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  • PRO

    Also to say I would not have to define detrimental that...

    Is Human Activity an addition to increased Global Warming/Climate Change

    Just for clarification when I say human activity I mean the activity to the addition of climate change, as you could see by the evidence I used. What level of change contributes to climate change would be the rising temperatures. Since that humans release so much C02 and pollute the air it contributes to warming the planet. The EPA predicts in the next 100 years global temperatures will rise by 2 degrees. Now you may say that isn't much but that will cause the melting of the ice caps which will cause rising sea levels which will sink cities, as National Geographic reports. As you said that not all human activities cause Global warming, I acknowledged that in my evidence but as I will state again NASA reports that humans have increased atmospheric C02 emissions by a third since the industrial revolution, and the largest known contribution is fossil fuels, WHICH IS DONE BY HUMANS. My evidence shows more than that humans expel more C02 than any other species, in my evidence you can clearly see that these levels are detrimental. As I said Water shortages, food shortages, Ocean Acidification, the evidence is all there. Also to say I would not have to define detrimental that word is of common knowledge and if you can't accept that I'm sorry you're too incompetent. So I have won this debate because you have not even stated one piece of evidence that goes against my case, and your entire argument is on not defining common knowledge terms so for these reasons this is why Pro as won this debate.

  • PRO

    In Germany, heat waves have actually been shown to reduce...

    Climate Change Is Not an Imminent Danger

    I would like tothank Citrakayah for presenting his arguments. Before I begin my rebuttals, I would like to confirm that I deny the existance of short-term (i.e. right now) global warming. (NOTE: Unfortunately, the graphs feature won't work. Please see: http://www.debate.org... and look at the last five pictures (numbers are in order)) I. Public Health My opponent is working on a hypothetical here – that just because global warming is happening means that tropical disease rates will increase. However, as I have shown, over the next few decades, temperatures should decrease, meaning a "decrease" in tropical disease rates. But even if the planet was warming, there shouldn’t be a cause for concern over higher disease rates. Over the last century, tropical disease rates have not correlated with global warming. Take, for example, malaria. Rates of malaria have decreased (or were marginally affected) in almost all locations around the globe, even as temperatures have risen (Graph 1; [1]). The fact is that malaria does not really care about temperature. When the world was cooler during the "Little Ice Age", malaria was far more rampant than it ever has been today. Even though the Earth has warmed in the 20th century, tropical disease rates are at all time lows.[2] Really, these diseases aren’t tropical. Even in the 20th century, Archangel, Russia was having 10,000+ deaths from malaria.[3] The correlation just isn’t there. Science reports that the supposed correlation between tropical disease and global warming is "purely speculative".[4][5] "A warm climate is a necessary condition for the mosquitoes that can carry malaria and dengue fever but is not a sufficient condition for the diseases to become epidemic."[2] What really causes epidemics is improper regulations and poverty. For example, in Peru, when water chlorination was banned, cholera cases skyrocketed. In Sri Lanka, when DDT was banned, malaria cases skyrocketed. Or take Singapore and Malaysia. They are in the same general location, but Singapore had zero malaria deaths and Malaysia had 36853 cases of it.[3] It is clear that tropical disease rates correlate with improper regulations and poverty, not global warming. As for the increased amount of heat waves, more heat is actually beneficial, as I mentioned in the last round. In Germany, heat waves have actually been shown to reduce mortality rates, while cold spells significantly increase them.[6][7] For the UK, "For the UK, the Keatinge studies show heat-related deaths caused by global warming will increase by 2,000. But cold-related deaths will decrease by 20,000."[8] Global warming will save more than it will kill. II. Sea Level Rise Even though some groups like to show scenes of global apocalypse with this, the truth is that the sea level hasn’t risen that much. However, both past and predicted rise have been greatly exaggerated (Graph 2; [10]). The linear trend shows a sea level rise of only 1.31 +/- 0.30 mm/year. "The Proudman Oceanographic Laboratory estimates the rate of sea level rise at 1.42 plus or minus 0.14 mm/year for the period 1954 to 2003. This is less than the estimate of 1.91 plus or minus 0.14 mm/year for the period 1902 to 1953, indicating a slowing of the rate."[9][10] That’s an increase of around 2.8 inches in the last 50 years – not that much of an apocalyptic scenario. Future sea level predictions are even better. As of currently, global ocean heat content has not changed in recent years (Graph 3; [11]). Sea level itself has actually been declining for the last decade (Graph 4; [10]). The ‘INQUA Commission on Sea-Level Change and Coastal Evolution’ led by Dr. Morner, prepared as estimate that the global sea level will rise 10 cm plus or minus 10 cm in the next 100 years. Dr. Morner has since revised his estimate to 5 cm per 100 years after considering data of the Sun activity suggesting that the warming trend may have ended and the Earth may be headed into a cooling trend.”[10][12][13] That’s around 2.5 inches in the next 100 years. That’s really not too bad. As for Tuvalu, sea level has actually dropped four inches in the last 20 years and there is no evidence based on the observations that sea level rise there is accelerating.[13][14] In general, there is no cause for concern here. III. Ocean Acidification Fears here are also greatly exaggerated. The mean drop in pH levels as a result of CO2 increases is around 0.3, but the sea can experience changes of almost 1.4 in as little as just a day. "On a monthly scale the pH varies by 0.024 to 1.430 pH units." "At Puerto Morelos (in Mexico’s easternmost state, on the Yucatán Peninsula) the pH varied as much as 0.3 units per hour due to groundwater springs." "Even the more stable and vast open ocean is not a fixed pH all year round. Hofmann writes that 'Open-water areas (in the Southern Ocean) experience a strong seasonal shift in seawater pH (~0.3–0.5 units) between austral summer and winter.'"[15][16] This is the paper's hypothesis: "This natural variability has prompted the suggestion that an appropriate null hypothesis may be, until evidence is obtained to the contrary, that major biogeochemical processes in the oceans other than calcification will not be fundamentally different under future higher CO2/lower pH conditions"[15][16] In addition, increased CO2 levels can help shell formation: “We also know that adding CO2 in a sense is feeding the calcifying organisms (like it feeds life above the water too). CO2 dissolves as bicarbonate, which marine uses to make skeletons and shells from. So yes, a lower pH dissolves shells, but the extra CO2 increases shell formation."[17][16] In general, increased CO2 concentrations don't affect pH levels any more than pH levels change on a daily basis. They can even help in the production of shells. IV. Cloud Forests First, cloud forests, and specifically, the one my opponent cites, the Monteverde cloud forests, are not being affected by global warming. In the case of the Monteverde cloud forest, it was the clearing of the lowland forests under the cloud forest that changed the pattern of cloud formation, not warming. In fact, the cloud forests in nearby Nicaragua were unaffected because there was no lowland deforestation. Deforestation, not warming, caused changes in the cloud forests.[7][21] Now on to drought affects. Drought frequency, in the face of warming, has not increased over the past 100 years (Graph 5; [10]). The US has not gotten any drier in the last 100 years. Pederson et al. found that droughts during the end of the Little Ice Age were more severe and of longer duration than those of the 20th and 21st centuries. Cooler climates produced more extreme conditions in many parts of the world. Woodhouse et al. published a 1,200 year perspective of Southwestern North America droughts: "The medieval period was characterized by widespread and regionally severe, sustained drought... Proxy data documenting drought indicate centuries-long periods of increased aridity across the central and western U.S...The recent drought, thus far, pales hydrologically in comparison."[18][19][10] Droughts tend to coincide with periods of high solar activity, so since solar activity is decreasing, drought frequency should decrease further. In fact, increased heat means more precipitation, as more moisture evaporates from the oceans and then falls as rain or snow. NASA says global rainfall increased 2 percent in the 20th century compared with the tail-end of the Little Ice Age in the 19th century. Most of the increased moisture fell in the mid and high latitudes where much of the world’s most productive cropland is located. This should continue as time goes on.[20][13] Conclusion Most of the problems my opponent highlights are greatly exaggerated, and since I have shown that temperatures should increase only slightly in the long-term, they should not be of any concern over the next few centuries. Sources http://tny.cz...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-Change-Is-Not-an-Imminent-Danger/2/
  • PRO

    They are not imposing air pollution standards for fear of...

    Global climate change should not be a major factor in US energy policy

    Thanks to Con for accepting this debate. It was an opportunity to raise some interesting points. Arguments Con forfeited the last round leaving all my arguments unanswered. New arguments cannot be introduced in Con's final round, so he should be content with summarizing. I raised the issue early as to why trillions of dollars should be spent on policies that no one claims will have a significant effect on climate. Con's reply was that we should spend lesser trillions on policies that would have even less of an effect, not even measurable. Also unanswered was the detrimental effect on the US of refusing to develop the $300 trillion in fossil fuel resources when we need the revenue desperately. Con argues that China looks to the US to set an example. Have they improved their human rights record in the light of the US's example? They are not imposing air pollution standards for fear of economic loss, that also despite the US's example of strict pollution controls. It is not remotely plausible that China, or anyone else in the world, is going to abandon economic development in favor of CO2 crisis theory. Con could not cite a single reference to anyone who believes that would actually work. Con argues that the world scientific community says that climate change is real and imminent danger. Skeptics agree it is real, so that's not an issue. As to imminent danger, scientific truth is not determined by consensus, and if only the MIT scientists and the list in Wikipedia are considered, that is enough to prevent skeptics from being casually dismissed. The convincing evidence is that models claimed to describe climate clearly do not work. If it is an imminent danger, that is not a good reason to adopt policies that are extremely expensive and not even claimed to be effective. Consider, for example, the imminent danger posed by nuclear proliferation. How about covering the land area of the earth with Geiger counters every quarter mile, with automatic reporting of anomalous radiation. That would cost trillions of dollars and would be ineffective, in part because the radiation is easily shielded. Nonetheless, everyone would agree that nuclear proliferation is an imminent danger. That does not recommend expensive and useless policies. I suspect readers can come up with many examples of problems that have expensive yet ineffective solutions. We should pursue sensible policies of adapting to climate change and researching cost-effective climate engineering methods. Sources Pro provided tow references to the New Scientist, a non-refereed popular magazine. In one, the statement of journalist that the recent temperature rise is unprecedented was not sourced, and it contradicted by scientific literature referenced by the Environmental protection agency. The other article makes claims about crop growth with enhanced CO2. If one keeps clicking through, one scientific article is referenced, but it is contradicted by the literally hundreds that I referenced. One would think NASA would be a reliable source, but under Hansen, a CO2 fanatic, they have lost all credibility. Hansen says oceans will rise by 25 meters while the pro-CO2-crisis IPCC says nine inches. Under Hansen, the NASA global temperature data is continually revised upwards, contrary to the other three reliable sources. =============== The resolution is affirmed.

  • PRO

    The orders awaiting his signature target federal...

    Biden aims for most ambitious US effort on climate change

    In the most ambitious U.S. effort to stave off the worst effects of climate change, President Joe Biden is aiming to cut oil, gas and coal emissions and double energy production from offshore wind turbines through executive orders Wednesday. The orders awaiting his signature target federal subsidies for oil and other fossil fuels and halt new oil and gas leases on federal lands and waters. They also intend to conserve 30 percent of the country’s lands and ocean waters in the next 10 years and move to an all-electric federal...

    • https://www.allsides.com/story/biden-signs-executive-order-climate-change-reform
  • PRO

    President Barack Obama glossed over some inconvenient...

    Fact Check: Obama Spins Statistics in U.N. Speech on Climate Change

    President Barack Obama glossed over some inconvenient truths Tuesday in his climate-change speech to the United Nations. For one, as the U.S. cleans up emissions at home, it’s sending dirty fuel abroad to pollute the same sky. As well, the U.S. is not cleaning up quite as aggressively as Obama implied in his remarks. Obama was among scores of world leaders at the gathering, which followed by days a mass demonstration in New York City in support of action to combat global warming. Among those who marched: Al Gore, whose...

    • https://www.allsides.com/story/obama-talks-climate-change-summit
  • PRO

    Now lets get started. ... Got that so far.

    Global Climate Change is a problem and needs to be addressed.

    Alright you asked for it. Now lets get started. I am going to make this as easy as possible for you. I am going to lay everything out in a clear-cut manner. I will tell you what is fact and what is speculation. First off we must address Now lets get started. I am going to make this as easy as possible for you. I am going to lay everything out in a clear-cut manner. I will tell you what is fact and what is speculation. First off we must address climate. Climate definition roughly means the physical properties of the troposphere (thats a layer in the atmosphere) of an area based on analysis of its weather records over a long period of time. The two main factors that determine the climate is temperature and amount and distribution. Got that so far. Now one of the main culprits of Global Climate change is the Greenhouse Gases lets get a definition. Greenhouse Gases- Gases in the lower atmosphere that cause the Greenhouse affect. These include carbon dioxide, chlorofluorocarbons, ozone, methane, water vapor, and nitrous oxide. Now lets get a definition of Greenhouse effect Greenhouse Effect- A natural effect that releases heat in the atmosphere near the earth's surface. Greenhouse Gases (those stated above) absorb some of the heat that is radiated by the earth's surface. This heat that is absorbed is then re-radiated out to heat the atmosphere. If natural causes do not keep greenhouse gases under control the temperature will rise. There now that we have these facts (yes these above are facts and are impossible to prove otherwise, chemically its impossible) Now we must look at what is going on today. Since the dawn of the industrial revolution we have been burning fossils fuels in massive quantities. Right now the current level of CO2 in the atmosphere is 385 parts per million http://www.nytimes.com... Now since we know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas we know that it traps heat. Armed with this knowledge we can see a direct relationship between CO2 levels and increase in temperature. However remember that temperatures will only rise if the rate of replenishment is greater than that of the carbon emissions (in other words how much plant life converts into oxygen) Lets look at that Along with burning fossil fuels we have harvested massive quantities of timber for paper and building materials. It is estimated that right now we are 100 times over the natural rate http://news.mongabay.com... The rain-forest right now is under half its original size and used to produce 20% of the worlds oxygen. The Taiga forest in northern Canada is just started to be seriously logged. Currently it produces 1/3 of the worlds oxygen. Now to further add to the problem we have methane gas. Due to increased temperatures in the Arctic we are seeing a melting of permafrost. This permafrost is essentially rotting vegetation that has been storing methane gas for thousands of years. When you start to thaw out this frozen ground you start to release the stored methane. Methane compared to C02 has about 3 times the insolation power.http://www.terranature.org... Now lets combine all those factors in one. We know that we have released massive quantities of CO2 and methane into the atmosphere. These gases unchecked insulate the earth and create a rise in temperature. By eliminating our checks like the rain-forest we are eliminating our ability to remove these gases and increasing the temperature. Now what to do about it becomes the real problem. Deforestation needs to be stopped and more environmentally friendly techniques must be taken. Like selective cutting rather than the clear-cutting Brazil is using today. Carbon emissions must be lowered. This sounds like it might be a bit daunting at first but if we re-design the gasoline motor and make it more efficient we can cut back. Also in power-plants if we can lower waste hear (current waste heat for a coal fired power plant is close to 80% in some facilitates). Solar power is already being used and many die hard environmentalists are supporting more nuclear power because of the current situation. Now I would like you to now try and address these points that I have made. Please answer them and don't deviate and pull a straw-man. Stick to the current topic and points that have been brought up. Then we can move on to new points but only until you address all of mine first. Lets keep this civil and hopefully we will all learn something valuable.

  • PRO

    The ozone hole is just an area of the upper atmosphere...

    Climate Change is real and caused by humans and can/should be stopped!

    I hope you are joking, "I have seen many a great things, inspirational things, miracles even, BUT never have I seen evidence of an Ozone layer." The ozone layer is not a literal sheet/dome of ozone covering the entire planet it is just huge quantities of Ozone (O3) in the upper atmosphere. The ozone holes are more of areas with less ozone, much less, so much less in fact that it does seem to be a whole in the ozone protection from UV and ionizing rays! We are able to get a hole as ozone is near the top of the atmosphere, not much is above it, and of course sinks down into that hole, therefore you are right it's not a vacume in the atmosphere, its a hole, a void without ozone. Ozone is what protects the planet for a most part from harmful rays such as UV and ionising rays (Gamma and x-rays)! With the hole missing, half of the green house effect is put into place. These rays aren't just cancerous and dangerous in other ways to use, but they also heat up the surface of the planet, which normally if fine, NORMALLY when heat enters it just leaves, but green house gasses such as methane and carbon dioxide (which in small amounts are fine and needed, but we are pumping much more) block this extra heat/energy from the Sun from escaping back out into space! The ozone layer again as you seemed to not understand, is a layer of ozone (not only ozone) in the upper atmosphere, this ozone is in addition to what makes up the atmosphere, and this ozone usually stays in the upper atmosphere (on the rare occasian or it drops into the lower atmosphere or is created here, he get sick has it is poisonous to breath) along with the other ingredients in our atmosphere, helium, carbon dioxide, air, nitrogen..... The ozone hole is just an area of the upper atmosphere lacking ozone, which again is what protects the planet from much of the electromagnetic spectrum (light, including gamma and x-rays, UV and Infrared rays, Microwave and Radio waves). You said you have never "seen" this part of climate change, of course you don't do you see trees taking in CO2 and putting out Oxygen, NO, so it "must" not be true. The almighty, non-scientist nobody doesn't beleive it to be true, we must just take his word for it! The ozone hole is over the southern pole, so if you were in Antarctica right now you would likely feel the rays, as in you would get sun burns and a tan (yes even in the arctic as long as there is sun and rays, you would also likely get skin cancer after a couple years of exposure, why don't you test your theory out that it doesn't exist, maybe you can prove skin cancer to be a myth made by those evil athiests too). You asked how do we know that the climate is changing at a un-natural rate, good question, this held us back from acting on climate change for a long while, until we figured out the answer. We know that the planet's temerature has changed over thousands and millions of years, ice ages are proof of this (we know those happened due to glacier fossils which cover the earth meaning that the temp would of had to be much lower), and there have been times in history where we beleive it was so hot that the poles melted completely, but all of these events happened over hundreds of thousands if not millions of years (ice ages being the exeption, they happened over a number of thousands of years). We know that the Earth's temperature hasn't been changing in the past due to the effects that climate change has on weather, el nino (a storm caused by disrutption of wind currents, caused by climate change) has only came to exist in the last 20 years and is definetly caused by climate change. You do not understand that this is a debate on climate change and not evoultion. Also you talked about extintion, extintion does not prove evolution false, animals die when things like you said happen, but when effects take place over long periods of time such as a forest eroding into a savanna or desert, the best of the species living there will survive and pass on their traits over and over again the best wills survive passing on the best traits to survive their changing habitat, if they don't change fast enough they die, like you said, but often they aren't faced with such imiediet threats! An example of evolution is tictalic, the ancestor of all land vertebrates. The tictalic species evolved slowly overtime, fins that were able to push themselves up out of the water, this happened as the members of the species with the strongest fins would pass on there genes and the ones with weaker fins would die out. These fins over thousands of years would get so strong they could act as primitive arms that drag tictalic onto land to escape predators. The air bladder of the fish evolved to act as a single lung and this way, over time through many mutations that helped the species survive, they evolved legs, then they got bigger, spread out across the planet, and the species we have today evolved. WHAT THE F*CK IS WRONG WITH YOU DONT PUT SO MUCH FAITH IN YOUR LORD WHICH HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN YET THE ONLY PROOF THERE IS FOR A GOD IS THAT SOME THINGS CANT BE EXPLAINED WITH OUR CURRENT TECHNOLOGY, DONT EXPECT SOMEONE TO SAVE THE PLANET (GOD) ONCE YOU SCREW IT UP BY EXPECTING IT TO BE SAVED, WITH THE IDEA THAT SPECIES WILL CARE FOR THEMSELVES, OUR ENTIRE PLANETS ECOSYSTEM WILL COLAPSE AND GOD WONT BE THERE TO SAVE IT, IF HE IS REAL HE WOULD NOT HELP SOMEONE WHO ISNT HELPING THEMSELVES HE IS NOT YOUR MOTHER!

  • PRO

    President Barack Obama is making an Earth Day visit to...

    Obama Spends Earth Day In The Everglades, Taunting Republicans On Climate Change

    President Barack Obama is making an Earth Day visit to Florida's Everglades on Wednesday, where he'll talk about environmental issues. It's of course a huge coincidence that the visit is in the backyard of two Republican presidential hopefuls who have been squishy on the subject of climate change. White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters on a call ahead of the trip that Obama "will use the occasion of Earth Day to highlight his commitment to fighting to protect public health and to fighting the carbon pollution that contributes...

    • https://www.allsides.com/story/obama-celebrates-earth-day
  • PRO

    1] The corporate funding effect is potent. ... V. Sources...

    The best method to determine whether or not man made climate change is true is reduction of Co2.

    Outline I. Intro II. Man made Co2 Causes warming III. Humans > money IV. Conclusion V. Sources I. Intro Harrytruman thank you for accepting the debate. It takes courage to challenge the status quo. First, lets examine why you most likely think climate change is fake. You have probably been fooled by professional deceivers. [0] People who can convince you that cigarettes are safe. Greenpeace has shown that the Koch brothers are secretly funding these deceivers. [1] The corporate funding effect is potent. [2][3] Corporations have been known to fund research which ends up producing results in favor of the corporation. II. Man made Co2 Causes warming Now, I will prove that Anthropic climate change is real. First the science is settled, anthropic climate change is real. [4] The main argument that deniers use is reverse causality between Co2 and temperature. First, let's look at the ridiculousness of this claim, that scientists some how overlooked the possibility of reverse causality. Second, I will prove that Co2 causes temperature to rise. [5] We know this due to Milankovitch cycles. The Earth tilts raising temperatures, which causes the oceans to release Co2. The Co2 then warms the Earth further. Also, we know this due to the ocean's acidity. The acidity of the ocean is increasing, showing more Co2 is going into the ocean than out. [6] III. Humans > money I have proven that man made climate change is real. Now to your claim that we would suffer economic loss. First, you never estimated how much we would lose nor linked to any outside sources. Second, how does economic loss compare to losing the possibility of losing the entire human race? Human race > money. Bill Nye shows that terrorists groups are using water shorages caused by climate change to recruit. The pentagon views climate change as a threat. We are in the middle of a mass extinction. [7][8][9] IV. Conclusion We need more information, to get this information we need to conduct an experiment. The best way to conduct this experiment is to dramatically lower Co2 levels. Thanks for debating. V. Sources 0. https://thinkprogress.org... 1. http://www.greenpeace.org... 2. http://nutritionfacts.org... 3. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... 4. http://iopscience.iop.org... 5. http://www.skepticalscience.com... 6. http://www.skepticalscience.com... 7. http://www.huffingtonpost.com... 8. http://www.nytimes.com... 9. http://www.usatoday.com...

  • PRO

    Our lifestyles result in large amounts of carbon being...

    We all have some responsibility for climate change. Our lifestyles result in large amounts of carbo...

    We all have some responsibility for climate change. Our lifestyles result in large amounts of carbon being released into the air. Unless ordinary people can be brought to change their behaviour we will never tackle climate change. So it is fair to use market methods that raise the price of energy to encourage us to change our behaviour. Ways can be found to make sure that no one suffers under this new system. For example, other taxes can be cut to make up for having to pay a carbon tax. And even if emissions were tackled by regulation instead, that would still have the effect of raising the cost of energy and fuel. Producers would pass the increased costs of regulation on to consumers, so we will have to pay more one way or another.

CON

  • CON

    The humidity graph had to do with the CO2/water vapor...

    That Humans Are Causing Climate Change

    I would like to thank my opponent for this debate as well, although he doesn't address any of the concerns I had with his arguments or his own arguments' relevancy. The humidity graph had to do with the CO2/water vapor positive feedback loop you argued for in point 6 of your first argument. Thank you again.

  • CON

    I accept.

    That Humans Are Causing Climate Change

    I accept.

  • CON

    In my debate I will be trying not to persuade you that...

    Anthropogenic global climate change.

    In my debate I will be trying not to persuade you that humans are totally responsible for global warming, but the major cause is from animals etc, with still little help from the humans. It would be totally biased if you wanted me to defend humans completely out of global warming for such as a fart contributes. At the end of this debate I hope to have abolished the Anthropogenic title from your moot, and (as seen from the previous debate) from your stubborn mind. No need for any clarifications. Thank You and good luck!

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Anthropogenic-global-climate-change./4/
  • CON

    Accept.

    Climate change is real.

    Accept.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-real./1/
  • CON

    Nothing, not even our own minds, are real -- we are...

    Climate change is real.

    Nothing, not even our own minds, are real -- we are living in a simulation. I believe that RationalWiki does a good job of explaining the gist of the argument, since I can't explain it any more briefly with such small character amounts allotted: The ability to simulate: Although human-level minds we are currently familiar with are all implemented by biological brains, there is no reason in principle why a human-level mind might not be implemented by other means, such as a computer with artificial intelligence. How to simulate: One possible method for achieving this level of artificial intelligence, at least in principle, is to simulate the operation of the human brain on a computer so that it is indistinguishable from human intelligence (see Turing test). If the human mind is ultimately material, and there is no immaterial soul needed to explain the human mind, this assumption would seem to be correct. Simulation of people and environment: So, it should be possible, with enough computing power, to simulate many human-level minds (even billions of them), complete with a virtual reality environment for them to inhabit and interact with each other in. These simulated people need have no idea they are being simulated. Computational power: Although the level of computational power needed to achieve the above is far beyond our present capabilities, it is not inconceivable that one day (possibly centuries from now) we will achieve the necessary capabilities to do so Multiple simulations: If we had the power to create such simulations, it is likely we would use it, and use it extensively, creating many such simulations. More simulated entities than real entities: Hence, the number of simulations (millions or billions) will far exceed the number of actual non-simulated worlds (one only) Concluding that we are a simulation: Therefore, almost certainly, we are not actually in the real non-simulated world, but unbeknown to us in one of these simulations.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-change-is-real./1/
  • CON

    it took a break for labour day. ... Of course its...

    Climate Change is happening - NOW

    it took a break for labour day. . Of course its happeing the point is people are ignoring it, What do you do about that?

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Climate-Change-is-happening-NOW/1/
  • CON

    My opponent has made no attempt to respond to my points...

    Anthropogenic climate change.

    My opponent has made no attempt to respond to my points and has thus forfeited this round to me, I win the debate!

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Anthropogenic-climate-change./3/
  • CON

    Anyway, let's start off by saying that the General...

    Anthropogenic climate change.

    Actually that was just acceptance, and this was my way of accepting the debate. Anyway, let's start off by saying that the General sientific conscensus used to be that the earth was flat- these guys have been so wrong so many times, why should be believe them now? Back in the 70's they made predctions about where the global temparture was going by 2015, which we now know were completely innacurate. Al Gore predicted that by 2014 we would cease to have any artic or antartic ice sheets. {1} None of which came true; in fact it turns out that the global temparture goes in perods of warmth followed by a cold period, and we are simply following this pattern. {2} In addition to this, Gobal Tempartures are dropping, yes- dropping, not rising. {3} This is why Antartic Sea Ice is growing. {4} Do the math, 3.25% of CO2 emmissions are man made, and 0.04% of ouratmosphere is CO2, {5} the global temparture can only increase by 0.0013% as a result of CO2 emmissions. Mathmatically speaking, it makes no sense that such a small influence on the atmosphere can cause gobal warming. And look at this graph: The temparture has rose by 0.6 degrees in the past 120 years, 0.005 degrees annually. {1}. http://www.dailymail.co.uk... {2}. http://www.longrangeweather.com... {3}. http://www.newsmax.com... {4}. https://www.nasa.gov... {5}. https://www.esrl.noaa.gov...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Anthropogenic-climate-change./3/
  • CON

    Man made Global Warming? ... Yes and Man-Bear-Pig is...

    Anthropogenic climate change.

    Man made Global Warming? Yes and Man-Bear-Pig is real, Al Gore told me so.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Anthropogenic-climate-change./3/
  • CON

    https://www. ... This is only what I get from the data...

    Climate change is a real thing, And we could be in danger if we don't act fast.

    I hope you won't begrudge me but I had written out a 7, 000 word response with sources but something messed up and it's all gone and I just don't feel like trying to type it all up again so I'll just give a condensed version of what I said. There is a kind of hysteria on the level of cults that comes from the media and the climate activists. As I showed in my previous post, There have been many climate predictions over the last 50 years and all of them have been wrong. Greta and Extinction Rebellion are warning us of an impending crisis if we don't do something about our carbon emissions but we've seen that climate scientist have overstated the urgency of the data as evidenced by a video from the link you provided: https://www. Youtube. Com. . . The Green New Deal in America is suppose to be a policy for America to reduce their carbon footprint but when you read it, You get weird socialist passages like this: ". . . To promote justice and equity by stopping current, Preventing future, And repairing historic oppression of indigenous peoples, Communities of color, Migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, Depopulated rural communities, The poor, Low-income workers, women, The elderly, The unhoused, People with disabilities, And youth (referred to in this resolution as ""frontline and vulnerable communities"");" https://www. Congress. Gov. . . Am I the only one who's confused as to what any of this has to do with climate change? I want to also bring up the example of the Maldives which are small atoll islands that have been predicted to disappear under the sea for at least 30 years. https://trove. Nla. Gov. Au. . . The Former President wanted to buy a new island to house the populous and there were predictions as late as 2018 saying people would have to migrate sooner rather than later. "Hundreds of thousands of people will be forced from their homes on low-lying islands in the next few decades by sea-level rises and the contamination of fresh drinking water sources, Scientists have warned. " https://www. Theguardian. Com. . . https://www. Theguardian. Com. . . This is despite articles stating that climate change might actually help the Maldives grow rather than shrink it. https://theconversation. Com. . . These are not scientific articles, I admit, But given the general fear of the Maldives falling into the sea, Why has the population increased with positive net migration since the early 2000s? https://tradingeconomics. Com. . . https://fred. Stlouisfed. Org. . . Why has foreign direct investment, Net inflows quadrupled since 2000? https://www. Indexmundi. Com. . . (%25%20of%20GDP)%20in%20Maldives, Value%20was%20%2D6. 01%20in%201982. Why did they construct a new runway at their international airport to the tune of US$400 million? https://maldivesindependent. Com. . . This all seems like a waste of money if all the houses built and sold ends up underwater in 30 years. Why are investors and businessmen gambling their money in this way when we're told that the Maldives will be gone? The problem I have with your sources is that they simply assert that climate change is due to our carbon emissions without really proving it. It's one thing to point to the 1860s and make a correlation and causation argument but if we look at data over 450, 000 years, Giving us a much bigger picture, We see that CO2 fluctuated throughout history with global temperature. A variation of 10 degrees Celsius throughout the course of the graph, Keeping in mind that the temperature increases that we're suppose to be worried about peak at 2 degrees Celsius. The graph peaks at around 330 ppm and bottoms out at around 160ppm. So even without human input, There are huge variation in global temperature and natural CO2. http://euanmearns. Com. . . The Mauna Observatory data shows that we are around 400 ppm. A big jump from natural levels but we've still not seen the correlation between CO2 and temperature. https://www. Esrl. Noaa. Gov. . . The greenhouse effect doesn't seem to take place in the way people think. This is only what I get from the data and I admit I'm not an expert in this field but there just doesn't seem to be any evidence that directly correlates CO2 levels with global temperature to make the statement that humans are greatly responsible, Enough at least for us to take any action to stop it.