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    So what have we found out? ... [1]...

    On balance modern Feminism is beneficial to the modern United States.

    Thank you! I'm sure plenty of people from every group have those types of people who shut you down before you can even present an argument. I'm kind of wishing this was 5 rounds now, as this is fun. Economic Injustice There is a huge difference between 77 cents to the dollar and a 23% earnings difference between men and women. 77 cents to the dollar implies women are paid 77 cents when a man is paid one dollar for the same job. This is not the case, and a site giving an "example" with no sources to back it up doesn't quite cut it, unfortunately. A 23% earnings difference between males and females implies the total earnings for men would be (for example) $100,000 a year (because of the types of job men pursue), whereas the total earnings for women would be $77,000 a year (also due to the types of jobs they pursue). I am not denying there is a difference in average income, but this is quickly shown to be anything but a patriarchy, or sexism, or discrimination, or any sort of negative bias against women, simply by looking at the types of jobs women have, and the types of jobs men have. Are men more qualified to work hard labour jobs due to their physique and willingness to push themselves and their muscles? It would be fair to say so, and it just happens jobs that require brute strength also pay more, due to how demanding this line of work is. Are women more qualified to work in childcare, due to their instinctive "motherly" nature and willingness to look after children. Unfortunately in a lot of cases, child care doesn't pay a hell of a lot. Although I'm familiar with some day cares who earn upwards of $800/child/month, it does take at least a year of schooling to work with them. So right away, we see that men earn more on average due to the types of jobs they pursue. So why is it women aren't represented enough in higher up, CEO positions, or politically? Well, quoting the Guardian, "A 2006 survey found that while 80% of women felt underpaid, two-thirds had never asked for more money" [1]. Now the article goes on to say it's stressful for a woman to ask for more money due to the "pay gap," but wait, back up - Women won't ask for more money because... they aren't getting as much money? It's stressful as hell asking for a raise, I've asked for a couple, and I remember how incredibly nervous I was. This has nothing to do with it being a "women's issue" being stressed while asking for a raise, it's an all around issue. Asking for more money - no matter who you are - can be very stressful. So now that that's out of the way, we have to figure out why women don't ask for raises or promotions as much as men. Without doing research, I came up with a hypothesis (judging by how my female friends and colleagues act in comparison to their male counterparts) that women feel the need to "complete" their current job, or gain as much knowledge as possible in their current job before attempting to advance to a higher up position, whereas men tend to ask right off the bat for a promotion. On a side note - my very first job was at a four star restaurant, and I started as a bus boy, or busser (for the gender-neutral people, lol) and within the first month of working there, I told the GM I'm working at becoming a manager at this restaurant and I want him to know that I'm willing to do what it takes to advance to this position. Yes, it was nerve racking, but it felt natural to ask for a position like this right off the bat, knowing full well I'm not even 2/3 familiar with my current position yet. The one girl who was a busser continued until she was asked to move up, as she said she was comfortable bussing and didn't "feel the need" to move around in the company. Yes, this could have been an isolated situation, but wait! Here's an article to back my "hypothesis" up with [2]. So what have we found out? Women tend to work jobs that are more fit for their "gender traits," mostly child care, which unfortunately doesn't pay as much. Women tend to not ask for promotions or raises as much as men. Unfortunately, neither of these is definitive proof that the gap exists within the same job, between a male and female of equally qualified characteristics. This gap is anything but across the board [3], and as you can see - women (on average) are paid more than men for a lot of jobs. Some people are able to perform better for certain jobs, and it happens that the majority of one gender usually performs better for most types of jobs. I just found out (I may be out of the tennis loop...) that women earn as much as men do in Tennis. ...Makes sense, right? ...Well no, it doesn't. Not at all. Women play the best of three, while men play the best of five. Right off the bat, men work longer. This also means less time for ad revenue, and statistics show that less people watch women's tennis than mens [4]. So let's see if this is fair: Women work less, generate less views, less ad revenue, yet they get paid the same as their male counterparts? Of course you could argue that feminism is trying to abolish this unjust payment, but hey... of course it isn't. Feminism does what's best for women, and if men happen to benefit, these benefits are plastered all over as "YES, MEN BENEFIT FROM FEMINISM TOO!" - Even though it was a simple product of feminism helping women. Of course your company isn't going to ask how well you sleep or how you handle a lack of sleep - they could consider it simply because of your gender (hold on, let me continue), and the "idea" that men can handle a lack of sleep more than women goes to show that men could be considered more productive due to this idea. If you were an employer, would you prefer someone who got burnt out after 8 hours, or someone who is able to work 10+ hours without getting burnt out? Now this isn't necessarily "fair" per se, but it isn't discrimination based on gender. The employer is simply considering who would be the most appropriate candidate for the position he's offering. The way I see it all is if an employer provides actual reasoning as to why he isn't paying a woman as much as a man, or vise versa, or hired a man over a woman, that's good enough. It's his call to make. Saying he's sexist because he feels the man is more fit for the job than a woman, with an actual reason other than "because he's a man," is absolutely ridiculous and is attempting to take all responsibility off the woman. You bring up a good point regarding poverty and homelessness, so thank you. However I guess I may as well bring up Cancer related primarily for men and women. Approximately 30,000 men will die in 2014 from Prostate Cancer, and 40,000 women will die by the end of 2014 from Breast Cancer. In 2012, $265,000,000 was funded for Prostate Cancer research, whereas $600,000,000 was funded for Breast Cancer research [8]. These numbers just don't add up. Less than half is funded for Prostate Cancer, when Prostate Cancer deaths still make up 75% of Breast Cancer deaths. So let's put the poverty levels aside, and look at the general populations' view on deadly cancer for each gender. You see Breast Cancer ribbons everywhere, NFL teams wear pink to support Breast Cancer, you can't deny the fact that Breast Cancer is funded much more than Prostate Cancer, and it's much more involved with the media, even though it only affects a slightly larger amount of women than Prostate Cancer does men. The only thing regarding the pay gap I can agree with you on is that men do get paid more than women in general. An employer that gives a valid reason as to why he pays a male less than another male holds the same validity when he gives a reason as to why he pays a female less than a male, or vise versa. Poverty affecting women doesn't have anything to do with opportunity or equal rights, as I've proved that women don't ask for as much as men, and generally don't commit to the same high-paying jobs as men do. Domestic Violence I thought you would bring that up, and the only real thing I have to say about this is equality. They don't take the woman beating the man seriously, just like they don't take the man being beaten by the woman seriously. Both are equally negatively effected. A gender issue is not an equality issue. Women choose lesser-paying jobs, and choose not to advance as much as men. The difference between Christianity and the KKK is there's a clear difference between the two. Feminism and "feminazis" - not so much, in regards to social media attention and coverage. I've encountered, personally, more women who identify as feminists that are rude, disrespectful, hate men, and want female superiority than "true" feminists. Conclusion I'm all for equal treatment, however I don't believe we have any reason to think we aren't treated equally. Because some people have it worse than others does not mean they weren't given the same opportunities as their counterparts. If feminists, for example, changed the name of their group to "egalitarianism," it would get rid of the extremists and erase that blip entirely. Numbers are numbers. What are the reasons behind these numbers? Discrimination? Sexism? Or simple "poor" choice on behalf of the victims? My video shows both men and women are treated poorly. Hope you got a good sleep! [1] http://www.theguardian.com... [2] http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu... [3] http://www.news.com.au... [4] http://www.heraldsun.com.au... [5] http://www.cancer.org... [6] http://www.cancer.org... [7] http://www.cancer.gov... [8] http://www.cancer.gov...