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    During the 9/11 attacks, people knew that no matter what...

    American Feminism is Going too Far

    I don't understand why there is so much victim blaming going on. "I hope you know they would have been executed regardless." First of all, King Henry only executed his wives because they kept birthing daughters. They knew that if they could give birth to a son they would get to live. Secondly, what gives you so much moral authority to judge them? During the 9/11 attacks, people knew that no matter what they did they would die, but most were so overcome by fear that they couldn't fight back. Is it their fault that the planes crashed? No, of course not. It's NEVER the victims fault. "As far as your cute sexual harassment summary, carry some pepper spray, a taser, and a mobile phone." That's a ridiculous statement. Why on earth would somebody's response to sexual harassment be to whip out a taser and shoot somebody? They would almost certainly be fired. "Did these grad students really think a seventy year old man inviting them to a hotel room was going to give them a jigsaw puzzle?" Many of these cases date back all the way to the 60's. Cosby was not nearly that old then. Secondly, many times they were tricked into visiting him with excuses such as career advice. thirdly, in many of the cases they were having various drinks, sometimes coffee, and then he drugged and raped them [6]. They had no idea that he had ill intentions. Again, it is NEVER the victims fault. "Abortion is legal in a number of states and if a woman did not want to conceive she should have abstained or used contraceptives." What is she was raped? What if she did use contraceptives and they failed? "Discrimination in academia is illegal, you can't get turned down or fall behind men because you are a woman, it just doesn't work that way" Did I not explain the subconscious bias against women? It's not always active discrimination. It's hard to prove intent on subconscious discrimination because there is none. --- I can't figure out where Pro believes that During the 9/11 attacks, people knew that no matter what they did they would die, but most were so overcome by fear that they couldn't fight back. Is it their fault that the planes crashed? No, of course not. It's NEVER the victims fault. "As far as your cute sexual harassment summary, carry some pepper spray, a taser, and a mobile phone." That's a ridiculous statement. Why on earth would somebody's response to sexual harassment be to whip out a taser and shoot somebody? They would almost certainly be fired. "Did these grad students really think a seventy year old man inviting them to a hotel room was going to give them a jigsaw puzzle?" Many of these cases date back all the way to the 60's. Cosby was not nearly that old then. Secondly, many times they were tricked into visiting him with excuses such as career advice. thirdly, in many of the cases they were having various drinks, sometimes coffee, and then he drugged and raped them [6]. They had no idea that he had ill intentions. Again, it is NEVER the victims fault. "Abortion is legal in a number of states and if a woman did not want to conceive she should have abstained or used contraceptives." What is she was raped? What if she did use contraceptives and they failed? "Discrimination in academia is illegal, you can't get turned down or fall behind men because you are a woman, it just doesn't work that way" Did I not explain the subconscious bias against women? It's not always active discrimination. It's hard to prove intent on subconscious discrimination because there is none. --- I can't figure out where Pro believes that feminism has gone too far. Pro agreed that many aspects of feminism have not gone "too far", and cannot provide any concrete examples of places where feminism has in fact done so. She has simply made obscure statements saying that women should just work harder even when I have shown that women face obstacles that men don't have to. Women should have equal rights to men, and fighting for those rights should not be given a deadline. Feminists should not be criticized for asking "society to change their view points on topics they have already established." Slavery used to be an established idea, and yet here we are, society intact. Giving one party rights that another party has always has does not take right away from those that already have it. Finally, I don't believe that Pro fully understood my point that the laws in general support equality, but our culure doesn't. One of the major things that feminists are trying to accomplish is the change the culture to become more accepting of women. [6] http://www.slate.com...