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    1: There are some female supremacists in feminism; they...

    Feminism is no longer beneficial to our modern society

    REBUTTALS: 1) [A] "I am not saying that gender equality is no longer at presence, but only that it doesn't really matter anymore." Why doesn't gender equality matter anymore? Women on average get paid about 81.2% of men [1], even accounting for a wide variety of factors [2][3]. Women on average are disadvantaged in numerous other ways, from sexual harassment to lack of contraceptive access to lack of reproductive rights, which males on average suffer disproportionately less. 1) [B] "If male truly have a significant advantage towards woman, if we really have control simply for being who we are, why would feminism even exist? And yes, you would ask me for evidence and I do have it, LOGIC. If man do have the upper hand wouldn't we want to control any outcry? Any voices? If not, wouldn't that mean we are NOT the sexist person feminism portrays us to be?" Pro seems to think that feminism is attacking an all-powerful male-controlled institution that seeks to suppress feminist views -- the patriarchy. Most feminists don't think that, or anything close to that. Instead, most feminists view the system as being unfair, not oppressive. Most feminists don't see a gigantic network out to reduce female pay and suppress feminist views, but instead see that societal norms prevent women from getting equal pay and force women to do more child care, elder care, etc. Basically, it's not Big Brother who's the problem -- it's society's mindset. 2) [A] Feminists fail to uphold gender equality. They are hating on men and developing into a supremacy or at least gender exclusivity. 1: There are some female supremacists in feminism; they are not a majority, not even close. If you'd like, say, some examples of the feminist support for gender equality rather than female supremacy, see the many examples of pro-equality quotes I prove here [4]. 2: Just because there are extremists in a movement does not mean the movement is bad. In the civil rights movement, the vast majority followed Dr. King and nonviolently protested for their rights. Some groups -- black supremacists, black isolationists, violent activists -- caused other people harm and brought shame to the movement. But the movement as a whole was a good thing -- it brought vastly greater levels of racial equality -- even though it had some bad apples. 2) [B] If both genders are supposed to be equal, how come in every Japanese train/subway there are one whole car reserved for woman? 1: This is a new thing to me. It appears that these cars are the result of rampant groping of women by men on Japanese subways [5]. Given that Japanese culture is extremely antifeminist, I think this is also a poor example -- the groping is a result of ongoing support of traditional gender roles, where women are submissive and must consent to sex. 2: Pro has yet to demonstrate that these train cars are a result of feminism. 2) [C] How come feminist Marilyn Frenc's quote saying all men are rapists are still such a popular ideology with feminists? 1: Is it? Consider, for example, a major feminist push to redefine rape in 2011, which ultimately changed the definition of rape from "vaginal penetration" to a much broader definition, which also now includes the rape of males, which previously was *not* rape, somehow [6]. 2) [D] How come Room to Read and many famous foundations alike only offer academic education to women and in fact have a ad saying "Transform a Girl's Life, send her to school" on the home page and noone says anything meanwhile boy only schools are considered sexist? (St. Mary's, classic example). 1: Such programs are being considered sexist, by people like you. The reason such programs were not considered sexist is that women had disproportionate educational disadvantages -- as the disadvantages disappear, statements like yours will become a majority. 2: Pro has yet to demonstrate that such programs are a result of feminism. 2) [E] How come the "sorry, it's a boy" commercial was passed on to the Superbowl and even considered "Not Sexist" and to date not a single person apologised? 1: Er. The commercial in question doesn't exactly paint the person who said "Sorry, it's a boy" in a positive light -- she's painted as a rich, stupid, arrogant person [7]. What's there to apologize for? 2) [F] I get it, you may think that these are just individual examples, and you may be right, however, without feminism this would be much harder to do. What I am insisting is that we simply drop feminism as an ideology in our world. 1: These things *might* be harder to do without feminism. But so would the ongoing liberation of women in actually-repressive third-world countries and the reduction of inequality in other nations. 2) [G] Or at least introduce some kind of Masculinism without being called sexist. 1: What does Pro mean by this? SUMMARY Feminism is still relevant, not least because of the gender gap. Feminism does not fit Pro's description. REFERENCES [1] bls.gov/cps/wlf-databook-2011.pdf (p. 52) [2] jec.senate.gov/public/?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9118a9ef-0771-4777-9c1f-8232fe70a45c (p. 9-11) [3] gender-competence.eu/files/IntConf/5.pdf (p. 6-7, 11) [4] http://www.debate.org... [5] https://en.wikipedia.org... [6] http://www.feminist.org...