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3rd wave feminism has made notable progress for civil rights

[ "3rd wave feminism didn't cause what you said it caused, it supported what you said it caused, therefore there's not even a reason to explore point A further" Con offers no sources to support this opinion, nor can he point out, using my sources, where this opinion is at all supported. ] Con doesn't need to offer sources as Pro already has proven that with his own sources. [ "You didn't support your own claim (again) and now are twisting it into another claim (again) to maintain some form of integrity." Con has already admitted the BOP has been met. That being said, Con still offers no sources or quotations to indicate where I have "twisted" a claim. ] You didn't support your own claim. Con admits nothing. [ " Your own source defeats your claims that 3rd Wave had any real hand in Sex Positivism" Con is incorrect, and offers no quotations from the sources to support this opinion. The fact is, Sex Positivity is a tremendous aspect of third wave feminism, which joined together many more defined feminist schools of thought. ] Con cited the Free Love / Sex Positivism movement and it's chronological inception. Pro did not show that Sex Positivism was something effected by 3rd wave however proves that the concept is supported by 3rd wave. [ Gayle Rubin (Rubin, 1984) summarizes the conflict over sex within feminism, between the 2nd and third waves: "...There have been two strains of feminist thought on the subject. One tendency has criticized the restrictions on women's sexual behavior and denounced the high costs imposed on women for being sexually active. This tradition of feminist sexual thought has called for a sexual liberation that would work for women as well as for men. " (1) ] Fallacy of the Consequent based on chronological error. [ "Also considered part of the third wave is sex-positivity, a celebration of sexuality as a positive aspect of life, with broader definitions of what sex means and what oppression and empowerment may imply in the context of sex. For example, many third-wave feminists have reconsidered the opposition to pornography and sex work of the second wave, and challenge existing beliefs that participants in pornography and sex work are always being exploited."(2) ] Misleading, written in 2002 by another person altogether and not properly attributed to the writer in order to lead away from the continuous chronological error. Does not reflect the writings of the previous person. Does not prove anything but 3rd wave supports Sex Positivism, which is not in contention. [ "This is again a shifting of the same arguments because it's an attempt to push ownership for Sex Positivism by 3rd Wave" Con claims that suggesting Sex Positivity in general influenced third wave feminism nullifies any civil rights advances the movement has created, which is not logical. ] Con makes no such claim. [ If we operate under this logic, historians would say the French Revolution had no influence on the American Revolution, because it happened beforehand. They would say Thomas Payne had no hand in creating the structure of our Constitution, despite his tremendous philosophical influence on the authors. If one will look above, they can see that I haven not once claimed that Sex Positivity was a result of Third Wave feminism, only that the progress made toward that objective is owed in great part to the third wave feminism movement which adopted Sex Positive theory and brought it to the public eye. Blogs such as the below, illustrate this fact. ] Fallacy of the Antecedent. (http://www.fallacyfiles.org...) [ "Sex-positivity is quite simple. It holds that there is really no wrong way to do human sexuality as long as all parties involved give their consent. The sex-positive movement is closely intertwined with (third wave) feminism because the oppression of sexualities which fall outside the normative (white, monogamous, and heterosexual) is a major tool of the patriarchy. "(3) ] Appeal to Authority (http://www.fallacyfiles.org...) [ straight red herring." Not at all. Con suggests that a movement or designation can only exist once the terminology has been set in stone. The term Capitalism did not exist prior to Marx's writings, therefore, Con must believe America is not a Capitalist nation. ] Red Herring, Non-Sequitur, Con asserts no such thing. [ Sex positive theory was codified into the greater Third Wave Feminist movement once that terminology was established, just as America became a "capitalist" nation when Marx coined the term. This is another example of the theory pre-dating the terminology. ] "Sex Positivity" was around 30 years prior to 1990 as proven by the Wikipedia source Con posted in argument 2. The terminology existed prior, Falsehood. [ "Furthermore Pro starts off by attempting to assert that the Third Wave existed before the Third Wave " Just as Capitalism existed before "Capitalism". This is a simple correlation to make. ] Fallacy of Ambiguity (http://www.fallacyfiles.org...) Pro refuses to use a standardized timeline spanning his arguments across and beyond up to two decades as per citations. [ Con offers no sources to support the assumption that Third Wave feminism formed spontaneously, rather than transformed over time from positions which were not accepted by the mainstream 2nd wave. ] Con offered however a source that stated that Third wave is generally accepted to have begun in the 1990s; Pro rejects and posits that all aforethought that may have been popularized or embraced and cultivated and supported by 3rd wave is in fact an extension of third wave. Fallacy of the Consequent. [ Con claims my argument uses the "Fallacy of Affirming the Consequent", because I assert that the theories which formed Third Wave Feminism had an impact on civil rights. ] False. Non-sequitur. Con asserts Fallacy of Affirming the Consequent based on chronological errors. Pro has not shown for any theories which "formed" during Third Wave Feminism, only theories that were accepted and supported by Third Wave Feminism. [ Con claims this by misdefining the term: "If X supports concept A and A is a core of group B and then X is a member of group B." Con's example above is not the Fallacy of Affirming the Consequent. The actual fallacy is represented as "If A results in B, and B is present, that must mean A was the cause." ] Con transcribed the fallacy in relation to a group. "A" and "B" are the same, "X" is the added factor representative to the group, however it can be restated as "If Sex Positivism is supported by 3rd Wave Feminism and 3rd Wave Feminism is present today then Sex Positivism was caused by 3rd Wave Feminism." It is the same. [It would have been better represented as: If a Pre-90's person is Sex Positive, he/she is a Third wave feminist. (the true statement) So and so is a Third Wave Feminist. (The true variable) Therefore so and so is Sex Positive. (the fallacy)] Affirming the Consequent. "If a person prior to the existence of a movement supported a cause then they had to be a member of that movement." It is the exact same example as above with focus on the person, "If a Sex Positivist exists prior to 3rd Wave Feminism and 3rd Wave Feminism is present today then the Sex Positivist was a 3rd Wave Feminist." It just isn't true. [ "Not all third wave feminists are Sex Positive, but all Sex Positive people are Third Wave Feminists, at least in that regard (obviously not on every subject), whether they are aware or not. Just as America was a "Capitalist" nation, even before the term was coined." ... but all Sex Positive people are Third Wave Feminists, at least in that regard (obviously not on every subject), whether they are aware or not. ] Fallacy of Equivocation (http://www.fallacyfiles.org...) Pro states that all Sex Positvists are by definition 3rd Wave Feminists. False. [ "Pro stated that third-wave feminism, in their opening, had a direct impact on the GBLTQ, specifically the T, and failed to prove it which was shown through yet another chronological error." Again, Con offers no sources or citations to support this statement, save for their own opinion. ] Con offered a citation directly after the term "Transgenderism" in argument two providing that the movements had been active long prior to 1990s when 3rd Wave is agreed to have started as shown by Con and acknowledged by Pro multiple times. Lying. Bugger, I ran out of space. Vote for Pro so that he can win and I can not waste anymore of my time. Pretty, pretty please?