and Jails Reported by Inmates, 2008-09. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov... 6.)Women abusers This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600. http://www.csulb.edu... That harassment is a systemic problem with origins that emanate from academe. Dr. Murray Straus, an internationally recognized expert on intimate partner violence published the following paper outlining the various ways that feminist ideologues suppress data and research on IPV that demonstrates gender symmetry in its incidence. http://pubpages.unh.edu... Men are fully half of the victims of domestic violence (26% of intimate partner homicides), yet are denied service at most tax payer funded domestic violence shelters. In another study the CDC lists male victims of domestic violence at more than 34%, but men injured in Iraq (and all other men) are by law in California excluded from domestic violence shelter services. Only one shelter in Lancaster, CA accepts men and it has been extensively harassed for doing so. In 2008, overall rates of police-reported violent victimization were comparable between men and women, but the nature of their victimization differed. In that year, men were more likely than women to be victims of the most serious forms of physical assault (levels 2 and 3) and have a weapon used against them. Men were almost twice as likely to be the victims of assault level 2 than women (215 versus 114 per 100,000); Though aggravated assault (level 3) occurs much less frequently than the less serious forms of assault, the rate of aggravated assault for men is over three times greater than that of women (18 versus 5 per 100,000) Young men under the age of 18 are 1.5 times more likely to be physically assaulted than young girls. Male victims were most often physically assaulted by a stranger or by someone else outside of the family. In 2008, men were the victims of 80% of all reported attacks by strangers. Men were more likely to be robbed than women. They were victims in 65% of robberies in 2008. Male teens aged 15 to 17 reported the highest robbery rates among all child and youth age groups and nearly 1.5 times higher than the rate for men aged 18 to 24. Men were more likely than women to be a homicide victim, accounting for almost three quarters (74%) of homicide victims during a 5-year period between the years 2004 to 2008. More than one-third of male victims of homicide were killed with a firearm, compared to one fifth of female homicide victims. Men were 2.5 times more likely to be sexually assaulted in an institutional setting (school, non-commercial or non-corporate area) than women. So how is my argument that the VAWA is a sexist and unneeded law "unsupported"? If anything we need a VAMA law. a4. The articles directly correlate with the evidence. I am guessing you didn't bother to click them. You cannot conclude that, because only the first argument does not seem to be from an article that it is 1.) false 2.) all arguments are false or 3.) that all statements must be disregarded. The first one correlates to the first link. Actually, the evidence supports the claim that many feminists responded in this way. a5. The quotes are an argument, and they all identify as feminists (notably from the 2nd and 3rd waves and the 3rd wave is modern day). Those feminists are the most widely known and most powerful (and the leaders) of the movement and feminists follow them. (some of) Your quotes are also sexist towards men as are mine, which only proves my point. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.) My opponent provided no new arguments and that should result in a deduction of conduct points. My opponent also used incorrect grammar (e.g. "your" when "you're" would be correct), which should result in a deduction of correct/good grammar points. 2.) Feminists often say there is a pay gap between men and women. This is false. I will provide evidence as to why the gender pay gap is a complete myth Men are far more likely to choose careers that are more dangerous, so they naturally pay more. Top 10 most dangerous jobs (from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics): Fishers, loggers, aircraft pilots, farmers and ranchers, roofers, iron and steel workers, refuse and recyclable material collectors, industrial machinery installation and repair, truck drivers, construction laborers. They're all male-dominated jobs. Men are far more likely to work in higher-paying fields and occupations (by choice). According to the White House report, "In 2009, only 7 percent of female professionals were employed in the relatively high paying computer and engineering fields, compared with 38 percent of male professionals." Professional women, on the other hand, are far more prevalent "in the relatively low-paying education and health care occupations." Men are far more likely to take work in uncomfortable, isolated, and undesirable locations that pay more.Men work longer hours than women do. The average full-time working man works 6 hours per week or 15 percent longer than the average full-time working woman. Men are more likely to take jobs that require work on weekends and evenings and therefore pay more. Even within the same career category, men are more likely to pursue high-stress and higher-paid areas of specialization. For example, within the medical profession, men gravitate to relatively high-stress and high-paying areas of specialization, like surgery, while women are more likely to pursue relatively lower-paid areas of specialization like pediatrician or dentist. Despite all of the above, unmarried women who've never had a child actually earn more than unmarried men, according to Nemko and data compiled from the Census Bureau. Women business owners make less than half of what male business owners make, which, since they have no boss, means it's independent of discrimination. The reason for the disparity, according to a Rochester Institute of Technology study, is that money is the primary motivator for 76% of men versus only 29% of women. Women place a higher premium on shorter work weeks, proximity to home, fulfillment, autonomy, and safety, according to Nemko. This proves that the 2nd and 3rd waves of feminism fight for a nonexistent claim and are actually fighting to earn more than men. 3.) Chivalry when they like it, Sexism when they don't. Example: "I'm the man I'll pay"=liked "I work more than that woman, but we get payed the same wage. I deserve a raise because I work harder and get more done!"=hated/seen as sexism due to feminism in society. 4.) Feminists always assume they know what is best and that they are always right in the way to do things. I understand that some (if any) feminists have good intentions, but they are carrying them out in a totally wrong way that hurts men, women, families, and society.

  • PRO

    If not then you fit into a minority of cultural practices...

    The rise of feminism has negatively impacted relationships

    First of all, welcome to my debate; I am excited to continue and are very pleased to meet you. I think I will try and address your argument piece by piece in a chronological fashion. "My opponents entire argument is based on shallow, generalizations on the difference between men and women, however there's no scientific evidence or statistics to back his claims. All the reader is left with are relative, cliche "observations" based solely from the point of view of my opponent." In what format would you prefer the citation? I will continue with APA for now. There are many significant distinctions between males and females, within numerous areas of distinction. For instance: in brain hormone function (e.g. Nishizawa, 1997; Giedd, 2012), sexual behaviour and preference (Carrol, 1985) and across a wide range of personality measures (Hyde, 2014). There are studies galore to be found highlighting differences, I don"t think it"s a controversial topic; it is also assumtion held by every culture known to man for thousands of years. Also, its pretty self-evident from life experience that males are different from females, though its "un-scientific" it doesn"t make it false. As you are the one making the radical assumption that males and females have no differences, I feel the burden of proof lies with you. This point about life experience I want to come back to at the end and relate it to your last argument. Use of the word "driving seat", I understand it needs some explanation; it was not a good choice of words. What I mean is that males are more suited to the external family situation (job, money, future plans) and so from the outside could be considered in "control" of the family. I do not mean that men should hold any power over a women or be able to hit them or anything ridiculous like that. Lets be serious here and stop boxing off the world into devil people and Saints: the word is more nuanced. Women and men should be equal in rights of course. (http://www.actforlibraries.org...) Here is a quote from a meta-analytical study of gender differences: "In reality nature has designed the two genders to have compatible, but differing psychological strengths, simply to ensure that a suitable balance is achieved in the male/female relationship" "if my opponent could prove that women are "less stable then men", or "people are less happy than ever in relationships" Women less stable than men: The world health organisation, over a huge meta-analytical study found overwhelmingly that women suffered greater from mental health problems (up to 40% more), (World Health Organization; 2002). People less happy than ever in relationships: Peoples relationships are shorter than ever now; look it up in two seconds you will find evidence. Blanchflower (2004) found that since the 70s, satisfaction in life has decreased and flatlined in both the US and Britain. Its hard to demonstrate correlation, however studies show how the more egalitarian a couple is, the more conflict within the relationship and the lesser lifespan expected (Kaufman, 2000). Science is limited in its ability to prove that people are less happy in relationships but it does show that conflict is increased and length of the relationship is decreased. This may be an indication that satisfaction levels are lower. "Our relationships are not publicly influenced" "My opponent so far has failed to show how public attitudes can effect private relationships" Now this is gross misconception, but a common one. I think "can"t see the wood for the tree"s" is the quickest way to explain your error here; in my view. You think your not influenced by the wider society in your relationship? I would go out on a limb here and suggest that 90% of your relationships" experiences, opinions and practices are publicly influenced. Let me explain: Are you monogamous or do you have a large number of husbands/boyfriends? What about your partner, are you one of his wives? If not then you fit into a minority of cultural practices in which the two person relationship is the norm " namely Christian cultures. So there"s one way in which your influenced by the public. What about ownership? Are you owned by your husband? No? well that"s odd by traditional standards: why do you do it like that and not the normal way? Because the public has changed its mind perhaps? Or is it you, if you lived in the middle ages would you know better, from your gender studies in medieval sixth form collage? Do you wear a veil? Why? Why not? Is your husband the only man who is allowed to look at you, or not? Why not? Do you share everything equally or is one expected to more/less of anything? How do you divide the labour? Whatever practices and beliefs you hold, they have come from the society. No person is an island. Women who wear the Niqab or Hijab say the same as you: that it is their choice and an expression of their individualism and freedom. Everybody feels like the decisions they make are their own and that they are individuals who are pure and un-sculpted by their society. Many argue that the more people feel this way, the more they are influenced by it! It is simply not true to say that our relationships are not publicly influenced. And I think its fairly self-evident from what I have eluded and from looking at the world that relationships are effected by public attitude. Stop tacking my relationship onto you barely coherent "observations" of relationships I don"t want to descend into an argument over grammar, but I recommend being careful when insulting someone"s grammar to not absolutely butcher the sentence insulting my ability to write sentences lol. I wouldn't be surprised if my opponents opinions stem from a bad relationship experience he had, and he's still seething with rage, and this is some kind of attempt at a philosophical temper tantrum as an outlet for his anger (or he has some deep seated "mommy issues") nevertheless, his arguments are baseless, illogical, and rather unflattering. I'm embarrassed AT him! This is spot on well done. Except for the mommy issues I think, or perhaps they are unconscious I don"t know! I am still with the spouse that turned me from staunch feminist to misogynist if your interested, she is locked in the basement now with my two daughters who are to be my wives. Now that"s my choice and I certainly don"t let public opinion influence my attitude to relationships! Seriously though, my opinion has been formed over an eight year relationship with marriage and two children and I think its hard for anyone to have a legitimate opinion on these matters without such an experience; not that this experience gives you the right opinion, I am not suggesting I am right because of my experience. But this experience, as well as researching this issue for a study and hearing many conflicting opinions, has led me to this conclusion. I would like to point out, if it helps my standing, that I have been a staunch feminist all my life until about 6 months ago; so I am sincere and well rounded in my opinion. My relationship experience has taught me however, to get back on track, that women are better suited to childcare and housekeeping. My partner takes far more pride in appearance than I do, and this is common across the board, she loves furnishings, decoration and patterns, to make the house look attractive: she will dress the kids smartly and always dislikes how I dress them: she will sit for ages and clean their ears, pick spots, etc and has the patience to play for prolonged periods and be comforting. I will do shorter sessions of play but mine will be task oriented such as cooking or building something, while she will put up with their nonsensical games (equally valuable). I look to the future and thus have dietary restrictions and savings accounts in mind; I will say when we have the money to go on holiday, then she can be in charge of that. She lives in the moment and will have fun, and I will check that by making sure we don"t spend to much money and eat loads of junk food etc. I also run a business and look to expand it to make a profit for the family to continue having fun. My wife however is extremely emotional at times and it causes arguments that can spur out of control because of irrationality on my partners part. This, every man, and I mean every man (over the age of 22) (please if you"re a man in the comments back me up on this) admits to overly frequent "crazy" behaviour on the part of their spouse. My argument basically boils down to this: In many ways feminism encourages the attitude that women can do all the things that men can do (as well as men) and that feminine attributes are somehow lesser in value than masculine attributes and should not be praised. Could I be right in suggesting that your reaction to housekeeping and childcare supports my point? If I had said: "better suited to having a career and making money" you might not have had a problem. What is wrong with raising children I ask you? What is wrong with taking pride in your and your families appearance, and that of your dwelling? Ironically it is feminism that, nowadays, attacks womanhood-at least in this way. Teaching women to be ashamed of doing housework and raising children full time has disrupted the natural balance of duties and roles within the household. Studies show how egalitarian households experience higher levels of conflict, which leads to a lack of stability and shorter relationships. This is a negative impact on relationships. Equality is expected, and no laws should compel this sort of behaviour, but my argument is that feminism negatively impacts relationships and, in this way, I believe it has.

  • PRO

    I know the Rocky's speech very well and I understand...

    The new Pantene ad feminist ad "not sorry" is a terrible ad and a bad influence of feminism.

    My argument is that this campaign could effect feminism and society negatively. It is common to say sorry when you interrupt when someone is talking. Same for the woman entering the office. Pantene is trying to say that those women's personalities are subservient. But really they're just being considerate. I know the Rocky's speech very well and I understand sometimes you can't be sorry in life and have to stand up. But we are not talking about life and death, but basic daily manners. Such as saying good morning to your neighbors and such. I admire people who is strong and would stand up for themselves, but it doesn't mean that is an excuse not to apologize at times when necessary. It worries me that highschool or middle school females use this campaign as an excuse to forbid "sorry" in their sentences. It is not only senseless but gives a bad influence on our idea of basic manner.

  • PRO

    This is an important debate topic that can be sometimes...

    Feminism is necessary

    This is an important debate topic that can be sometimes difficult to discuss. I am here because I am a proud feminist and I am the head of my debate team so I am forming my arguments. Please be respectful. I know there are only 2000 characters available. That is because I believe this debate can be held without extremely long arguments. There are also multiple rounds so there will be a chance to say everything you want to say. Please keep in mind that this is meant to be a respectful debate. I'd like to thank whoever takes this debate ahead of time and say good luck :).

CON

  • CON

    Also in the UK, one in four women suffers domestic...

    Feminism has no more battles left to fight. Victories such as gaining the vote, the right to an abo...

    Feminism has plenty more to achieve. In the UK, on average women earn 82% of men’s hourly wage; female graduates earn 19% less than their male counterparts; female pensioners live on 53% of the income of male pensioners. Also in the UK, one in four women suffers domestic violence, and an increase in the reporting of rape in the last thirty years has gone alongside a threefold drop in conviction rates. Worldwide, women do two-thirds of all work, earn one-tenth of all income and own one-hundredth of all property. Two-thirds of the world’s illiterate people are women. 300 million women have no access to contraception. More than 80% of the world’s 50 million refugees and displaced people are women and children. Every year, 2 million girls under 16 are coerced, abducted or trafficked into the sex industry. These are all real problems, on which feminists continue to campaign - as they should.

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  • CON

    The problem I see here is that people vaguely talk about...

    Feminism is Necessary

    What rights are afforded to men that aren"t afforded to women? The problem I see here is that people vaguely talk about inequality between the sexes and such but I need specific examples of sexism. Show me the specific acts of sexism so we can fight them together.

  • CON

    Not what was actually said. ......

    Modern Feminism

    I will admit i forgot to post evidence about molly shattucks case, which i will put the link for at the end of this argument. You did manage to ignore several valid points in my last post, that came from basic logic and reasoning, but i will say you didn't post a whole lot supporting your claims, specifically the origin of the word hysterical, , actually your only sources that supported your argument were statistics, one of which would not load on my computer, i also could not find anything in your argument about drugs or alcohol playing a roll in any rapes. All the hypocrisy aside i will provide an argument for its own sake. Before i begin i would like to point out that if feminists do support equality and equal rights, why are they called feminists? The word itself leans towards an ideology of women being superior, if they were about equality they would be called equalists, or something with no bias towards women or men. This is not the case. 1-women in government- Recent polling has found that 76 percent of voters agreed that it does not matter whether the candidate is a woman or a man, and 19 percent said that it would actually make them vote for the woman.Voters actually perceive them as hardworking and less corruptible. 26 percent of women candidates ran for the job. again, proving my point that less women run for the position of president or a place in congress, and that their interest has actually dropped in the last ten years in pursuing one. Men's interest appears to have stayed the same.(nymag.com) The reason again, people not voting for Clinton simply don't find her qualified and hypocritical. Women who are qualified will always beat a man who is not qualified or less qualified, it depends on the woman herself, how skilled she is and how hard she works, and what the employer needs and if she fits the professional criteria for the position. the question is not man or woman, the question is who is qualified and works harder. This is proven by looking into the past, and how women are more common in hire up positions and politics than they once were, and how far they have come, since women's suffrage. 2-women's objectification Why would they be trying to sell women's clothes to men? Ads on tv with completely nude women are not allowed to air, so no, i can't say i have noticed that. There are plenty of ads that are so called, "objectifying" men, and make us look like muscular skinny, cold hearted sob's. This again, is simply advertising, it is how companies sell their product, and how they make money, is on how they advertise. Food commercials use the same tactic, portraying their product so people can see it and so they want to buy it, but they are not using certain angles or set ups so that it will be more appealing, they advertise it how it is and nothing more. People may interpret it a certain way, as with clothes or makeup, that it will make them look a certain way or that they need to, but that is their interpretation. Not what was actually said. About the young girl wearing yoga pants, any objectifying found in that example is of their own finding. Wearing something that is revealing is going to catch the eye of a pervert, or pedophile, simply because those people are out their lurking is why they should consider not wearing them. That is not objectification, that is mental illness and criminal thinking and interest. Women objectify themselves and shift the blame onto men. By looking in a mirror and saying, :i am not pretty enough." and using make up and revealing clothing is self objectification. Yes, you indeed are responsible for this concept, it is a product of low self esteem, common in young ages and that my friend is why men objectifying women is an imaginary concept. A lot of men, including myself, recognize that women have feelings and ideas and are just as valid of a person as any man is. The difference is between a man, and an @sshole. The latter being someone who thinks solely of himself and treats men and women equally negative. 3-respect- You somehow managed to ignore everything about false rape accusations which infer that women do have more general respect. Or the fact that they have doors opened for them when entering or leaving a building, or that they have cheaper insurance, or that if a man where to hit a woman, he would have all hell dropped on his head legally and physically by anybody watching and able to intervene. where as a woman hitting a man would be looked over, in fact men face harsher punishments compared to women who committed the same crime. i will post a link from Realsexism.com at the end of this for you to explore the subject of how men are treated worse than women. 4-rape/rape culture Now i will begin by asking where the threat of immediate rape is, from cat calling, if most rapes start from a friend or someone previously known? Not gonna belabor anything here, just simply stating a contradiction. What exactly is your point here? All I see are statistics stating more women get raped then men do. While i think it might be fair to say this is true in some cases, it isn't in every case. In prison, A lot of men get raped, in fact it would make a compareable statistic to how many women are raped outside of prison, I can't find an exact number for how many women are raped yearly, but according to the daily mail, " In 2008 it was estimated that 21600 inmates were sexually assaulted while serving time, according to DOJ figures. That is comparable to the 90,479 rape cases outside of prison." I don't think a resolution for this is teaching boys not to rape, most know this, and know what they are doing when they rape is wrong. it is the fact that some are mentally ill and have criminal mindset. Women might consider learning self defense tactics and carry self defense items, as well as avoiding and DE-escalating situations, and know that these sick individuals are lurking. Nobody jokes about raping women, it is not talked up by men, it is not condoned by anyone, it seriously is those with issues that have not been addressed. 5-hysterical You provided no source for this, again, so I should ignore it, with your logic. I will pick it apart for the sake of it though. I have never thought that is a logical thing to do, and now-a-days would be laughed at and scoffed by any right-minded or educated individual. Considering you said yourself, "many do not know they origin of the word," I would definitely say the idea is not around anymore. 6-false rape accusations. False rape accusations happen a lot, and is as common as rape itself. Mediaradar.org reports that, "A review of 556 rape accusations filed against Air Force personnel found that 27% of women later recanted. Then 25 criteria were developed based on the profile of those women, and then submitted to three independent reviewers to review the remaining cases. If all three reviewers deemed the allegation was false, it was categorized as false. As a result, 60% of all allegations were found to be false.1 Of those women who later recanted, many didn't admit the allegation was false until just before taking a polygraph test. Others admitted it was false only after having failed a polygraph test" proof is right there. Makes me scared sometimes, and floors me that someone could be so sociopathic and psychotic to accuse someone of something so horrible. 6-You as well barely provided sources other than a few statistics for rape, you may also consider not throwing empty assumptions at your opponent as you have advised me to do. http://www.dailymail.co.uk... http://nymag.com...# https://www.washingtonpost.com... http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

  • CON

    But both are not equal victims; just because both males...

    Feminism is not needed in America anymore and is corrupting some minds.

    [1] Pro: "They may be a victim of sexism but so are men." But both are not equal victims; just because both males and females are harmed by the system does *not* mean both are equally harmed. [2.1] Many different people have used many different equations to determine the wage gap. Some find it to be 77 some find it to be 82 some find it to be 91 so that may show that the whole wage gap is misleading. (A) The different numbers come from (i) changes in time and (ii) regression of variables that reduce women's wages. They aren't misleading; they're fundamentally different numbers. One is the raw difference; another accounts for certain differences between men and women. The crucial bit, though, is that most of the "differences" between men and women are culture-based and thus unnecessary bias, of the kind feminism fights. (B) Regardless of what occurs, the wage gap *exists*. [2.2] Also, women fresh out of college no family actually make more than men. So the "wage gap" is actually effecting men. (A) Do they? Because the AAUW study found that "[w]omen working full time earned $35,296 on average, while men working full time earned $42,918[.]". [2.3] Also, I do not have a reliable source for this but I heard that they do not determine the "wage gap" on the actual jobs but the job fields. If this is true then the wage gap is not creditable. (A) Sorry, what do you mean? [2.4] And when you say how the mom is the one who takes care of the kid. No one makes her take care of the child after she has given birth. (A) ... Except societal norms. Women are effectively forced by society into taking care of their children, through their education, through their peers, and through their reduced earning potential. [2.5] God made women the ones who give birth and we can not change that but no one is making the women the ones who care for children. (A) Is-ought fallacy. Just because women do/did most parenting duties, does not mean they ought to. [2.6] Adoption or ask the father. (A) Is adoption really reasonable, when all you're asking for is equal time spent parenting? (B) Women *do* ask. Yet fathers disproportionately fail to do so. [3.1] Rape culture does not exist. (A) Oh? [6][7] [3.2] Yes more women are raped then men but that does not change the fact the men are raped too. (A) Again: Disfortune does not imply equal disfortune. [3.3] The fact is that both genders are raped and its horrible I don't see how the statics of male compared to female rape victims matters. (A) It shows that males still exercise disproportionate power over female. In a truly equal society, we'd see near-equal rates of rape for males and females, as disgusting as that sounds. [3.4] Also, yes they may have set up rape centers but they base these centers on women not as much men. (A) tfw feminists led to the definitional change in 2010 wherein rape was redefined to include men [8] (B) Maybe more women need help after rape *because more women are raped*? [4] Response to 4) I'm not saying men are 60% more skilled i'm saying the men that are in the government are just more skilled at the moment than the women who are challenging them. What I mean by this is that pick the more skilled person. Yes women are 50% of the population but does that mean we should hire women just because they are women. No, we should hire based on skill. If a man has more skill for a job that is male dominated then why not hire the man? If a women has a better skill level for a job that is female dominated hire the female. Don't hire based on gender or race but on skill. (A) The problem is that the disparity is so large. Why are women only 20% of governence? You must offer evidence that women are (and have been) disproportionately less skilled than men at governing / running for office / etc. [6] http://thehumanist.com... [7] http://rationalwiki.org... [8] http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

  • CON

    I deliberately chose not to directly debunk your theories...

    Women leaders have a secret agenda to establish a Matriarchy, using feminism as a guiding force

    Thank you, Con. I apologize for not being able to submit my 2 counterclaims in on time. I also apologize for not realizing that you were excluding non-1st-world countries; I was misled when you said that the patriarchal system has been threatened “especially” by 1st world countries. I deliberately chose not to directly debunk your theories of matriarchy because it doesn’t and cannot even exist, especially when gender equality hasn’t even yet been achieved (which is again why we still need feminism and why it is so prevalent in current society). A majority of what you’re arguing about matriarchy is based purely on poorly supported or uneducated conjectures, not on concrete facts. But regardless of whether or not I refer to 1st world countries or non-1st-world-countries, my point remains unchanged. Gender inequality still exists all around the globe, and that undeniably includes USA, Britain, France, etc. On the 2014 Global Gender Gap Index’s gender pay gap rankings, where countries are ranked from 0 (inequality) to 1 (equality), no country--of course including all 1st world countries--has a 1. According to the Inter-Parliamentary Union, a world org. of 166 parliaments, US has only about 20% in both the House and the Senate; UK has about 23% in parliament; Canada, only 28%; and Japan, 12% (more: http://www.ipu.org...). When you commented on when I apparently accused women of sluts, please reread what I said. None of what I said about the matter indicated that I myself thought of them as sluts, or that I myself pointed to men as evil for seeing them that way. I had indirectly referred to society in general, not myself. And yes, Martial Law allows a presidential to temporarily strip citizens of their constitutional RIGHTS, but the electoral college is not a right. The college, the elections, etc. is a part of the workings of the government, so the powers of the Martial Law would not be able to encompass such a power that exceeds what it is limited to. That would be seen as abuse of power, and again, be grounds for impeachment. To eliminate the electoral college altogether requires a bill, which must directly go through the very difficult obstacles that are the Senate and Congress, and indirectly through the public. Additionally, Martial Law deals with criminals and military matters and exists only to maintain order, so eliminating the electoral college would only incite disorder and thus wouldn’t be authorized under Martial Law. In fact, Lincoln exercised Martial Law by suspending habeas corpus during the Civil War; however, the Supreme Court found it too extreme and ruled it unconstitutional. This is how our government works. Checks and balances. Since presidents and any politician in general requires the support of the public for their legislations to pass, to lie and keep secrets from the public would be counterproductive. Any political advances towards matriarchy would easily be eliminated as long as a significant amount of people continue to believe that feminism stands for equality, as long as equality still ceases to exist, and frankly, as long as people remain sane. Thousands of bills go through Congress a year and only a very small percentage actually become passed (through severe lobbying, especially by interest groups, and public support), most even become altered through the process.

  • CON

    Men, on average, are physically larger than women. ......

    Resolved: Modern American Feminism is Both Correct and Needed

    Since I am arguing against the motion. I am simply going to respond to Pro's points. Underrepresentation of Women in Positions of Power The main first point that my opponent makes is that women are underrepresented in positions of power relative to their share of the total population. Though one can quibble with the exact figures, this is indisputably true in the larger picture. However, it is not true that discrimination against women or any sort of systematic sexism is the cause of this. Indeed, a basic fallacy underlies so much discourse over gender. This fallacy is that any field that doesn't have 50% or more women in it is simply that way due to sexism. This is a relatively ridiculous position. And, it is interesting that feminists only apply this ridiculous standard to desirable positions. For example, you very seldom here feminists mention that the most undesirable, isolated, and dangerous occupations are also overwhelmingly male. In fact, they are even more overwhelmingly male than top executive positions and other positions of power. If we look at the 5 occupations with the highest occupational fatality rates (such as logging and roofers), all five are well over 90% male [1]. This leads to over 93% of occupational fatalities being male [1]. Again, it is very seldom that anyone hears feminists talking about this gender gap. It's also odd that a society and job market supposedly set up to the advantage of men also delegates its most dangerous jobs to largely men. Of course, a more astute observer may posit that something else is at work. They would be correct. Not every gender disparity actually has much to do with sexism or discrimination at all. Once people simply observe that men and women are different (on average) in terms of both priorities and skillsets, these gender disparities start to make a lot more sense than the feminist position of patriarchal oppression being the root cause of all disparities. The reality is that humans are a sexually dimorphic species [2]. Men, on average, are physically larger than women. They're also more competitive, more violent, more likely to take risks, more likely to be leaders, and more interested in objective ideas. Women, on the other hand, are physically smaller than men on average. They're less competitive, less violent, more risk averse, less interested in leadership of large organizations, and more interested in emotional connection [3]. Beyond the biological differencs between men and women, there are also differences in social pressure. This may seem like a point in favor of feminism (as feminists often argue this), but in fact they are wrong about the nature of this as well. In fact, social pressure often merely amplifies differences between groups that already eminate from biology. It is also untrue that women face more unfair social pressure than do men. For example, traditionally, both social pressure and biological evolutionary pressure pushed men to focus more on being protectors and providers who strive for alpha male status in whatever environment they are in. This competitive drive that exists more in men than in women due to differences in reproductive capacity is a much more likely explanation for the high proporiton of men in both positions of power and dangerous occupations [4]. Women, on the other hand, had evolutionary pressure to be caretakers and focus more on preserving their own physical beauty (which is in fact, evolutionarily, a woman's main attribute). These realities did, in older societies, have the effect of limiting both genders. However, a large part of these differences is simply human nature. No matter how feminist our society becomes, they will exist even if there is no sexism whatsoever. Reproductive Fairness My opponent also says that women lack agency over their bodies. This is simply untrue. I'd like to see my opponent expand on this so I could have something to respond to. To the degree that slut shaming even exists in America, again, this goes back to the biological realities. I'm not even saying that it is fair, but feminist brainwashing isn't going to fix it. Human's evolved without paternity tests so a promiscuous woman was more likely to cuckold an unsuspecting husband or society may even be stuck with the costs. At the same time, given that women are the pickier sex when it comes to sex, there is nothing particularly impressive about a promiscuous woman. On the contrary, a promiscuous man at least has to be sexually attractive in order to get women. The same is not true for women. When it comes to abortion, it is currently legal. Even those who oppose abortion only oppose it on the grounds that they believe life begins at conception and thus abortion is ending a life. Even if you disagree with that, it is hard to argue that it has anything to do with restricting women. It is about the sanctity of life (if you are pro life). I look forward to my opponent's response. This should be a good debate. 1.) http://www.aei.org... 2.) https://en.wikipedia.org... 3.) https://www.psychologytoday.com... 4.) https://en.wikipedia.org...

  • CON

    That is just one basic observable scientific fact about...

    Feminism is a flawed ideology and has made women much more miserable

    Well I see that your sexist ideas have finally revealed themselves. I think we now know the real reason why you don't like feminist. You Said "I don't need to go to the Sun to know that it is hot" What a lazy analogy. That is not really a good comparison. That is just one basic observable scientific fact about the sun. The mind of a feminist is not one basic observable fact. It's a web of unobservable facts because you're not a mind reader. So we can just chuck this line of thinking out the window. You Said "Prove to me that all feminists believe in equality" I don't have to. Your topic is about feminism's ideology. Feminist ideology is about equality for woman. Furthermore, The majority of feminists believe in this ideology. You Said "You will find there are thousands of them" Thousands isn't really an impressive number considering there's billions of people on earth. This just further proves that you're lumping them into one category for your own personal agenda. You Said "Men earn the money, " Painful. I think you just shot yourself in the foot here. Did you ever ask yourself why the men earn the money? Maybe it's because women have been forced into gender roles up until recently in history. If you look at numbers after That is just one basic observable scientific fact about the sun. The mind of a feminist is not one basic observable fact. It's a web of unobservable facts because you're not a mind reader. So we can just chuck this line of thinking out the window. You Said "Prove to me that all feminists believe in equality" I don't have to. Your topic is about feminism's ideology. Feminist ideology is about equality for woman. Furthermore, The majority of feminists believe in this ideology. You Said "You will find there are thousands of them" Thousands isn't really an impressive number considering there's billions of people on earth. This just further proves that you're lumping them into one category for your own personal agenda. You Said "Men earn the money, " Painful. I think you just shot yourself in the foot here. Did you ever ask yourself why the men earn the money? Maybe it's because women have been forced into gender roles up until recently in history. If you look at numbers after feminism took off, The woman's role in the workplace has sky rocketed. The rest of the statements are just a long list of sexist ideas. I think they speak for themselves, So I don't really need to address them. You said "Women are already equal to men" Yes, You got one right. Good job. The problem is that while they may be equal, They are not treated as such. Your previous monologue is a great example of that. You said "Your frivolous attitude proves that your greatest weapon is dismissing others' argument without a shred of statistics or evidence" Lies. My argument is clearly highlighted in my first statement as it always is. I use that argument until someone can debunk one or more of them (which you haven't) and I revise my points if that happens. My argument is that you're lumping feminists into one specific definition that only applies to a small minority of feminists and that you can't read minds and therefore you cannot make any truth claims about what they're views are. It would be like saying that I was automatically pro choice just because I'm a democrat. There's no logic behind it. If you want to make personal attacks, I don't care. I've already expressed what I think of your irrational ways, So it's fair game. But as fair as the arguments go, You're not living up to your burden of proof. Adios