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Feminism is no longer beneficial to our modern society

Pro: "I would say it [the gender pay gap] doesn't matter anymore because in our society women don't have it much harder and the work they have to do to achieve a similar amount of materialistic success as men." Women earn ~80% of comparable men, maybe ~90% if you're generous. Thus, women have to work 25% or 11% harder in the United States to achieve results comparable to men, simply because they were born female. I do not see how that could possibly be considered fair. Pro: "The minor problem is that the information is rather updated and women gets a paid maternity leave for about a year." 1: My data is from 2010. 2: In many countries, such as the USA, there is no such maternity leave. Furthermore, how does a temporary leave for what amounts to a temporary medical condition resolve the pay gap? Unless women are on maternity leave for 20% of their time 3: In most countries that have a parental leave (to raise the kid), both men and women can use it. The only reason women "benefit" from such a leave is that women are forced into maternal roles. Pro: "The bigger problem is that it is a global data, not fitting with the rules of this debate." 1: My data talks *only* about the USA. Pro: "Boys are also often exposed to sexual harassment and the only reason men are not is because of natural physical advantage which men are slowly losing." 1: I agree. I cited a feminist group that helped redefine rape at the federal level, so that men can now get police assistance with their rapes, because the definition rape disincluded male rape [6]. Feminists just hate men, eh? Pro: "As of birth control and reproductive rights, again, if you read the rules of this debate properly, third world and developing countries are out of the picture and I don't see UK and US having birth control problems right?" 1: In the EU: "The availability of abortion varies across the European Region: almost all countries allow abortion to save a woman’s life and 90% to preserve mental or physical health; 88% of them allow abortion if the foetus is thought to be impaired, or in case of rape or incest. Nearly 80% allow abortion for economic and social reasons, and slightly fewer offer abortion on request. ... In Malta and Andorra abortion is illegal on any grounds. In Poland and Ireland, legal abortion is severely limited in availability" [8]. Yet: "Legal restrictions on abortion do not affect its incidence; women seek desperate measures if they cannot obtain safe abortions. Data from Romania revealed that, when termination of pregnancy was banned by the Ceausescu regime, maternal mortality was more than 20 times higher than today" [8]. 2: In the USA: Just look at the maps [9]. Pro: "You didn't define reproductive rights but I think you meant abortion which should totally be banned. Women should, just like men, be held responsible for their actions." 1: Banning abortion doesn't reduce abortions, and thus doesn't ensure that women be held responsible for their actions. 2: How does allowing abortion reduce responsibility? Pro: "Again, as of rape, we see a loophole, we can strengthen law enforcement but allowing abortion is like twisting the whole system to allow rape." 1: ??? Pro: "As of the second rebuttal, yes, you can say they are not true feminists, but you have to admit that they are indeed sparked by feminism. And feminism is what makes them look appropriate and proportionate to some people." 1: This is just argument by assertion. Where's the evidence that feminism causes these effects? Pro: "Quotes aren't that powerful, I just used a famous one to support my point because I was running out of time." 1: >Pro uses a quote to support case >Con uses 20 quotes to support case >Pro disregards Con's quote, but keeps Pro's quote 2: Prefer my quotes. There's a hella them. Pro: "Do you see any major feminist campaign that 1, doesn't call itself humanist/equalist and 2, provide equal service to both men and women?" 1: ??? Pro: "As of the racism thing, I have a similar view. At first it was great, Martin Luther King did a great job and achieved a lot. But today, if there are still people constantly stressing the fact that blacks don't receive equal treatment which, in some cases is true, I will be solemnly annoyed. The movement was good but if it is pushed any farther, it is a little too much." 1: Why? Blacks are vastly underemployed as a result of societal and historical discrimination, kind of like women. 2: Pro misses my point. Pro talks about feminist extremists; I talk about the average feminist. Just cause feminist extremists are crazy doesn't mean feminism is. Pro: "I apologise for the Japanese example which you seemingly have no experience in (no offense, very few do)." 1: Is fine. Pro: "However, I can prove that I am right. (I am not going to now. If you want me to, you can tell me to in the comments section, I really am not trying to search for excuses, I simply want to stay on topic). In fact, I will post it in the comments section right afterwards." 1: Uh, OK. Pro: "The program will be perfectly fine IF it is not sexist to create a similar program that is boys only. "Pro has yet to demonstrate that such programs are a result of feminism". Umm... They are not, sort of. The fact is, without feminism, there will be no programs like this. Again, I wonder if you read the definitions and rules of the debate. Just read the definition of feminism..." 1: Many programs are turning to equal treatment for both genders. Pro: "Yes, it is true that the commercial didn't paint it in positive light, but that argument can be used on a lot of things. Can you defend ABC by saying Jimmy Kimmel didn't put killing all Chinese people in positive light? The fact that if the person said sorry it's a girl will cause an outcry proves my point. And you can try to prove me wrong in the comments section." 1: Let's say I have a commercial, and in it a neo-Nazi says something in passing and the main character of the commercial gets creeped out. Do I need to apologize for the neo-Nazi? Pro: "Again, what you said is true but you should have read my definition of modern society which is not correct but we have to settle for for the sake of this debate." 1: Actually, killing feminism in developed nations is a sure way to kill it in nondeveloped nations, since much of the support for feminism in Africa and Asia comes from the West. 2: Women still aren't equal in the USA, EU, Japan, or South Korea; there's still impact in "modern society". Pro: "Yah, it wasn't very clear, but what I mean is that we need to be able to oppose feminism without sounding like trolls and keyboard warriors. Right now, this isn't entirely feminism's fault but it seems as if it is immoral to oppose feminism and anyone who is doing so is crazy and adsorb." 1: Thousands if not millions of people oppose feminism without repercussion. Look at the Republican Party. Pro: "In our modern society, again, referring to my definition, feminists are simply too close minded. It seems as though they will just dismiss anyone who disagrees with their ideology as trolls and I think that is part of the reason it developed men hate. Men are less "proficient" at being "brainwashed" by this ideology while women, generally, become immediately attached to the concept." 1: Sources for brainwashing and women-attraction? 2: Why are feminists any more close-minded than, MRAs? [8] euro.who.int/en/health-topics/Life-stages/sexual-and-reproductive-health/activities/abortion/facts-and-figures-about-abortion-in-the-european-region [9] fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/maps-of-access-to-abortion-by-state/