• CON

    In fact, your choice is so influential that it makes it...

    The rise of feminism has negatively impacted relationships

    I feel my opponent might be chasing his tail a little. Like a dog who forgot where he buried his bone, my opponent seems to think that the holes he made trying to find it, are just as good a proof as the bone itself. NOPE!!!! And oh, how effective his "nodody is an island" spiel was. I ate it up like cheetos. But after reading his argument, I'm still not quite sure how he thinks public attitudes affect our relationships. I can't blame him though, rational people (like ourselves) are not easily swayed by silly wankerisms. Look, it's simple. If you prefer a traditional relationship with your spouse, that's YOUR choice of how YOU feel the household should be run. If your spouse rejects your notion of a well kept, functional household, that would be HER choice. If you choose to quarrel because of your disagreement, that would be both your choices and society has no say in any of it. Your choice is the most influential factor in all these situations. In fact, your choice is so influential that it makes it impossible for public attitudes to affect you, unless you accept public opinion as an influence, and even then, it's still YOUR choice to accept it's influence. I don't think my opponent realizes it, but when you boil his argument down, he's actually saying that the problem is that women DO have equal rights! Thankfully my opponent agrees that women should have equal rights, but his argument is based on the idea that because women are actually exercising their equality in relationships, that's what causes the "negative impact". That's pretty much the meat and potatoes of this debate. My opponent thinks that a quick peruse through the world wide web will show obvious evidence of the breakdown of traditional relationships (which I will call "armagrelashionship". Ok, maybe not). I must not be looking in the right place because I haven't found any proof of that. My opponent tried using a vague "study" done over a decade ago that says "satisfaction in life has decreased and flatlined in both the US and Britain". Shame on him for trying to use that as evidence of dissatisfaction in relationships, it doesn't really even have anything to do with this argument, it has to do with satisfaction in life as a whole. I'm confused on how satisfaction in life can flatline anyway. Like, what does that even mean? If I was a Russian soldier in the battle for Stalingrad and I just got captured by the Germans and was being sent to a prisoner of war camp, perhaps then my satisfaction in life would flatline, but a couple skirmishes with the old lady won't make me wanna snuff it. Perhaps I should apologize to my opponent for not specifying that I'm not a woman. I am a married father of two girls. We do not, I can't stress this enough, DO NOT teach our daughters to be ashamed of housework. In fact, doing the housekeeping is probably the main reason we had kids! My wife identifies as a feminist. She works full time now, but when she didn't, she always kept the house clean. Now that she works full time, we have to share the chores, and I have no problem with that! I can't think of any instances when we taught our children to hate the masculine traits I have and since they're girls, obviously we teach them to love their feminine traits. My older daughter plays football (American football, not soccer), and she's awesome. It seems that all my opponent and I have to use as references are our own relationships, which aren't very broad ranging. My argument hinges on the belief that your additude toward your spouse and your situation are far more influential than In fact, your choice is so influential that it makes it impossible for public attitudes to affect you, unless you accept public opinion as an influence, and even then, it's still YOUR choice to accept it's influence. I don't think my opponent realizes it, but when you boil his argument down, he's actually saying that the problem is that women DO have equal rights! Thankfully my opponent agrees that women should have equal rights, but his argument is based on the idea that because women are actually exercising their equality in relationships, that's what causes the "negative impact". That's pretty much the meat and potatoes of this debate. My opponent thinks that a quick peruse through the world wide web will show obvious evidence of the breakdown of traditional relationships (which I will call "armagrelashionship". Ok, maybe not). I must not be looking in the right place because I haven't found any proof of that. My opponent tried using a vague "study" done over a decade ago that says "satisfaction in life has decreased and flatlined in both the US and Britain". Shame on him for trying to use that as evidence of dissatisfaction in relationships, it doesn't really even have anything to do with this argument, it has to do with satisfaction in life as a whole. I'm confused on how satisfaction in life can flatline anyway. Like, what does that even mean? If I was a Russian soldier in the battle for Stalingrad and I just got captured by the Germans and was being sent to a prisoner of war camp, perhaps then my satisfaction in life would flatline, but a couple skirmishes with the old lady won't make me wanna snuff it. Perhaps I should apologize to my opponent for not specifying that I'm not a woman. I am a married father of two girls. We do not, I can't stress this enough, DO NOT teach our daughters to be ashamed of housework. In fact, doing the housekeeping is probably the main reason we had kids! My wife identifies as a feminist. She works full time now, but when she didn't, she always kept the house clean. Now that she works full time, we have to share the chores, and I have no problem with that! I can't think of any instances when we taught our children to hate the masculine traits I have and since they're girls, obviously we teach them to love their feminine traits. My older daughter plays football (American football, not soccer), and she's awesome. It seems that all my opponent and I have to use as references are our own relationships, which aren't very broad ranging. My argument hinges on the belief that your additude toward your spouse and your situation are far more influential than feminism. Perhaps my opponent is a snot, and expects his spouse to do all the cooking and cleaning and leave him free for his manly pursuits, like getting drunk at the pub and watching football (soccer). Perhaps she's not a very nice person and refuses to help out at all. Or maybe like BB king said, the thrill is gone. I don't think feminism plays that big of a role in those situations, perhaps your both just mean people. (I hope that wasn't offensive. I just meant it for the sake of the argument) My opponent suggested that I was arguing that males and females have no differences?!? I call on my opponent to come up with a quote in any of my arguments that shows that I actually feel that way. I may let my daughters do things that were traditionally considered "boy things" in the past, but that doesn't mean I don't understand the many obvious differences between males and females. So obvious that I don't think it should have been brought up, but my opponent never ceases to amaze us. By the way, I wasn't insulting your grammar, I was insulting your observations. Trust me, I'd be the last guy to insult someones grammar. I've met glue sniffing addicts with better grammar than me! I would like to thank my opponent for such an interesting debate, and am very pleased no meet you as well. Good luck, mate!