PRO

  • PRO

    The Obama-Biden cap-and-trade policy will require all...

    The U. S. adopting Cap and Trade will have a significant effect on climate.

    >I thank my opponent for his response and continuation of this debate. >My opponent has notified you, reader, that nature has climate change at 0. For the purposes of this debate, however, climate change at its current rate is about +1.6 degrees Fahrenheit per 50 years (as I have already established). >My opponent established that the US adoption of Obama Cap and Trade will not have a significant effect on climate ON ITS OWN. He then goes on to say that the rest of the plan cannot be used in this debate. This is where my opponent is wrong. Though the title of this debate is actually "The U. S. adopting Cap and Trade will have a significant effect on climate," my opponent cannot prove that the US adopting this will not have an affect on the other countries on Earth. Barack Obama's website achieves this in saying: "Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050. The Obama-Biden cap-and-trade policy will require all pollution credits to be auctioned, and proceeds will go to investments in a clean energy future, habitat protections, and rebates and other transition relief for families. Make the U.S. a Leader on Climate Change. Obama and Biden will re-engage with the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCC) -- the main international forum dedicated to addressing the climate problem. They will also create a Global Energy Forum of the world's largest emitters to focus exclusively on global energy and environmental issues." This is exactly as it appears on the Obama website (http://my.barackobama.com...). Obama obviously wants to achieve one through the other. His goal is to " Make the U.S. a Leader on Climate Change" and "create a Global Energy Forum of the world's largest emitters to focus exclusively on global energy and environmental issues" by first "[Implementing] an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050" (in the US). Therefore, Obama's dealing with the UN are relevant towards this debate. >I accept all of my opponent's calculations with one addition (which I mentioned last round): 0.25 – 0.118584 = 0.131416 This is the remaining needed amount of climate change (which will be global). Again, as I have already said: 82.4 – 27 = 55.4(%) 0.45(0.554) = 0.2493 0.131416/0.2493 = 45.8(%) Because the above calculations still apply to this debate, Obama needs to create at least 45.8% of a difference in emissions under the assumption that he plans to create this conference for just 10 countries. If the number of countries is more, the percentage need is less. >Now that my opponent is apparently at least partially satisfied with the mathematics behind Cap and Trade, we will discuss how it will work and if it will work. My opponent claims that the Obama Cap and Trade plan is impractical because it will be a detriment to oil and gas companies. 4 of the top 5 US corporations in revenue are oil and gas companies (I am counting Shell even though it is technically based in the Netherlands). They can afford to lose some of their billions of dollars of profit to keep global warming in check. Jobs will not go overseas because the income of theses companies would still be extremely high. >I again thank my opponent for his timely responses and wish him luck in his last rebuttal.

  • PRO

    Burning CO2 emits more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere...

    Burning coal emits carbon dioxide and harms climate.

    Burning CO2 emits more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than any other energy source. It is, therefore, a major contributor to climate change.

  • PRO

    We should reduce our use of fossil fuels anyway

    Climate Change is the end of the world

    We should reduce our use of fossil fuels anyway

  • PRO

    The significant bulk of scientific research says it is...

    Climate Change is the end of the world

    The significant bulk of scientific research says it is happening

  • PRO

    Your arguments seem to fly all over the place, I can only...

    Climate Change is real and caused by humans and can/should be stopped!

    I am surprised that such a novice at debate and at fact, yet you have such a large vocabulary. Your arguments seem to fly all over the place, I can only compare it to the videos on "illuminate confirmed" that to be funny try to find connections between pretty much everything and the illuminate. You explained that Your arguments seem to fly all over the place, I can only compare it to the videos on "illuminate confirmed" that to be funny try to find connections between pretty much everything and the illuminate. You explained that climate change is not real by explaining evolution isn't real and you explained ozone isn't real by saying the earth isn't more than a couple thousand years old. When you are wrong or made a mistake in your argument instead of admitting it (a mistake about how you formed your argument), you are arrogant and reply with some vulgar word. You seem to believe that nothing can exist without you or the church seeing it, or without someone physically seeing it. This is false, if a tree falls in the forest with no one there to hear it, does it still make a sound? YES. If there is a lightning storm, and no one is there to hear the clap of thunder, does it still happen? YES! I refuse to argue with someone that cannot argue against the current subject with any tactic besides somehow changing the subject or by saying you don't see it so it can't be real or by forming something from your imagination or form somewhere you read online (such as your fire example, fire needs oxygen, but it does not take in unlimited amounts, unless the planets atmosphere was for the most part lacking oxygen, fire would not be attracted to leaves as they don't need a new source of oxygen, they are getting there need).

  • PRO

    We could also find out years from now that children...

    Jail climate change deniers.

    We could also find out years from now that children aren't harmed in the production of child porn even though the evidence right now is substantial and overwhelming children are being harmed by child porn. Even though that remote possibility exists it does not mean we shouldn't jail child pornographers.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Jail-climate-change-deniers./1/
  • PRO

    We can't in good conscience risk the lives of potentially...

    Jail climate change deniers.

    We can't in good conscience risk the lives of potentially hundreds of millions of people because of an extremely remote chance the scientific consensus is wrong. You want both sides to be able to debate-- but there is nothing really to debate

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Jail-climate-change-deniers./1/

CON

  • CON

    Ok so my opponent conceded the first 2 rounds of the...

    Donald Trump thinks climate change is a hoax.

    Ok so my opponent conceded the first 2 rounds of the debate and decided to bring a completely new contention the very last round. The problem here is that he also basically concedes that if I were to demonstrate that Trump is greedy enough to just not care about it then that's sufficient to win the debate. A quick Google search reveals an article in which Trump literally states "I am very greedy" [1] It's a well known fact that Trunp is excessively greedy, he even says it himself. He's a businessman who brags about his wealth constantly. Why not assume that he's greedy enough to do this? My opponent doesn't provide any counter evidence to his immense greed over the course of the debate and concedes that he'll go to excessive measures for more power so I suggest that this refutes his contentions. Thank you. [1] http://thehill.com...

  • CON

    1] In other words, it is a naturally occurring gas that...

    Climate Change is driven by human CO2 emissions

    My opponent as PRO has the BOP, this shall not be negotiated. Definitions: CO2 emissions: "emissions of CO2 from burning oil, coal and gas for energy use. Carbon dioxide also enters the Atmosphere from burning wood and waste materials and from some industrial processes such as cement production. Emissions of CO2 from these sources are a relatively small part of global emissions and are not included in these statistics."[1] In other words, it is a naturally occurring gas that supposedly causes the majority of global warming. ==> What we argue <== PRO (my opponent) argues these CO2 emissions cause global warming (which we assume exists). CON argues that global warming is primarily controlled by human emissions. In this debate I must provide a time frame. The little ice age - present. 1st round acceptance by PRO. No abusive arguments please. [1] http://www.wikiprogress.org...

  • CON

    Second of all, in Round 2 you tried to disregard my...

    Manmade global climate change is real and a threat.

    First of all, what scientists say dis irrelevant, scientists used to think that the earth is flat, and even today they are telling us that GMO's are safe, even though foreign scientists have proven time and time againthat they are in fact not safe. Yet, this is the general concensus. Second of all, in Round 2 you tried to disregard my citation that global tempartures are in fact dropping because "newsmax is a conservative news site," as if someone being a conservative automatically discredits them. So this is prettty much just an ad-hominim attack. I could say that because all your citations are highly liberal that they are false. Either way, you claim that CO2 levels are increasing, which is true, and that tempartures are increasing, which is partialy true. But you are yet to prove that these temparture increases are caused by CO2 emmissions. I could say that since 1700 the number of Pirates on the high seas have decreased while global warming has increased, therefor pirates reduce the global temparture. Also do the math, if 3.25% of CO2 emmissions are man made, and 0.04% of ouratmosphere is CO2, {1} then the global temparture can only increase by 0.0013% as a result of CO2 emmissions. Mathmatically speaking, it makes no sense that such a small influence on the atmosphere can cause gobal warming. And look at this graph: It looks like the tempartures are increasing t a rapid rate, but if you accountfor the highest temparture anomaly we have is less than 1 degree celcius, and that it has developed over 76 years, then the idea of global warming being a threat to humanity is shewn to be completely absurd. {1}. https://en.wikipedia.org...

  • CON

    Tempartures are dropping: http://www.newsmax.com... How...

    Manmade global climate change is real and a threat.

    Tempartures are dropping: http://www.newsmax.com... How can the world be heating up if it is warming up? And why is Antartic Sea Ice growing? https://www.nasa.gov...

  • CON

    Global Temparture and solar activity: And here is manmade...

    Manmade global climate change is real and a threat.

    Global Temparture and solar activity: And here is manmade co2 emmissions compared to natural co2 emmissions: CO2 emmissions are a byproduct of capitalism, which creates wealth and a higher quality of living for people around the globe, co2 emmissions also create more plantlife. So by arguing for reduced co2 emmissions my opponent is arguing for global poverty and deforestation.

  • CON

    https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com... You make a...

    Manmade global climate change is real and a threat.

    Your first argument, "Carbon dioxide is at 404.48 parts per million and the temperature has increased 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit since 1880." That is not a scientific argument. It is a correlation. There is no REAL evidence to suggest that Co2 impact temperature. Especially when 25% of all Co2 produced by man has been released in the last 20 years and in that time there has been NO NET WARMING!!! You also make it sound like 1.4 degrees is what was predicted by the models showing Co2 causing temperature. I wasn't. https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com... You make a reference to cigarette companies. Please remember that we are talking about Man Made Global Warming, not cigarettes. Keep your own habits to yourself. Al Gores, "The Inconvenient Truth" predicted that all the arctic ice caps would be melted by 2013. In case you haven't noticed, the ice caps are still there. He also predicted the polar bears would all have died out by now. That hasn't happened. https://si.wsj.net... In fact, polar bear populations have risen by 20,000 in the last 55 years. Al Gores, "The Inconvenient Truth" was riddles with lies and misinformation: You should get your info from real sources and not manipulated scientific documentaries.

  • CON

    This all i have to say to win here. ... Look at the...

    Human caused climate change is total nonsense

    This all i have to say to win here. Look at the evidence by real scientists, Credible sources, It all backs me up, There, I won

  • CON

    Scientific FACTS. ... You petty ignorant little peasant,...

    Human caused climate change is total nonsense

    All you have is names and insults, And what do i have? Scientific FACTS. You petty ignorant little peasant, I have all the science homeboy

  • CON

    There is a mountain of evidence, The only monkey here is...

    Human caused climate change is total nonsense

    There is a mountain of evidence, The only monkey here is you

  • CON

    But as for the rest of my argument i believe you, you are...

    Climate change is both real and a serious issue

    As I finished writing and submitted my argument i later realized the exact point about the polar caps that you mentioned, and i concede that your right about that, but i still stand firm in my point that the polar caps aren't melting in fact they are growing and my evidence is in the link in my last post. But as for the rest of my argument i believe you, you are right and as I read your points i re read my sources and realized that they don't quite say what i wanted them to. i also cannot find any actual evidence that humans aren't the cause, so I concede, Good work Pro i enjoyed the debate and im sorry i cant finish it, i simply see your side now and cant find evidence against it. Im sure others could argue this into the ground but i dont see the point. Good Job, i would like to b=debate with you more later preferably a different topic. Good Job, You Win