Saying he's sexist because he feels the man is more fit...
On balance modern Feminism is beneficial to the modern United States.
Thanks for your patience, I had a wonderful debate free, restful weekend! Rebuttals: Economic Injustice Con says “There is a huge difference between 77 cents to the dollar and a 23% earnings difference between men and women.” 77/100 is 77%. Which is a 23% difference to 100%. This is basic math. 77 cents to a dollar is exactly a 23% difference. This means that a 23% difference in pay would be 77 cents on the dollar. Con says “I am not denying there is a difference in average income, but this is quickly shown to be anything but a patriarchy, or sexism, or discrimination, or any sort of negative bias against women, simply by looking at the types of jobs women have, and the types of jobs men have.” Again I have provided empirical evidence in specific job fields of this pay gap, (Men and Women who have the same job) to which Con says “a site giving an "example" with no sources to back it up doesn't quite cut it, unfortunately.” The statistics on the site are sourced from the 2011 Census Bureau. (1) As the numbers are as well sourced as any statistic it would behoove con to accept the fact that the pay gap is obviously and observably connected with gender. Con argues “that women earn as much as men do in Tennis. ...Makes sense, right? ...Well no, it doesn't. Not at all. Women play the best of three, while men play the best of five. Right off the bat, men work longer.” As a tennis player I can assure you that playing fewer rounds at the match does not in any way prove that men work longer. The bulk of the work done by professional athletes is not done during the matches, it is the months of training to get there. I am stunned that con would bring sports in as an example. Here is an article that shows the difference for men and women basketball players. (2) As you can see Women basketball players make on average $72,000 annually, while men average 5.15 million a year.(3) This is a stunning difference. I do agree with con that women’s sports “generate less views, less ad revenue,” The reasons for this have nothing to do with how much work is being done. Yet again, Con has provided an example of how our society does not treat women equally with men. Less views are a result of people not taking female professional athletes as serious as their male counter parts. Less views does equal less revenue. All a result of society not treating women and men equally. Con says “The way I see it all is if an employer provides actual reasoning as to why he isn't paying a woman as much as a man, or vise versa, or hired a man over a woman, that's good enough. It's his call to make. Saying he's sexist because he feels the man is more fit for the job than a woman, with an actual reason other than "because he's a man," is absolutely ridiculous and is attempting to take all responsibility off the woman.” I have not argued that an employer should provide reasons for why a women or man may be preferred. In fact I have not argued that certain careers that are male or female dominated should not be. I have argued that when men and women do work in the same field, for the same work that men, on balance, are paid much more. Again, this is empirically evident by my sited sources, and is not equal treatment. Con provides stats based on various cancers that affect men and women. He shows that Breast Cancer receives significantly more charity than prostate cancer. Ironically, this is another example that our society views women as more of a “charity case” then men. I do not mean to encourage people to stop donated, in fact I hope everyone finds a way to charitable donate to any good cause. However, this example does reflect the idea that society see’s women as in need of more charity then men. This is a perfect example of unequal treatment. Clearly this unequal treatment is deeply rooted in our society. I will conclude this argument as I did in round two. Clearly the pay gap is empirically evident and as such is indisputable. Just as evident is that poverty affects women significantly more so than men. It can then be concluded that men and women do not have an equal rights or opportunity in the U.S. economy. Domestic Violence Con says “Both (men and women) are equally negatively effected.” Just because both are negatively effected does not mean equally. Women are not taken seriously as abusers. Women are not taken seriously as professionals, Generally Women are not taken as seriously as men as people. I agree that Men are also negatively affected. This is largely due to the deep rooted sexism of our society treating women as children that need to be taken care of, obviously this puts an excessive burden on men to provide such support. This is why Feminism is “the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities” Other arguments: Cons says “The difference between Christianity and the KKK is there's a clear difference between the two. Feminism and "feminazis" - not so much, in regards to social media attention and coverage. I've encountered, personally, more women who identify as feminists that are rude, disrespectful, hate men, and want female superiority than "true" feminists.” The difference between Christianity and the KKK is now clear…. It was not always so. Likewise with Feminism and Limbaugh’s so called “feminazis.” The extreme of any group are often the most obnoxiously vocal. Con says “I'm all for equal treatment, however I don't believe we have any reason to think we aren't treated equally.” It is empirically evident that this unequal treatment is present is society. As I have shown. Con says “Numbers are numbers. What are the reasons behind these numbers? Discrimination? Sexism? Or simple "poor" choice on behalf of the victims? My video shows both men and women are treated poorly.” I agree numbers are numbers. However, to conclude that Women on balance are paid less, treated inferior, and not taken as seriously as men as a result of “poor” choices, is to say that women generally make poorer choices than men. This is not true, no such claim could be substantiated. The video does show that both are treated poorly, and specifically that women are not taken seriously. That is why feminism is about equality. Women’s issues do create issues for men. Closing Statements: First I would like to thank Mister_Man for being a fantastic contender and a good sport. As we did not have much room to talk about the issues that are created for men due to the unequal treatment of women, or to address issues men face in our society, I will add a link to a video of a feminist addressing both men’s and women’s issues. (4) This is not intended to be a new argument, nor do I expect Con to refute the content. I just wanted to include it for those reading who are interested in hearing more on the topic. I will conclude as I did in round two. Men and women do not currently have equal rights and opportunities. This is empirically evident by the stats that I have provided. Women are not paid equally, or afforded the same opportunity in the U.S. economy. Women are affected significantly more than men by domestic violence, as this has become a common issue (1 in 4) it limits the opportunity and rights of women in a way that does not generally affect men. Feminism has been, and will continue to be a force for good in the U.S. as it brings to light these injustices and lobbies for change. Therefore we are lead to conclude that “on balance modern Feminism is beneficial to the modern United States.” Thanks for reading and vote pro! (1) http://www.aauw.org... (2) http://www.blackenterprise.com... (3) https://www.google.com... (4) http://www.youtube.com...